Tuesday Skull Session

By Danny on January 24, 2012 at 6:00a
98 Comments

Good morning Buckeye faithful and welcome to your Tuesday Skull Session.

I'm just a college student, so when it comes to understanding the complexities of job interviews out in the real world, I'm clearly no expert. However, if someone brings you in for a second job interview, that probably means they have a genuine interest in you.

As we've all heard, former Buckeye Head Coach Jim Tressel interviewed for a second time for the Indianapolis Colts' vacant head coaching position. In my opinion, this has disaster written all over it for both parties.

Tressel has never held any higher position in the NFL than as a game day consultant for the Colts last season. A game day consultant who was suspended for six games earlier this year.

His experience in the NFL, which is a totally different game than college football, is minimal. If the Colts honestly decide to go with Tressel, he's going to need to surround himself with a premier coaching staff to help him learn from his mistakes and learn the nuances of playing pro football.

The decision is yours, Jim Irsay; make the right one.

MEYER ON PATERNO. It never gets easier thinking about the fact the Joe Paterno is gone. Fired just 10 days after his record 409th win, arguably the greatest coach in college football history lived his final days in shame after being ousted amid the Penn State sex-abuse scandal.

But if you ask Urban Meyer what he'll remember about Paterno, he would tell you about the mentor, friend, and coach. In a Cleveland Plain Dealer article, Meyer called Paterno "one of his closest friends" and that the greatest lesson he ever learned from Paterno was to "always do right." Meyer even went on to call Paterno the greatest head coach of all time.

It's certainly disturbing that a man of Paterno's stature had his legacy ruined by such a terrible scandal. Much like Woody Hayes is remembered as a great football coach who did great things for his community, people also still remember how he punched a player. People will always remember all the good Paterno has done, but people will remember why he was ousted just as well.

"I was a coach that really admired him and followed him," Meyer said to the Plain Dealer Sunday. "Any chance I had to visit with him, I'd wear him out with questions. I was always trying to learn from him."

THE NORTH WILL RISE AGAIN. Ohio State's DeVier Posey, Dan Herron, Mike Brewster, and Mike Adams will all be teammates for one last game, as they play together on the North Squad in the Senior Bowl.

According to ESPN's Adam Rittenberg, scouts will mainly be paying attention to Posey and Adams from this foursome. Posey, Rittenberg writes, needs to address concerns scouts have with his route running after missing nearly an entire season due to suspensions. Rittenberg suggests that Posey can be a second day pick in the NFL Draft if he lives up to his potential.

Rittenberg also suggests that Adams must show "toughness" and better "overall strength" if he expects to be selected on day two of the draft. While Adams is already an imposing figure at 6'7, 323 pounds, he must prove he can match up with bigger, faster linemen in the NFL after playing on a pretty mediocre OSU offensive line last season.

Herron and Brewster shouldn't be off anyone's radars either, as both played terrific last season under trying circumstances.

Jim Tressel trying to burn Jim Caldwell with his mind.

PSU LOSES JOE BUT GAINS THREE. Penn State has added three more verbal recruits to their recruiting class. One of them, Jonathan Warner, is the son of former Nittany Lion great, Curt Warner.

PSU's class hangs on pins and needles, as 16 of their recruits are verbal commitments. Only one, Jesse James, a tight end from South Allegheny, has enrolled at Penn State.

Ohio State recently picked up PSU recruit Carmen Williams and they are hoping to add his high school teammate and Nittany Lion verbal commitment, Armani Reeves. Reeves is looking at Michigan and OSU, but is scheduled to visit Penn State next weekend.

It's nice to see Penn State gain more recruits despite a scandal plagued offseason. While I do want to see Reeves in scarlet and grey next season, I do hope PSU is able to put together a decent class and restore their program in the coming years.

NAVY DOCKS IN THE BIG EAST. The Big East will announce today that Navy, a school that has played every year of its existence as an independent, will join the Big East for football, becoming the conference's 11th member.

While I'm still scratching my head as to why the Big East consists of schools like Boise State, Houston, and San Diego State, this move actually makes sense to me, at least geographically.

HOOPS THERE IT IS. Despite only playing one game last week against an overmatched Nebraska squad, Thad Matta's squad managed to sneak back into the top three in the coaches' poll.

The top five rounds out with #1 Kentucky, #2 Missouri, #4 Syracuse, and #5 Kansas.

The Buckeyes will face Penn State on Wednesday and will hopefully get a little bit of revenge against Michigan this Sunday.

LOS LINKS. Playoff talk? Yes, playoff talk... Joe Pa passing won't affect sex-abuse case... Honor guards for their former coach... Horford healthy for Purdue?... In honor of OSU playing Michigan this weekend.

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buckeyerishi02's picture

I think that Coach Tressels' coaching experience over a period of over 40 years or more might be just one of the reasons an owner, who by the way wouldn't just throw his money, is very interested in Tressel. Good Luck Coach Tressel.

BuckeyeJim's picture

I second that. Go JT. You paid your dues and I know you will do well. There were naysayers when he came to OSU and he proved them wrong. He is a winner.

Squirrel Master's picture

I agree. Also, I say he should coach the colts, draft andrew luck, trade Manning if they can for some picks or players, trade a 3-4 rounder to the Raiders (trust me they need them) for Terrelle Pryor and convince him the be a WR. then it will be decades of Luck tossing TDs to Pryor under Tressel. :)

but most likely will never happen! :(

 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

thatlillefty's picture

i'm guessing Tressel wants nothing to do with Pryor

but i still remember that TD catch in the '09 Fiesta Bowl vs. Texas... pretty sweet

cbusbuckeye's picture

I dont understand why trading manning is an idea people are so high on, can sOmeone explain please? It seems like a horrible idea to trade one of the best QBs of our generation and place the entire future of a franchise in the hands of an unproven QB....Ryan Leaf was supposed to be great too...am I the only one who thinks this way?

NeARBuckeye's picture

Ryan Leaf was a huge talent, but was a terrible teammate and had no work ethic. Peyton Manning had all of those traits, that's what differentiated them as QBs in my mind. Peyton is one of the best because he's coupled a tireless work ethic and natural talent.

Luck isn't a great prospect just because of his raw talent, but his mental capacity and work ethic. It's not everday you have a guy with that kind of athletic ability and was smart enough to study Architectural Engineering at Stanford.

Squirrel Master's picture

Times are different since Leaf. Teams don't look at just talent. I agree it would be stupid to just let Manning go. but they can't keep both of them. So what do you say they should do, keep Manning who they don't know can play more than 3 years if he is healthy or take a risk on the best QB talent probably since Manning for probably the next decade.

and I say trade Manning to his liking and at least get something out of it. everyone is saying they shouldn't do that and just cut him. Now that is crazy talk! pay the man and get something in return.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Nappy's picture

Why trade manning? $28,000,000.00.  As a Colts fan I don't want to see him playing for another team but no team can commit 50mil + to 2 QBs. 

Fan of bacon since 1981

awwwwwwop's picture

yea, but they shouldn't even pay him.  Why would you pick up 30 mil option if you dont even know if he will play.  And if you pick that up, nobody is going to want to trade for that kind of cap hit.  they need to just let him go.

"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch

Nappy's picture

I think that's exactly what will happen.  The only way to trade that contract is to agree to pay at least half of it and then you have to get fair value in return for your $14,000,000 but no team is going to send a 1st & 2nd (Carson Palmer deal) and invest $14 mil for a QB that may have 2-3 years left at best.  I think he becomes a FA and ends up in SF.

Fan of bacon since 1981

Squirrel Master's picture

I think he will end up getting cut but I don't agree with that. A) he has earned to get that money and traded B) I guarantee a team out there will take a flyer on him granted a clean bill of health. 2-3 years of an 80% Peyton is better than half of the QBs starting right now. I am a chiefs fan and I will take semi version of Peyton over Cassel any day. Minnesota would do it. Tennessee, Buffalo. Arizona would love to take back that Kolb trade and throw a 1st and that CB for Manning.  C) Carson Palmer isn't half the QB Peyton is and sat for almost half a season, and after a bad season before, and they got a 1st and 2nd. you don't think a team would use at least that for Peyton?

again, all this is based on Peyton getting a clean bill of health prior to the deadline for his contract being escalated. but the original question of why get rid of Peyton is easy to answer, Luck is good and much younger. Just gotta deal with it and let him go no matter how you do it. I'm sure it sucked when Favre left Green Bay but guess what, they have Rodgers now. Luck is a better prospect coming out of the draft by far!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Nappy's picture

Agree on a couple things. Disagree on others.  A) He has earned that money.  He's also earned the right to go where he chooses, not where he's traded. B) I think Peyton at 80% is better than almost everyone else.  C)  I think a team would give up a 1st and 2nd for him but not a 1st, a 2nd and $14 mil. 

I just hate to think I've seen him throw his last pass in a Colts uniform.  The guy turned this entire state from a basketball state to a football state.  He got a brand new stadium built that's about to host the Super Bowl and he brought a title to a franchise that had been on par with the Bungles. 

Luck is as close to a cant miss prospect as I can remember.  He's got everything you'd want in a QB and had success with lesser talent.  I hope Reggie Wayne stays but if Peyton leaves, I bet Reggie does too.

Fan of bacon since 1981

Hasbro's picture

Pardon my cynicism, but am I the only person questioning the timing of the Penn St. allegations? The news breaking a few days after Paterno breaks Eddie Robinson's record is merely coincidence? No one sat on the charges (or story) until then, knowing once the information became public that Paterno would never coach again?

 

Sorry. I'll go back to watching the Zapruder film.

Squirrel Master's picture

I question it but only in a different matter. It has already been released that they knew he was dealing with an illness and possible cancer when they released the statement that he has lung cancer. I think he knew and everyone knew he was not doing well and I think the scandal came out because they couldn't hold it back anymore. I think JoePa knew the end was near and wanted to make amends for the one thing he knew he was not proud of. Like all human beings, we make mistakes and live with them (some moreso than others) and when we know the time has come we like to make up for our wrongdoings, no matter how involved we were.

I think JoePa came to a point where he didn't care about his legacy anymore (although I personally feel his legacy is still great despite recent events) and just want to move on. How it was done and everything that happened I don't think anyone could have predicted the outcome. It is a horrible situation across the board and sad way for a great man to end things.

 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Hasbro's picture

I think JoePa knew the end was near and wanted to make amends for the one thing he knew he was not proud of.

Sources report that Sandusky was still permitted to use Penn St. facilities up to one week before this all broke (http://www.lostlettermen.com/11-7-2011-jerry-sandusky-penn-state/).

As much as many of us would like to soften the edges of this situation, especially in light of the fantastic impression Paterno made on so many people, this is a major, unignorable problem.

Squirrel Master's picture

absolutely. It is horrible and has been for far too long. I also think JoePa knew more than we are aware of. I just think it got to a point where he was just tired of covering it up and defending what he thought was the University (or whatever the real story is) and stepped to the side and let it play out. Eventually you just don't have it in you to continue doing what you know is wrong, and I would like to think that at the end he knew deep down that Sandusky should pay for his actions and was extremely guilty.

 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

buckeyeEddie27's picture

I hear ya hasbro,  when all this stuff started picking up steam my wife asked me one night what was going on and how joe paterno was involed.  As I explained she stopped me and asked "He just broke a record or somerthing didnt he?" I said yes, he did.  All time winningest coach ect. ect. she then said "isnt that a little convienent all this comes out after he got his record?" 

My wife doesnt follow college football, has no opinion of it and coulld frankly care less.  So her perspective is an interesting one.    

thought i'd share that.

 

......the truth is out there.

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

cronimi's picture

Not to feed the conspiracy theory, but the story broke last spring. I remember reading a Buckshot about it. I can't explain why it took seven months to get the nationwide coverage. I'm guessing it is based partly on the timing of the grand jury report and when they decided to arrest Sandusky, but it's hard to believe authorities had a good reason to sit tight and not arrest an (alleged) serial child rapist. Certainly, if the average Joe (no pun intended) was accused of what Sandusky allegedly did, there would have been a rush to incarcerate him (and likely would not have bothered with a grand jury).

buckeyedude's picture

 former Buckeye Head Coach Jim Tressel interviewed for a second time for the Indianapolis Colts' vacant head coaching position. In my opinion, this has disaster written all over it for both parties.

 He can't do any worse than some of the recent coaches for the Browns. I say "why not?" The man is a proven winner.

 

 

 

 
 

BuckeyeEd's picture

I, for one, will instantly become a huge Colts Fan. Not many men in the world I respect more than JT. He took the Fall for His Boys and the University. He will continue to win at any level.

ArTbkward's picture

The Colts will jump to my second favorite NFL team, behind the Brownies, if they hire Tress. 

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

Gotta love the Browns.... Rebuilding every year. Cleveland is just Holmgren's retirement play money, 5 years from now we'll be in the same position were in now. I'm so tired of it.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

superbuck's picture

This is just an opinion I feel Tress kept his mouth shut because it was a federal drug investigation and paid for it with his job. Were we playing guys with bad grades, not going to class, using steroids or performance drugs, using other schools stolen play books , NO We had a half a dozen guys selling the gold pants they earned, trading a signature for a tatt, blah blah,,, blah blah. This guy knows how to win. Leave him alone and let him go on with his life. Not one of his ex players have a bad thing to say about him. And as for the writer of the skull session today you sound like a michigan man. Our AD threw him under the bus.

OH-IO

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

The bottom line, Tressel made a bad decision - period!!!  He had the information, he knew he should have turned it over to the university, but decided instead to hide it.  Nobody threw Tressel under the bus, he put himself under it!  I am a big Vest fan but I will not ignore the fact that he made a very bad decision and he paid for it.  Having said that, I would love to see him try his hand at the NFL level since the NCAA made it impossible for him to come back to the college coaching ranks.  I think he will do very well at that level.

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

onetwentyeight's picture

Let it go, guys. Dear old Jimmay landed on his feet. Good for him. 

 

I'd also say we're doing quite well. 

Colin's picture

I found your opinion to be quite bold, Superbuck.

Denny's picture

Your comment really underlines the boldness of his opinion, Colin.

Taquitos.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

IF YOU GOT IT, FLAUNT IT!

Maestro's picture

huh, underlines, huh, huh

vacuuming sucks

NeARBuckeye's picture

I think it was missing a certain measure of subtlety.

NC_Buckeye's picture

I'm keeping my eye on you Colin. Not sure there's enough room in the 11W commentariat for another purveyor of dry sarcasm. lol

Colin's picture

It is subtle, sophisticated sarcasm of the highest quality.

buckeyedude's picture

AT LEAST HE WASN'T YELLING, COLIN!

 
 

Squirrel Master's picture

I think I am reading the skully different from you Superbuck. I think the writer is concerned about Tressel not succeeding and proving the naysayers right. I don't think it was meant to be any slight towards the senator himself.

but maybe I am wrong.

 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

buckeyerishi02's picture

+1. I will take Coach Tress's decision over another ex-coach's decision who put his program over the abuse that kids had to endure for a decade. It's funny how the media portrayed Coach Tressel as a lifelong liar, blah, blah and portrayed Paterno in a much better perspective when he should have been labeled an enabler of child abuse cuz he kept quiet for over a decade. Just my opinion. Also the writer is an unexperienced college student who has no knowledge of how much Coach Tressel volunteers his time for the military men and women, hospitals, communities, etc. I could go on but we lost more than a coach, we lost an honorable man who made a decision knowing the consequences in order to protect his players during an investigatioin. It's not like he was protecting a coach who was abusing kids or something. Just my opinion. GO BUCKS!!! O-H

BuckeyeMark's picture

I can't get enough of the Turner dagger shot on scUM.  The radio call from the scUM boys makes it even better: "Oh nooooooooooooooooooooooo!"

And I'm the only one who wonders what Matta is yelling at the scUM bench after the shot goes through?  Officially I think they said he was talking to the scoring table but it sure doesn't look like it it to me....

Buckeye Chuck's picture

 If the Colts honestly decide to go with Tressel, he's going to need to surround himself with a premier coaching staff to help him learn from his mistakes and learn the nuances of playing pro football.
 

"Andrew, this is Nick. Nick, Andrew."

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

cronimi's picture

LMmfAO!! I think the next sentence should be: "Nick is great at fetching coffee, Andrew. Tell him how you like it, and 2 times out of 10 you'll get it just that way."

superbuck's picture

Thanks for the support on my one cents worth. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BUCKS

OH-IO

NC_Buckeye's picture

So I was checking out BSD last night to read some of the comments about Paterno. One mentioned that it's hard to hate Ohio State after reading about Urban's respect for and praise of Paterno. To which another commentor replied to go look at the 11W comment threads on Paterno and your hate will return.

I want to remind 11W commentors to be respectful. A life has ended. Loved ones are left behind. A community has lost a patriarch. We don't have to look at Paterno thru rose-colored glasses or ignore the tortured lives of the JS victims. But we should be mindful of how our parents raised us.

/off my soapbox

Paterno's death has got me to reminiscing about Woody Hayes. I found a pretty cool re-post of a 1986 Columbus Monthly article (prior to his death). Did you know that Hayes went to Vietnam 4 times as part of the USO tours? Or that Hayes occasionally taught Military History classes at tOSU? Or that the National Security Studies Chair at the Mershon Center for International Security Studies was named in his honor because Hayes was an "active and astute observer of military history and national security." At the dedication in 2001, Anne Hayes said the chair would have been “beyond his wildest dreams.”

Also, didn't know that Hayes' undergraduate degrees were in English and History (Denison University). Or that he was fond of quoting Ralph Waldo Emerson.

Pam's picture

I did. Woody has an amazing legacy not just with Ohio St. but with CFB in general on and off the field as did Joe.  And like Joe, he ended his career with an awful episode.  Both mens contributions cannot be forgotten or understated, but their legacies must include how their careers ended. I keep reading about how Joe's legacy shouldn't be wiped out because of the scandal. No, it shouldn't anymore than Woody's should be, but it must be included. It is dishonest not to.

William's picture

I disagree. Paterno's should be wiped. Hayes didn't enable a child molester, Paterno did.

NW Buckeye's picture

In the light of the recent scandal it is easy to trash Paterno.  Yet, with all the negative crap there still is the fact that he was one hell of a coach.  Just ask Urban.  Time will tell just what will be his legacy.  There are lessons to be learned in life and perhaps the biggest lesson here is that no one should have the autonomy that Joe enjoyed at PSU.  But, was that Joe's fault or was it the fault of everyone so caught up in the success of the football team that they just let it happen?  To me, the scrutiny should be system wide there, but it should not diminish what the man was able to accomplish on the field of play.  Heck, we learned about the importance of checks and balances in our whole tat-gate debacle.  And, for us to take solace in the fact that it was dwarfed by the problems with Sandusky is not warranted.  Our program f'ed up.  Their program f'ed up.  Learn from it.  Do not give a coach, or for that matter any person in a position of authority at any University, the autonomy that was afforded Joe or Jim.  It is a formula for disaster. 

With that said, thanks for taking the time to look up the facts on Woody.  It's nice to see you referencing things that some of us experienced first hand.  He was an amazing coach and mentor. 

BrewstersMillions's picture

There is no counter-balancing act here for me. I just can't get over what he didn't do. Yes, Penn State as a whole is to blame. But their effective CEO was the face of the organization. Joe doesn't get a pass because everyone else at PSU botched this thing up. Joe, more than anyone else could have shut Sandusky out of Penn State and all things Nittany Lions and he didnt.

I won't let this get heated either, NW. As I said, I appriciate what you are saying but in my world Joe has done more harm than good in his life.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I totally agree!  Joe Pa chose to protect the PSU brand opposed to doing the right thing.  Yes, he did the minimum required and notified his boss of some inappropriate activity, washed his hands of it and any responsibility.  Had he made the same minimum effort as a coach - he would have been fired.  Had any of his players put forth the minimum required, they would have been benched.  Sorry, Joe Pa made a horrid decision and his reputation and legacy will be forever stained by it.  Given the hideous nature of what he covered up - the stain is deserved and earned.  I am certainly not discounting all of his accomplishments and good deeds, but I will certainly not give him a pass on his actions regarding the Sandusky scandal because of them.

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

Maestro's picture

echo, echo, echo all of above

vacuuming sucks

Sgt. Elias's picture

We're also seeing what happens to a cult of personality when the godhead screws up royally (and subsequently dies, double whammy). Chaos and sadness reigns amongst the masses because the institution was the man in so many regards. It's a cautionary tale in its most obvious form.   

That said, go easy on the Nits. Yeah they're mostly assholes but the feeling is mutual and part of college foobaw. Take the high road on this one Bucks. A man has died, during their mourning it's best to hold one's tongue (unless you were raised wrong, then by all means hurl barbs at a dead man)*. Let PSU deal with their grief and reconstruction. We should stay out of it (accept when we gank their recruits).  Pretty sure Joe went to his maker/void/valhalla/detroit with that pile of regret weighing heavier on his shoulders than any words an opposing fanbase or media outlet could ever offer. /JMHO

 

*Offer does not apply to Sandusky. Ever. Offer also does not apply to espin commentariat: were trolls are conceived.

 

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

ArTbkward's picture

I knew all of that.  If you're interested in Woody history, get War as They Knew It from your local library, don't buy it though.  Go read some of the Amazon reviews if you want to know why you should borrow rather than buy it, but it truly is an amazing read for any OSU or scUM fan.

I'm not old enough to have ever seen Woody coach a game, nor to even remember him alive, so reading something like that book helped fill in a lot of gaps that I had about his life and coaching tenure.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

NC_Buckeye's picture

Hey Art. Does the fact that Woody grew up in Newcomerstown make you feel a connection to him? That's your neck of the woods, right?

ArTbkward's picture

A little, it was right down the road after all.  The McDonald's in Newcomerstown, right off I-77, has a bunch of Woody Hayes and Cy Young (also from there) memorabilia in the restaurant.  There is/was a big picture of Woody, Archie and someone else by the bathrooms, I can remember being a little kid and asking my dad who those men were and why their picture was on the wall.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

DarthSweaterVest's picture

He also refused raises many times as he thought a coach shouldn't get paid crazy amounts of money.  He would also visit people in the hospital and talk to them for hours.  He was a bit crazy on the gridiron but off of it he was a great man.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

what is the image you use?  looks like Red Tornado holding an invisible shield or something

DarthSweaterVest's picture

It is my Halloween costume from this past year, Captain Buckeye

 

DarthSweaterVest's picture

There is also Military Captain Buckeye

Squirrel Master's picture

Dude, you are skinny! lol

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

DarthSweaterVest's picture

Yeah, almost 6' 2" and 155 pounds. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

When you're wearing these outfits, how do you see?

DarthSweaterVest's picture

You can see through a morph suit, not great, wouldn't drive in it, but enough to get by for trick or treating, etc.  Can actually drink through them as well.  Going to the bathroom is an adventure, as you have to strip to the waist.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Nice. Are the battle scars on the shield on purpose?

DarthSweaterVest's picture

The shield I could find was a Spartan shield, 300 style, so I went with the battle scars, thought they looked pretty cool.  Had to paint it silver.

buckeyedude's picture

I remember reading that he taught military history. Was Woody a WWII or Korean War vet?

 
 

ArTbkward's picture

Yes, Lieutenant Commander in the Navy during WW2.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...
(Also, I'm not a dude)

BuckeyeNation's picture

Harbaugh didn't have any NFL coaching experience either, and, well.... look how that turned out!

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Jimmy T didn't have any big time college football coaching experience either!  I remember saying Jim Tressel, Who the f@#$ is Jim Tressel, when they first announced his hiring.

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

causeicouldntgo43's picture

I think Tress would do quite well as an NFL coach, perhaps even better than a college coach. Reasons?

1) He's a "CEO" type of coach - very organizational oriented, sees the big picture, demands excellence out of all facets of the organization.

2) Pretty damn good at evaluating talent

3) Knows how to prepare a team for big games (I know he didn't always win them - but that's another story)

4) Had a weakness in trusting 18 -21 year olds too much - one could even say he was a bit naiive in this regard. He would be better with players who are a bit older and more mature as in the NFL - guys that don't need a babysitter or thier hands held.

5) His style of offense and philosophies translate better to the NFL game versus the more creative college environment we see today.

Of course, he must pick excellent assistant coaches and not fall into any traps of going for loyal retreads like Siciiliano, etc. This is a BIG issue for him as I feel it hurt him at OSU (Bollman). He may also want to give up an active OC role as well. However, that said, Heacock wouldn't be a bad choice as a DC....

Squirrel Master's picture

two concerns I do have are the trusting players. yes 18-21 year olds do try to get away with things but come on, NFL players are no better. they big difference is when they do something stupid off the field, the team is held less accountable.

secondly, please oh please don't let him bring along Bollhog! I don't think Tressel's career can handle anymore coaching by that man. Bollman is the Yoko ono of OSU football. :(

 

 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Maestro's picture

I think we tend to over-analyze this kind of stuff.  The guy is a winner and a tremendous leader.  Those types of people usually succeed.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

NC, I appriciate just about every contriubution you make to an 11W discussion. I won't dive into my burning hatred for Paterno or the confused\head-in-the-sand feelings of the PSU fan base but I will just say that I disagree completley about how Paterno should be looked at. I don't think dancing on a grave is the right thing to do but I will look at Paterno for what he DIDNT do for years. Not what he DID do for years. I can't get over the notion that Joe Pa made one mistake. He didn't. He made a series of them. Once it was reported and Sandusky was still allowed access to PSU, everyone in the know should have done something when they saw this guy in and around PSU for years after these things surfaced. Joe, the one who had more power than anyone, did nothing. I will continue to hold him in the lowest regard possible. I won't revel in his death. I won't mourn it either.

 

/steps down from soap box.

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NC_Buckeye's picture

Brewster, I agree with much of what you say. My point is that maybe now is a time for letting people grieve without picking at the wound.

BrewstersMillions's picture

I can get on board with that. I won't tolerate hero worship of the man but I do like your 'picking at the wound' comment.

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Seabass1974's picture

I think Tress will do about as good as Marty Schottenhiemer.

The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender. - Woody Hayes

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I have been saying the same thing!  And I mean what he mostly did with the Chargers, not the Browns.  The only thing in Tress's way is the GM and owner.  As long as they don't pull a Chargers and trade away Drew f'ing Brees (Payton Manning) they'll be cool.

zbd's picture

I can't see how Tressel would turn the Colts around. No experience with grown men. No tattoo parlors in Indianapolis.  Posey will play in the NFL but not fat, lazy, spoiled Mike Adams. It seems JoePa and Woody had similar endings to their careers.  Many athletes and coaches stay around too long.

NeARBuckeye's picture

Fat, lazy, spoiled Mike Adams is dominating at Senior Bowl practices.

Squirrel Master's picture

uh, posey is not even on mock drafts today. Mike Adams is a 1st or 2nd rounder in each and everyone of them. teams draft 6'7'' 300lb OL no matter how good they are. its like the 7' center in the NBA. he will get drafted, how good he will be is a totally different conversation!

 

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Mike Adams: 1st round body + 4th round intangibles = early-to-mid 2nd round draft choice.

Sgt. Elias's picture

You can not equivocate a falcon neck-punch on a Clemson player with enabling child rape. That dog don't hunt in these parts. Hopefully that's not what you meant.

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

Squirrel Master's picture

I think he is referring to the quick ending to a long career. not so much the acts involved.

and what Woody did I as an OSU fan still love. maybe I am wrong but I am proud of my team having that history probably just as much as any Indiana fan is of Bobby Knight for the crazy shit he did.

 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

NW Buckeye's picture

And, Woody had the opportunity to resign.  When Hugh (AD) suggested it, Woody said something along the lines of no, I don't deserve that - you need to fire me - that is what I deserve.  Joe Pa never understood the need to appear in front of the board and issue the same type of request.  His "retire at the end of the season" stance trivialized the situation too much and he had to be fired.  Regardless of how you feel about his career, the board of trustees had no choice but to fire him when he chose that path. 

So, yes, both careers ended tragically, but just like you are saying, that is the end of any similarities.  Woody knew and admitted he f'ed up.  JoePa not so much. 

BrewstersMillions's picture

Bears fans take note. They should have their eye on Adams. They need help at LT and I think Adams gets you value in 2nd or 3rd round. I don't think he jumps into the first but my lord I would kick a fire hydrant I'd be so happy if the Bears landed him.

Local sports radio has a correspondent down there and he (Adams) is one of the guys jumping off the tape, so to speak.

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Nappy's picture

Maybe this is a good example of what a solid O-line coach can do with talent.

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Squirrel Master's picture

I read alot of Mock drafts and draft board stuff. alot of people think Mike Adams would make a better RT than LT. Adams is a better run blocker and has trouble with quick pass-rushers. He might not be the best solution for Chicago on the left side. but I would defintely take him in the draft. not to many players have his talent. and maybe he can be taught how to man the left side. just as of right now, the "experts" say he is a better RT.

 

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BrewstersMillions's picture

I'd like to see what Mike Tice can do with a guy like Adams. The potential of Adams and Carimi on either end of the line has this Bears fan saying "YES!"

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thorvath22's picture

I was skeptical as to if Tressel can control the NFL players with his parent style coaching...he always kind of was more of a father figure style coach....but then I was watching the giants coach and I could see similarities, except I think JT might be more fiery, I think Tressel could coach in the nfl given the appropriate staff and players and if peyton manning is there I think he can make them successful, tressel was always a versatile coach who could coach according to the talent and that is what you need to be to be successful in the nfl.

GlueFingers Lavelli's picture

Tress will be HC in Indy, Peyton Manning will be OC and HC in waiting. Peyton is too competitive to leave the NFL.

Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.

William's picture

I think making Manning the OC/QB coach would be a great move by the Colts.

a9entsmith's picture

 

Tress will be a fantastic coach wherever he goes. Dude could coach the frickin Crew to an MLS cup. Danny = fake buckeye

 

Bucks43201's picture

+ 1

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

Baroclinicity's picture

-1. 

A little harsh in regards to the author. 

Maestro's picture

-11 might be in order Bar.

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a9entsmith's picture

Eh I was mostly joking...what with the ridiculous (imo) TP tweet as my insult. Although I readily admit that just about the only thing I'd get into a bar fight over is Jim Tressel. I was lucky enough to meet the man several times during his ten year tenure and he solidly won me over with his actions. And I'm not talking about the shows that every coach puts on (charities, hopsital visits, etc), I'm talking the little things...How many D-1 coaches do you think hold the door for grad assistants and visitors?

NC_Buckeye's picture

Does every coach do the charities, hospital visits, warm fuzzy stuff (wfs)? I wonder.

Do we know what is the goto wfs for Hoke? How about Brian Kelly? Saban? Oooh, I want to know what Pelini's wfs events are. NPR fundraiser, maybe? [Pelini screaming on telephone: You can do better $50. I putting you down for $250. That's less than a dollar a day for chrissakes!]

Buckeye_Mafia's picture

Do the Colts have a blue sweatervest they can give to Tressel?

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stantmann's picture

Why would you say it has disaster written all over it? I mean, you only need to look at Jim Harbaugh to know this can be done, especailly considering, Harbaugh played tresselball too

Bucks43201's picture

"Tresselball" -- (stout defense, strong special teams, emphasis on field position, and solid QB play) would translate just fine to the NFL.

Tressel is better than 1/2 the coaches in the NFL and he's yet to coach a game in league.

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

tampa buckeye's picture

impression of a sec recruit committing....da b takin muy talent to uuuh fddoooball aat lsu mang.  (hat sideways)