Friday Skull Session

By Elika on January 13, 2012 at 6:18a

This is typically my least favorite time of year. The transition from "Is it Saturday yet?" to "Is it September yet?" always gets to me. In fact, having spent 89% of my life in a place where it's pretty much always 74º and sunny, the annual conclusion of college football season is the sole reason I even remotely understand the pain of Seasonal Affective Disorder.

Admittedly, I haven't quite yet figured out what to expect of this particular off-season. The last six years had allowed the euphoria of a 10+ (or 12*) win season to linger well into January; and, while that was nice... somehow being sandwiched between the extreme delight of one amazing season and the promising possibilities of topping it the next season, held this indescribable bittersweetness.

Coming off a losing season, particularly one with one of the more anticlimactic endings I've ever seen, and the promise of what could potentially be an amazing, yet ultimately unfulfilling, season... this is uncharted territory. Regardless... is it September yet?

 MEET THE COACHES. Urban Meyer and his new coaching staff met with the media for the first time as a group on Thursday. As Meyer himself always points out, and did so again yesterday, football is an evaluative process, and only time will tell what kind of a job he's done in his quest to assemble the best coaching staff in the country. That said, Thursday's presser was full of exciting tidbits, which should get all Buckeyes excited for this new era in Ohio State Football.

New offensive coordinator and QB coach Tom Herman had a chance to talk about his offensive philosophies and Braxton Miller. It was noted on Thursday that while Meyer will hold veto power, Herman will be calling the plays on gamedays. Meyer has always made a point of mentioning the importance of hiring a staff that shares the same philosophies as he does, in regards to moving the ball. With defenses having caught on to the spread of the past, Herman mentioned the importance of offenses learning to adapt with the times while keeping with "Ohio State's way." Herman also had great things to say about Braxton Miller, and mentioned that they have discussed his leadership role on the team.

Joining Herman will be Ed Warinner, one of the most recent additions to the staff, from Notre Dame, who will serve as a co-offensive coordinator and an OL coach. Warinner and Hinton (who will be the TE and FB coach) are praised as being among the best assistants that Kelly had at Notre Dame, particularly when it came to recruiting.

Everett Withers, who will serve as the co-defensive coordinator, assistant head coach, and safeties coach, reiterated the running theme of common philosophies among the coaching staff. He referred frequently to the good fit that he and Luke Fickell share, both in personality and philosophy. Withers touched on the importance of playing strong in the red zone, not turning the ball over, preventing big plays and stopping the run. He also mentioned that the team will be using hybrid defenses, with 3 or 4 down linemen.

Mickey Marotti, who Urban Meyer has always credited much of his success to also spoke, and seemed very pumped for what's ahead. For anyone who is familiar with the stories of both Meyer and Marotti, and the conditioning their teams have gone through, this is likely both good and bad news for the team, but great for Buckeye fans, who will likely be seeing a team that looks better than what they have in the past.

Marotti discussed the complete overhaul that every team goes through in January, and how this is no different. For anyone who may have been worried about how Meyer will be able to hold up, against the pressures of the job, Marotti also talked about how he's noticed a change in Urban Meyer, that he thinks that the one year hiatus served him well, and that he looks better than ever. Meyer echoed that by saying he feels as good as he has in "many, many years."

In addition to reiterating the importance of the sharing football philosophies with his coaches, and that only time will tell how great this staff is, Meyer made some other comments as well. He was asked about recruiting, and said that at this point he feels "good, not great," that the next couple weeks will be big. He talked about having to explain to recruits about the final ruling by the NCAA, and the bowl ban that will go into effect next year. He briefly discussed how much he loves recruiting, and great football players. 

Meyer also talked about his previous control over special teams, and how that will continue at Ohio State. He said he might give someone a title that relates to special teams, however, that won't occur until after spring practice. 

While the team has already started workouts, Meyer mentioned that he still doesn't know much of the team. He said he's trying to grab whoever he can to get to know him, saying again that he hasn't paid too much attention to what the players have done in the past. He looked particularly intrigued to see how the guys look in the weight room. He said his practice style will be the same as it has been in years past, given questions around the publicity of his desire to focus on health and family. What will be different will be his approach and his management style. His goal is to "keep it centerfield" and allow his staff to do what they should be doing, implying he needs to micromanage less than he has in the past, and not focus on "stuff." It will be interesting to watch, considering that Meyer himself mentioned that he is practically starting from scratch with this offensive coaching staff.

MEET THE ACTUAL NEW TWITTER POLICY, IN LESS THAN 140 CHARACTERS. The players actually are allowed to tweet, BUT not about the team. If they tweet about the team, they probably won't be tweeting anymore.

MEET THE PLAYERS. Six of the newest additions to Ohio State's 2012 football team decided to get a head start on becoming your favorite Buckeye, by graduating early and heading to Ohio State for the winter quarter.

OL Jacoby Boren, RB Bri'onte Dunn, QB Cardale Jones, LB Joshua Perry, DB Tyvis Powell and WR Michael Thomas are now enrolled in classes on campus, and participating in the conditioning drills that began this week at the Woody. The new group of players all seemed to be motivated to get to campus early for both academic and athletic purposes, knowing that they would be able to get a head start on adjusting to college life, their course load and, of course, Marotti's workouts. 

As an added benefit, the guys are also learning what it means to be a part of the Buckeye family, as Michael Thomas pointed out, "There are guys... all around who are willing to help you and give you a hand. There always seems to be a guy to call if you need an answer to this or help with that. It really helps in getting a head start and getting adjusted."

While Ohio State has had recruits decide to enroll early in the past, a group of six is one of the biggest the program has seen, growing from five the previous year, and three the year before that.

Tyvis Powell's blogs have already made him a fan favorite.

JOHN COOPER'S FOOT, MEET JOHN COOPER'S MOUTH. You could insert a number of different cliches here... something about pots and kettles, or people in glass houses and stones. Either way, John Cooper channeled his inner E. Gordon Gee on Tuesday during an interview with 92.3 The Fan. When asked about the recent firing of Jim Tressel, as well as his NCAA violations, Cooper chose to take the finger-pointing route... pointing straight down south to the Southeastern Conference.

"I'm told, I don't know and I haven't coached in that league, but I'm told that down south the Alabamas and LSUs and some of these teams that have these great players, that maybe the NCAA needs to look into their situation. Those teams have been on probation," Cooper said. "As you know, Alabama's certainly one of the most penalized teams in college football, as is the Southeastern Conference. We say the SEC's the best and they are the best, but they've also had more NCAA violations than probably all the other leagues put together the last 10 years." 

Here's a new cliche for Gee and Coop: A closed mouth gathers no feet.

MEET MORE PLAYOFF TALK. NCAA President Mark Emmert gave his annual state of the association speech in Indy on Thursday. Of particular interest to the college football fanatical masses who have been clamoring for a playoff, would be his comments regarding a "Final Four approach," which Emmert said he would be open to. 

Emmert gave his thoughts on the typical 16-team playoff idea that many have tossed around saying, "Moving toward a 16-team playoff is highly problematic because I think that's too much to ask a young man's body to do. It's too many games, it intrudes into the school year and, of course, it would probably necessitate a complete end to the bowl system that so many people like now." 

While many vocal dissenters of the current system were probably left wondering who these many people are that like the current bowl system so much, Emmert did say he sees many ways a four team playoff system could work. Even more notably, Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany said he would consider it as well, saying that even though a few years ago several of the commissioners weren't open to the idea, "now we all want to have the conversation."

MEET YOUR LINKS FOR THE DAY. Ohio State kind of catches a break... A little treauxlling... The man is a genius... I'm wondering when I won't have to hear this last name anymore... The sports world needs more moments like this.


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Buckeye06's picture

I'll be interested at the impact Michael Thomas can make now; if he legit is 6'3'' hopefully he can be an instant long as he can catch the ball.  That has been the problem for a few of our wideouts recently.

I think Dunn obviously has a shot but he'll start behind hall, hyde, and smith likely since he won't know the blitz schemes etc. 

And it seems Boren will have to be in the 2 deep withour OL depth

carence's picture

You bring up an interesting point Buckeye06. I would love to see TY Williams get his skills up because he would be a mismatch for anyone. When he was in high school, he was listed at 6'7 but then I've seen 6'6, 6'5. Either way, that's still big.

cplunk's picture

It is a new offense with different offensive line play- I'm not sure Hall, Hyde, or Smith know the blitz schemes yet either

thorvath22's picture

Cooper is most likely right...something isn't right down south

Larryp713's picture

Cooper may or may not be right, but until something is proven, it is pointless to talk about, and actually sounds petty. Better to acknowledge what went on here (which was way overblown) and try to not have it repeated. When these other programs get busted, and they will because I am sure Tuscalusa and Baton Rouge have their share of rich sycaphants who want to be chummy with the jocks, we will be able to laugh at them stammer and drawl their banal excuses.

Frankly, if the violation does not provide a competitive advantage to the school in recruiting or retaining players, the player alone should be punished. If there is gross negligence, punish the coach. Bowl and post season bans applied after the offending players have graduated, and the coaches are gone, is unjust.



btalbert25's picture

Plus, there are rumors that old Coop's teams weren't exactly clean.  I don't think he was able to land so many unbelievable recruits just because they loved Ohio State and Cooper. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

This is what I'm talking about, Albert. If you believe that Auburn = Ohio State, how do you maintain that special place in your heart for The Ohio State University?

No question, Ohio State is a "football factory." But some football factories at least try to comply with the goofy NCAA rules, while others "came to peace" with the idea that they were not going to comply with the goofy NCAA rules and that, by being honest with themselves, they'd be much more adept at skirting those rules, because they could plan accordingly, figure out more effective means of disguising payments, etc.

Absolutely, Coopers teams weren't exactly clean, but what proof do you have that he was able to land recruits by illegal means? I don't believe that. Now, were some of those athletes offered generous summer job opportunities, etc.? Perhaps, but the compliance department made every effort to avoid any irregularities. Sometimes the compliance department, coaches, and others responsible for ensuring NCAA compliance simply fail - they're human and its beyond their capacities to plug every leak.

But if you believe that everyone is equal, ethically speaking, because everyone is imperfect, then why have any standards at all?

btalbert25's picture

Well, actually looking at what Cooper said, he didn't actually mention recruiting, that was just my assumption.  SO maybe he did or didn't illegally recruit, but I'm read, from a Cooper player, that improper benefits were commonplace during Cooper's tenure and what was going on at Ohio State was going on pretty much everywhere.  Has Ohio State ever offered a player 180,000 dollars?  I don't know that to be fact, but do I think that Ohio State has used some of the same less than moral tactics like getting recruits laid, drunk/high, and boosters giving loaded handshakes, absolutely I believe that.  Do I believe Cooper himself offered guys money etc to come play at Ohio State?  No, but I don't believe Nick Saban or Gene Chizik themselves have ever offered players money, it's too easy to let boosters do the dirty work so coach's can claim they have no idea what's going on.

nickma71's picture

"No question, Ohio State is a "football factory." But some football factories at least try to comply with the goofy NCAA rules, while others "came to peace" with the idea that they were not going to comply with the goofy NCAA rules and that, by being honest with themselves"


I have to say, Devier Posey dropping passes always annoyed me. However, him playing his senior season and finishing school showed me a lot. He is a real human being. I don't see anything like that happening at most schools. And his mom saying he came to Ohio State to come to a great school, not just play football. That isn't an SEC trait.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

It's not pointless for Cooper to talk about these issues, although he discussed them in an awkward, imprecise way. One problem is, that the shenanigans down south won't be proven in large part because they've gotten much better at cheating (e.g., Auburn). Meanwhile, the football factories that are actually trying to comply with NCAA rules (like Ohio State) get hammered by the NCAA and the media hacks.  

So, Cooper simply raising the issue is healthy, IMO. It muddies the waters. The media pick up the story to poke fun at ole' Cooper, but in the process they're also spreading the message that SEC = dirty. In politics, they'd refer to someone like Cooper as a "proxy" - i.e., he doesn't work for Ohio State University, so he has more latitude to go on the attack, and the attack is not directly traceable to the university.

Just yesterday, I heard a radio guy, who is normally sensible, kept repeating (in the course of maybe a three minute radio segment) that JT was the "disgraced" former coach of Ohio State. He wasn't disgraced in my book, but the idea of whether a public figure has been disgraced is largely like a popularity contest. If the public perceives him to have been acted dishonorably, then he will become generally disapproved of; therefore he is "disgraced." Okay, but that only happened in response to the ridiculous media feeding frenzy, which hammered away with the message that JT was a dispicable cheat, etc., a message which then bounced around the echo chamber for months until it became the conventional wisdom, especially among people who'd always been either ambivalent about Ohio State or outright hated the institution.

Apparently, we're supposed to take that disgusting charade while sitting down, or else we're "whining." We're also whining, however, if we try to fire-up our own mobs. Damned if we do, damned if don't.   

acBuckeye's picture

Cooper speaks the truth.

Colin's picture

I have a class with Dunn, it's an art elective. Actually, there are a bunch of players in there, Curtis Grant, Carter, Steve Miller, Evan Spencer, Crowell... There are also many fine looking women in that class, so I'm pretty pleased about this one.

johnblairgobucks's picture

fine looking women in art class.....ah, the college days.  Focus young man. 

OSUNeedles's picture

I do miss the first day of classes... The excitement of deciding which girl I would obsess about for the entire quarter, but never actually talk to... Ah, memories!

RoweTrain's picture

Anyone else think Powell looks like Adrian Peterson?  Hopefully he'll be a superstar just like him albeit at a different position.

"Just bow up and go out and play." ~ D. Lee

"As it stands right now, I know I am the best athlete in college football." ~ B. Miller

flipbuckeye's picture

yo Adrian Peterson lookin ass

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Yeeesh - this is going to be a very very long off season!  Stories like this have me totally stoked to get started with this year's season - then you realize it is only January!  I love hearing what is coming out of Ohio State right now!! The players are pumped, the coaches are fired up, and the buzz about OSU is electric, even with the punch in the groin we got from the NCAA!  I especially cannot wait to get some payback on the Ann Arbor Community College this year!!!  Denard is going to have a really bad day - I can't think of a better graduation present than a total humiliating beat down by the Buckeyes!!!

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btalbert25's picture

You know what I'm excited to see?  A team play with a killer instinct.  JT's team never had the kill in them.  These guys are going to play intense and mean football and I for one am really excited to see it.  They may not always win, but I have a feeling they'll almost always be entertaining to watch. 

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Ole time Woody Hayes football!!!  Eviscerate each opponent to a point that your reputation for doing so gives you an immediate advantage before the 1st snap.  Teams playing OSU during that era knew they were going to lose before they tied their cleats.  I cannot wait for that killer instinct, physically and mentally superior, domination minded team attitude to be on display.

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

btalbert25's picture

I call it playing Angry football.  Hit that guy like  he stole from ya lol.  I don't mean it to sound out of control and without discipline, just want them to be a mean nasty bunch that teams fear playing.  If you get up by 3 or 4 TD's in a BCS game, continue to pound the other team into submission.

I want teams to see film while doing scouting reports and think, man these guys are nasty.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree, but would like to see angry-Urban football, not angry Dantonio-football. I still want paybacks from MSU's last visit to the 'Shoe - not for losing so much as because of how chippy was MSU.

btalbert25's picture

Fido, I completely agree.  I want the guys to hit hard, but not dirty.  That said, hitting hard you probably will draw some flags once in a while, but as long as they stem from a guy being agressive and not taking a cheap shot I'm ok with that.  Be agressive, knock a guy into next week, but do it  out of intensity, not poor sportsmanship.


ArTbkward's picture

I completely disagree that teams- unless they're scUM- should be "pounded into submission" once the opposing team is up 3 or 4 TD's.  Pull your starters, no need to risk injury and let the other guys get some playing time, which may prove to be valuable down the road.

Not to mention I think doing that is bad karma.  Wisky beating Austin Peay 70-3 last year is absurd, they beat N'western 70-23 too.  The very next year they lose to a hail mary and to a 6-7 OSU and in a very close Rose Bowl.  Karma? Maybe, maybe not but it's not worth it in my opinion.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree about pulling starters when the outcome is no longer in doubt. That said, killer instinct doesn't necessarily mean running-up-the-score by keeping starters in too long.

Killer instinct is also about, say, driving the dagger home when you're up 21 points early in the 3Q and the game isn't yet completely decided - the odds are you'll win that game, but why take any chances? No mercy.

Also, when the 2nd and 3rd stringers do come into the game, the coaching staff cares much less about the other teams' feelings and more about making his team better. Short of throwing a bomb with 8 seconds left in the game, allow the backups to go out there and have fun, not show any mercy, either.  

Irricoir's picture

I agree and disagree. If you can easily tell that your opponent is overmatched and you are up by 4tds then I say you put the back ups in as you suggest. But never and I mean never, stall your own team for the sake of taking it easy on the other guy. I don't want my back ups getting less than optimal play calling. If they get plays called that are destined for failure then you precondition their minds toward a route of failure. I want my system to work as well for the back ups as it does the starters. I want them to establish confidence not just in them selves but in the things they are asked to do by their coaches. You perform the way you practice and perfect practice makes for perfect results. That's what garbage time is, right? Practice. 

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I'm all for pulling the starters after you're up by a bunch - however, I want the 2nd and 3rd stringers to run a normal offense and get valuable and meaningful playing time - not just running three boring up the middle dives and punt.  As Urban once stated - it is not my job to stop my own team from scoring - that is up to the defense.

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

ArTbkward's picture

I would agree with you all that 2nd and 3rd stringers should get optimal play calling rather than Walrusball calls.  They need to be able to effectively run the plays in case the starting QB goes out in the 3rd quarter against Nebraska.... oh wait...

As someone said, some discretion should be used.  Certainly no hail mary's in the final seconds or anything.  I've seen games where the QB would basically have to take a knee to not score so I understand high scores will sometimes happen but I think it should be handled in the most dignified way possible.  Not in a rushing-the-last-drive-so-we-beat-the-spread kind of way.

We should strive to keep thy name, of fair repute and spotless fame...

(Also, I'm not a dude)

btalbert25's picture

You can keep starters in longer than the first half and still play with sportsmanship.  I'm not advocating lining your guys up and throwing 40 yard passes against a team when you are up by 30  points.  I'm advocating beating a team into submission before you decide to quit playing.  I've never understood being up by 21, pulling your starters and playing a super conservative style for half the game.

Keep your starters in, get the kill, bring in backups and keep playing agressive football.  That doesn't mean drop back and launch passes, or going for 2 or blitzing the crap out of the other team, it just means win, win big, and keep playing the entire game.

You can put 70 up on a team and still maintain sportsmanship in my opinion.  I was on a basketball team where we 1 by 70 points.  We had to pass the ball 15 times before shooting once we got up by 40 points, and we still scored over 90 points.  Anyway, I just think it's much more valuable for the team to always have an intense aggressive mindset.  Go for the kill and keep heat on the other team.

cplunk's picture

I want our backups to be good enough and have enough killer instinct that the score still gets runs up.

nickma71's picture

I am all for Cooper saying it publicly. Two sets of rules does make competing tough. But it can be done. The first half against Arkansas is how things should have been all along. Arm chair time. OSU was better than Florida. LSU, not so much. But the LSU game was still very winnable.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

As you suggest, select B1G schools can compete with the top schools in the SEC, but it makes it tougher. 

When Ohio State has a coach the caliber of JT or Urban Meyer, the program can pretty much lock-down the top recruits from talent-rich Ohio, while mixing-in other studs from other states. Some kids/parents will turn down the little extra "sweetener" from a school like Auburn for the opportunity to attend a much better school like Ohio State.

Overall, though, the SEC has a working advantage: a very strong base of recuits from the region + the off-the-book resources to land top recruits from inside and outside that region.

poop's picture

Florida wasn't ~4 touchdowns better than us but they were better. Our defense suuuucked that year.

Elika's picture

I didn't hear anyone whining when the rest of the B1G got to keep their OSU bowl money from the vacated Sugar Bowl...

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Buckeye_Mafia's picture

I don't get the 4 team playoff.  Its not enough IMHO.  I think a 8 to 16 team playoff would be fine.  Or maybe just a playoff with the top 10 in the BCS standings.  That would still leave all the other bowl games for every one else AND the BCS games could be the playoff sites with a NCG.

"At critical moments throughout the season, we learned about the character of this football team.  This was a team of true character, of true resilience." -- President Barack Obama

btalbert25's picture

On one side, the 4 is going to remedy some of the controversy but it will cause more in other cases.  I heard Cowherd talking about it today and like he said USC is going to be good, Urban Meyer is typically going to have 1 loss at Ohio State, there won't be many 2-4 loss seasons.  How are you going to tell 1 loss Ohio State at number 5 they don't belong?  I honestly feel like 8-12 is ideal.  Get outside of those, and even in that range and you probably don't have much of a right to complain.  No doubt people still will complain, but there's not 1 system anyone can come up with that would keep teams from pissing and moaning about being slighted.

Squirrel Master's picture

I like how everyone is saying to do a playoff it would have to end the bowls. I don't think so. just like the BCS, designate certain bowls as certain levels in the playoff mode. and also by doing that you can hold them during the same bowl season and have 3 weeks of a playoff. The MNC is played so late into January as it is. I don't see how a playoff can fall any later into the year.

how about this:

week 1 - quarters

1 vs 8 - Fiesta bowl

2 vs 7 - Orange bowl

3 vs 6 - Cotton bowl

4 vs 5 - Gator bowl

week 2 - semis

1/8 vs 4/5 - Rose Bowl

2/7 vs 3/6 - Sugar bowl

National Championship

the bowls still happen and the NCAA can actually make more money on this because now there are 6 significant bowls and the MNC than 4 and MNC. and you can rotate the bowls each year like they do now with the MNC.

I saw a UFO told me to have a goodyear!

btalbert25's picture

Even if it did  ruin the bowls, so what? They have pretty much outgrown their usefulness now anyway to everyone but the bowls who make a ton of money, the tv networks who make a ton of money, and the conferences who make money off of them. The kids like them because they get a trip to Florida and a bag full of improper benefits that would get them suspended the rest of the year.

Viewership is down, and it's probably because people don't want to watch the 3rd place team in the MAC playing the WAC 2nd place team, or power house programs like Florida and Ohio State playing in a year where both teams were really bad.  Then there are  BCS matchups where 5 teams rated 10th or lower competed.  Let's not forget the 1 game that is supposed to be meaningful having the lowest ratings ever.

The bowls are just meaningless now.  A team used to earn it's right to play in one.  Now you can finish in the bottom 3rd of a conference a get a bid.  The BCS was a joke this year too.  There were 2 good marquis matchups in the bowl portion.  Rose and Fiesta Bowls.  The others gave us 2nd tier teams battling it out.  There were some exicting games along the way but most of the football played by the 70 teams or so that made a bowl game this year was garbage.


Squirrel Master's picture

well basically I am just pointing out that if the excuse for not holding a playoff is because of the money earned in the bowls, you can keep the bowls and make them the playoffs. and yes, keep some extra bowls for the extra money and to see some decent games (I thought some of the lesser bowls were entertaining. maybe not the little ceasars bowl) but remove the ones that only get 6-6 teams.

Bowls are meaningless to the fans but to the promoters and the NCAA, they mean money! so they will not get rid of the bowls unless they see a viable option. I say why not have both and try to fix this crap. The championship game was a low rating because everyone knew it was a boring ass game and outside of the Southeast, no one cared. There was no "national" implications (even though it is the national championship ((which is bullshit cuz if the nation doesn't even get a chance then might as well be SEC champ part 2)) which is ironic) so people out west, north and even in TSUN really had nothing to root for. Still there is money to be made and they are making a boatload and can ride that train for at least a couple more years.

but I really think a playoff is necessary for the changing times. This is no longer the 80's where it's either one good team from a couple of conferences. non-BCS teams deserve a chance to have a try at the NC. teams that have a bad break but are really good can have a chance (OKST deserved a chance with everything that happened that week. they weren't the best but they deserved a shot).

I saw a UFO told me to have a goodyear!

btalbert25's picture

Oh I agree with ya.  The bowls are just becoming more and more meaningless every year, and if their usefulness was to earn ratings and TV money even that is going by the wayside.

I think the problem is you get the bowl committees who are getting cash off the deal, the networks(which actuall own some of the bowls outright) and the conferences all getting a cut.

Make a playoff and it could be very lucrative for everyone involved and not just a few.  TV ratings for a college football playoff with 16 teams would be HUGE.  However, would an individual conference like B1G or SEC which gets 2 teams in a BCS bowl each season and what, 34 million because of it, be able to get a bigger cut from a playoff than it would the current system?  That may be tough .  That's why Delaney hates a playoff.  It'll make it much harder for the B1G to keep that money flowing in.  How do you split up the revenue that a playoff generates? 

Unfortunately, that's why he, Slive, the PAC12 and others will be content with a plus 1 or "final four" which will do nothing to really solve the problem.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Albert, as long as you're arguing hypothetically, about the mid-to-long-term future. There is zero chance the bowls will be jettisoned in the short-term. The only "politically" viable question currently on the table is a four team "playoff" (or final four) or maintainence of the status-quo (with maybe a few tweaks).

btalbert25's picture

Oh I fully understand that, we're stuck with the bowls like it or not.  I wouldn't be totally shocked if a "final four" model ended up with ultimately more BCS bowls being added to the mix so that conferences with a team or 2 in the final four could also still get 2 at large bids.  Bowls aren't going anywhere, which is a shame.

Squirrel Master's picture

I somewhat disagree about it being harder to get the same amount of money or more with a playoff system. a) a B1G team will make the playoffs with their champion. If the total playoff money is split with the conferences in the playoff (most likely the major 5 conf) and the playoff potentially can earn more money, then the B1G will get there split. b) if the bowls become the first levels of the playoff, I am sure they will find a way for those bowls to continue to earn the money they are currently earning.

Never underestimate the greed of the NCAA and how they will figure out how to make more money. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out that they have been holding off on a playoff, even though they want it, just to milk any money out of the current system before they go for the cash cow. And that cash cow is going to be a network shelling out NFL type money to own the rights to the playoff. I would guarantee it! A good example could be march madness. NCAA is killing in that playoff format.


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DefendOhio's picture

Coop wasn't out of line with his comments imo. 

Elika's picture

Had he said them in private, I'd agree. Ohio State is one big glass house right now though.

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Bucks's picture

I'll be interested to see the changes take hold as far as Str & Cond goes. One of the things I'm looking forward to the most.

"Meyer, who received his bachelor’s degree from Cincinnati, was asked what he thought of the team’s work ethic so far.

“It’s average right now. We’ll see,” he said of the players’ commitment to conditioning. “I don’t want to jump over the top but three days into it, this third day, you walk around saying, ‘That was decent.’ The first day, you kind of had a sick feeling to your stomach, like, ‘What was that I just watched?’ So it’s getting better.”

pcon258's picture

does anyone know where i could find a video of meyers preser? i could only find herman and withers on line

acBuckeye's picture

I'm one of those that likes the bowl system. Not the BCS, but the old bowl system. Just sayin.