Agent: Urban to Join Ohio State

By 11W Staff on November 28, 2011 at 11:10a
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SOON

As first tweeted by our very own Ramzy and confirmed by multiple sources, including ESPN, Urban Meyer will be the next head coach at Ohio State per his agent, Trace Armstrong.

The news should not be surprising to anyone who has followed this story over the last two to three weeks, although this is the first public confirmation from a source directly connected to Meyer. Ohio State still has not released a statement, but we are expecting a press conference to announce the hire later today.

There will be more to come from 11W as details emerge. Continue to check back to the site throughout the day for the latest on the Meyer developments.

 

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flipbuckeye's picture

You forgot to credit SbB.

SouthBayBuckeye's picture

I would personally like to thank you for calling him SbB, and not SBB.

Banned from ATO since June 3rd 2PMish PST

flipbuckeye's picture

I originally typed "sbb" but later edited it because I remember you posting something about sharing the same initials.

SilverBullets's picture

Congrats 11W, you guys stuck to your guns through the entire thing.  And bonus! We got Urban!

Alex's picture

Thanks....as we have said...we don't run with anything...we had multiple good sources that have been right on a lot of things (gave us exact Tat 5 names days before announced, etc.)...glad this was correct again

DamienJax's picture

I agree. 11W beat everyone else to the punch on this one. Hopefully people will start taking blogs more seriously (except spb).

Poe McKnoe's picture

This is good news.

Baroclinicity's picture

Thanks Fick... whatever your future may be...

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Maestro's picture

Yes sir.

vacuuming sucks

Buckeyejason's picture

Great news to start the week!

Thanks 11 W, you guys are the best at what you do.

BUCKEYES BABY!

chitown buckeye's picture

Excited to finally start getting answers!! Whos on the staff? Fickells fate? How long has this been in the works? If there is a bowl whats the plan? Players thoughts? Recruits thoughts? Lots to discuss!!

 

"I'm having a heart attack!"

Northbrook's picture

Yep, the fun is just starting.

Congrats to 11W for your excellent work on this story.

Alex's picture

my guesses on staff (and just guessess)

 

OC/OL: Studrawa (LSU)

QB: Loeffler (Temple)

WR: Gonzales (LSU)

TE: Peterson (OSU)

RB: Drayton (OSU)

DL/Co-DC/Asst HC: Fickell (OSU)

LB: Vrabel (OSU)

DB: Johnson (OSU)

S&C: Mariotti (UF)

Co-DC: Durkin (UF)

Mike Stoops (formerly Arizona), Tenuta (NC State), Smith (Temple), Heater (Temple), Moore (UConn) all options as well

RBuck's picture

I have serious doubts that Vrabel and Johnson will be retained.

Long live the southend.

TLB's picture

I hope Vrabel is not retained.

Northbrook's picture

I don't think your sample is large enough.

Denny's picture

I don't think his shirts are glittery enough.

Taquitos.

Northbrook's picture

Denny I'm going to rely on your reporting skills. I haven't seen his shirts but if you say so, I'm all in.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Who is Scott Loeffler?

[excerpt]
Loeffler spent one season in the NFL with the Detroit Lions, where he guided a quarterback unit that threw for 2,960 yards in 2008.

Prior to joining the Lions, Loeffler coached the quarterbacks at his alma mater, the University of Michigan, for six seasons, guiding second-round draft pick Chad Henne. Under the tutelage of Loeffler, Henne became the first true freshman QB to lead his team to a Big Ten title and start in a BCS bowl game. Henne set school marks in career passing yards (9,715), touchdowns (87), completions (828) and attempts (1,387). He helped develop John Navarre into the team’s first All-Big Ten first-team quarterback since 1997.
[/excerpt]

Michigan grad... ugh.

DamienJax's picture

As Conan the Barbarian would say, Urban shall now crush our enemies, see them driven before us, and hear the lamentation of their women. Time to drink the sweet tears of woe and misery of the rest of the Big Ten.

buckeyedude's picture

This is certainly good news. I guess it's time I changed my picture. Good luck Fickell, wherever you end up. You're a warrior and a great Buckeye!

 

 

BuckeyeSki's picture

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BuddhaBuck's picture

9 months until the next 11W Banner... :)

Best. Monday. Ever.
 

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mr.green's picture

So what about the NCAA? Will they be dropping a gray box on us today, too?

 

amk1616's picture

Is this just a guess or another "inside huntch"?

Buckeye in Athens's picture

Well this is a big day. 

Geraffi's picture

I <3 11W. Great work!

BuckeyeLurker0509's picture

Urban Meyer hired. 67 degrees, and its almost December.

O'Shea Jackson said it best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWfbGGZE07M

Nappy's picture

This definitely takes the sting away from losing to the shit hole up north.  Cant want to get the details on the staff.  What Alex speculates above sounds great.  Any idea on who coaches the team in a bowl?

I never saw a football player make a tackle with a smile on his face

Alex's picture

I think would have to be Fickell 

20sider's picture

If I am not mistaken about the timing, I believe this is why OSU asked for the "early" telecon with the NCAA. I would have to think that they would want to know what was heading their way prior to offering Urban (or any coach) the position. Any coach worth his salt would ask.

 

** this ended up under the wrong comment... meant as a reply to the NCAA incoming greybox. Oops! Hehe. Teach me to post without at least 2 cups of coffee.

GO BUCKS!

Hoody Wayes's picture

The 2011 Pulitzer Prize goes to...11W:

LouBuck35's picture

Gray box of JOY!!!!!!!

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

Doc's picture

Great job 11W staff.  Top notch reporting as usual.  Thanks Coach Fickell for your dedication and good luck to you. 

Now, let's see if we can have both a kick ass offense and kick ass defense.

 

Let's Go Bucks!

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Scott's picture

Thanks 11W. Aside from this being great Buckeye news, this is vindication for non-traditional media. While people attacked you and called you irrelevant -- ironically in their columns in newspapers that no one reads -- you had the best intelligence around and shared it with the world on this site. I love you guys (and girls).

Class of 2008

flipbuckeye's picture

This so much. All the media that blasted 11W for their "basement reporting" can suck a bag of fat ones.

BuckeyeSki's picture

Fat one's?

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Buckeyebrowny919's picture

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

buck i's picture

Props to 11W for never backing down. This site is my #1 source for everything Ohio State.

One thing I've been wondering is that given all of the Meyer rumors swirling about for the past few weeks, it seems like there haven't been any rumors about Gene Smiths fate. Given everything that has happened to the program, I don't see how he sticks around. However, one would think that something would have leaked if a dismissal was imminent.

jenks's picture

Why not? He just hired Urban Meyer and you would figure that's predicated on only a few NCAA sanctions. I know the PR hasn't looked great, but I'd say he's doing his job fairly well and not many other ADs would be able to pull off what he has.

Denny's picture

Pretty much everything I've read says that Smith didn't do the hiring - members of the university BOT did the hiring.

Taquitos.

jenks's picture

Interesting. But he must have played some role though? At some point? Just a little?

At the very least I think its unfair to judge the job that Smith has done 1) without seeing final NCAA sanctions; and 2) judging solely by the lack of public relations.

Miller's picture

Here's all you need to know about Smith: as I understand it, Tress was the only guy for which Geno did not provided written performance reviews or follow-up (as, for example, in instances of Compliance problems) -- unlike Andy Geiger. The story I read indicated that Smith's oversight with regards to compliance issues was much more lax and somewhat under-the-table -- there was nothing in writing to provided evidence for the NCAA that Smith/OSU may have followed up with Tress in any manner regarding compliance or infractions. Contrast that with Andy Geiger, who documented everthing and was much tougher on JT, and actually followed a regimented process. Keep that in mind, and then look at the way Smith has handled the current spate of NCAA problems -- I don't think the guy deserves to keep his job. I particularly don't think he does, if JT told him about everything up front and it just wasn't documented by Smith or the Compliance team, as I suspect.

I could be wrong (probably am), but  I think JT fell on the sword for the university and for this tool, and I don't think he deserves it. Get him out of there.

 

LABuckeye's picture

For what it's worth, I am 100% in agreement on your theory of what happened.

BuckeyeChris's picture

"Props to 11W for never backing down. This site is my #1 source for everything Ohio State."

 

Ditto

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

and it wasn't just questionable reporting. you also had down the 7 years $40 mil didn't you?

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

jenks's picture

I still have minor reservations as I've stated in the past, but its hard to argue with his credentials and say anyone else would be better. I am happy.

Also, I hope to spend more time here to discuss things leading up to the bowl game and the start of bball, but finals are approaching and there's a lot to do at work. I trust everyone is having a great holiday season (plus Meyer, minus the work).

Hoody Wayes's picture

It may take Urban Meyer and Ohio State, to put an end to this SEC dynasty.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Good point . . . assuming a lot of ifs become reality, I was thinking the same thing. If a reinvigorated Meyer were able to lock up Ohio while also maintaining a steady pipeline out of FLA, with a few bluechippers from other states mixed in here and there, he could accumulate a wicked talent base at Ohio State.

Meanwhile, the SEC is on top of the CFB world now, but has some structural weaknesses: for example, because of the limited number of t.v. sets in the southeast U.S, the eSECpn product must maintain, and build on, a high level of national, not just regional, popularity to maintain the $7+ million coaching staffs and the $1 billion t.v. deals, etc., and yet the 24 hr. ESPiN machine + SEC ad naseum hype (e.g., Bama and LSU in NCG) can backfire, leading to "market saturation" and loss of interest in the SEC football product. I believe that the current SEC business model is unsustainable.      

chitown buckeye's picture

Lol!! You are right!! This was ESPN's and the SEC's plan all along!!

"I'm having a heart attack!"

Hoody Wayes's picture

While I think TX is Saban's next destination...what of these Hoke-to-San Diego rumors? Saban in Ann Arbor? Plausible, at least.

NW Buckeye's picture

Saban will not leave Bama until he is forced to give up over signing. And for anyone who says over signing does not give an advantage - this year and the run of consecutive SEC NCs should serve as proof that it does. Bama and LSU have been leaders in over signing through the last decade. Couple that with AC salaries that attract and retain quality coaches and you have a formula for success that Saban is basking in. True, the SEC has made noise that they want to curb the practice, but it has all been a show up to this point. Does anyone honestly think they will put an end to something that has given them this much success? Does anyone think that Saban will walk away from it? Stranger things have happened, but we all know how good Saban is when he has to compete on an even playing field. Stints at MSU and the NFL proved he was good, but nothing compared to the success he is having at Bama.

btalbert25's picture

2 of those 6 titles were from Florida, who didn't oversign.  Auburn, caught lightening in a bottle with Cam Newton, and while shady circumstances existed, it wasn't oversigning that won them a title.  LSU has been pretty average since their BCS title win against Ohio State, which was probably the weakest BCS title game in the history of the BCS a 2 loss team that probably shouldn't have been there against a Buckeye Team that really shouldn't have been there.  So, while yes, there is some advantage to oversigning, I'd say at least 4 of those titles during this run had NOTHING to do with oversigning.

M tots's picture

If not for oversigning, Auburn may never have even brought Cam Newton in though.

btalbert25's picture

I'm just over the oversigning topic, it sounds like sour grapes and it's the topic du jour about why the SEC is better than everyone else.  This time last year it was the good recruits didn't want to play in cold weather, and that success of southern high school football programs had to do with a dramatic population shift etc. 

Another time it was that it's unfair they pay their coaches so much money.  Then the media was blamed.  It's just irrelevant to whine and complain about it.  They are operating within the rules whether we like it or not. 

Does it give a team an advantage?  It can't hurt, but I believe coaching has much more of an impact.  If you are a kid looking to play for a school and maybe you aren't good enough for Bama or OSU, would you rather go to Purdue or Northwestern and play, or go to South Carolina and play for Spurrier? 

Instead of looking at their practices and saying it's not fair, let's look at what the B1G is doing that isn't working.  Everyone in the B1G has extremely deep pockets.  They could fork out some extra cash and bring in those type of coaches, but they don't.  Until then you are going to see a conference with a couple of good teams (which this year I'm not even sure the B1G has that many) and 6 or 7 just crappy teams.

chitown buckeye's picture

+1000

"I'm having a heart attack!"

NW Buckeye's picture

When I posted that I knew you would take offense.  My comments still stand.  You can point to one school not employing as much oversigning as the others, but most of them do it.  FL had to compete with and defeat teams who employed the practice, quite possibly making them better.  How often have you and other posters slammed the B1G for not being a competitive league?  Oversigning would go a long way to making them competitive in those posters' eyes.  Would not be the only step necessary, but would certainly help. 

And, you can not argue with the amount of success the SEC has enjoyed while they started to run rampant with oversiigning.  Yes, coaching does figure into it.  Spending big bucks on coaches helps (however, that hasn't worked out so well for Texas).  But, Saban is arguably just a very good coach, not exceptional (his time spent at other schools/teams proves that).  But, with the right mix of $$ (for coaches) and oversigning he has been exceptional at Bama.  Get off your "we need to do what the SEC does" horse and admit that they have some questionable practices that do give them an advantage even if in your eyes it is negligible.  We can learn from what they do right, but if jumping on the oversigning / push a kid out if he doesn't make it bandwagon is the answer to being competitive, I (as a former college athlete) want nothing to do with it.  It is not only a disservice to the kids you use as numbers, but to the general well being of the sport as well.  Just because the NCAA and SEC treat student athletes as indentured slaves doesn't mean the B1G should drop their standards and follow suit.  (Actually, the SEC does not treat them as indentured - they treat them more like household trash - throw it away when you have no more use for it). 

btalbert25's picture

I didn't take offense to it, I just think the oversigning topic is today's outrage against the SEC.  Since the Florida debacle and LSU game the following year it seems people have tried to come up with excuses as to why the SEC has an unfair advantage.  Next year it will be something different.  A lot of schools oversign in the NCAA, 2 are really good this year and that seems to be the rallying cry about why the SEC has such unfair disadvantages over everyone else.  They aren't the only conference that oversigns, and 2 programs are benefitting this year.  No one complained about oversigning when we lost to LSU in 2008.  No one cared that LSU oversigned the last 3 years when they went to non BCS bowls.  This year all the sudden it's a huge issue.

I never said the B1G should over sign, I just said instead of looking at what the SEC does and scream no fair, let's look at what some of the B1G programs do that doesn't work.  Let's actually use all of the scholarships at our disposal.  They don't want to pay a premium for coaching is 1 pefect example.  Despite, every program having a ton of money.  Maybe it's more important to have a Co-ed team handball program funded by football revenue than it is to actually use that money to hire competent coaches, I don't know.  However, the SEC oversigning has nothing to do with 2/3 of the B1G sucking every year.

There's no questioning how good LSU and Bama are this season, they are great, where I have problem with the SEC is when a team like Arkansas this year gets voted up to number 3 in the country.  One unfair advantage to the SEC is the hype machine behind their programs that are playing well.  This creates a much higher strength of schedule than what the schools are actually playing.  I knew LSU would blast Arkansas, because Arkansas isn't that good.  But to the computers and human pollsters that was an incredible win against the number 3 team in America.  That's the clear advantage that the SEC has to me.  They have CBS and ESPN and all their "experts" writing and going on air telling everyone how much better the SEC is and how great all these programs are.  That leads to the SEC champ being an automatic entry into the BCS title game.

AJ's picture

Completely agree with you on almost every point.  Oddly though not with Arkansas.  They were number 3 by default because everyone else lost not because they play in the SEC, and now they aren't number 3.  So it all evened out.  BTW Saban is 60, he is not going to move to Texas and coach for them, much less Michigan.

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Lincoln's picture

Great news for Ohio State and congrats 11W team. I come here every day as my morning routine and rarely post but this definitly deserves a thank you.

Hopefully the national media will give credit where it is due....... SbB of course.

amk1616's picture

from what i have read (on his website) SbB did break the story.  So what if it was after 11W broke it. 

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Go 11W!

Screw the mainstream press.

F*ck Michigan!

Scott K's picture

11W is by far the best sports blog out there.  A great mix of inside info, analysis, and humor.

I'm not the first to say it, but let me be the first today to welcome our new Urban Overlord!

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

matti's picture

grey box of goodness is back ....

also ef that school up north really effing classy with the whole gernade celebration thats all osu needed was even more motivation thanks weisels enjoy recieving your 40 point ass kicking next year

Bucksfan's picture

Gray box of happiness!

joel121270's picture

Could someone tell me if Forde ever had a positive word to say about TOSU? He's at it again on Yahoo...I really am starting to despise this tool as much as Mark May.

jenks's picture

Just finished reading that too. In his defense, I remember that first article he posted about Meyer and agreeing with almost everything he said then. He's just sticking to his guns here, and it's not so much about OSU as it is about Meyer.

dja.ohio's picture

He must have negotiated a clause in his Yahoo Sports contract that prevented Yahoo from enabling user comments on his stories.

joel121270's picture

Yeah, a lot of them do cuz they can't man up to their comments. I take the extra step and email them directly which is prob redirected to a trash bin in the email.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree, outstanding reporting by 11W! Few sites - sports related or otherwise - can match 11Ws combination of interactive blogging with original reporting.

Meanwhile, the reporting by traditional media outlets steadily declines in quality, and obviously they're very weak on the interactive (blogging) side. These dinosaur media outlets will continue to blame the "instant gratification" society - and its supposed spawn, the blogosphere - for their journalistic failures. Yet sites like 11W keep getting better at traditional reporting while the mainstream outlets just make excuses, which include covering up for the structural weakenesses of their business models (e.g., eSECpn/ABC/Disney/etal).

Keep up the good work, fellas!        

Colby3333's picture

Hope the rest of the country in college football enjoyed OSU's "down" year?  Here's to a run that will Bit*h slap all who got great joy out this past season.

Maestro's picture

Oh yes.

scUM fans better enjoy the next 12 months because their reign in the series will be very short lived.

Bucket list item : To be alive when Ohio State passes Michigan in the series record.

vacuuming sucks

NC_Buckeye's picture

Bucket list item : To be alive when Ohio State passes Michigan in the series record.

Amen, Maestro. Amen.

Becky in Cleveland's picture

Now the agent is saying that Urban has not accepted the deal yet.  He also said he's very disappointed in ESPN for jumping the gun.  He said he's kept them in the loop, but that nothing has been confirmed or announced.  Ugh.

 

Becky in Cleveland

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

link or gtfo :)

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

RBuck's picture

Source?

Long live the southend.

Poe McKnoe's picture

Do not go to CBS Sports for your non-SEC news.

Agent disputes report Meyer has taken OSU job

jenks's picture

This. Everywhere else is still confirming it.

Curiously, I don't see anything about it on buckeyextra.

LABuckeye's picture

It sounds to me like the agent said something to someone at ESPN and wasn't expecting ESPN to report it, so now he is backtracking. 

jenks's picture

rookie mistake

jfrank373's picture

Sounds like the SEC network, CBS, is pissed that they were never "in the loop" and everyone else was. Also, I would imagine that the university has yet to personally meet with Fickell, the team, and other parties involved. Urban and OSU are probably pissed at the agent, told him to shut the F up, and here we are.

BuckeyeChief's picture

D#mn good day!

Back in Cali, 6AM Sportscenter, Robert Smith can't get the grin off of his face!

"2014 National Champions...deal with it!!!"

dlcjmc7993's picture

I would love to be in Jim Bollman's office right now! Hahaha!!!

flipbuckeye's picture

Tumbleweeds. And maybe empty fish buckets.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater's picture

I have a feeling you'd be sitting there alone, staring at an empty desk and empty walls with dirty outlines of where pictures of his walrus children used to hang.....

Doc's picture

LULZ!

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KenK's picture

Did you volunteer to help JB pack?

Johnny Hooker: "He's not as tough as he thinks". Henry Gondorff: "Neither are we".

BrewstersMillions's picture

ALL HAIL LORD MEYER!

That was a pretty long rebuild we had going there. Almost a full season?

Run_Fido_Run's picture

The King is dead! Long live the king!

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I'd not heard of that indie folk rock band before now, but maybe I'll check them out.

"The king is dead, long live the king," was the old standard announcement for when a king died and was replaced by the heir-in-waiting. The idea is that the King is not so much a specific person, per se, but a divinely-sanctioned office. The mortal man who was king died but the kingship lives on, with the title, powers, honors, properties, responsibilities, etc., passing to the next-in-line.

Sometimes, there was a fight over which prince was the rightful heir to the throne. But even if you'd fought on the wrong side, once the new king was crowned, you were expected to pledge fealty to him, because you were loyal to the kingdom.  

Similarly, two years ago, I despised Urban Meyer and loved JT, but now JT is gone and Meyer is the new boss. Long live the king!   

 

Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

According to Bill Greene. Urban to meet OSU players at 4. Press conference at 6.

USMCBUCKEYE82's picture

Where did you see this at?

osukdawg76's picture

Please give a welcome to our new coaching overlord, Urban Meyer.

 

Welcome home.

I, for one, welcome our new coaching overlords.

 

 

jfrank373's picture

Thank you Terelle Pryor, you have given us Urbz.

Northbrook's picture

We traded up. Way up.

Buckeye in Athens's picture

You mean from Tress or Fick? I'm excited about Urban too, but let's not get hasty.. 

Northbrook's picture

I'm talking about Pryor. Did we trade up from Tress or Fick? We'll see.

My comment really was meant to say that Pryor was a cancer.

Miller's picture

Pryor was the perfect example of why you don't treat a special kid *too* special, and you let your senior leadership police their lockerroom, if they have shown the capacity to do it well (as I believe Jenkins, Laurinaitis, and Freeman, et al,  would have, if they hadn't been pulled off Pryor's neck)...

Is Tress still partially responsible for this mess? Yes. But that kid deserves much of the blame, IMO.

JLP36's picture

and untold truckloads of shi*

JLP36

blendking's picture

Great point!

Chip Smith

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Stoneburner and Boren will likely be much more involved next year. Urban loves to use tight ends and H-backs in his power spread game.

What's the word on the bowl game? Will Meyer be taking over?

OSUNeedles's picture

I hope our Oline gets more involved in our offensive scheme.

Maestro's picture

Excited.  Curious to see what happens with Fickell, but excited for a new era.

vacuuming sucks

Baroclinicity's picture

This.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

flipbuckeye's picture

So does this mean Dunn is a done deal (lulliteration) to Michigan? He didn't want to play in a spread offense and wasn't thrilled with all the Urban talk.

If that's the case, oh well. Have fun getting your shit blown up by Shazier.

BuckeyeChris's picture

It's okay. I had a dream last night and gawd told me that Derrick Green was going to play for Urban Meyer (*yeah, that Sharif Floyd stuff was pretty shady, dude, but all is forgiven my man...all is forgiven). 

Miller's picture

This, +1 million.

I want to see Shazier put on about 15-20 lbs. of muscle and just wreck shit all over the B1G.

WRECK. IT.

I love good linebackers. There's nothing like them :)

jenks's picture

The UMich fans are hysterical today. They're comparing the hire with Dick Rod.

Even if you don't like Urban, no intelligent being could ever compare the two. in any way. ever. period.

joel121270's picture

Even if you don't like Urban, no intelligent being could ever compare the two. in any way. ever. period.

 

We're talking about Michigan fans here now.

jenks's picture

Fla fans are in on it too, of course. On the bright side, they all hate ESPN.

RBuck's picture

Denial is a terrible thing.

Long live the southend.

GoBucks713's picture

Denard is a terribler thing.

-The Aristocrats!

Baroclinicity's picture

Denard is a terribler thing.

Said in your best Charles Barkely voice...

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

The agents comments are at collegefootballtalk.com. He is pissed he shared the info with them as a professional courtesy and they ran with it.

ESPiN = TMZ of the sports world

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

ysuosu1's picture

I understand that OSU is meeting with NCAA today for final sanction verdict. I find it really hard to believe that OSU doesn't already know pretty much what's coming down the pike for them as far as sanctions. And Urban took the job anyway? Hmmm, can't help but think we are not going to get killed here!

Also very strange about the agent withdrawling that Urban officially accepted the job... Come on...isn't the first question an agent asks is : can I release the info?"  Seems weird.. I would think in the next couple hours, OSU needs to make a statement. With 24/7 media coverage, PR is important and ducks need to be in a row( players know, all coaches spoken to) before info is released by an official person, like an agent! Good for OSU for holding off but they don't have much time left...they need to speak.

I would never want to be under this kind of pressure...in high profile sports PR. Probably really tough to keep all balls juggling in the air and do it right!

 

LP

jenks's picture

It doesn't sound like the agent did much wrong here. And it's silly to be upset other than espn "break the story." Everyone saw this coming last week so its not really "breaking" news.

Bucksfan's picture

Pat Forde is on the Dan Patrick show in a few minutes.  Topics include Heisman, NC game, and the Urban Meyer hire.

buckIalum's picture

It's Christmas come early! 

Appreciate the job Luke did given the situation he was put in. There were problems early on and they continued through the season, but every player went to bat for Fickell talking about how much they loved him. That says a lot to me. Hope it is true that he will remain on the staff.

btalbert25's picture

So, while there are only a few schollies left for recruiting this year, does anyone in the know see any guys on scholarship that Urban may council to leave the program because they don't fit his system?  I know it's an ugly thought, but a lot of time when a new coach comes aboard, this happens.  Could there be some more schollies available for him to make a run at a few extra recruits this year?  If so, what players do those in the know see being vulnerable if any?

BuckeyeChris's picture

See: Ryan Mallett. That worked out very well for Rich Rod. 

jenks's picture

And unlike RR, Meyer is a good coach who can deal great players who do other things.

btalbert25's picture

I really don't think that's relevant to what I'm asking at all.  A lot of indications were that Mallet was on his way out anyway.  I mean more like the 3 or 4 guys a year who were given a scholarship that were walk ons or Archie's kid who was given a token scholarship.  There are guys on schollie who don't make much of a contribution their 4 years with the program.  

jenks's picture

Not to bring up Tress, but this was the kind of stuff I loved him doing. This is also something you can't afford to do when "oversigning." Since Urban seems to be more Tressel like than Saban like (maybe?) I don't really see him doing it for one or two more freshmen.

Regardless of what he does, I think it'll be an indication of how he treats the program. I hope he sees it in the greater good rather than just about winning games, but, winning fixes everything so I'll eat those words in a few years if not sooner.

btalbert25's picture

I guess it just doesn't make sense to me.  We hear all this complaining and whining all the time about oversigning yet we don't even sign a full class every year.  So, shouldn't we complain about our program undersigning instead of worrying about other programs oversigning?  Don't get me wrong, there have been a few players who proved to be very valuable to the team who were given scholarships when they were walkons, but if my choice is to land a highly touted recruit that would be a star here as opposed to using that scholarship to make a walk on who may never be a starter or solid contributor a scholarship player, well, I'm going with that extra freshman every time.

jenks's picture

I get what you're saying, and winning will fix a lot of my problems with it. I really liked NC_Buckeye's analysis, though. I'd much rather win by not having to resort to those tactics.

NC_Buckeye's picture

BT, telling the walk ons to take a hike would be a terrible idea.

Those 4 or 5 guys are usually rewarded with a scholarship their senior year because they've distinguished themselves as dedicated leaders of the practice squad. That's been standard practice since Hayes tenure (maybe longer). It was clearly an OSU tradition when Meyer was an asst here under Bruce.

Basically this year's walk ons are almost done (with the bowl game). It's up to Meyers to determine who will be next year's. And it's not always that many... sometimes it's just 1 or 2. Sometimes when a spot opens up (medical or someone quits) that's when a walk on scholarship gets rewarded. Maybe Matt Finkes can do an article on walk-on scholies (are you reading this Matt?)

I don't see Meyer getting rid of walk on scholarships but if he did that would be the wrong message to send to this team.

Now if there are position players that are not working out or he sees as unusable in his system then... he can do something like what Tressel did to James Jackson. Basically tell them they won't be seeing any playing time for the remainder of their time in Columbus. He can't pull their scholarships though.

Pulling scholarships is basically everyone's beef with oversigning. And that's not what Ohio State is about.

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btalbert25's picture

I'm not saying quit the practice, I'm saying people need to quit complaining about oversigning when we don't even sign a full class every year.  I said above there have been several players who this practice worked out well and there were players who were well deserving.  I also am not telling anyone to take a hike.  All I was doing is thinking out loud of who may be leaving and how many extra scholarships it could potentially open up for Meyer to work with.  There is almost always attrition when a new coach comes to town in any sport, and sometimes it actually benefits the team.  I'm j ust wondering if the writers know of any players on roster, with a scholarship that may take off, leaving scholarships to work with.  Maybe I didn't convey that message effectively when I first brought it up. 

Miller's picture

Also, to name one, once in a while, you get a guy like Antonio Smith -- a local walk-on kid who by his Sr. year can really start, contribute, and make a huge impact on one side of the ball or the other. You can't beat the good press from something like that...

BTwrestle04's picture

Per an ESPN insider article, Tom Luginbill seems to think this is going to be the case.

Bucksfan's picture

Who wouldn't fit his system?  This team is pretty much Urban-ready.

BTwrestle04's picture

I'm sorry, I read BT's post wrong. Luginbill was claiming he may take a look at the guys currently committed and offered scholarships for this recruiting class.

btalbert25's picture

I'm not so much talking about guys we know a lot about.  I can't imagine he'd go up to Rod Smith and say, sorry we need you to give up your scholarship.  I mean does anyone see him cutting out some of the guys who aren't really role players.  It may step on some toes since that would be similar to what happens in schools that oversign, but I know when a new coach comes in, this kind of stuff happens, and it p robbaly happened with Tressel when there were some transfers close to signing day.  I also know that JT would typically sign around 20-23 per year and those extra schollies were given to someone who was a walk on, or they'd go out and grab some player recruit no one had ever heard of and give them a scholarship.  I would think, that some of those players may be vulnerable, and Urban may be able to add more recruits than expected to the class.  That's what I'm getting at. 

NW Buckeye's picture

This is, again, where you just don't get it.  You want college athletics treated like a professional sports league.  If a guy falls short of your expectations - show him the door.  Fortunately, the powers at OSU and the B1G still see this all as college athletics.  Offering a kid a scholarship should be a firm commitment from the school to help him get an education.  Pulling the rug out from under the scholly because a kid does not fit your mold (or some future coach's mold) is just wrong in college athletics.  I would not expect you to understand that because you have taken a firm positive stance on oversigning to begin with.  Frankly, I don't give a crap if oversigning / selling kids short on their scholly's would make us more competitive.  It is disgusting, dehumanizing, and wrong.  If a kid wants to leave on his own volition, so be it, but there should be nothing done to encourage it or force it. 

 

Maestro's picture

Slow clap.

 

vacuuming sucks

btalbert25's picture

I've not taken a firm stance in favor of  oversigning at all.  I'm saying when I new coach takes over, often times there is attrition.  The new coach can tell the kid what their role will be with the program and they can transfer.  It happens all the time when a new coach takes over.  I'm simply asking if there are such players that people think may leave the program.  I don't like all the aspects of oversigning, but I'm not terrible against all of them either.  It's not an either you are absoutely against it or OMG why do you hate college athletes so much. 

I wish some journalist out there would take a look at some of these poor dehumanized kids and see how their lives panned out after they were replaced by someone else.  A lot of them still keep a scholarship to go to school.  A lot of them go on to play elsewhere.  I've talked about the kid that Les Miles called from the dorm after he moved in and told he wasn't going to play and the kid had to move out of the dorm and was screwed.  I think that is horrible, but I also believe that is the exception far more than the rule.  A lot of the guys who are oversigned, never even step foot on campus.  They can't make it into school because of grades or off the field issues.  I think there could be a correct way to oversign.  The B1G could do it and follow a different model than the Big 12, SEC, and other conferences who do it.

USMCBUCKEYE82's picture

Dustin Fox just tweeted Ohio State press conference is at 5:15 tonight. Any word 11W you are the only ones I come to for TOSU info!?!?!?

flipbuckeye's picture

11W tweeted this as well.

USMCBUCKEYE82's picture

That is Freaking amazing!!! Best present of my three year olds(on the right in the avatar) birthday!!!! And of course mine!!!

blendking's picture

Nice Job 11W!!

Chip Smith

Buckeyejason's picture

I expect Stoneburner and Fragel to have HUGE years next season. We'll be hearing talk of the best Tight End tandom in the country.

Jordan Hall's #'s should sky rockett next year as well with Urbans system in full force.

BUCKEYES BABY!

flipbuckeye's picture

DrSaturday reminding the twitterverse that 11W was the first to report the Urban news. #props

Can't link it here at work.

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