Tuesday Skull Session

By Danny on September 27, 2011 at 6:00a
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Good morning Buckeye faithful and welcome to your Tuesday Skull Session. Alright yes, the Buckeyes got a win over a lousy team after a horrendous loss, but to say this team didn't show you some potential last Saturday, you would have to be nuts.

The score read 37-17 at the end of the game, but it really didn't do Ohio State justice. Even on the very last drive of the game, the Buckeyes were moving the chains for a score, but in a very sportsman-like gesture, Luke Fickell pulled back a hungry Buckeye team and made them kneel out the final moments of the game.

It was a win that this team desperately needed, but now things are about to get serious. It's time for Big Ten football, where a worthy Michigan State team would love to knock off Ohio State and climb back into the top 25, just like the Buckeyes would like to do.

Whoever wins this game will most likely get another shot at being ranked in the next coaches poll. So goodbye Ralphie the Buffalo, hello Sparty the Spartan, this is going to be quite the matchup.

Let's get started:

DEPTH PERCEPTION. Luke Fickell must've been listening to some Bob Dylan after the game Saturday because changes are on the way in preparation for the first game of the Big Ten regular season.

Ohio State released its official football depth chart for the fifth game of the season. Just in case anyone is still skeptical about a quarterback controversy, Braxton Miller is listed as the lone starter. This is the first time this season only one quarterback has been listed alone at the top of the depth chart.

Unless OSU is blowing teams out, as we saw in the Colorado game, or Miller doesn't show he's able to throw the ball late in a game, don't expect to see much of Joe Bauserman. Bauserman played his heart out for this team and has been nothing but supportive of Fickell's quarterback decisions throughout the year. It's great to see he's willing to be a team player, and it's also great to see Fickell having faith in his young quarterback, Miller.

Marcus Hall is still hanging on by pins and needles over Corey Linsley in the battle at right guard. Hall, at least in my opinion, showed improvement this week, even if it was against Colorado. But still, keep an eye on this match up as OSU begins facing B1G squads.

There were some serious shake ups in the secondary as Orhian Johnson haters finally got their wish. Christian Bryant, the talented sophomore, will get his shot at handling the left safety position. Johnson clearly has struggled this year, and with the schedule only getting tougher moving forward, Fickell probably saw Johnson as too much of a liability. So enter the seldom used Bryant until last week who will hopefully provide a spark for the secondary. However, look for Johnson to still be used on occasion.

Also in the defensive backfield, Fickell has decided to go with Bradley Roby over Dominic Clarke, who will back up Travis Howard. While I would've preferred Clarke in the starting role, Roby is no slouch either and certainly has proved he can play well enough to hold a starting position. This Buckeye secondary certainly looks deeper than critics expected going into week five.

IS OSU'S OFFENSE TOO ONE DIMENSIONAL? Bob Hunter of the Columbus Dispatch wrote an article on Monday about how he's worried about the physical blows Miller might take as the starting quarterback if he doesn't start throwing the ball more often. Hunter points out that Miller has a history of injuries, as he was injured every year of his high school career.

Let's get one thing straight, I thought Miller was fantastic against Colorado. He ran 17 times for 83 yards and he didn't turn the ball over. But he was also only 5-13 with 83 yards passing, so there still is a lot of room to grow for the freshman out of Huber Heights, OH.

I can't say I'm not worried about the potential for injury but Miller can't go out onto the field thinking he's going to get injured. He's got to play to his strengths now and that is running the football. The passing skills will develop, after all, Troy Smith and Terrelle Pryor, OSU's last two great quarterbacks, started primarily as runners with well-documented throwing issues. Miller, just like Smith and Pryor, will have to learn to trust his arm, and with time Miller will be a passing threat.

For now, what's important is that Miller stays on the field and continues to learn. There were plenty of times that Fickell noted that Miller perhaps should've thrown instead of ran against Colorado, but he's a freshman, he's no where close to immaculate. For now, OSU needs to play to Miller's best feature which is making plays with his feet.

Maybe one day, Braxton, maybe one day.

MICHIGAN STATE SMELLS LIKE OHIO. Michigan universities have long been harvesting Ohio's fertile high school football player crops for years. But Michigan State has taken it to another level with a roster featuring 25 players native to the Ohio area this season.

Even their head coach, Mark Dantonio, was a defensive coordinator for the 2002-2003 Buckeye team that won the national championship. Dantonio currently has his Michigan State defense leading the nation in total defense this year.

While Michigan State is loaded with Ohio talent, OSU has only three total players from the state of Michigan: Reid Fragel, Jonathan Hankins, and Dionte Allen. These numbers just further prove that the only way Michigan schools can win games is with some Ohio assistance.

GOOD WITH THE BAD. It's been reported that highly touted OSU small forward recruit, LaQuinton Ross, has been declared academically ineligible for the upcoming basketball season. Ross's academic issues may end up costing him a whole year of eligibility, but it's still far too early to predict how this situation will unfold.

On a brighter note for Thad Matta's team, Alex Rogers, a guard from Cincinnati Oak Hills, who has played two college seasons at Christian Brothers University, has made OSU's roster as a walk-on.

Rogers will probably never be more than a guy filling a roster spot on this star-filled Ohio State team, and he probably won't be a well-publicized walk on like the one and only, Mark Titus, but you can't help but root for the guy.

Walking onto any major college program's basketball team, let alone a perennial top-five team like Ohio State, is no easy feat. All that can be asked of Rogers is that he practices hard and finds his niche in his two remaining years of eligibility on what should be a talented OSU team looking to win it all.

LOS LINKS.  A talented Toledo team isn't catching any breaks... Is number seven Wisconsin and number eight Nebraska the best matchup in the B1G since number one OSU versus number two Michigan back in 2006... What would help OSU's running QB Braxton Miller? How about more running... Nebraska defensive end Jared Crick will be back for this weekend's matchup... What OSU will be missing from LaQuinton Ross this season.

 

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Kennywayne34's picture

Even if Braxton only turns out to be one half the player/winner Troy was.... I will be ecstatic.  Then his number will make perfect sense as well.

GoBucks713's picture

One would hope that he would develop into the type of player that Troy was. I hope he continues to develop into the type of player that doesn't have to be continuously compared to past players, but to the type of player that others are compared to.

-The Aristocrats!

Run_Fido_Run's picture

A couple of things the coaches might do to reduce the number of shots on Miller, starting this week against MSU's good DL:

  • Jordan Hall is a great fit out of the wildcat and thus even more dangerous than he is behind a QB. Run that package 8-10 times against Sparty.
  • Mix in a few more exotic plays that can stretch MSU's defense while putting Braxton at low risk of getting hit: WR screens, (option) shovel passes, WR reverse. 
Squirrel Master's picture

I totally agree with using Jordan Hall out of the wildcat. Maybe even take it up another notch and have braxton spread out wide or even do a reverse to draw the defense then drop back and toss it to a streaking hall up the other side of the field. or even just toss a deep ball or 2. keep MSU honest.

I am not sure about exotic plays with a rookie QB. he is good on the shovel passes (from what I saw a world better as a freshman then Pryor was) but he might not know how to run those plays yet. Remember, they might need to keep things a bit vanilla for Brax to learn as he goes. I think it might be a mistake to throw too many plays at him. He isn't Troy yet.

 

 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Squirrel Master's picture

wait, I forgot he did run the read option in high school so he probably knows the playbook better than I thought. Whatever they do, they need to keep him upright and making plays.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Buckeyejason's picture

Michigan State leads the country in total defense? Grrrreeeaaattt. That should be fun to watch seeing that we have probably one of the worst offenses in the country.

The Jordan Hall wild cat idea seems fine and all but they are going to stack the box knowing he won't throw it so its not going to be as effective.

BUCKEYES BABY!

RBuck's picture

Just the other day I read somewhere that Sparty was young and suspect on defense. Shoots that hope down.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

timdogdad's picture

msu gave up 45+ to bama in the bowl game. i doubt their d has improved that much. it's just the competition. playiing cupcakes at the beginning of the season just skews stats.  if we played e mich and ysu instead of the u and toledo, we would have better stats.  reality check-is the msu d better than ours? even though we had to replace 7 starters?  doubt it.     

btalbert25's picture

Notre Dame put more than 30 on them right?   Although, I don't know their D has to be as good as the Buckeye D to win this game.  Our offense isn't competent at all.  We could just make their total defense stats look better.  We aren't exactly running Ingram and Peterson at them, or tossing to Julio Jones.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

To say that "our offense isn't competent at all" is an overstatement. The Buckeyes run game, especially with Braxton under center, is already pretty effective and has the potential to be very good. The OL is solid at run blocking, not quite as strong yet in pass protection.

Keep in mind that MSU built its defensive stats so far this year against bad offenses. ND outrushed them like 130 yds to 30, or something. MSU held the ball much of that game, while playing behind, using dink and dunk passes, or else ND would have run for even more. Both of ND's RBs ran for more than 4.0 yds per carry against MSU (one of them was over 5.0). 

Last year, MSU won several BT games even when they got outrushed, because of Cousins and their WRs as well as their special teams, and that was when they had a veteran OL and their celebrated LB corps. They got exposed on the road against Iowa and were completely manhandled by Bama in the bowl game.

This year, they have an inexperienced OL and their special teams have gone down considerably. Their youngish DL looks a year better, but they lost the stud LBs. Basically, if Ohio State can contain Cousins, don't turn it over, and the Buckeyes inconsistent LBs can step up, their advantages in the run game and special teams should be enough to handle Sparty at home.    

btalbert25's picture

I guess, I just don't know how good the offense can be at this point since, this offense has yet to play a good defensive team.  Let's face it, Colorado was a step up from Akron and a step down from Toledo(who I'm not convinced is as good as everyone else seems to think).  Miami was solid, but they aren't really a good team either. I'm just not sure last week was a good indication of what we can expect from this offense next week.  Ohio State just outclassed the competition immensely.  That won't be the case this week.  I'm not saying it's a definite loss, I'm just saying this is probably the best defense we've played to this point, and wouldn't be surprised to see a very anemic offense this Saturday.

 

Buckeyejason's picture

I have the same feeling, the bad thing is we go from playing the best defense that we've seen so far in MSU to probably the best defense we'll face all year..or at least the most athletic with star power on it(Crick, David) the week after in Nebraska.

Here's where having a creative game plan means a lot these next two coming weeks.

BUCKEYES BABY!

btalbert25's picture

We are kind of in a dangerous part of season here.  I worry 2 losses, especially if the team just looks overmatched, will result in a football team with a damaged psyche.  They'll get a nice shot in the arm with Adams, Boom, and Posey coming back for sure, and that's going to help a lot from a leadership perspective.  I just worry that back to back losses, and an inexperienced head coach, with all these young guys, the season could really tumble quickly.

At the same time a win, or 2 wins, or 2 close losses, maybe the team goes on a nice run to end the year.  These next 2 games could really impact the rest of the season. 

timdogdad's picture

i know it's hard to look ahead though the whole season, but if we get a win against msu and illinois, then we can afford a loss against a tough neb team on the road and wisc who luckily had a good qb out of the blue ask to play for them. they're  lucky  they don't have some red shirt frosh starting for them.  anyway after that if we can win the  rest of the games including  scum -which would weigh more than number of losses-  and finish 9-3, that would keep most fans happy.  and a citris bowl game against sec 3rd place s. carolina? get the  sec monkey technically off our  back again?   and ramp up towards 2012.   

btalbert25's picture

I agree completely. 

btalbert25's picture

I'm not crazy about the Total Defense stat anyway.  There were years where the Buckeye Defese was supposed to be way up there  in total defense, and you could just watch a team like LSU or USC play and know they had a much better D even if the total defense stat didn't reflect it.

Alex's picture

Hit their secondary often and hard

tampa buckeye's picture

You have to be one of the most negative posters on this site. ohio state is top 50 in scoring.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

+100.

But have you checked out Bofuquel's nice tidbits?   

Maestro's picture

Youngstown State put up 254 and ND 275 against MSU.

Florida Atlantic only had 48 total yards against MSU. FAU also barely topped 100 yards against Florida. Suffice it to say that FAU has a god awful offense. They actually put up 307 against Auburn................but Auburn gave up 448 to Utah State, 531 to Mississippi State and 624 to Clemson.

Sparty's other great defensive performance was against Central Michigan. They are 114th in the country in total offense.

So MSU has played the 114th and 120th ranked offenses in the country.

The Buckeyes will have to play their best offensive game of the season to win, but hey I am optimistic.

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TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Couple things about Braxton:

- Dude has a cannon. He slings the ball pretty well. I think he actually needs to work on putting just a little more touch on it.

- Timing routes aren't there yet, but that's to be expected. However, he did throw a beautiful back shoulder fade that was dropped in the endzone. Posey would have had that, as that's his bread-and-butter route, but Braxton delivered a strike. It was a pass that cannot be defend.

- He's shifty as hell and runs better between the tackles than Pryor did.

All in all, the kid is going to get better with more reps. He'll get his timing down with the guys and Posey and Brown will be back soon. Boom coming back means they can line up Hall as a receiver on occasion like they had plans to. I think this offense will look pretty good by the end of the year.

slippy's picture

That back shoulder fade wasn't that beautiful.  It had a chance, but it ended up being more of a middle-of-the-chest fade than a back shoulder.  Gave the defender a play on it.

AltaBuck's picture

The QB is coached to throw it at the pylon, and you are right, the pass was too inside. Plus, Devon did not run a very good route. He kept moving towards the back of the endzone. He needs to break towards the pylon. 

Think Robiskie's TD vs UM '06.

I have been known on occasion to howl at the moon. - Crash Davis

Squirrel Master's picture

Devin didn't do anything wrong and Miller did throw a pretty decent pass. It was there wasn't it? The defender made a heck of a play, even from his knees.

I swear if Braxton didn't try to be too shifty and keep running into his own players he would have busted a few for touchdowns. They need to develop a play which opens up enough room for Braxton to just fly right by everyone. He was just about to hit his stride when an O-lineman kept getting in his way. must have happened at lesst 5 times!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

btalbert25's picture

They need to run Posey out of the Wildcat when he gets back.  He's fast, and he threw the best ball of an QB I've seen since Troy.  His TD pass last year was a thing of beauty.  Could you imagine, a wildcat QB that actually will throw the ball?

Poe McKnoe's picture

Denard Robinson? Just kidding, he can't throw the ball.

flipbuckeye's picture

Thanks, spit my drink all over my screen.

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

I went to high school with DeVier and Julian. DeVier was a frosh when I was a senior and they originally had DeVier playing QB for the freshman team before converting him to wideout fulltime. He can throw a good football. He played QB in middle school too.

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Also, the awesome thing about DeVier's TD pass last year was that he CHECKED DOWN. He didn't throw it to his primary receiver and instead went to Sanzenbacher. Great judgment on his part.

RoweTrain's picture

I believe the pass you are referencing was actually in 2009 against New Mexico State.  Not a huge difference as it was still a very nice throw.

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

You're right. That was the one. My memory usually serves me better when it comes to the Buckeyes, but creampuff games can kind of run together for me.

thorvath22's picture

You mean like Jordan Hall?

BoFuquel's picture

The kid's alright, let him play and give next years coaching staff some video to evaluate.This is just an interim team you know.

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

Buckeyejason's picture

That's not a bad idea, but Posey isn't too shifty when he runs..which is important for a wild càt ball carrier.

Who was the guy that told me I was out of my mind when I said Devin Smith would be our best wide reciever while Posey was out?

BUCKEYES BABY!

btalbert25's picture

I still would line him up back there once in a while.  Tressel did it to surprise the other team with a pass and it worked.  He'd probably be adequate to take off once in a while, but I'm mostly use him to throw out of the Wildcat.  I'm not talking 10 times a game, I mean just throw him in there not even once a game, just to surprise the other D.  Then when people realize oh this guy is in there to pass, have him take off.

BoFuquel's picture

I wouldn't even play the tat 4. Next years staff don't need to see them it's just a waste of video.

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

RBuck's picture

Yeah you would...if it was the difference between winning and losing.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

thorvath22's picture

We're 4-1 and you're quitting? I don't care if we were 1-4 WE DON'T QUIT. We owe it to our seniors to support the team now not next year... When we stop expecting excellence every year we become mediocre and I refuse to accept mediocrity.

btalbert25's picture

It's sarcasm folks.  He's taking a shot at the group who believe, despite title, Fickell is an interim coach.

thorvath22's picture

Where does he indicate sarcasm? Fyi sarcasm does translate well on the interwebs.

Buckeyejason's picture

+ 1,000

If you won't to be sarcastic how about throw in a (sarcasim font on) for us .

BUCKEYES BABY!

btalbert25's picture

Well I figured based off comments the last couple of days, this was sarcasm. If you look at some of the comments from Ramsey's post, I think it indicates Sarcasm, not so much in this post.

Jason Priestas's picture

Do we need an official sarcasm tag? /sarcasm or something?

GoBucks713's picture

what is sarcasm?

I always use itallics for sarcasm. It works well. Especially for a word or part of the phrase you wish to place the emphasis.

-The Aristocrats!

Squirrel Master's picture

I like to use "sarcasm" myself!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

RBuck's picture

(tic), tongue in cheek.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Irricoir's picture

Kinky

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

GoBucks713's picture

 

wrong cheek IR

-The Aristocrats!

Buckeyejason's picture

Next years staff? waste of video? Dude what the hell are you talking about?

3 of the tat 4 are the best players at their position that we have on the team.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

thorvath22's picture

The guys an idiot.

Jason Priestas's picture

If -- big IF -- the Buckeyes finish 7th in the league and earn a bid to a bowl like the TicketCity, they should pull an ND and say, "No thanks, we'll sit this bowl season out."

Bowl practices are too invaluable to young teams, so I doubt they'd do that should the situation arise, but...

btalbert25's picture

What if they get a bowl ban handed to them in November. Would it be for this year or 2012, if it were a 1 year ban?  If so, would the NCAA allow them to say ya know what, we'll take that ban this year, effectively telling the Alamo, Champs sports, or Ticket City bowl now thanks anyway? 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

While the NCAA is considering that question, the NCAA should be reminded that the more powerful schools might ponder whether the NCAA should be allowed to continue raking in large amounts of money from the end-of-season bball tournament.

In the interest of self preservation, the NCAA might conclude that a bowl ban for Ohio State is not warranted. Worst case scenario: Ohio State foregoes a 2011 trip to the Ticket City bowl. Anything more draconian than that might contribute to the NCAA's day of reckoning arriving a little sooner - i.e., when that day when the NCAA is sanctioned and ordered to "sit out" all future athletic seasons.

btalbert25's picture

I'm just hoping if the bowl ban happens, and I think they may get a 1 year ban for no other reason than I just think it's going to happen, I hope it can be used this year.  In 3 or 4 weeks we'll probably know what legit chances Ohio State has for competing for a Big Ten title and what kind of bowl they'll end up in.  I hope if the NCAA says 1 year postseason ban, they'll allow the team to take it this year, so that next year with either a revamped coaching staff, or a completely new head coach and staff, and a boat load of very talented guys with a lot of experience coming back, we'll have the opportunity to be in the running for a title or at least the B1G title in 2012. 

Not to mention the positive impact it'll have on recruiting.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree. If the NCAA knows what's good for them, they will either not impose a bowl ban, or if Ohio State has a rough year and is headed toward the Ticket City bowl, will impose a somewhat token 2011 bowl ban (wink, wink). Ohio State does not deserve a bowl ban, but I could see the university playing along (to help support the alleged "reform" process) under the right (convenience to Ohio State) circumstances.

On the other hand, if the NCAA actually does anything that is significantly harmful to Ohio State - which would be very unjust, IMO - well, then, they're telling us that we should do everything in our powers to undermine the NCAA by any & every means possible.   

Rooster Buckburn's picture

"Undermine the NCAA"?  That'll fix the problem

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Well, yes. The NCAA = a problem; therefore, undermining the problem will potentially make that problem go away; if the problem goes away, it is effectively "fixed."

Glad I could help.  

Rooster Buckburn's picture

so breaking the rules, you're implying, would solve the problem?

Run_Fido_Run's picture

What are you taking about? The problem to which I keep refering is the NCAA.

The NCAA will eventually either cease to exist altogether, or will be reformed into a much different agency. If the NCAA would like to keep its current gravy train rolling as long as possible, they ought not unduly antagonize one of the railroad barrons.

If they do, though, then all true Buckeyes should assist in whatever (legal) means possible to undermine the NCAA and expedite its passage to oblivion (where it belongs).

Where do I say that "breaking the rules" solves a problem? I don't know how I can be any clearer.

Rooster Buckburn's picture

Trying to understand what you meant by 'undermining the NCAA' and just how an institution does that?

Run_Fido_Run's picture

What specifically the institution does is above my pay grade. Roughly speaking, they might do something like backroom lobbying, talking to other institutions, exploring new legal angles, etc. But that would all be "in house," not public, and I don't have experience in that field. For sake of argument, pretend that Jim Delaney held an executive position at Ohio State and that the NCAA royally pissed him off. What might Jim do? 

But I was really suggesting that different elements of Buckeye Nation would do their parts, whatever it is that they do well. For example, those of us who dabble in writing/media would take every opportunity to either (soft sell) imply things about the NCAA, or in the appropriate venues (hard sell) flat out ridicule the NCAA. There ought to be a concerted but seemingly organic & unofficial campaign to undermine the image and credibility of the NCAA - basically, strive to turn the NCAA brand into a dirty joke. This process happens in politics, of course. In the past, we might hesitate to apply such tactics to the supposedly gentleman's domain of college athletics, but if the NCAA wants to play that way, what are we to do?  

There's probably a hundred other angles we might pursue, if we the NCAA "invites" us to tap into our creative capacities.   

Denny's picture

This is the NCAA, Smokey - not Nam. There are rules.

Taquitos.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Is your non sequitur directed at me? Why are you blathering about 'Nam? If you're trying to insult me, you might do more damage if your barbs are at least semi-coherent.

Yes, I'm fully aware that the corrupt, seemingly all-powerful, but actually quite fragile, NCAA has a 2,000 page rule book. I'm saying that the rules governing cfb should either be overseen by another governing body, or the NCAA should be drastically reformed.

To clarify: no, I'm not convinced that the NCAA is immortal. The NCAA's authority is built on weak foundations and it ultimately serves at the whim of its member institutions.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Keep up the good work, Jimmy Breslin.

Denny's picture

Does that book have a section on how to properly read threaded comments.

Taquitos.

btalbert25's picture

Do the bowls have to follow NCAA rules?  They have their own committees and act as separate entities right?  Couldn't they just say, who cares what you all think, and invite a team and allow them to play anyway?  Maybe that undermines the NCAA more than anything else.  If a team like Ohio State were to accept such an invite, what could the NCAA do, ban the largest athletic department in the country?  Maybe others like Tennessee or UNC tells them to stick it too. 

Rooster Buckburn's picture

I'm going to go out on a fairly sturdy limb and say there isn't going to be any bowl ban - nor do I think there is any way on God's green earth that this team will drop to a 7th place finish.

btalbert25's picture

I don't think they'll be in 7th either, but I don't  think 4-6 is out of the realm of possibility which would bring on a bowl that is barely more presitgious than the Ticket City Bowl. The B1G could be a 1 BCS bowl conference this year, which at 4th would bring what, the Gator or Alamo bowl?

Irricoir's picture

The author looks like Al Golden

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

If the Buckeyes win on Saturday, no matter how ugly, we should immediately call a six-day moratorium on any & all excessive negativity, subject to extension upon a successful trip to Nebraska.    

GoBucks713's picture

+ 2866

-The Aristocrats!

joel121270's picture

Absolutely Agree with this one...I feel like I am at other sites anymore with all the negativity and arm chair quarterbacks. Then again, I never was at this site during football season so I guess it is what it is. People should just be happy we won and hope we improve each week...I know that won't ever happen but just sayin...hell we could be lured into another false sense of security like they are right now with TSUN.

 

Just sayn....

Buckeyejason's picture

I'm cool with that. If we win saturday I'll have a hell of a lot more confidence than I had before.

BUCKEYES BABY!

BoFuquel's picture

An interim coaching staff is put in place to prepare for the next, the TAT 4 won't be around. That's not doing the job you were hired to do.You have an obligation to do the job you are hired to do , no matter the cost to you personally.It's in any cotract you sign it called fiduciary responsiblity. You can go to jail if you fail to live up to said resposibilituy.

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

Bucks's picture

Maybe we should just take the year off? Remove all seniors from any playing time since they won't be around. Juniors will be around too so we might want to think about removing them from playing just to prevent any major injuries that could affect their future.

Lordie ppl. The negativity is just absurb.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

In an effort to bridge the gap between the negative nellies and the delusional optimists (like me), I'm going to make one semi-negative, snarky comment: sorry, I realize that the Buckeyes have to keep defenses guessing and thus cannot have certain RBs only run certain types of plays on certain downs-and-distances; neverthless, running draw plays on 3rd and 13 with Carlos Hyde probably is not going to work very often.

Okay, I'm now going to put my rose-colored glasses back on . . .  

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

so..from what i'm reading...no one is giving Fickell a chance after this year huh? jesus, people

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I give him a chance. If the team shows progress throughout the season and they beat TTUN, he will have a good shot at keeping the job.

It's not necessarily about a certain number of wins. If they go 6-1, which would be fantastic, but then hit a wall and lose 2 games down the stretch, including to TTUN, he'd probably be fighting for his job; whereas, if they lose 3 out of the next 4, but finish very strongly, that might actually bode better for his chances.

BoFuquel's picture

No give a contract, and pay the man more than a stinkin' sweat shop wage.

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

Mr. Slick's picture

Regarding the Toledo Syracuse thing.... didn't Toledo ask that the game be vacated?  Which I think is way different than giving the win.  Clearly, you can not give a team that officially lost the game a win for it, but I think I've seen somewhere (?) that games actually can be vacated. 

Anyone?

NW Buckeye's picture

Yes, they asked that it be vacated.  Still doesn't make much difference.  If the conferences / NCAA were to start down that slippery slope imagine the requests that would follow.  The best that we can hope for is that mistaken refs admit their mistakes (in this case they did), learn from their mistakes (the jury is still out on this one), and move on.   Too bad, so sad for Toledo. 

Buckeyejason's picture

You think people are negative here, go check out the Bucknuts forums.

This site has no negative folks compared to that site. Its like night and day.

BUCKEYES BABY!

joel121270's picture

That was the one I was referring to...good call!

btalbert25's picture

Being realistic is not the same as being negative.  Not thinking Fickell should be handed a 2 million dollar contract, doesn't mean I hate Fickell. 

There have been bright spots on this team, and I've acknowledged as much.  I do think this is an incompetent offense.  We have 2 QB's who aren't great passers.  Braxton WILL get there, and is phenominal on his feet.  We have had good O-Line play so far.  Jordan Hall is much better than I ever expected him to be.  Carlos Hyde has been impressive.  Devon Smith is going to be a stud.  Right now though, we have a lot of WR's and RB's for that matter who like to drop balls that are thrown right to them.  A lot of these things will be most likely be ironed out as the season goes on, but we can't depend on that or comment on what may happen, only what is happening.

When I watched the Toledo game, I said man this is not a very good team and Toledo is not that good.  Immediately, everyone said Toledo is pretty darn good.  Not matter if they played Boise tough or not, Boise still beat the hell out of them pretty bad by final score, and then of course Syracuse beat them as well.  Sure they got screwed, but does a good team even have a close game with the Cuse? Probably not.  Pointing out that Toledo isn't that great and that game wasn't that great, some how makes you negative nellie or whatever name you want to use.

Also, I absolutely think, whether this team is a little better than expected or not, there should be a coaching search after the season.  Why not have an interview process and actually ask Luke what his vision for this team is if he were allowed to put his own staff in place.  Then also consider everyone else?  Handing the guy a 3 year 2 million dollar contract just because he used to play for Ohio State just makes no sense to me. 

I think he's in over his head, so do many other people, it doesn't mean we don't think he can improve or that he won't improve, or that we don't want him to improve.  We are commenting on right NOW.  I wanted the guy to Waltz in here and from the get go (wins or losses) put his stamp on this team.  Let the team show his attitude and intensity, lets let him make decisions and own up to them.  To this point, it hasn't happened.  Maybe it's starting to turn now, lesson learned, great. 

I don't think Ohio State is guarrentteed to lose any games.  I think the next couple of games are going to be extremely difficult.  Wisconsin, is one of the best teams in America, it's not going to be easy either.  Do I think they probably lose 2 or 3 of those games, yeah I do.  Do I want them to win and think they can improve and win, absolutely.  If that makes me negative, GUILTY AS CHARGED then. 

I'm not the kind of fan that just blindly says, this team will go undefeated every year because we are Ohio State and that's what we do.  I'm always optimistic this team has a chance to win, and I rarely pick the other team to win against the Buckeyes, but when I do, I'm usually right.  I think this weekend they can and probably will pull it out.  I think with TP they would've struggled in Lincoln, and we know how tough Wisconsin always is.  Am I negative?  No not at all, and I think many who have just expressed some realistic expectations have been wrongfully accused as well.  I'm just not the type of fan who says Buckeyes by 4 TD's every week either. 

Buckeyejason's picture

BTalbert25 just calls it like he see's it. He's not a blind homer like a lot of people on here who only see the positive plays in the game and erase the negative ones in their brains.

BUCKEYES BABY!

btalbert25's picture

It's not either or though, that's kind of the point of my extremely long post.  You can be a homer who loves your team and also think they probably lose a game.  You can be happy your team won, but also see that they didn't play well.  People did this during the last regime, now it's taboo to do so.

There are definitely some negative folks out there.  People who are "fans" but almost happy when the team loses or the coach fails so they can say, "Told ya"  That is definitely not me.

There are also people who are typically more optimistic who aren't "blind homers"  It's not one of the other.  I'm typically more along the optimist side, but this season I've not attached expectations to this team.  They've lost too much for me to demand 9 or 10 wins.  They've got a lot of really young guys playing in really important places.  I'm a little more critical than I was in the past because, in the past we knew ok JT is capable of pulling this team through.  Or even if TP wasn't a great passer, he had been around for quite a while, and the guy won games on his own.  We don't know what we have yet.  I think this team can win games it's not supposed to, but I also think this team could slip up and IU pulls an upset or maybe the mid pack type teams like  PSU or Illinois could win the games. 

Past years there were 1 or 2 games total where you would say, the team could lose this game.  That was it.  This year you point to the schedule and look around and there are several of those games on the schedule, if you are realistic, you can see that.  It's been what 11 years since that was the case.  Maybe the Alamo bowl year.  It's hard for some to look at things that way, when we are used to so much success the last decade.

BoFuquel's picture

I agree BTALBERT25 . As for negativaty, what I say or what you say here or anywhere else don't mean squat.You guys have way over inflated egos.No body reads this stuff but us idiots, who don't have anything better to do with oru time.When was the last time anyone in an ivory tower called for your opinion, it ain't happened to me lately.You can judge this audiance by one thing.Say something really stupid and see what kind of stupid response you recieve.

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

btalbert25's picture

One thing I'll say in response, is this has always been a really good board to come discuss your opinions and even when we didn't agree it was mostly pretty respectful. Two things have contributed to this site being more widely viewed.  I think the quality of the content these guys and gals put out is phenominal, and  I think with all the trouble the Buckeyes saw this offseason, there have been a lot of new comers to the site.  Basically, this site has not often been a place where people come on and say a bunch of stupid shit to illicit stupid responses.

Irricoir and I rarely agree on much but we've been friendly with eachother the last year.  We'd probably have a beer and get along just fine at Eat Tu Brutus.  We rarely agree but respect eachother's opinions.

You are right it's the internet and a place to waste some time when we are slow at work or bored.  However, it's been a nice place to come and talk about something we all love, whether we agree or not.  Only recently do you get called names and treated like something is wrong with you simply because you disagree with someone else.

Squirrel Master's picture

That is what is great about being able to comment on a website we all read. We get to share our opinions which is more than most get a chance to do. I think it is time for us to stop lashing out at each other and talk about what brings us together the most. BUCKEYE FOOTBALL and basketball. Recent events have made it tough to be a fan and we all have shown our frustration over the past 9 months.

I think we need to all keep in mind a few things:

1. What happened happened and this team will have to make due with what it can. Its hard to be a winning team when you have a large turnover because of suspensions, injuries and graduation. just keep this in mind, at least we aren't TSUN.

2. This team is young. There is going to be some growing pains. We just need to deal with it and keep the rose colored sunglasses on til they get the necessary experience.

3. Bollman. Not saying he needs to get fired but he needs to no longer run that offense. Its the one constant in all the offensive problems.

as for a waste of time and space, I enjoy this as something like a good book or tv show. How I entertain myself shouldn't have a label on it.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Nappy's picture

Maybe this is the Redditor in me talking but I think an upvote/downvote option on comments would be great.  This would allow people to downvote comments that don't fit 11W and prove as an example of what is and is not generally accepted.  I read this site daily and it has become my sole source for OSU news, and although some of the arguments I read on here are hilarious, we all generally want the same thing. 

Fan of bacon since 1981

Jason Priestas's picture

Here, have an upboat.

Nappy's picture

Fan of bacon since 1981

Colin's picture

And then maybe we can start including humorous meme pictures. But seriously, we do occasionally need to add a little something to lighten the moods...people have been depressing over here lately. But maybe that's just because I'm practically a child to most of the readers here and immature enough to want goofy stuff.