The Dorhmann SI Piece is Up

By Jason Priestas on May 30, 2011 at 9:00p
106 Comments

A rundown:

  • Tressel (allegedly) used to rig football camp raffles while an assistant at Ohio State in the 80s.
  • The merch-for-tattoo operation was pretty widespread (according to witnesses with checkered pasts). In addition to former players, nine current players were said to have received tattoos in echange for personal property. They are: defensive back C.J. Barnett, linebacker Dorian Bell, running back Jaamal Berry, running back Bo DeLande, defensive back Zach Domicone, linebacker Storm Klein, linebacker Etienne Sabino, defensive tackle John Simon and defensive end Nathan Williams. Ohio State and the NCAA must investigate these cases.
  • Pryor may or may not have driven eight cars during his three seasons at Ohio State.
  • Rob Rose and Jermil Martin sang, but TJ Downing did not (little surprised, honestly).
  • Are we missing anything?
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William's picture

So now Sabino, Barnett, Berry, Williams, Bell and Simon all supposedly traded memorabilia too?

NeARBuckeye's picture

Fuck me. There goes the defense.

poguemahone's picture

Well, Bell isn't around anymore and Berry's an offensive player. So that's... good?

NeARBuckeye's picture

"Those players were defensive back C.J. Barnett, linebacker Dorian Bell, running back Jaamal Berry, running back Bo DeLande, defensive back Zach Domicone, linebacker Storm Klein, linebacker Etienne Sabino, defensive tackle John Simon and defensive end Nathan Williams."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/magazine/05/30/jim.tressel/index.h...

poguemahone's picture

Uh yeah, I read that part. Bell isn't on the team and Berry isn't on defense. But I was agreeing with you anyway.

NeARBuckeye's picture

I misread what you posted. 

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I though there were pictures of TP doing bong hits with Miley Cyrus?

Denny's picture

Just T-Peezy being T-Peezy.

Taquitos.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

So now Tressel cheats people at raffles?

Really?

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Backup Placekick holder's picture

yeah - i think that is really a tasteless part of the article.  One source, no names, Not good journalism.

Denny's picture

Dohrmann was talking like he was ready to pull out a 12-incher. Instead, everyone's saying 'is it in'?

There's nothing really binding at all in that piece. Mostly condemnation by association.

Taquitos.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Here say, right? No proof?

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

Agreed.

A bunch of (SI was unable to reach him) and (He refused to comment).

William's picture

Post of the year Denny.

Jason Priestas's picture

Color me underwhelmed.

There is definitely a culture of non-compliance at the player level but I guess I was expecting something a bit more... sinister?

Backup Placekick holder's picture

There is nothing there.  Everyone knows the players somehow get nice cars, all the schools have that "problem".  So the boys hung out, drank, smoked, sold the stuff for tats.  Nothing new.

I think the author could look at any university and coach and find the same (or more) issues.  I don't believe there is enough to end the man's career over.  The kids are still kids and do stupid sh!t.

The stuff about Issac getting out of ticket ... really? who hasn't tried to weasle out of a ticket using anyone that might have pull.  And the piece about cheating high school kids - give me a break!

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

He didnt get out of the ticket--he earned his way out.  He had to read a book and write a paper. 

I've paid a few tickets in my time and didn't get the benefit of any life lessons as a result. 

:)

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Just in:

While at YSU, Tressel dug the well in which baby Baby Jessica fell down.

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BuckeyeChief's picture

Also, the second gunman on the grassy knoll.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Word on the street is he shot Tony Soprano too.

Dont stop believin'

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Nerkbuckeye's picture

...and the 21st hijacker

BuckeyeChief's picture

Yawn.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

NoVA Buckeye's picture

They say OSU will not lose scholarships because they got rid of Tressel, but however, USC got rid of Carroll and lost scholarships, so that obviously means nothing.

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

USC didn't get rid of Crooked Nose.  He jumped ship when he saw the NCAA hammer coming.

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

IMO...pre-mature ejaculation on SI's part.

Where is the story? It is all a bunch of "Allegedly" and "He said/She said"

RC's picture

Sounds like a bitter ex-coach who never got his shot he probably thought he deserved.

This guy won a Pulitzer?

Nerkbuckeye's picture

Actually-- I think you read that wrong--he won the Putz Award

RC's picture

Sorry, this was supposed to be posted in response to the raffle ticket thing.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

A few questions:

Was tOSU scared of this article enough to call for the resignation of Tressel? When Dohrman was acting all indignant via Twitter earlier about claims the timing had nothing to do with his piece, I was a little nervous.  Truth is, I thought it was a little suspect. 

Now the article is out, its underwhelming in many aspects, and now I gotta know, whats the deal with putting the resignation out there now? 

Maybe they thought SI knew something they really didnt.  Just doesnt make a lot of sense right now.

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Pam's picture

My boyfriend rigged a raffle.  And I wrote him all those nice emails

Backup Placekick holder's picture

My boss got me out of a speeding ticket once.  I wonder if he will lose his job?

GoBucks713's picture

Two words: EFFF, FIVE

-The Aristocrats!

JakeBuckeye's picture

Ummm did I miss something "HUUUUUGEEE" in that article? Busted up at the raffle scandal section. That was truly hilarious.

/rafflegate

Nerkbuckeye's picture

Talk about piling on!!  I'm surprised he didn't mention the time Tressel filled a burlap bag with puppies and threw them in the pond!!!!  Or when he stole his grandma's purse to have money for the local whore house.

He didn't bring up the rumor that some of the players may have been mastarbating.

This guy takes the real problem we have seen lately and drags up every allegation and rumor since WWII. Haven't these past events been vetted and dealt with? Shouldn't he be down in the SEC and investigating all the shenanigans down south?

Unfortunately--coaches can't police the boosters-- but the players should.

How can you win championships without recruiting thugs?

Why do these people feel it necessary to pile on?

 

AJ's picture

JT was forced to resign for a reason...and it was more than lying

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Backup Placekick holder's picture

11W - anyway you can put together an article about all the people Coach has gone the extra mile for, purchased equipment for, helped in a time of need? 

I have read many over my 20 years of following Coach.  Now all I read is this kind of garbage.

 

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Was waiting to see if someone's mother was living in a 300K house or that their father went all pre-civil war and auctioned off his son.

Oh, yeah.  The RaffleMaster.  I forgot.

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Nerkbuckeye's picture

You would have to go a little further south to investigate that -- I won't mention any names--but he won the Heisman and a National Championship-- but that didn't have anything to do with the lack of investigating by the NCAA--it was just all rumorr and speculation, right?............

Chris Lauderback's picture

I'm having a hard time being as relieved as the rest of the buckeye universe. True, there's no huge smoking gun but won't this just unleash another batch of individual investigations by a million other journalists? I mean, it's naive to believe none of this trading merch for tats is true no matter how stupid the rule against it and now people are just gonna keep digging right? Might it just be a matter of time before one of them comes up with some actual proof?

AJ's picture

thank you! i just said that, except not as well said...

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I for one and trying to see the silver lining.  This is not some complicated hiddlen society of improper benefits. 

If this is happening at tOSU, its happening elsewhere.  Not using this as an excuse for our program, but as a catalyst for looking at the ENTIRE picture of college football. 

Like I said before, maybe the worst thing to happen to tOSU football is the best thing for college football in general.  Lets get the totality of the problem on the table--players need to be compensated.  Why dont you just allow them to receive whatever ever financial aid they would normally qualify for?  Seems simple.

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AJ's picture

i would have to agree with colin herd on the players being compensated deal...ill try to find the link so i dont have to write it out.

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

All I hear in opposition is that there is no way to fairly distribute funds amongst programs.  Why deal with it on a program level.  If you are qualified for a Pell grant, take the amount you would receive a just a simple college student, then subtract what the scholly pays for, and give the balance.

Everyone keeps talking about what players get because they are players.  How about we start a dialogue about what they are denied as a result.

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AJ's picture

not every school has the money to pay EVERY college male and female athlete

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Not EVERY male and female college athlete is eligible for financial aid.  Thats my point.

 

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osujake9's picture

I don't see why EVERY college male and female athlete should get the same amount of money. Base it on how much their sport brings in.

AJ's picture

so then TP would get more then the 3rd string kicker?

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

osujake9's picture

I clearly said base it on what their sport brings in. Football team brings in X amt of dollars for university, so player's get a certain % divided amongst them.

Denny's picture

Pretty sure Title IX stands in the way of this, and that's probably a rabbit hole we don't want to dive into if we're going to have a reasonable conversation about this sort of thing.

Taquitos.

osujake9's picture

I get it...but it seems stupid. The reason I say split it based on what the sport brings in is to get around Title IX. I'm no expert but, I imagine that Title IX is supposed to allow the same opportunities for women in sports that men in sports have. Well this isn't exactly not giving them the same opportunites because if their sport started bringing in money then they would get more in return. Plus there would be plenty of male sports that would be in the same boat. 

Denny's picture

'Well this isn't exactly not giving them the same opportunites because if their sport started bringing in money then they would get more in return.'

I get what you're saying, but there's no way to do this and sustain the other programs (especially women's programs). It'd incentivize the 'prestige' sports to an even further extent, and a lot of the ancillary programs that OSU has (hello, pistol team) would wither on the vine and die off - and if this happens to women's teams, it'll have to happen to men's teams in order to comply with title IX. I know that's not the aim, but it'd be the reality of the situation.

It's not exactly the same as saying 'well if you wanted to have nicer things you should have just been born richer', but it's of a similar ilk. 

Taquitos.

osujake9's picture

I def. get what you're saying and you're probably right. But, there aren't too many women that can pick what sport they want to play at the college level. The pistol team is still getting a college scholarship(at least i think?) and I'm willing to bet none could have decided to play soccer(just an ex.) at college instead. My point is that just because 'prestige' sports would bring in more money doesn't necessarily mean that athletes will stop playing the ones that don't.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Not if they both qualified for the same amount of financial aid. 

Look, I am 180K in debt for school=two B.S. and an M.S. I took the max amounts each year because I had to support my step-father and mother after she lost her job and he lost his leg to diabetes.  The point is, financial aid recognizes there are living expenses for any person beyond books, rent, tuition and a food card. 

No way to come up with a fair solution until it is recognized as a legit problem.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

AJ's picture

ya your right a fair solution would be the biggest problem...but i dont believe there has been a student athlete on a full ride to ever leave college in debt 180k

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I think the 'full ride' is the problem--its not all that full.  My point is saying how in debt I am is to illustrate that money is available for those who qualify in great amounts.  The problem is that the presence of a 'full ride' disqualifies them from aid, and thus the opportunity any other financially needy student has to borrow for school/life expenses.

Maybe if the school were allowed to compensate the players the money they would have been eligible for as a regular student, a majority of these things would be remedied. Maybe chancing your eligibility for $500 bucks isnt so attractive. Or getting someone to pay your cell phone bill.  Or selling your championship ring.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Brutus's picture

I am absolutely relieved. True, this article means that there will be more investigations and more player suspensions and more negative publicity.  But I don't care about any of that right now.  This may sound corny, but what I care about is Jim Tressel.  It's been said many times today that no one man is bigger than the program.  That's true and the program will definitely recover from this in time.  But it's going to be much more difficult for Tressel to recover from this.  I've never met the man but I have the utmost respect and admiration for him.  The worst part about this for me is not the prospect of watching the program crumble over the next few years, it's having to doubt everything I grew to believe about Tressel.  This article did nothing to make me believe that Tressel deserves what he's been put through today alone (in the media anyway).  He lied and should be punished.  I would have been OK if OSU decided to fire him right away.  I would have been OK if the Committee on Infractions decided to add games to his suspension or rule a show cause.  I'm not OK with suspending him for two games, then five games, then OSU slowly starting to backpedal in their support, and finally forcing him to resign.  At least not with the information we currently have available.  I really believe there is more to this story and this is based on nothing but speculation at this point.  If I find out more, I will share.  As I wrote in an earlier post, I would almost rather learn that Tressel committed other violations and lied at the expense of exposing him as a phony and a hypocrite.  At least then I would feel like the final outcome was justified.

AJ's picture

maybe im crazy but even if this is all just hearsay wont that mean more digging...and i promise you if they dig hard enough they are going to find more...you always do...

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

OHIOinME's picture

The whole SI article is all speculative that JT knew.  Sure as the captian of the ship JT should have known.  But as a Sergeant in the Marines, I know it is impossible to know everything that goes one until someone gets cought.

 

BuckeyeChief's picture

"But as a Sergeant in the Marines, I know it is impossible to know everything that goes one until someone gets cought."

 

Man, don't you hate that?

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Someone said Simon came in with Two tats and that's all he has..questioning the reliability of source?

Chris Lauderback's picture

I think I read Scott Sika said that.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Yes. Thanks. Also saw someone report Berry and Bell denied any wrong doing.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Nate Williams also denying it.

Chris Lauderback's picture

I guess its possible they could've traded swag for money instead of tats.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Just caught that it said or money.....

Brutus's picture

Holy shit, that was a lot of nothing.  I literally could have written 2/3 of that article with the information that has been out there since December, and most of it came out this past week.  The part about the raffle was fucking ridiculous.  "That's Jim Tressel!"  And SI even cites Titus' blog post as some sort of hard evidence.  Such lazy journalism.  SI obviously dug hard with the tattoo parlor stuff but all they uncovered was that a bunch more players got free tats.  First, not surprised at all.  Second, how does this implicate Tressel?  Why is Tressel supposed to know where his players get tattoos and how much they paid for them? 

This article was such a letdown.  I was prepared to read something which would make me think of Tressel as a fraud.  Those who haven't been following OSU and Treseel will read this and be shocked/appalled/indignant, but it contains no new, relevant information, at least as far as Tressel's firing/resignation goes.

I have to believe that there is more to his resignation than we have heard.  The OSU investigation must have revealed something else which directly implicates Tressel: another email or another lie or something.  There is no way that the OSU athletic department thought that something in this article warranted Tressel's forced resignation. 

 

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Tress resigning is the letdown, bogus SI article gives us something to make fun of...

Denny's picture

I'm kind of surprised that Irizarry didn't sing, though I think Tress may have helped him out in getting on the team at YSU after his legal trouble was through.

Taquitos.

Colby3333's picture

witch hunt.....produces nothing

Nerkbuckeye's picture

I guess the Sanhedrin is now off the hook--

The rumor is Tressel crucified Jesus

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

So we all still need to be freaked out because the school must have found something?

cal3713's picture

This is basically what I was just thinking.  So, the SI article didn't provide anything, but there's the new mystery Pryor situation that's apparently so bad that I'm supposed to take on faith that he'll never play again.  Someone's holding out some details on that....

M Man's picture

What a shit-pile of nothing.  I used to respect Sports Illustrated.  I can't remember exactly when it was, that I respected Sports Illustrated.  I think it was 1958. 

William's picture

Completely agree. M-Man, pretty sure you are the classiest and most hilarious Michigan fan to grace the internet.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

You should change the poll to read "now that the SI article is out"....

bstadnik's picture

WTF?? This is the biggest bullshit story since G.W. Bush declared "Mission Accomplished"

Brian

Go Bucks!

NeARBuckeye's picture

Off topic, but I love Brian Rolle.

rolly_polly36
"@TJWASH5 lmao I got a free tattoo on my butt crack and I'm gone show the world and let the haters kiss it lmao (no homo)"

wiz khalifa's picture

wait so TpeezyJew still never gonna play again after the article proved nothing?

BuckeyeChief's picture

Good, positive article on OUR behalf @ ESPN: http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?w=1aokd&storyId=6607685&i=TOP

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Amen in spades.

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BTwrestle04's picture

Desmond Howard's tweets are making my eyes hurt. What a piece of shit he is.

William's picture

Just saw his twitter too. What a shitstain on society.

Type G's picture

Yeah, what a letdown of an article. The Tressel raffling bit was the only "damaging" info, but had probably the least amount of evidence to back it up out of the entire piece. Complete bullshit.

Let's not forget that SI was the one who anointed LeBron as "The Chosen One." That right there will tell you all you need to know about the sad state of "journalism" in this country. All hype and no substance.

Like with a lot of things in life, there's lots of gray area in this whole shitty situation Ohio State is in, which is why I can't crucify any one player (Pryor seems like a popular choice now) or Tressel.

"No time for love, Doctah Jones!"

poop's picture

The allegation that Jermile Martin exchanged tickets for vehicles would be devastating if true. I think that was the worst of it. The rest was a more indepth version of the Tatgate story Yahoo released. SI, although I lost a bit of respect for them after this, might have been correct in dubbing LeBron the chosen one. I hate him but he's a goddamn beast on the court.

Type G's picture

Of recent memory I only know of two people that have been dubbed "The Chosen One," LeBron and Obama. Both have failed to live up to the hype, but I'm biased as I hate both of those losers haha. To be fair though, LeBron is worlds better now that he has a more consistent jumper, but he is still nowhere near Chosen One status and he never will be.

"No time for love, Doctah Jones!"

JakeBuckeye's picture

I laughed out loud reading about the raffles. I'm sorry, maybe I was the only one who found that silly.

Type G's picture

It was definitely very random. Oh, and Jim Tressel also takes kids' hard earned, grass mowing money through a rigged raffle. *scratches head* Umm... can we file that one under the disgruntled source section?

"No time for love, Doctah Jones!"

Silver Shotgun's picture

Nothing here, eh?  Well, I think that the fact that the circumstances surrounding tatgate have been in place for virtually the entirety of Jim Tressel's tenure here, and that Tressel's history of questionable contact goes back decades counts as more than "nothing", but whatever.  This kind of ridiculous attitude is what got us into this mess.  Do you think Jim Tressel resigned for no reason?  The guy has contributed to a disaster that will take the program years to recover from, and STILL he gets nothing but support on these boards.

You're right guys.  The important lesson here is the "sloppy journalism" of Sports Illustrated, and not the crushing malfeasance perpatrated by our fraud of a coach.

Type G's picture

Well, I think everyone was just expecting some new, mind blowing, end of the world allegations that SI seemed to hint at with their "investigation." Their article didn't provide much of that.

"No time for love, Doctah Jones!"

Type G's picture

However, I did learn that those tattoo parlors the players frequented seemed pretty fun, ya know, with the whole man cave thing and catering to your every desire type of deal :O

"No time for love, Doctah Jones!"

JakeBuckeye's picture

S.I. basically copied an ESPN article from 7 years ago. Oh wait, forgot about rafflegate! That's a huge one.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

+1. Very well said.

Nerkbuckeye's picture

You may think me naive--but I believe you could go to 20 other NCAA schools, football or basketball, and if you pulled down their pants and inspected THEIR "private parts", you'd find the same type of things going on--maybe worse.

Do you actually believe that tOSU is the only place in the country that this type of stuff goes on? Are we are suppose to stand here and just let everyone shit on us when many others have the same stink and its just being covered with a little perfume? Do you really think that tOSU and Tressel are the only ones recruiting jack-ass thugs? Boosters are only stupid pricks in Ohio? The boys of the south and their boosters are as fricken' clean as the wind driven snow?

Yes-- its is some bad shit--but you can't just lay down and let the hypocrites drive you into the ground because tOSU's ox is being gored.

The only reason other schools are not scared right now is because they know the NCAA can't walk and chew gum at the same time. I'm sure the NCAA are quite pleased with themselves that they have tOSU to slap around and other schools are wiping their brow knowing the NCAA is busy with Sweater Vest.

Is this of Tressel and the players own making? Damn right it is--but we are Buckeyes and although I do not approve of any of the shit going down-- I will defend Buckeye Nation--even if others will not.

spqr2008's picture

Time for the NCAA to move on down the road... to Alabama.  Time for Auburn to get what's coming to them.

NeARBuckeye's picture

I just don't know what lengths you should be going to in order to make sure that improper benefits aren't happening. Should we be paying a team of people to audit college kids IRS style?

I'm not going to defend these kids, in the eyes of the NCAA they were wrong. But I just don't know how you're supposed to police this effectively. At some point, you're just not going to be able to know what's going on without asking highly invasive questions. And yeah, doing that might reveal the handful of guys that are violating major NCAA rules, but you'd end up alienating the guys who are sticking to the rules and doing right by their team. 

1. Hey nice tattoo/car/hooker/snuggie, where'd you get it?
2. Oh really, how much?
3. For real? Did you get hooked up?
4. Yeah? How?
5. How'd you pay for it?
6. How long did you save? ETC

1-3 could happen in normal conversation. After that you're getting into some pretty invasive territory. To be honest you can't earn someone's trust by asking them questions like that, not to mention the deeper you dig the more likely someone is just going to lie to you (this is not based off fact, this is based off my belief that you start invading someone's personal bubble the deeper you dig and they'll say anything to get you to back off.)

All you have to do is look at BYU. They're so insane about their honor code that they invade their student athletes' privacy and end up destroying people's lives. 

I get the fact that every sport sanctioned by the NCAA has to live and operate within their guidelines, but we all know it's not a level playing field. Until the NCAA present on every campus patrolling these athletes and placing everyone under the same level of scrutiny, I don't think it's fair to define what is expected and what is humanly possible as the same thing.

spqr2008's picture

And at what point does the NCAA or investigations by the school begin to violate the student's rights as a STUDENT and as an adult citizen of the United States.  One of the most absurd parts of this whole thing to me, is that the players can not sell their personal property.  (on the jersey parts and pads, those belong to the school).  Personal property rights are hugely important to a free society which can discuss its issues and have the stability to create educational institutions where the free exchange of ideas will create new knowledge.  the NCAA fundamentally is an Anti-American institution, which cartelizes oligarchizes power in the hands of a few individuals, who mete out punishment in a biased manner.

Denny's picture

This, a lot. And just an ancillary point (not to complain that it's so much harder for us, boo hoo) - there are private institutions that are NCAA members who have a significantly higher barrier for investigations (i.e. no FOIA). The same things *could* be going on at Stanford, Northwestern, ND, BYU - and the university would have no obligation to comply with journalistic requests.

Also I just want to point out that I really would love me some hookersnuggies, were they legal.

Taquitos.

InTresselWeTrust's picture

This will be my last posting under this name.

 

While that SI article was absolutely unacceptable to me, there are in reality some things in there that could prove problematic. I say unacceptable due to the obvious lack of credibility to the claims. I don't have the total count or alluding to or claiming source but it was up there. Billing something as a major story & polluting it with a plethora of mystery men is shoddy.

I just cannot imagine JT stepping down in such close proximity to this story & or additional Dispatch confirmed investigations without either or both being directly relevant. I guess I could see Tressel himself deciding he had enough on his own, but a good majority of us know the back stories of Wexner, faltering senior admin/board support & the possibility of additional player issues. Announcing in less than 24 hours of vacation return & on Memorial Day is just bizarre.

I'm surprised to see some players saying the things they have but I'm certainly not surprised or astounded that players would be selling their gear, etc for some form of preferentional treatment. Too many of us get caught up in the industry aspect of college football & do forget there is some extreme immaturity/poor decision making.

 

Some of this could actually be bad with an additional 9 current players & 9 (i think?) former, but within the NCAA window being forthcoming with information. Keep in mind that there should be a special * for the 9 current as if this stuff is able to be proven, that is 9 additional players who lied by ommission while the t-6 were getting their hit. We know a ton of players were questioned back then, so now catching them again ... not good, not good at all.

Drug accusations (even if a misdemeanor type use) would always be incredibly bad, but i'll claim a better chance Tressel is rehired then this being proven or admitted to by relevant players.

I'd rather have lost more games, maybe not have the streak of titles & right now be dealing with never having known TP as a Buckeye. From showing in his speaking moments, to public displays of baby tantrums, to cars, to tat-gate, etc etc. He has been a constant PR issue. I also have to point this out right now. I have never enjoyed any moment really of Pryor speaking, & always cringe when I see it is about to happen. When he apologized at the conclusion of the Arkansas game (albeit poorly), I at least took some solace with that. Hard for me to keep from being enraged by thinking he was possibly doing his little speech while still knowingly being in additional violation.

 

 

Jim Tressel is a good man & someone I will always, ALWAYS look upon fondly. This man will dot the I one day & I hope I'm around to be witness to it.

 

Maestro's picture

Haters will take that and run somewhere with it, but it really was pretty much a waste of print. 

You mean the real world exists in the world of college football?  NO WAY!!!!  You mean there are football players whom you might not want your daughter to marry? NO WAY!!!!!

Ignorance is the claim of the article, and I think the author does a wonderful job of displaying it.

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btalbert25's picture

I thik this article is damning for the program. Sure it used criminals and players like small and rose, but the info in the article will lead to the compliance department and NCAA will investigate. They'll find other players. It could lead to a la k of institutional control charge. It really doesn't change my view of Tressel, but August 12 is going to be a really bad day for Ohio state football

spqr2008's picture

Time for columbus to shut down the NCAA.  If they ask you anything, ask to see a warrant, if they demand to see anything, tell them to show you their badge.  If they persist, then call Columbus Police Department and file a restraining order, then if they come to talk to you again, then you call the police and have them arrested.  THE NCAA HAS NO AUTHORITY OTHER THAN THAT WHICH IT IS GIVEN BY US.  It's really even less authority than the constitution provides.  Yes, you might be able to be punished for the act of staying silent, but if you suffer any ill effects, then it is time to team up and sue the NCAA class action style.  Take the battle to the courtrooms, leave the horsehead in their bed, and don't ever back down from confronting their evil head on.  They willfully ignore other violators to go after us, and will not admit to their hubris and bias.

Denny's picture

If anything, this ought to be part of the response that we have, long-term. The argument that 'everyone else is doing it therefore we shouldn't be punished so hard' is reductive. If there really is a problem with the NCAA (I think most of us can agree to that, on varying levels), let this whole thing serve as the impetus for pressure to change. Write the university president at your alma mater and make your voice heard.

But we really shouldn't play victim at all. Just get mad, and stay mad about the NCAA.

Taquitos.

Maestro's picture

Agree about the victim role.  USC fans have that base thoroughly covered already.

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spqr2008's picture

the NCAA is lucky that Tressel is Tressel, and he won't likely sue them for Defamation of character.  Plus, SI and ESECPN are lucky they also won't likely get sued for Defamation of Character.  As much as they "Claim" to be news outlets, the quickly have, in the past, used the definition of Entertainment outlet to deflect lawsuits, and as Entertainment outlets, they have none of the protections actual news organizations have.  I would sue fast and multiple times if I were Tressel, just to put them in a hard spot.