Friday Skull Session

By Luke on April 29, 2011 at 6:00a
All swag, all the time.Skull Cap Session. Amirite?

Hello my fellow Buckeye brethren. And allow me (if you would) to emphasize brethren. Ohio State degree holders, multi-degree holders, Columbus natives, Ohio natives, neighboring states, well wishers, friends, fans, bandwagon jumpers, and others. Regardless of your creed, origin, or how you came to donning the Scarlet and Gray, we all fall underneath the same sun. We may disagree with one another and find certain opinions some of us have far fetched, but that's hardly a reason for a personal attacks or otherwise engage in some kind of ostracization for simply not sharing our personal states of mind. Inevitably in a time of crisis, some of us are bound to feel one way, some others are bound to embrace another. This is simple human nature, but it's hardly a reason to patronize or put down if others don't happen to feel a certain way. Sure, debate or intellectual discourse is always encouraged, but slurs and derogatory statements? I know we're better than that. And externally, in the comment areas of third party regional and national sites where perhaps they don't have quite as much to talk about at this time of year going full on rebuking knives deep-style to try and defend our own at any cost? Honestly not necessary. I know we're better than that and I know we can dig deep and prove it too. I've been as guilty of thin skin as any of us but in most cases, at the end of the day, it's all for not. Come what may, what happens happens. We'll love our coach, whomever that may be. It's how we're wired, and it's why we all cherish everyday as a Buckeye. You should too, no matter what your opinion or makeup. So let's all agree to try and take a deep breath and approach whatever the next three months bring with as level of a head as is possible, shall we?

Reason. It still exists. Let's get this out of the way: I'm no Kirk Herbstreit apologist. His reporting of information he knew second hand that probably originated in the likes of these parts during a nationally televised college football game last November was irresponsible as a journalist. His childish feud with Ohio State's quarterback? Sophomoric and insecure at best. As a veteran dignitary and former representative of the Scarlet and Gray, regardless of his opinion, he knows (and should know) better. His Top 25 ballot? Completely meaningless. If you think otherwise, you're kidding yourself, but none the less, it that's genuinely his opinion? No matter how asinine, he's entitled to it. In fact anyone ranking Oklahoma over Ohio State at any point last season would be guilty of the same fallacy, unless they happened to be Oklahoma or Ohio State alums, I doubt we give two craps. So why am I saying this? Because no matter how absurd the guy's been in the last couple months for the sake of trying to be objective to a fault, he's still a Buckeye (and a human being). He proves it here. This interview, his first as a transplant Nashvillian, comes across as real and genuine. Say what you will, but he hasn't been wrong about a ton outside of the Terrelle Pryor childishness. His timing and reasons? Again, probably not the purist intent, but if your brother said something similarly stupid at the Easter/*insert holiday* dinner table, you'd probably turn your cheek and give them the benefit of your doubt. Like it or not, the guy is going to be a diplomat for the university regardless of how silly and front running he turns out to be. Respect the person, not the opinion, and if you honestly go out of your way to ostracize and boo him if and when GameDay next comes to Columbus? Really? Again, the best way to deal with the genuine trolls of the world is just to highlight their good points and otherwise let them be. Be better, because we are.

Gholston Wasn't What He Measured Up To. In spite of the sensationalistic media types, Rex Ryan did call former Ohio State defensive end a "phony" in his forthcoming tell all book, but he does so in relative reasonable context:

"Truth be told, I didn't like the kid coming out of college," says Ryan, claiming he did his best to coach Gholston once he came to the Jets in 2009. "He's a good athlete and a smart guy, but I thought he was a phony."

He's not entirely wrong. While it sucks Big Vern never adjusted to the speed/physicality as a starter in a New York Jets uniform, he still has plenty of time to find his niche in the league and prove that his physique and football offerings aren't entirely illegitimate. The burden of false expectations is one of the hardest things to transpire regardless of lease in life.

Cooooold Blooded. Jim Delaney isn't mincing words after his purported lobbying to help keep those involved with Ohio State's tattoos-for-goods scandal Sugar Bowl eligible per ESPN's Adam Rittenberg:

"[Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith], myself, the NCAA all would have handled things differently," Delany said.

Obvious statement's obvious. Statements like this fall likely somewhere between C.Y.A. and disown, but I'm optimistic at the end of the day, Delany is as good of a diplomat as any to recognize Tressel's overarching character. Whether or not that's enough to save his relationship with The Ohio State University remains to be seen, but it may not be a bad thing this isn't Delany's punishment to deal.

Tressel's Contract; Yikes. Hate to beat a dead horse, but this certainly merrits mention. The Good Doctor perused The Vest's contract and points out something making the rounds a lot in C-Bus circles lately: the divorce could be fairly problem free.

Boilerplate that reads like a university lawyer looked into the future and described every conceivable offense from half a dozen different, equally damning perspectives.

This doesn't bode well should the August 12th hearing not go as it could. I"m sure like many of you, I'm hoping it does, but sadly there remains a very real chance it won't. My lingering optimistic hope remains that those still remaining wearing the Scarlet & Gray regardless don't face a bowl ban as the result of poor decisions of a single individual in power. It just seems wrong to throw the baby out with the bathwater is all.

Signs of brighter things to come, for a change. Congrats again to former Ohio State defensive end Cameron Heyward. As Senator Tressel said bluntly post Sugar Bowl, Cam's a great football player but a greater human being first. The versatile DE/DT was chosen by the perfect organization/system for his particular skill set when the Pittsburgh Steelers made him the 31st pick in the 2011 NFL Draft. Expect him to make an impact sooner rather than later.

Gallimaufry Milkshakes don't always work out as intended. Cats: the ultimate troll pets. It seriously couldn't matter less (NSFW). SCIENCE! Miss u halcyon days of Becky Black.


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slippy's picture

I'm still holding out hope Vern finds a 4-3 team that just lets him pin his ears back and he can be productive.


Honestly, the way some of us attack other coaches and players that might have done something wrong, I've been a little surprised at just how much support Tress has gotten.  I understand he's won - a lot - especially against Michigan.  But at the same time, he didn't 'mess up' or 'make a mistake.'  The man deliberately covered things up, and then lied about it.  You're still allowed to like the man and all the rest that he's done for the school, for the team, and for these kids.  It's fine if you still support him 100% and think the rules are dumb or he deserves another chance or whatever.  But we're all no better than the uninformed and the trolls that just lol @ O$U as soon as we don't even let another person have an opinion that differs from yours.

slippy's picture

Also with all the reddit references I'm surprised you guys don't have the little icon/link to share your articles on there...

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I hear you, but about 95 percent of Buckeye-hater trolls are either incapable or unwilling to discuss issues with as much discernment, even-handedness, and nuance as you do above. Heck, the sports meda hacks aren't much better. 

If we stripped out from your statement all the specific subject content (Buckeye football), so it were presented as a generic plea to all sports fans/hacks to maintain perspective, etc.: well, I suspect that such requests are more earnestly taken-to-heart here in the 11W "community" than the great majority of other sports-discussion venues, even among some of the biggest Buckeye apologists/homers on here (like myself).

If the eSECpn and other media hacks don't realize that all the comments that come out of their mouths/pens are colored, distorted, shaped, etc. by 100 different prejudices, frames-of-reference, and so forth, then they're the ones more heavily in denial. Many of the commenters here know full well that we cannot relate to Buckeye football in an "objective" way, but I'd submit that this is a relatively self-aware, self-critical group.    

In short, Herbstreit can be right about more than half of what he is saying and still be completely full of sh-t.  

poop's picture

*uck Herbie in the ear.

BuckeyeSki's picture


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BuckeyeChief's picture

OT, but you happy about Prince? We still need an RB.

"2014 National with it!!!"

BuckeyeSki's picture

Yeah I was actually. He is a great player, nose for the football, need a corner that will stick his nose in there on run-support. Was kinda hoping they would take Ingraham, but its not like they busted and took a position of no-need, ya know?

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BuckeyeChief's picture

MAN, I was hoping the same. OL and LB, and RB are needs.

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BuckeyeSki's picture

Still some of Bucky's OL left to snag up in the 2-3 rnd

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ERIC OSU's picture

Very well written introduction and skull session overall Luke. The barking and calling out of certain Ohio State personnel is getting out of hound and isnt fun to see/read. I'm gonna respect any person I meet that loves Ohio State unless they prove otherwise. We have a very difficult road ahead from the vantage point of obscure trolls/media types/other fan bases, so lets lock arms, and prove we represent the best damn fanbase in the land...walk in unison for the common bond between, O-H!

741's picture

His Twitter account is obviously "verified" per his comments in the interview.

Luke's picture

At least he's owning the lunacy, no?

UPDATE: Kirk's evidently abruptly deleted his twitter account. Probably for the best.

741's picture

He did say he was going to disconnect from interacting directly with the fans (via Twitter) for a while in his interview. (haha)

Kyle's picture

I like to think of Woody as the Pope of Buckeyedom and he's excommunicated that punk ass Herbstreit.  If that sally can't handle some Twitter bombs what does he think is going to happen when Gameday comes back to Cbus?

Denny's picture

Dead Popes can't excommunicate, bro.


Qujo's picture

Luke - AMEN!

One of the knocks on tOSU is its fan base thinks it is better than others AND do not represent themselves as knowledgeable fans but fanst that just quack on the blogs and posts on the internet. I have read many articles about the Buckeyes on various websites over the years and I often cringe on the comments that follow from fellow Buckeye fans. Instead of focusing on the merits of the article there is too much defensiveness and generally negative. Too much bashing of other programs as if they are irrelevant. Yes many other fans of other programs are similar and many attack the Buckeyes, but let them and get some thick skin.... They are entitled to thier opinions...

If you think of NEbraska fans, you get an image of respectful fans (probably not all) that discuss football. Not so much for a large portion of peope that comment on the blogs that call themselves Buckeye fans.

And I wholey agree about Herby - he does have a fault and that is he wants to be super objective. This rubs some Buckeye fans the wrong way. Get over it. He is still as much a Buckeye as any of us!

Lastly I don't want to see Tressel leave. Yet if he does I will accept it and move on. The program will move on. I can't wait for a year from now when all of this has settled and we can focus on 2012 season regardless who the coach is.

Go Bucks!

Our arch rivals.... 11 National Championships, 10 before 1949 - eight of eleven shared. Trying to respect them... trying.... Ugh!

buckeyedude's picture

Boy! You talk about hindsight being "20/20?" Delany must have recently got a new pair of rearview glasses.

And I agree with you Luke: IMO, I think all of this hatred towards Herbstreit reminds of a Muslim Fatwa against someone perceived to be a blasphemer. A little over the top.

After reading Tom Deinhart's article, I wonder if Urban Meyer has his resume ready?

And QUJO: Don't ALL fans think their team is the best? Ohio State is hated because we have one of the top 5 all-time programs. If I had a dime for every time I've seen or heard the word "Suckeyes,"(especially since I'm so close to TTUN), I'd be rich. Fuck 'em. I don't let it ruin my day.

People need to get some thicker skin or grow some balls, like Hillary Clinton(said she could give one of her's to Obama, then they'd both have two-[Oct. 2008]).



Bucksfan's picture

I just completely disagree with you on the Herbstreit issue.  Mark May is a human being.  Mark Schlabach is a human being.  Pat Forde is a human being, too.  None of those guys deserve the A-list treatment by our fanbase.  The discrepancy with which he addressed the Cam Newton issue in contrast to the Ohio State/Terrelle Pryor issue is absurdly stark and unfounded, and is the primary reason he's getting the sh*t he's getting from our fanbase.  And that's not mentioned in your tirade.  His motives are irrelevant to the discussion.  Just because the evidence that Auburn pays their players is confined to what former players say, as opposed to a federal investigation evidence list, is irrelevant.  The shit stinks no matter where you step.  Herbstreit "the analyst" drew a Mason-Dixon-sized line in the sand, then buried himself in a hole on the southern side.  That's his fault, not ours.

Let's put it this way:  Herbstreit "the analyst" deserves to be booed by Ohio State fans wherever he goes for the rest of his career.  Herbstreit "the Ohio State fan," with whom you may see at Eddie George's bar, deserves to have drinks bought for him for the rest of his life.  If he wants to be a closet Ohio State fan, he'll be treated like one.  If he wants to piss off the OSU mob, then that's his deal.  If Herbie and Mark May say the same ignorant statement about Ohio State, I'm not going to give Herbie a free pass just because he went to Ohio State.  I expect him NOT to say something stupid because he went to Ohio State.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Luke, I can't help but laugh at the Herbstreit interview you linked. In that interview he drools over Cam Newton and "all of the scrutiny he overcame." I haven't heard him say an ill word toward any members of the Newton family or toward Auburn. Its ridiculous. Your intent was to prove people like me wrong, but it only proved me right. Why bash us? Why bash something he says he loves? No, its not objectivity or else we'd see Herbie questioning Cam Newton because of issues he had in college, or we'd see him questioning Auburn merely for producing one of the biggest black clouds ever in any college football season. Herbie's intents are purely selfish and he doesn't care if it has a negative affect on Ohio State or our fans. He wants his higher ups and the world to know how "objective" he really is, going so far that he will say just about anything negative about "his" program. So no, Luke, I will not embrace him as a member of the Ohio State family. He's a fraud and can "root" for us by himself without the special fellowship that comes with being an Ohio State fan. Will I" ostracize and boo him if and when GameDay next comes to Columbus"? No, but I won't embrace him as a member of the Ohio State family, and I will question him and call him out.

JakeBuckeye's picture

But I will say this: I did crack up at one of Kirk's jokes near the end there. When he said if he had posted on Twitter that its a beautiful day in Nashville and some Buckeye fans would respond "There he goes again!"