Your Moment of Truth Open Thread

By 11W Staff on March 8, 2011 at 6:42p
202 Comments

UPDATE: Ohio State self reported a violation of NCAA bylaw 10.1 in January. Gene Smith said the staff became aware they had a leak (hence the Yahoo! report) and decided to come out with the information today. OSU has announced the following sanctions for Coach Tressel: A public reprimand and apology; a two-game suspension; attendance at a compliance seminar; and a $250,000 fine.

You can download Ohio State's self-report here (PDF).


Welp, the moment is finally at hand. Here's what we think we know:

  • We reported on Twitter earlier today that we had info from a very reliable source indicating that Tressel would admit wrongdoings and could face a possible suspension and/or sanctions.
  • We've been adamant that Tressel's job was not, nor currently is in jeopardy. The Dispatch confirmed as much.
  • Regardless, we're in for some bad news. Tressel allegedly met with the team before workouts this morning and told them to brace themselves for coming adversity.

We'll be at the press conference capturing video and passing on relevant bits, but if you want to follow it live, you have several options:

  • The Big Ten Network will be carrying the event live on television as well as online.
  • The Worldwide Leader will also have coverage, as will every major station in Columbus, both televised or carried live over the radio.
  • Finally, the official website will be streaming the event live.
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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Sources: Ohio State Recommends 2 Game Suspension For Tressel
BREAKING: Sources tell 10TV that Ohio State will recommend that coach Jim Tressel serve a two-game suspension next season. Click on the headline to read the story and watch Ohio State's news conference live at 7 p.m. on 10TV and 10TV.com

Buckeye Black's picture

If that is all that happens, then I'd be happy.  Tressel deserves better though, considering coaches like Nick Saban and Pete Carroll get off free.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Tress ever serve any suspensions at YState?

Jason Priestas's picture

He caught some heat because his star quarterback, Ray Isaacs, was taking money from a booster. Tressel was never suspended, but YSU caught some NCAA flak.

ScarletFever's picture

Man if they leave 2010 alone + our recruits and Tress keeps his job I'll be thrilled.

Now afterwards if anyone trades a toenail for a tattoo they need to be booted off the team that second.

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I'm not sure I'm happy either way.  The  media and commentators TALK will make me sick.  It could be much, much worse.

Pam's picture

Don't listen. 

cal3713's picture

Here's yet another live stream, in case people can't get others to work...

 

http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/179367/4/LIVE-OSU-news-conference

Buckeye Black's picture

Yeah, players may have to starting buttoning their neck buttons.  It won't be anymore dressing but not playing, it will be a straight up suspension.  Man, I just wanted Evil Tressel to be evil to other teams.

Jason Priestas's picture

Ohio State self-reported violation to NCAA: http://go.osu.edu/SelfReport

Sanctions for Tressel: A public reprimand and apology; a two-game suspension; attendance at a compliance seminar; and a $250,000 fine.

ScarletFever's picture

Thanks to Eleven Warriors for keeping everyone updated today via this site and Twitter.

@scarletfever99

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Jason Priestas's picture

Thank you. Would obviously rather be reporting on happier news, but...

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

none of my feeds are working!!!!

RoweTrain's picture

At the end of the day, wherever we end up, Jim Tressel will be our football coach. (Gene Smith voice)

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I got one to work.  Thanks.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Our AD can kick your AD's ass.

RoweTrain's picture

No doubt in my mind that this is a true statement.

Colin's picture

That's why he is the highest paid AD in the country!

JakeBuckeye's picture

Wow, has anyone called Yahoo out? Ohio State and the NCAA had been investigating all along.

Dumb asses!

Buckeye Black's picture

Tressel looks like he is at a funeral.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I don't want to see Tress tear up.

Buckeye Black's picture

Lord, please don't be Jaamal Berry in the drug trafficking.

ToledoBuckeye's picture

Does anyone know if these so called "emails" have been leaked?

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn." - Woody Hayes
 

Michael's picture

... so are the two people on the report part of the Tat Five?

omahabeef1337's picture

Oh man, if this basically only ends up being a 2 game suspension, OSU gets off easy here. I have no fears that even without five starters and Tressel, OSU will beat Akron and Toledo.

Buckeye Black's picture

Phewww, no drugs, just the 6 already suspended.

njc2o's picture

this is boring

ToledoBuckeye's picture

I think Tressel is speaking from the heart.  He was trying to protect his players from any ramifications of a drug war/shootout.  My guess is the memorbilia was being sold for money to buy drugs.

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn." - Woody Hayes
 

Buckeye Black's picture

By that you mean, the Tattoo shop owner was buying the drugs, not the players.

njc2o's picture

oh god quoting george bush #ffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu

RoweTrain's picture

Tressel is the fucking man.  Pete Carroll can suck it.  That's how a man deals with the consequences of his actions or lack thereof.

SilverBullets's picture

Alright so I'm confused.  Were the drug trafficking emails related to the tattoo parlor?  Or where does the NCAA come in here?

Buckeye Black's picture

What I got is that, he received an e-mail because his player's stuff was found as evidence in a federal drug trafficking case.  He was told to keep confidentiality.  The memorabilia turned out to be the stuff used for tattoos and money, in which the tattoo shop owner turned around and sold for drug money.

SilverBullets's picture

Damned if you do.  Damned if you don't

ToledoBuckeye's picture

It kinda sounds like Tressel didn't let the NCAA know about the email he received about a federal investigation.  Most likely the memorbilia was being sold by the tatoo parlor owner to buy drugs or something along those lines.

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn." - Woody Hayes
 

Nappy's picture

Thats what I keep wondering. If the players werent doing anything illegal while being federally investigated, what is there to report to anyone? The players werent charged or even punished by the team, so where's the infraction?

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Buckeye Black's picture

NCAA requires immediate reports to when an infraction is known.  Tressel is saying he felt that he was still under confidentiality even though the feds told them his players were secondary in the drug trafficking.

Colin's picture

The tattoo parlor was under investigation for drug trafficking. After a search the players' stuff was found, someone probably emailed Tressel concerned that the players might be involved. Tressel claimed he didn't want to put the players in danger so he didn't reveal the information.

ToledoBuckeye's picture

I really doubt Prior & company were aware that the stuff was being sold for drug money.  So, he didn't let the NCAA know about a federal investigation because of confidentiality.  Maybe he should have looked into it more but he was going to let the investigation play out.  I definetely think Yahoo! blew this way out of proportion.

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn." - Woody Hayes
 

BuckeyeTrack10's picture

Buckeye Nation will always be supportive of Coach Tressel. Much respect for all his honesty.

ScarletFever's picture

Don't overdo it Gee.

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phxbuck's picture

How did Yahoo break this crap if we have been investigating it since 1/13?

Buckeye Black's picture

An inside sourced leaked the information to them last night according to Gene.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I thought he was going to say the most pathetic thing is ........Yahoo sports........and the two 'tards that broke NOTHING!  

741's picture

I want to see the e-mails. Hopefully one of you cats digs those up and provides to the 11W faithful.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Holy hell what did I miss?

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

741's picture

Pretty bad, bro.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Can someone post a recap?

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Ethan's picture

missed the first few minutes of the presser. Did they mention anything about a suspension for Tressel yet? 

Colin's picture

Apparently it was in a release given to the press, its in a ticker scrolling on the screen during the press conference. For now its a two game suspension but that's it.

ToledoBuckeye's picture

That guy bringing up clarett, Troy smith and the problems at Ystate is a douchbag.  How many players has he coached?  How many got in trouble?

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn." - Woody Hayes
 

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

If Tress thought those emails could harm the kids why does anyone want to see them now?

741's picture

They got handed out to the press - I'd just like to read them myself to try and get a sense of what actually is going on here. 

I love and respect JT, but right now I don't have enough information to understand how he came to the conclusion that it wasn't his responsible to advise his boss (Gene Smith) of the e-mails and their content until January (after the Sugar Bowl).

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

that's valid AND we already now which 5 kids it was so it's not like it is a big secret now

NorCal Buckeye's picture

Gee:

"No, are you kidding?!?"

dirty6's picture

wins the press conference, seriously

Poe McKnoe's picture

So what you're saying is that Jim Bollman will be calling the plays for two games?!?!?!

Sorry, some had to.  Watch OSU put up 60 per under Bollman. lol

NorCal Buckeye's picture

No matter what way you look at it, he'll always have this overshadow his "squeeky clean" reputation.

Buckeye Black's picture

Not in my eyes.  I say if Saban gets a statue, Tressel should get a whole damn building.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Really don't give a f***. Lets not forget our very own father Woody Hayes threw a haymaker in his final days as football coach at our university. Idiots will still bring that up all the time, they always will and always have.

It will be the same as that pretty much for Coach Jim and in my opinion way less shame to the coach, the program, and the university. Woody is still freaking awesome, and so is Jimmy.

Sofa Kingdom's picture

We got your back Coach.

Buckeye Black's picture

Pryor and company must feel sick.  Their stupidity caused all of this.  Hopefully he pays him back by going HAM x 10 starting against Nebraska.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Have you not listened? This has nothing to do with tat-five. That's the big shocker here.

Colin's picture

No it apparently has to do with at least 2 of them.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Really? Hmmm... Thought it was two different players.

Colin's picture

Tressel said the original email named two players, and then it was in December that he found out there were actually 5 involved.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Ok can anyboday confirm this? I guess I misunderstood what these gentlemen were saying.

741's picture

I understood it the same way Colin did.

ERIC OSU's picture

thats what i understood from it, the initial e-mail from Anon. detailed 2 players.... who just happened to be named in the Tat5 scandal... I dont think it is the Tat5 + 2 others, but just the 5, two of which were intially reported?

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I thought that is how this came about?  The Tat five were busted because their tattoo dude was buying drugs and their stuff was found.

William's picture

Yeah the Tat-5 had nothing to do with Tressel's violation at all. People here need to get off their jock, if you have ever sold anything you have ever personally owned, don't even try and mention how the Tat-5 were such horrid offenders, or how it is their fault that Tressel is being punished.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Simmer. He  misunderstood what Smith and coach said.

Buckeye Black's picture

It was the tat-5.  Their stuff is what prompted the feds to alert Tressel.  I'm a huge Pryor fan, and Tressel had what happened because of his own actions, not solely theirs.  

William's picture

So Tressel remains confidentiality to protect his players, gets handed a quarter million fine, and is suspended for two games? But Saban, Miles, and Chizik can oversign, screw over young men by cutting their scholarships, buy a quarterback, heisman, and national title, yet they get nothing handed to them as a punishment. Absoluteley nothing. The NCAA is a joke..

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

This over and over again.

BED's picture

You, sir, win this thread.

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ToledoBuckeye's picture

What punishment has Lane Kiffin, Pete Carol, Jim Calhoun and other coaches involved in wrongdoing gotten?

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn." - Woody Hayes
 

ScarletFever's picture

I see JT nodded yes to 'did you forward those emails to anyone' before Gene cut him off.  Eeps.  That would nip the 'I wanted to keep it confidential' excuse right quick.

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cal3713's picture

Yep, that's the kicker...

Bucks's picture

Not for sure. If he forwarded them to his own attorney, wife or the respective kids mentioned ... it would still be understandable.

ScarletFever's picture

I could be wrong but his stance, which I was somewhat buying, was he didn't want to forward or share the info with ANYONE to protect this 'federal investigation'.

However he then nodded he forwarded the email to someone, that kind of defeated his first reply in my book.  = \

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Roger's picture

You're reading way to much into the nod. Tressel often nods to acknowledge that he's listening, as many people do. Also he could well have answered "Yes, I have forwarded the emails to the appropriate parties NOW. But not at the time I recieved them."

ERIC OSU's picture

^ this, but I was sorta believing the former as well... when someone is asking me a ? I sort of nod in acknowledgement that i understood what they were saying. Nice move by Gene tho to step in.

BED's picture

To the attorney he was talking to?  Because that's still confidential.

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Lee in Altoona's picture

So could the Feds have busted Tressel for breaching confidentiality if he had told the NCAA? If that's even an "maybe," then this shouldn't even be a thread.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Just the threat of those kids being hurt should keep Tress in the clear.

BuckeyeChief's picture

RECAP PLEASE!

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Roger's picture

The tattoo parlor from tat-gate was the subject of a federal investigation into a drug trafficking case. Tressel was notified that two of his players may have been involved in the case by a lawyer that had most likely been retained to work on the case.

Tressel was, obviously, concerned for the well-being of his players and thought that the federal investigation warranted his confidentiality. He said he was less concerned about the NCAA and eligibility than he was about his players.

Once the additional details came out in December that players were selling their possesions to the tattoo parlor for money, Tressel came forward with what he knew.

The Yahoo! reporters were leaked this information by someone from within the NCAA a couple days ago and they released a story that had very little to do with the actual situation.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

 He did a much better job than I did.

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

So who here thinks the NCAA is going to take OSU to the wood chipper ala Fargo?

Losing all of 2010 wins, Sugar Bowl win, scholarships?

JakeBuckeye's picture

Nah, I don't think so. The university followed NCAA protocol from what I understand, but you never no with the NCAA.

William's picture

If that happens I hope that the would Big Ten would say F U to the NCAA, drop out from membership and form their own league, maybe invite the SEC, PAC-12, ACC and Big 12, to form a super league and kill off the joke that the NCAA truly is.

bcWEcouldn'tGOfor3's picture

I really don't think the NCAA is going to sit there and do nothing. 

IMO, punishment is coming

Bucks's picture

Doubt any of that will happen.

Bucks's picture

I just want to say right now that yahoo sports, Wetzel & Co. can go shove a phallic object up their arse. They made it seem as if they were investigating for 2 months on this and bringing amazing reporting. In fact, OSU was already on it in January WITH THE NCAA on board & involved. They get one wanna be dipstick leaking and now they broke a huge story? Nope.

 

Based off the NCAA being involved early and the way in which JT found out + circumstances, I think that sweet spot of self-imposed sanctions will probably be just fine. If tOSU thought that realistically there was going to be a much stricter punishment, an indication of it would have been in there. Possibly more game suspension but I'd be surprised if there were any scholly losses.

Buckeye_Mafia's picture

Although its not going to be something that Tress would ever know about, I think we should all show our tOSU pride tomorrow WHEREVER you are.  Whether it be work, school, socializing, etc.  I will be wearing my Tressel Vest proudly tomorrow.  And the haters can say whatever they want.  Dude is still the classiest man in sports IMHO. 

 

+1 for all the previous posts regarding the NCAA not doing shit to ass-nozzles like Chizick, Saban, Miles, Carroll, and Meyer and Calhoun for not getting any punishment for the shenanigans they get away with. 

And +1 for Gee with his emphatic response to the question about whether he considered canning Tress.  #backbone

One question though.  These are self-imposed sanctions/penalties by tOSU.  Is it possible for the NCAA to administer more punishment to Tress or the football program? 

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Buckeye in Athens's picture

Fully agree. I'll be wearing my gear tomorrow.

William's picture

The NCAA can enforce stricter punishments if they wish, but they shouldn't considering how swiftly they reported this to the NCAA and how efficiently it was run. If anything Ohio State should be commended for their willingness to cooperate unlike other programs. Looking at you Tennessee and USC..

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Am I the only one that doesn't think this even warrants a suspension or fine?  NCAA vs Federal Case, the Federal Case wins out every time.  He should have brought it to the attention of the top attorney OSU has, yes. And if OSU thinks that warrants two games, then okay.  The NCAA should just back the hell off of this.

BuckeyeChief's picture

I agree.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

William's picture

It's a shame that this is taking attention away from one of the greatest basketball teams Ohio State has ever had. Although I don't even see how this warrants a suspension, if anything shouldn't Tressel be commended for being an upstanding citizen and putting others before himself and protecting them???

PALM BEACH BUCKEYE's picture

 Tressel was co-operating with a federal drug trafficking investigation of a Tattoo parlor owner and co-horts that possibly involved 2 players. He was requested by certain parties to keep it quiet so as not to blow the investigation... he di...d that for the sake of the feds and for the safety of the 2 kids who were named.
He learned that none of the 5 was involved in drugs when the feds contacted him in December and that they only sold merchandise.... I believe the man... he was trying to safeguard his kids during a federal investigation and the univerisity reported it to the NCAA 1 month ago. Tress will face sanctions for the rule violation, but he and the program are clean.... the man was trying to protect his players from people who would hurt them if the investigation was leaked..... all the haters can suck it.

RoweTrain's picture

Well said.  Especially the last statement.

Matt's picture

Let's be clear -- Tressel was not "cooperating with a federal investigation."  He stated during the interview that he was not speaking with a government attorney, i.e., an Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Ohio.   An AUSA would not have informed Tressel of the investigation, which likely would have compromised a grand jury investigation.  I suspect that a defense attorney who represents one of the targets of the investigation contacted Tressel to tip him off regarding the investigation. Maybe the defense attoreny loves Ohio State, thinks highly of Tressel, and/or was concerned about the safety of the implicated OSU players.  The defense attorney asked Tressel if he would keep this information confidential. 

But Tressel was under no legal obligation to keep that information confidential -- it was simply a request from an attorney who did not represent Tressel or the U.S. government.  It sounds like Tressel kept the information quiet because he thought it was for the best for his players.  The government did not contact Tressel to clue him in on the investigation until December 2010. 

southernbuckeye's picture

he did the right thing! he shouldn't be suspended at all!

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

ClayTravisBGID Clay Travis
That was the worst press conference ever. I'm not sure Tressel survives this. His answers were complete shit.

Who is this asshat?

Matthew's picture

An asshat with access to the Internet and www.twitter.com

 

 

Class of 2010

Jason Priestas's picture

Some troll from the South.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Apparently Luke is on twitter patrol right now....

Sofa Kingdom's picture

I emailed the douche bag from yahoo sports to tell him he is a douche bag.  He's a Michigan State guy so you can understand his jealousy and resentment to The Best Damn School In The Land. What do you say we flood his inbox and let him know we stand behind our Coach.

SilverBullets's picture

Yea and they're going to take credit for the fact they uncovered it....  Gloss over the fact OSU's been investigating in for 2 months

Maestro's picture

Tress is the man.  Will never doubt him again.

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RoweTrain's picture

In Tressel We Trust?  I can't answer that for you fellas (and ladies).  Definitely In Tressel I Trust.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Can someone please explain to me how Bruce Hooley still has a job?  I am starting to hate that guy.

Matthew's picture

Brucle Tooley is a joke. He still doesn't know jack shit about the sport of hockey even after a pro team has been in this city for 10 years.

 

Not that it has anything to do with what's going on now, but still.

Class of 2010

ERIC OSU's picture

I'm sick of Hooly as well.. hilarious that the guy has a job in the columbus market on a station that is and should be very pro-OSU and he cant stop professing his love for Boise St and how he bought all his kids BSU jerseys for christmas. what did he say now?

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

He's promoting all the Tress haters on his twitter feed and other related activity.  

wiz khalifa's picture

CHADPARKER322 im in lets do it

NW Buckeye's picture

A few thoughts about JT's actions.  He says he did not take appropriate action to notify anyone because of the confidentiality of a Federal investigation.  How can anyone dispute that?  Just the mere fact that the yahoos at Yahoo busted this story before OSU's / NCAA's investigation was completed speaks to the need to keep one's mouth shut when entrusted with such information.  Obviously, there are many at the university who can not keep their mouth shut, hence the Yahoo story.  Imagine the implication JT would have faced if the news of a Federal investigation had been leaked to Yahoo prior to the completion of that investigation.  Would one rather face NCAA sanctions or be accused of undermining the Feds?  Yes, between a rock and a hard place is the best analogy.  I dare say that there aren't many who would have handled the situation differently. 

Yet, the blogs are full of haters right now.  Thank goodness for 11W.  At least we can participate in friendly exchanges that generally rise above the likes of posters on many other blogs.  I would advise anyone clamoring for Tressel's head to first walk a few miles in his shoes.  Most of them couldn't even make it the first couple of steps.  

M Man's picture

One thing I haven't seen discussed yet is "Probation."  If I understand NCAA Investigative protocols, this is all likely to get some more investigation, into whether Tressel "Failed to Promote an Atmosphere of Compliance," and I'd suspect that the NCAA would find that aspect troubling.  In the event of such a finding (OSU might not self-report that, but the NCAA might nonetheless make that allegation/finding on their own), then I think there is an automatic 3-year probation.

The self-report letter from OSU makes no mention of any probation; sometimes, I think, the defense strategy is to leave something for the NCAA to impose on its own so they feel like they have justified their existence.

As most of you guys know, my personal regard for Tressel is quite high, and my general regard for Tat-gate is that it was a minor bit of dumb mischief.  (I'm not a tattoo guy myself.)

I say this only as a result of what I learned in studying our own Notice of Allegations and the Response thereto by Michigan.  This is not a night for schadenfreude.

gwalther's picture

I love Jim Tressel.

Class of 2008

SouthPlainfieldNut's picture

I've been reading all of these comments regarding the potential NCAA sanctions in addition to Ohio State's, and I hate to say it, but guys, if you truly believe that the hammer is not about to fall on Tressel and Ohio State, you're all terribly mistaken. Tressel's reasoning is nowhere near sufficient for evasion from additional sanctions from the NCAA, whether you agree with them or not or whether you believe their actions in handling other cases hasn't been appropriate. Of course as an Ohio State alum and fan, this is extremely tough to swallow, but it's most certainly going to happen. All you can do now is prepare for the blow and recovery. Vacation of wins from the past season, loss of scholarships and more are all fair game at this point, and I will not be surprised to see any of it happen.

Bucks's picture

Their self-imposed sanctions are based off outside consulting with a HIGHLY respected group that has dealt with infractions in many many schools.

 

They wouldn't self impose joke sanctions that come nowhere close to the NCAA findings. So, get it right. It's in the ball park with possibly additional game(s) and probation ... which is kinda a given.

SouthPlainfieldNut's picture

I don't really see how I'm failing to "get it right." I said those additional punishments were fair game, I did not claim them to be a certainty. Whether it be probation, additional games, scholarship loss or record alterations, I just have a hard time believing the punishment will stop here.

M Man's picture

Some trolls predicted that all of that shit would happen to us (I'm lookin' at you, Sparty) and none of it did.

I've explained just above why I think "probation" will definitely be added to the mix, but for very specific reasons.

The things that you are talking about fall into the realm of "Loss of Institutional Control."  The NCAA had the good sense and the self-respect not to even allege that in Michigan's case.

SouthPlainfieldNut's picture

So you're saying that each allegation has a different set of punishments, and you believe this particular case falls in line more with "probation" as opposed to "loss of instituional control?" Or merely that you believe the prior is a possibility?

M Man's picture

If you are asking for my opinion, which is a bit of an NCAA layman's opinion, I think it quite likely that the NCAA could view Tressel as having failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance.  And that a 3-year probation will be added to the self-imposed penalties.  There might be other, additional penalties added, based on what we know so far (barring other new violations/allegations).  But I can't think of what they might be.  I don't know why there'd be any forfeits (I'll bet there won't be any) and no loss of scholarships (at least I don't think so, since this all had nothing to do with recruiting or the playing of ineligible players).

"Loss of Institutional Control" gets into another realm of enforcement and punishment.  I hope that "Compliance Guy" (John Infante, Loyola Marymount's Assistant Compliance Director) might blog about this, but since he's been publicly outed, I don't know if he can do much on pending investigations.

http://www.ncaa.org/blog/bylaw-blog/

By the way, fwiw, Michigan's travails with the 2009 investigation did ultimately result in a 3-year probation, even though Michigan forced the NCAA to back down from its original investigation that Rich Rodriguez had 'failed to promote an atmosphere, etc., etc.'  So I would suspect that even OSU's counsel is now advising President Gee and Director Smith to expect an additional probationary period.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Thank you for the insight. You're ok in my book, even if you are a Michigan guy.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Colin's picture

People in Michigan...are technically still people.

Roger's picture

Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica.

William's picture

I don't disagree that the NCAA is going to drop the hammer, I think that is going to happen The only problem is that it shouldn't, Tressel is being punished for helping the feds and protecting his players, if anything he should be commended for his actions in my opinion.

hangonskokie's picture

Okay, this is how I read it...

Tressel was indeed contacted in April 2010 by a "concerned party" about the five players involved in tat-gate, HOWEVER, the 'concern' at that point was about the players' coincidental involvement in a drug case, NOT that their NCAA elligability could be at risk.  

at least that was the way it was made to seem

 

 

William's picture

Of course the asshats at ESPN only mention NCAA violations under Tressel at OSU, and YSU, and of course Maurice Clarett comes up. But there is no mention of Tressel's cooperation with federal agents or how he protected his players... http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6194162

MichiganSuxx45's picture

If the NCAA didnt agree with OSUs findings they would have told them during the process as OSU and NCAA investigators were involved from day one when they found about this part of the case. I highly doubt OSU would give themselves these particular punishments if they didnt fully understand from the NCAA that these were just and fair punishments. There is ZERO chance the NCAA now comes back and says we disagree with you and find even more punishments for OSU. OSU and the NCAA worked together on this entire investigation over the last 2 months and I am certain that they are on the same page with these punishments. the NCAA investigation is over and all is left to do is for the infractions committee to look at the OSU self-report and vote on accepting it and considering any other penalties. Which again I dont think there will be any.

tampa buckeye's picture

All this is b.s anyway.  We all expect these kids to bust their ass day after day for the Program and not receive any of the millions of dollars they generate for the school.

 They risk their bodies to win those trophies. Those trophies belong to them... not the school and certainly not to the god damn NCAA!  

 

buckeyedude's picture

Right on, bro! Shit happens. Tressel was protecting his players, and he took the fall for them. At least that's the way I see it.

 

 

AJ's picture

well ive read a couple different blogs and espn....and it would seem tOSU is the most corrupt dirty program in the world led by the worst coach ever...soo i guess that just means we better pack it up

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Sgt. Elias's picture

There is still a lot of missing pieces to this puzzle. If Jim fwd'd those mails, which I think he did (he nodded in the afirmitive when asked before Gene cut in wisley) who the hell did he fwd them to? I would think it would be to the university's legal dept. And if thats the case where does the trail go from there? Anyway, fock  that prick who tried slinging mud with the Mo C and YSU comments.  I just hope the NCAA feels the punishmnet fits the "crime" and we can move on.  I'm still digesting what I just witnessed. This whole thing is just so rediculous.

I do wish Jim would have said his ignorance of federal investigative procedure and criminal law was on him, this would of been a nice mea culpa for the NCAA Kommissars to chew on. The guy's a FB coach not a lawyer. On the other hand he does have access to an arsenal of university legal aid, and Tress does not strike me a simpleton who would not utilize this resource.  Shit, just run those emails by them and c.y.a. I'm kinda rambling and perturbed. I didn't sleep well last night and started hitting the sauce directly after work to get my liquid chainmail on in the event things reached defcon 5.

 

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BuckeyeChief's picture

So.... The Notre Dame guy in the office texted me I should be embarresed.... I told him to f#ck himself.

PISSED AND PROUD FTW.

God, I hope tbe tat6 learned their lesson.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

ColdBuckeye's picture

I'm guessing OSU went a bit low ball on their self-imposed action knowing that the NCAA will likely add to it. It's a bit like bartering. Perhaps the NCAA will make it a 3 game suspension with a couple of years probation. I doubt that they will forfeit any of last year's games. 

Hoody Wayes's picture

Tressel is well-known for being political in his pressers and interviews - political to the point of being non-confrontational.

Tonight, he needed to confront this. Unfortunately, he struck me as kind of evasive.

He rambled.

 

 

 

Pam's picture

He looked like he was on the verge of tears.  Give him a break

Colin's picture

I think he only rambled in the question period. That's when the true Tressel always comes out.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

WTF?  He talked about a kid who played for him who was murdered! 

Denny's picture

Disappointing, but not the end of all things. For those naïve enough to think that Tressel's without reproach, nobody is. For those who want to pin it on the players, they didn't do anything that players before them did. Not to say it's right, but it's nothing new. To try to use this as more reason to dislike Pryor is projecting and stupid.

ALSO: I didn't see the presser, so I have no idea how bad Tressel looked (apparently it was pretty bad).

But hey, at least we'll get to know what kind of offense Bollman would call with Bauserbro under center!

Taquitos.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Whose opinion are you basing Tress's presser as bad? I didn't watch the QnA part but I bought in to his reasons and his mood.

Denny's picture

General internet sentiment from writers that have no real skin in the game. Not the typically sanctimonious types, but the more level-headed types.

Sounded like he danced around things and avoided answers in the QnA.

Taquitos.

ERIC OSU's picture

most of the "dancing" came from the fact that Gene Smith said that Tress was not allowed to speak about the context of the e-mails because of the on-going NCAA investigation (so there were some awkward moments you could say).  There were multiple questions about "content" (of the emails and interviews) that were asked and shot down by Gene because of the pending investigation. I actually felt Gene did a really good job mediating the presser, I dont give a sh** if a couple reporters are pissed they didnt get to ask everything and anything...

BuckeyeChief's picture

Greg Doyel is an ass clown.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

k-chiz-10's picture

What JT did was honorable and "the right thing to do". Last I checked a Federal investigation (along with it's confidentiality) takes prescience over the ncaa tyrannical rules. I can't see the ncaa taking any other sanctions on JT or the program; with the exception of adding a game to the suspension(even though UCONN's coach was only given a three game suspension for the same violation and they play a heck of allot more games). Especially since the investigation by OSU on JT was done BEFORE the ncaa found out he may have known earlier than expected. So OSU IS promoting the atmosphere of compliance. JT might have made an error in favor of caution in the face of Fed. Investigation, so the sanctions will go against him not the program. No probation No loss of scholarships No down years. If anything I think it helps in recruiting. Parents (who usually have some influence on where their children go) just saw JT choose the well being of his players over some stupid ncaa rule. and the rule is stupid.

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

So, I want to see if I have this right (was at a cheer meeting with my daughter during the presser--the ONLY damn thing I would have missed it for).

Tressel respects the confidentiality request of an attorney during an ONGOING federal criminal investigation and does not relay the concerns that two players are somehow involved in the matter.  I mean, I suppose he could have told whomever, an investigation would have ensued, the tattoo parlor guy would have caught wind and the whole investigation would have been compromised. But jey, the Gene Smith and the NCAA would have known, so screw the criminal investigators--they dont yeild as much power, so who cares about their little thingy they are looking into. Who needs drug dealers off the streets when we have paper compliance to worry about!

Did I understand correctly that once JT found out the guys were NOT involved in the criminal drug activity that Tress reported the emails then? If this is the case, what a colassal waste of everyone's energy.

While everyone else is worried about who is violating NCAA 10.1, how about someone charge the NCAA with violation of common sense 101.

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741's picture

Angel: After I read the scanned e-mails (with names and certain other info blacked out of parts of them) I felt even less sold on this need to protect the confidential nature of the information. I am a past and present supporter of JT but he really made a monumental mistake in not reporting the information he was given back in April '10 to Gene Smith. It's just too easy for non OSU fans to question his motives - it really looks bad.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I had not yet read them when I posted this.  I am somewhat troubled by the e-mails, but again, I just dont see a way to vet the issues in the e-mail without violating the req'd confidentiality and/or compromising the investigation.

So if JT goes to the legal departement and speaks in hypotheticals and then he is told he needs to report, he is still in the same moral delimma.  I am also not so sure he didnt send these e-mails up the chain and it just falling on the sword in this case so as to not sanction the University for their non-action.

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gwalther's picture

Lots of uncertainty going into next season. Probably the most since a guy from Youngstown St. took the Ohio State job...

Class of 2008

M Man's picture

General advice to all, that I just gave to Jason:  Don't go near sportstalk radio for oh say about the next 10 years.  Do it for yourselves, and for the sake of the children.  I've been there.

Denny's picture

PRO TIP: don't go near sports talk radio ever, regardless of your preference of sports teams.

Taquitos.

Colin's picture

I disagree with this statement, the Common Man and Torg show on 97.1 the fan in Columbus is absolutely hilarious. They are big Buckeye fans but they still keep it straight. Love it.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

They still say some stupid shit and I seriously doubt their fandom, but whatever. They have said OSU is like Va Tech. They are funny, yes.

gwalther's picture

SUPER PRO TIP: Never go near talk radio of any sort.

Class of 2008

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I just cant help myself.  There are some real turds over at collegefootballtalk.com and they generally call out tOSU fans who dont automatically defend themselves in the comments section of every post.  Try as I might, I just cant resist sparring with those d-bags. 

This may cause me to require an intervention.

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k-chiz-10's picture

LOL...%uck them....as far as they're concerned we're just a glorified mac team anyway! The players will band together in an US vs. the world attitude, and ruin their year when we go undefeated and win the NC. MORE TRESSEL, MORE SILVER BULLET D, MORE SMITH

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Buckeye_Mafia's picture

To the ND fan that messaged you.  I would remind him that Tress never had a student killed over a god damn PRACTICE TAPE!  That is something to be embarressed about.  Tress seemed geniune in his explanation as to why he did what he did.  I, and no one else for that matter, have ever been given a reason not to believe him.  If the NCAA does add to the self-imposed punishment (which I see as doubtful since Gee and Smith both strongly suggested they worked with the NCAA on figuring everything out, including the punishment) then so be it.  It just makes them look worse in regards to USC, the SEC, Cam Newton, Jim Calhoun, and Bruce Pearl, Oregon, etc... 

I think this is something that may stand out to future players and parents.  They know that Tress will put the players that he is a father too for 3-5 years is gonna put them before him, football, the NCAA, and anything else. 

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Just read he is also suspended for all of spring too?

Matthew's picture

Nope. He's eligible for spring and summer activities.

Class of 2010

RoweTrain's picture

This letter will review the institution's inquiry and also detail these corrective and punative actions, which include suspending him from coaching for several games this during the 2011 football season, reducing his salary, and precluding Coach Tressel from having any involvement with spring practices or summer camps in 2011.

ERIC OSU's picture

this was announced as a typographical error by OSU...

buckeyedude's picture

Is this an "oh shit," moment?

 

 

Johnny Ginter's picture

no way in hell the NCAA goes along with a 2 game suspension. i feel like there has to be more coming down the pike (and if there isn't, that is some pretty blatant and honestly infuriating special treatment)

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Hoping I misunderstood what you just said...unless more bad stuff happens to tOSU and/or Tressel, you are infuriated that we are getting special treatment?

wtf?

 

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Johnny Ginter's picture

poorly worded, sorry. infuriating for other people, but honestly, put yourself in the shoes of another fanbase watching this play out. the perception of preferential treatment would make any of us really, really angry if we saw lane kiffin admit to something like this and only get a 2 game suspension against two creampuff opponents. the difference of course is that kiffin isn't half the man tress is, but the perception is there.

Denny's picture

Agreed. And really, I think the biggest frustration is the fact that Tressel is willing to sack up and admit wrongdoing. Though he really didn't have any other play, given that the emails were out there.

Edit: the biggest frustration aside from the fact that the shit all happened.

Taquitos.

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I disagree. 

This happening to Kiffin is just different than this happening to Tressel.  People hate him, sure. But for different reasons than they hate Kiffin.

They hate Tress cause they dont have him.  Think of any other fanbase more loyal to their coach than ours? Thats why people hate us--its not the bowl wins or consistancy, hell we have mathmatical facts on our side and yet they ignore those all together.  They hate us because they are not us. There is no other more polarizing team or fanbase in college football.  There is just only one way you get that kind of reaction over such a broad base of people.  Jealousy, simple as that.  We can all easily stand by our coach because by far and large, the majority of us share, or at least admire, his values. We KNOW he is not a win at all costs kind of guy.  Deep down the haters know too--thats why they are haters. See, it doesnt really matter if it were a ticket for jaywalking or a 'major' NCAA infraction, if its Tressel or tOSU the verdict is in before the charge is read.  Thats not trophies and stats, that jealously.  Simple as that.

But I digress.

I disagree because the perception of Tressel did not change today whatsoever.  Anyone who woke up loving the man is giong to bed doing the same.  The perception you speak of was present in the room today before he was--YSU, MoC, Troy Smith. So again, those who love him actually found a way to love him a little more today. And as nature would dictate, those who hate him found a way to hate him a little more.  I am personally okay with that. 

Short answer:

I hate Lane Kiffin/Nick Saban/Urban Meyer/Pete Carroll/Insert vast majority of college coaches because they aspire to exploit these young men. I love Jim Tressel because he thinks beyond what he can get from them and focuses on what he can give.

 

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

Buckeye Black's picture

For basketball and the upcoming football season.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMCaHxZuf94

Buckeye_5490's picture

If anyone thinks that there aren't gonna be more serious impacts on the program is really dumb. While tressel was "cooperating" with the investigation by the feds, he didn't tell anyone about this situation and how it impacts the students and their eligibility. These players would have been ruled ineligible early in the season had tressel done what he was supposed to do. Therefore I would be surprised if they 2010 season isnt vacated and some other probation placed on the program. With that said I hope tressel comes through this stronger and smarter than ever and I can't wait until he becomes athletic director after Gene and he runs the programs cleanly and promotes an atmosphere of compliance. Go Bucks!

AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

They have been suspended for five games--not ruled ineligible.  Whether this info was known in April or today, it doesnt change their punishment.  Five games last season or five games next season.  Kinda doesnt make sense to make them retroactively ineligble for the season when that is not a sanction on the table for them now. 

 

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Buckeye_5490's picture

Well the thing is if this was known last april like tressel admitted then these players would be ineligible for the first 5 games on 2010 instead of 2011 and they technically are playing when they aren't allowed to soo if they play when ineligible then can't those win be vacated? Maybe I just dont understand why if you are technically not allowed to play but you do then can't the wins be taken away?

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

The letters are out on sportsbybrooks right now.

Kennywayne34's picture

Copy's of the e-mails are out. Saw em on twitter.

 

The_Lurker's picture

One thing to remember regarding the sanctions...Jim Calhoun was busted for recruting violations AND failure to create an atmosphere of compliance. His punishment was three games (that's a small percentage of games in a basketball schedule). If the NCAA adds to the two game ban, I will be exceedingly pissed for unfair punishment based on comparable violations. Hell, if they add to Tressel's ban, Kiffin and Chizik better prepare to be banned for life and Oregon should get the death penalty, by the time those investigations are through. At no time did JT lie to the NCAA. His 'crime' was not reporting the email to his compliance office, but being Tressel, he couldn't report it because he was asked not to share the contents.

Yes, he should have sought legal counsel from compliance without divulging details of the email. He didn't, and he's being punished for it. He's accepting the punishment with dignity and I believe his team will rally around him. I'd still rather have The Vest running our program than anyone else.

Poe McKnoe's picture

My analysis: Yikes.

BuckeyeChief's picture

The thing I can't shake is how we are now being lumped in w/ Tennesee,USC and tge like; that really sucks.

And yet Auburn is still scot free.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

buckfan77's picture

Let me get this straight JT didn’t report this information to the athletic department because of the confidential nature of the FBI investigation and the safety of his players. This is the same athletic department who has a leak which lead to how Yahoo “broke” the story. One has to wonder if JT took the lesser of two evils withholding information knowing it was wrong and not give it the athletic department who obviously has a leak. Maybe JT knows something we don’t?

k-chiz-10's picture

WOW! I can't believe how many people think this thing isn't over LOL. REALLY? The sanctions were obviously discussed with the ncaa (who were involved in the investigation BY OSU) and are equal to the infraction, even a little heavy. We're not getting special treatment. If anything they were hard on themselves.

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Sofa Kingdom's picture

After the presser Tressel is asked if he forwarded those emails. He said "Yes" just before Gene Smith stepped in. IMO Tressel forwarded those emails to Smith, who in turn made the decision not to report it. Tressel is taking the fall on this one. He is a stand up guy. Loyal as hell to the people around him. I just hope the clowns at the NCAA accept the self imposed sanctions and move on.

BucksfanXC's picture

This is exactly what I got out of it. He's the head coach, he's the face of the program, and he stepped up and took the hit. He didn't really do anything wrong, he did nothing illegal, he broke a stupid techinical rule of a stupid institution (much like the 5 players did). It is insanely stupid to me that these guys are the cogs of a multi-million dollar machine and get punished and publicly scorned for making $1,000 for it. If I did $2 million dollars worth of work (which I know, football is hardly work compared to what some of us do for a living) and I got in trouble for being paid $1,000 to do it, I'd be PISSED. But whatever. Tressel is still the greatest damn coach in the NCAA.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

BucksfanXC's picture

I used to not like Pat Forde and Mark Schlabach. I now fucking hate them.

I read the emails, I will now be emailling jt to show him my support. I proudly wore my Buckeyes shirt to work today.

GO BUCKS!

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody