Another Early Tournament Exit

By Chris Lauderback on March 26, 2011 at 12:22a
80 Comments
We'll miss you, Diebs

Entering the tournament as the #1 overall seed, Ohio State once again bowed out early, this time 62-60 to the 4th seeded Kentucky Wildcats.

Brandon Knight drained a Craft-contested midrange jumper from the right wing with :09 left and with Thad Matta neglecting to call a timeout, Craft raced up court and fed William Buford who lofted his 14th missed shot of the evening, a three pointer from the left wing with :02 left, to end what seemed like a season of destiny for the supremely talented Buckeyes.

Jared Sullinger led Ohio State with 21 points and 16 boards while Jon Diebler added 16 in his college swan song and David Lighty 12 in his last game as a Buckeye.

Buford's awful night read 2/16 from the floor (9 pts), two rebounds and one assist against two turnovers. I've been in Buford's corner his entire career, and I remain there now, but this was more than a bad shooting night, it was a bad shooting night enhanced by horrendous shot selection including a couple 19 footers late in the 2nd half when it was clear he didn't have his mojo.

Knight bottomed a trey putting the 'Cats in front 56-53 with 5:20 left, foreshadowing his game clinching dagger, but the Buckeyes bounced back after the teams traded a handful of empty possessions as Sullinger putback a Craft miss before Craft went to the floor forcing a jumpball giving OSU possession. Lighty capitalized with a sick drive to his left putting the Buckeyes in front 57-56 with 2:00 to play. After holding Kentucky scoreless for over three minutes, Sullinger was whistled for a blocking foul (correctly) and DeAndre Liggins was clutch as he drained both free throws giving the 'Cats a 58-57 lead with 1:36 left.

With the season on the line, Ohio State turned in another awful possession. Finding little space on the perimeter, the ball was forced into Sullinger about 14 feet from right low block and he forced a bad shot turning to his right. The totally uncharacteristic possession was answered again by Liggins as he dropped a short jumper giving UK a 60-57 lead with :36 left in the Buckeye season.

It looked like the season might be extended as, out of a timeout, Diebler stepped into a triple from beyond the top of the circle tying the game at 60 with :25 left in regulation. Diebler's clutch bomb was then answered by Knight's silky jumper over Craft.

For me, the bottom line is how well the Wildcats defended Ohio State. Calipari opted to play Sully straight up for the most part and while Sullinger got his, the 'Cat defenders used their length to make things difficult on the wings. Buford simply couldn't get in a groove, Lighty finished 5/12 and Craft 0/5 as Kentucky blocked 11 shots. All that rolled up to a 32.8% shooting effort out of Ohio State in the biggest game of the season.

The Buckeye defense wasn't terrible as they held Kentucky to 46% and played them even on the glass (31-30) while forcing 12 turnovers. Craft held Knight to 3/10 shooting and Lighty did the same to Terrence Jones. The problem was Josh Harrellson getting off early and finishing with 17 points on 7/9 shooting (w/ 10 reb) and Diebler struggling in a quickness/length mismatch with Liggins who stepped up big time with 15 points and six boards.

In a classic tournament game, the lead changed hands 19 times and the score stayed within three points for nearly the entire 2nd half. That said, this marks the 2nd straight year the Buckeyes failed to get past the Sweet 16. I'll never pile on Thad Matta - the guy is a freaking GODSEND for Buckeye hoops - but there's no other way to chalk up this season than to call it a disappointment. Sure, the Buckeyes got a raw deal by drawing the toughest bracket despite being the #1 overall seed but the fact is this team must now be labeled as an underachieving disappointment.

With that fact hard to ignore, I must personally say that this is the most exciting Buckeye team I've ever watched in my 37 years and also the most well-liked. I will miss the chemistry shown by this team and while disappointing, I would like to thank them for the ride. Being able to see all the home games courtside, plus the B1G tourney, I will always remember the 2010-11 Buckeyes as my favorite collection of coaches and players. A truly classy bunch that simply didn't get it done.

I can't wait til next year.

 

 

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KCAlum's picture

If the trajectory of that last second three would have been ever so slightly different, we would be celebrating an epic buzzer beater win.  Sucks.

Tim's picture

I love Buford's game, and I hope he comes back next year.  It's just so frustrating that he is so good but had a game like he did tonight when it mattered most. 

 

Looking back a few years, Matta didn't call a timeout in the Xavier game, and that ended up with Lewis' shot that saved that tournament run, so I can't be mad that he didn't call a timeout here.  It just sucks so much that we had so much talent and chemistry this year.

buckeyedude's picture

Here's a link to the Toledo Blade, and the article about Sullinger AND Buford committing to coming back next season. It's a done deal.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Ohio-State/2011/03/27/Sullinger-Buford-say-they-ll-be-back.html

 

 

Matt's picture

It's not a done deal with Buford.  As fellow 419'ers, we both know that the Blade is less than an excellent paper and here they have glossed over the other things that Buford said after the game.  We also know that, other things being equal, kids from families hailing from the Libbey area probably could use some extra money.  If Buford grades out high enough and/or if his family simply needs the cash, he likely will declare for the draft.  Read Jardy's article where Buford indicated that he will still consider going pro and where a source previously indicated that he was definitely going pro earlier in the season:

http://ohiostate.scout.com/2/1059086.html

Joe Beale's picture

Well done.  Now it's time to start getting ready for spring football.  Tressel or no Tressel, OSU football goes on.

Matt's picture

Possible upside is that Buford potentially played himself out of the 1st round with that kind of performance against the size/style of defender he would face in NBA.  Maybe it's enough to keep him in scarlet and gray for one more season.  Having him as a senior could be critical on a team of sophmores and frosh.

LVbucksNV's picture

Alright, we all loved the season but let us all acknowledge what happened Fri night, WB killed this team all night with squandered trips, early shots and missing them, soft drives resulting in blocks, steals from him and turnovers, and from casual and lackadaisical rebounds and possessions by WB turning it over and playing soft and casual all night, and he has done this all yr, he is SOFT, I can't wait for him to leave. please don't compare him to jj as Toledos best. there were key possessions that needed points and most of those went to WB who killed us tonight. Never thought he was our difference maker, Deibler should've shot it , never should have ended in wb's hands after his shit night.

LVbucksNV

Abe Froman's picture

I totally agree Matt.  Buford had his worst college game last night and nobody else decided to step up and try to take over.  Bring Buford, Sullinger and Craft back with D'Thomas and I dare say that they will be better, but definitely more athletic.  Threebler was a definite terror while shooting the three, but his defense just wasn't up to par in the college game.  That being said, Buford needs to get rid of the matador style and move his feet more like Lighty and Craft.  The real question for next year will be whether Thomas can step up and bring someone with him.

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

RoweTrain's picture

Football school?  Basketball school?  Swimming school?  Nope.  THE School.  Buckeye Now, Buckeye Forever.  Proud of these kids.  Go Bucks. 

ih8rolltyde's picture

Love that... that's where I'm at. Love my Buckeyes unconditionally. Here today, here tomorrow. Thank you diebs, d.light, Dallas, the entire damn team. Hurts right now, but I've always been a Buckeye, will always be a Buckeye.

Mad love to our seniors. I, for one, truly appreciate every bit of joy you guys brought to me and my family. I love being a Buckeye, and I always will.

O- H

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

Jdadams01's picture

Well, we had a great ride. Now time to get pumped about having twin towers down low next year as well as a seasoned pg and a load of talent. Go Bucks!

DotThei's picture

No freaking way I can call this team an "underachieving disappointment." They won a silly number of basketball games, the B1G regular season outright, AND the B1G tourney title.

The NCAA tourney is a crapshoot. The seeding is a crapshoot. The location and times of your games are a crapshoot, too. And, in the end, the winner a week from Monday may or may not be the best basketball team in college basketball. They will have been the best for the six tourney  games they ended up playing and for three weeks' time. That's it.

We were among the best (if not THE best) for nearly the entire season. And the best Buckeye hoopsters I've seen in my 40 years.

So stand up and applaud. Tip your cap. It's fine to be ticked off tonight; we're all dying a little inside. It's because we loved this team (especially its seniors) and we knew the squad was special.

But the thing is...they still are.

DotThei

O-H Kee Pa's picture

I'd rather be the best a week from Monday than Big Ten tourney champs.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Yeah, but the thing is, You don't have a friggin thing to do with it.  You just sit on your couch and cheer for your team.  You don't lift weights in the off season.  You don't practice or play.  You watch.  So appreciate that your team is the best in the B1G.  Applaude their effort.  Mourn the loss.  And look towards next season.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

WilloughbyBuck's picture

Absolutely - the reason this loss hurts is because we cared so much.  The reason we cared was because this team was a joy to watch.  They lost the game - THEIR game, not ours.  THEIR loss, not ours.  Great season boys - disappointed for you because you played so well all year.  Proud of your accomplishments, and there were many.  Great post, Todd.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Post of the Year!  Bravo man!

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

KenK's picture

Well put, Dot. Thank you.

Johnny Hooker: "He's not as tough as he thinks". Henry Gondorff: "Neither are we".

Matthew's picture

The way too early prediction for next year's starting 5

 

PG: Aaron Craft

SG: William Buford

SF: Deshaun Thomas

PF: Jared Sullinger

C: Amir Williams.

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Class of 2010

Matt's picture

I agree with this set-up, but I think that the SF position is wide open with the talent and size that Ross and Thompson bring.  I like Thomas' spirit but he hasn't developed much into a more complete and consistent player over the course of an entire season.  Have to imagine he holds the edge but Matta will start whomever produces.

Matthew's picture

Thomas' lack of minutes should be a wake up call for him to start working on the other parts of his game. He could come back with a hopefully improved basketball IQ and more well rounded game.

He should have the edge with a year under his belt over anybody else. Esepcially the freshmen. Thomas was just as highly regarded coming out of HS as the kids coming in next year, but with actual experience.

 

Agreed on Matta will start whoever produces. He only starts super freshmen, though. We'll have to wait and see if any of these new kids are indeed super freshmen.

Class of 2010

buckeyedude's picture

Who we going to have coming off the bench?

 

 

Chris Lauderback's picture

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ohiostate/basketball/recruiting/commitments/2011

as true frosh, I think Amir Williams and LaQuinton Ross are destined to contribute in year one. Shannon Scott could also be good enough to spell Craft a few minutes. Sibert should get more minutes next year. You still have Weatherspoon and Lenzelle Smith, too.

Evan Ravenel, the transfer from BC will be eligible (post guy) and Trey McDonald is an incoming 6'9" dude. Oh, and Sam Thompson comes in too. It will be a great competition for minutes.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I am in a state of sports heart brokenness.

Our football program, one of the things I hold dearest to my heart, is in shambles. Our football coach, one of the people who I respect the most, is in a fallen politician esque scandal. Our fan base, a second unified family to me for the most part, is completely divided.

And now admist all of this, our wonderful basketball team, a team I've come to love and cherish like I usually would one of our football teams, will not be playing until next season.

You know, its funny. For the first time, I can't say I'm looking forward to transitioning into football. I'm a bit younger than maybe some of you think. I've been spoiled with Ohio State athletics, not seeing many dark periods in my time as a die hard fan. I can't say I've ever felt this way heading into football season, ever. I thought this basketball team had it all. I thought they would, in a way, right the wrongs of the Jim Tressel and the football program.

All of this and I understand that I must realize that people are starving, have fatal diseases and sicknesses, and are homeless and broke. Perspective always helps. Kind of.

O-H.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

Let's not get too melodramatic. Our football program is in anything but shambles. So we (at worst case) go 8-4 and Tressel's reputation takes an even bigger hit. It's a blip on the radar screen of Ohio State Football history. OSU Football is bigger than one person. The names and faces will always change, but on Saturdays in the fall, football is played in the Horseshoe. THAT'S what matters.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I'm sorry, but our football program is in shambles. The face of it, our head coach, is looking worse by the day. Five of our best players are about to serve huge suspensions. Our entire 2010 season, including one of the most cherished wins of Tressel's tenure against Arkansas will be vacated, and that will probably be among other harsh penalties from the NCAA.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

So, if the NCAA says it didn't happen, it's true? I'm still going to proudly wear my Sugar Bowl champs hat. We'll manage JUST FINE without Adams and Boom (TP obviously is a different story). This is why we recruit and have a two deep that could start anywhere.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

And you know this how? :rolleyes:

Look Jake, whether JT is on the sidelines or not, the Buckeyes will be at worst 4-1 when he gets back.  I know its hard for you to believe, but the Horsehoe existed and was filled with winning teams long before Jim Tressel set foot on campus as the Head Coach.  I am a lot older than you.  I have seen dark days that make these seem like a bright summer day.  Sit through a Gator Bowl and watch the greatest coach who ever lived melt down on the sidelines and punch an opposing player.  Or even earlier than that.  Sit in the stands during a 35 point loss to Purdue and listen to the crown sing:

Oh come lets sing Ohio's praise;

And say good-bye to Woody Hayes.

 

You are right.  You are spoiled.  As the father of six.  I can tell you thats not something to be proud of.  So suck it up and be a fan.  Or don't and go away.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

Joe Beale's picture

+1  and a salute to you from another father of 6.

buckeyedude's picture

Holy Toledo! Who has 6 kids these days?

 

 

Abe Froman's picture

Well said.  Put a loss in perspective.  It is only a loss.  Grow from it like you should from a win.  Is it a huge upset?  I don't think so.  It is an upset, but there isn't much separating all of the teams left.  One bad night by one or two players makes all of the difference. 

 

Next time we win that big game (by saying 'we' I mean those college players), just remember that it is a game and we've done it before and will do it again.

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

JakeBuckeye's picture

You think I'm a fair weathered fan? You think I'm going to go away? Think again, my friend. Something I cannot control, the time of my birth, has kept me from living those things as a fan.

But also this: Give me twenty 35 point losses over the embarrassment this has caused Jim Tressel, our football program, and our athletic department.

I'm proudly spoiled with Ohio State athletics. We've all been spoiled this past decade. This is something to be proud of when you are fan, and is completely different than parenthood.

buckeyedude's picture

 one of the most cherished wins of Tressel's tenure against Arkansas will be vacated                                                                                                                        

Where do you guys get this info? I am curious. Do you listen to the spitter, Colin Cowturd? Or some other hater?

 

 

KenK's picture

"Shambles" is a bit strong Jake. I'd suggest that you dial back a little bit.

Johnny Hooker: "He's not as tough as he thinks". Henry Gondorff: "Neither are we".

Chris Lauderback's picture

At least Sully confirmed he'll be back next year.

SouthPlainfieldNut's picture

I wouldn't ever criticize a bunch of young men for representing the Ohio State University so well and playing their hearts out, but ugh, this one is tough to stomach because we knew they were capable of so much more than this. I mean, an exit in the sweet sixteen? It makes you wonder, if they can't win with a team like this, what kind of team CAN they win with?

poop's picture

Sure, the Buckeyes got a raw deal by drawing the toughest bracket despite being the #1 overall seed but the fact is this team must now be labeled as an underachieving disappointment.

I agree, they folded on the first real challenge they faced in the tournament. I love this team and I hope both Sullinger and Buford come back for another run next year. Now we can worry about all the football drama.

Powers's picture

So i'm not the only one having trouble falling asleep tonight?

shadyjake's picture

Monday may be my last day at work after punching my Gator coworkers during their first S-E-C chant.  I don't think I can take another round of it.

Arkansas Buckeye's picture

Amen, brother.  This is getting a little much.

"It seemed like a good idea at the time."

SilverBullets's picture

Since when has anyone else in the SEC other than UK pretended they care about basketball?

Joe Beale's picture

Gator co-workers?  Just remind them that we crushed the Gators in Gainesville and wear your Buckeye gear with pride.

Arkansas Buckeye's picture

Yes. Great year. Great team. Right.

But the better team won last night.  That was a frustrating underperformance.  At one point, it looked like the game plan was to drive, fall down, throw the ball at the basket and pray for a foul (which for some reason stopped being called in the second half). Very weak.

Did it seem like Sullinger was intimidated by Harrelson? I kept waiting for him to post up and use his superior mobility to work Harrelson into a bad position or at least move and then kick the ball out. 

Every team has a bad game. It ws a sad seaoning ending performance. I hate losing to an SEC game.  I'm still excited for next year.

O-H!

"It seemed like a good idea at the time."

Buckeye Chuck's picture

A couple of things: First, I've seen a lot of complaining about the tough road the Bucks had in the tournament -- both the initial draw and the fact that there were no upsets smoothing out their path like Kansas has received -- but this is the sort of thing that evens out over time. Case in point is that everyone already seems to have forgotten how easy our draw was shaping up last season. We could have gotten all the way to the national title game without ever playing anyone higher than a #5 seed, if we had just kept on winning. But of course, that was the problem.

You know how there are schools that are always infamous for their March Madness record? You heard it when Pitt and Texas were knocked out last week, heard it about Roy Williams when he was still at Kansas, heard it about Purdue in the Gene Keady years when they kept getting high seeds and leaving the first week. If OSU wasn't such an overwhelming football school, we would be in the same boat. Our level of underachieving has become pretty noticeable. You have to go back to 1999 to find not only the last time the Buckeyes pulled off an upset in the tournament themselves, but even the last time they lost to any team seeded higher than them (UConn in the Final Four). Since then, there's been the loss to Florida (a #1 beating a #1) and seven upsets. Is it that hard to expect the Buckeyes to at least live up to their seed more than once a decade?

I don't think it's unfair to begin wondering if there's some issue with how the Buckeyes are getting prepared for March. From that first nervous looking shot that Buford took last night, the team seemed much tighter than usual.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

theDuke's picture

Well folks, it took our worst shooting performance of the year to lose against some pretty stout competion.  To go with that, I'm not sure our guys really understood the up and down pace these teams play.  There is nothing like it in the B1G.  That UNC/UK game may give viewers motion sickness there's gonna be so much up and down.  I too would like to thank a Class act bunch of seniors for a great season.  As a Buckeye diehard, not all hope is lost.  We can't live by the "there's always next year" motto but hey, there is always next year and the future has hardly ever looked brighter for Ohio State in both football and basketball.  Minus that one thing that's going on right now... But seriously, my UK grad sister admitted that game made her more of a Buckeye than a Cat.  Cheers!!! Hope braxton is losening that arm up.    I-O!

theDuke

buckeyedude's picture

I agree, THEDUKE. I wonder if the slow-down style of some teams in the B1G actually un-prepared OSU for the NCAA Tourney?

 

 

RedQueenRace's picture

I didn't see the pace as an issue.  We didn't get beat by a parade of layups because we didn't get back down the floor.  It was in the half court game.  Kentucky had multiple players who could put the ball on the floor and take it to the rim and there are very few teams that do that.  Actually, I haven't seen anyone like that this year.  It made it difficult to get matchups where we weren't exposed somewhere.  Even so we only gave up 62 points.

I commented above below on what I thought were poor offensive decisions.  We also hurt ourselves at the charity stripe, including missing the front end of at least 1 one-and-one.

chaoscrusader's picture

IMO,

The critical juncture in the game was the end of the first half, where most of the Kentucky starters were riding the pine due to foul trouble and the bucks did not pull away when there was a huge disparity in talent. A supposed shallow Kentucky bench won by keeping the game even when there big guns were not in the game.

chaoscrusader's picture

This comment is more of me tipping my hat to Calipari, than a knock on the refs. I am assuming at half time, he told his team to be aggressive on D-fense. I thought I saw him after the half talking to two of the refs. The second half saw the bucks getting hit with some touch calls and Kentucky getting away with some rougher play that lead to a couple of those blocks. But again, I say well played by Calipari. 

theDuke's picture

Are you kidding Chuck?  I don't believe in 'upsets' in the tournament.  That's a label the media uses to incite emotion and a bunch of other jibber jabber.  If you make it to the tournament, I'd say you're on the whole, a pretty legit team.  Case in point- VCU.  There is A TON of talent accross the nation which makes for a lot of parity.  Losing to UK is not like losing to, say, Vienna.

theDuke

Neilwoodgables's picture

UK was easily the most athletic team we faced all year.   They blocked 11 shots.....it wasnt our bad shooting it was their defense.  Give credit where credit is due.  

I Hate Michigan.

RedQueenRace's picture

Kentucky played good D but we also missed a lot of easy shots and open looks and made some poor decisions. 

In particular there were a number of cases where we got the ball with space.   A defender would rush at the shooter and instead of pump faking and letting them go by or waiting to where we could possibly draw contact and a foul we shot right into the block attempt.  Kentucky is prone to fouls and it is obvious why having seen how aggressively they attack the ball.  We just didn't handle it intelligently.  It was a repeat of the FSU (who fortunately couldn't score) game and it was frustrating to watch it happen again.

 

 

johnblairgobucks's picture

I don't think Buford's game last night has any effect on his leaving for the NBA.  Dequan Cook went to the NBA and he only played about 15 minutes a game. 

Game last night was tough, but I'll take my Buckeye pride, the OSU players and coaches humility and sportsmanship in defeat over UK's players attitudes after the win.  Basketball is a tough sport.  Put the ball in an a hole not much bigger, 10 ft off the ground. 

Oh well, Go Bucks! Time to move forward.

Chris Lauderback's picture

All, if you get a chance, pop over to my blog post and give your thoughts on my specific questions.

Rooster Buckburn's picture

Heartbreaking last night - but not unprecedented.  Look at Kentucky and Kansas last year.  Sometimes the best teams don't always make it to the championship game - it's the hottest teams who have the most breaks with the ball bouncing their way more often than not. 

The game could have easily gone either way last night - like someone mentioned above - a couple inches difference on WB's last shot and we're celebrating a huge win.  Kentucky got those breaks last night - we didn't.  Doesn't change the fact that this is a great team who gave us an incredible run this year.

Proud to be a Buckeye and proud of this team.  Hats off to Kentucky, they came out and played fearlessly and with desperation, essentially playing a perfect game - which is what it was going to take to beat us.

buckeyedude's picture

 Had to listen to the game on the radio, and it was evident without even seeing the game that WB had a bad game. Some credit has to go to the Kentucky defense, I guess.

Watched the BTN when I got home this morning, and Jim Jackson commented that "many times, when a team is favored to win, it puts more pressure on them, especially if they fall behind. Similar to when I was playing for OSU, we beat the Fab Five twice during the season, but lost to them when it matter most."  He said he felt "Ohio State played tight, and Kentucky played loose."  That is the way it sounded on the radio, too.  Sully, Diebler and Lighty sounded like they played decently.

Buford would be a fool to go pro, after that performance, IMO. If Sully is staying, why would he leave? Makes no sense. I would like to see him redeem himself. Don't be too hard on him fans. I'm sure he feels like shit. Much worse than any of us.

Feel really bad for the seniors though: Lauderdale, Lighty and especially Diebler. Gonna miss that kid in the Scarlet and Gray. I can't imagine anyone shooting better than he did this year, ever.

I'm going to need a cooling off period before I go balls to the wall, football talk.

 

 

 

Marshall's picture

This was one of the most emotional defeats in years for me.  I don't think the Florida loss in the NC was this bad.  Wisconsin in football was pretty rough.  But this one was as if Mola Ram Calipari ripped my heart out of my chest and showed it to me before I died.  Or maybe where I could have cut my own heart out and run in through the garbage disposal for breaking so painfully over this.

This thing with UK was like an epic good-vs-evil struggle, and the guys in the white hats just didn't come through.  And you put football problems on top of it, and it starts feeling like the worst month of Ohio State sports in years.

But there are takeaways to be happy about.  Our University's athletic department still grows up young men better than all these others.  Here's an example:  Dielber will go down next to Krenzel and Sanzenbacher for me.  Guys who don't seem like they're quite as talented as the others, and probably don't have serious pro prospects, but grew up into GREAT Buckeyes we can be proud of...and, more important than sports, have great LIFE prospects.  When's the last time you heard an SEC fan brag about how their school develops guys who have great life prospects?  That is actually what really matters with this stuff.  Go Bucks!  Go THE Ohio State University.

Marshall
2002 graduate of The Ohio State University
National champs.  Coincidence?

AJ's picture

I'd assume they would say tim tebow?

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Marshall's picture

I can't knock Tebow, but do you think you can make an argument that he changed much between freshman and senior years?  Seems like he was pretty much the same person all 4 years, same level of talent, didn't really develop from 1 year to the next, because he was already pretty much fully formed.  Tressel--and Matta-- do something different.  They develop players differently.  I just don't think it's the same thing.

The other thing is that Tebow was a first round draft pick with a future of some sort in the NFL.  So it's not really the same thing.

Marshall
2002 graduate of The Ohio State University
National champs.  Coincidence?

AJ's picture

Well sure but I was referring to tebow personal character not his on the field talent

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

buckeyedude's picture

This was one of the most emotional defeats in years for me.  I don't think the Florida loss in the NC was this bad. 

C'MON Marshall! Get real. NOTHING was as bad as the Floriduh game. The only reason this one hurts more, is because it is fresh in your mind. And because it was a nice distraction from Tattoo-gate. Give it a few weeks and I think you'll come to your senses.

I like and agree with the rest of your post though.

 

 

Marshall's picture

You have to have some sense in order to come to your senses!

Nah, I know.  I've got some personal UK issues to work out.  Just can't stand 'em.

Marshall
2002 graduate of The Ohio State University
National champs.  Coincidence?

buckeyedude's picture

Got down to 16* here in Toledo, last night, Middie. Waiting for spring...

 

 

iball's picture

Im just proud to be a fan of a school who can field a top team in both major revenue programs. Born and bread in OHIO, ALWAYS a BUCKEYE!!

 

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Ian_InsideTheShoe's picture

Just the way we lost was rough to deal with. Especailly on top of all the things happening with our football program right now. A championship would have been so sweet. I think Ohio State is still one of, if not thee, best team in the country. They just didn't click today as they did against Mason. Sometimes one of your guys has off days, and it's too bad it had to be Buford against Kentucky.

On a side note, I think both Sullinger and Buford come back next year for sure.

buckeyedude's picture

The game was over when they put on those white unis.

Should have went with the gray.

 

 

iball's picture

The only thing we did I didn't like was not driving the lane enough in the second half. UK had 5 players with 2 fouls, yet we had almost doubled their fouls committed with 10 minutes to go. Buford has a great skill set, I would like to see him grow more of a killer instinct tho. Craft played great.

But hats off to UK, they did exactly what they planned to do and it worked. They deserved to win. But, we'll still kick their ass in football.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

BuckeyeChief's picture

You guys can be all Sally Sunshine and stuff if you want. Bottom line is anything other than a Final Four trip is a dissapointment; you can talk about the future being bright,etc,etc but it was bright last year at this time.

The guys didn't get it done. I feel horrible for them, and as bad as we feel, they feel worse.

Shit sucks right now, and as stated before, the football program is in shambles; ignore it if you want, but the 2010 very well may be vacated; Tressel may still get fired or resign. Nice that we all bagged on Wisconsin as a team that can't win it all, but guess who else can't. Sorry, but Matta isn't Pitino; 2006 vs 2010 teams? I liked 2010 as a team better, but 2006 was the best team in my lifetime.

Very frustrated right now. But I still woke up, put on my Scarlet and Gray and told the world to suck it.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

RBuck's picture

What makes me sad is that I will never be able to see this team play together again. I've been following and watching OSU hoops since the Joe Roberts/Larry Siegfreid days and I can say without a doubt that this year's team is my all time favorite. This team had six players out of the first seven who led the team in scoring at least one game this season...unbelievable. They were unselfish, they had fun and they were a joy to watch.

Thank you David Lighty for being the glue and the leader. Thank you John Diebler for becoming "Threebler" with your hard work. And a special thank you to Dallas Lauderdale for giving up playing time to freshmen and never once complaining in your senior year...That's leadership.

BTW, I think the no timeout call at the end was a good move by not letting KY set up their defense.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Marshall's picture

Awesome post.  Awesome post.

Awesome call on Lauderdale.  A bunch of players would have thrown a fit over that.  But not classy Lauderdale.  Great observation!

Marshall
2002 graduate of The Ohio State University
National champs.  Coincidence?

Ian_InsideTheShoe's picture

If I could give you points I would man. Nice job.

cal3713's picture

Indeed... folks get all caught up in the losses and fail to realize that this is the point.  If national championships weren't hard to get, no one would care about being in the discussion.  Very few university communities actually get to enjoy that, especially on a yearly basis. 

 

ih8rolltyde's picture

All the way agree. I am most upset today about the fact that I will never get to see this team play together ever again. Wish I could personally thank the seniors the way I was able to thank Troy at the senior bowl. I just really appreciate the hard work, the way this team played. About to go to work, where I will undoubtedly be mocked by SEC idiots, but my Buckeye hat will be on, my head held high because being a Buckeye is just so much damn better than being anything else.

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

Props to the entire team and the coaches. Helluva run this year! I was incredibly impressed by the fight Craft showed last night. 

I'll always remember Lighty coming in as a frosh, fresh off the incident in Cleveland with the BB gun. There were questions about his character. No questions now. The way that kid grew up and persevered through the injuries is what tOSU is all about. 

Take it away Cie Grant:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eW2ZBU9UHI

And did you know there are 3 full stanzas to Carmen Ohio: http://www.justsomelyrics.com/1272507/OSU-Carmen-Ohio-Lyrics

GO BUCKS!

JakeBuckeye's picture

I am trying to think about next year now. Even though I am still gloomy over the state of our football program and our early exit in the tourney, our immediate future (at least in basketball) is indeed bright.

I am 100% confident that Jared Sullinger returns next year, however, I think Buford bolts for the NBA.

we are lucky to have a guy like Aaron Craft, who I believe is a four year player who will develop into one of the best players in the country by his junior and season seasons. Another guy, Deshaun Thomas, will benefit most from this upcoming off season in my opinion. I think his first full off season will turn him into a more complete offensive threat. Thomas is another guy who I believe will stay at least until his junior year.

Then we have a trio of players: Jordan Sibert, Lenzelle Smith Jr., and J.D. Weatherspoon who will be sophomores next year looking to contribute more than they did this year. I think at least one or two of these guys (Sibert for sure) will be a significant contributor off of the bench. And who knows, maybe Sibert starts at shooting guard next year if Buford leaves.

I also can't forget the underrated recruiting class that Thad has put together. Shannon Scott (PG), Amir Williams (C), Sam Thompson (SF), and LaQuinton Ross (SF) are all four star players according to ESPN. A three star, Trey McDonald (C) rounds out the class. Although I think McDonald and Thompson will have to wait a year or two for their turn, I think Scott, Williams, and Ross could all contribute. Especially Scott and Williams.

Here's my opinion on next years depth chart to finish off this comment.

Starters:

Aaron Craft (Point Guard)

Jordan Sibert (Shooting Guard)

Deshaun Thomas (Small Forward)

Jared Sullinger (Power Forward)

Amir Williams (Center)

Bench (6th, 7th, 8th players):

Shannon Scott (Point guard)

LaQuinton Ross (Small Forward)

Lenzelle Smith, Jr. (Shooting Guard)

Bench (Bench Warmers):

J.D. Weatherspoon (Small Forward)

Sam Thompson (Small Forward)

Trey McDonald (Center)

Any walk on's

 

EDIT: I made this a blog post.

buckeyedude's picture

If Buford leaves for the NBA, I'll buy you a dinner and drinks from Eddie's 27 Grill, Jake. You being a college man, probably get sick of Ramen Noodles don't ya?

But if I win, how about you sell me your ticket(s) to a BigTen home game?  R U game?

 

*BTW, if by chance he does leave, I believe he needs a new agent.

 

 

Corey Carpenter's picture

It sucks we are not there, but if Zona wins, Thad has 2 former assistants in the Final four