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Spring Roundtable, Sponsored by High Expectations

Boom Goes the Wolverine Assault

The team may be off today, but we're certainly not. With spring ball in full swing, we got together to debate some of the burning issues facing the Buckeyes heading into this season.

What do you make of the RB situation. Are there going to be enough carries to go around?

Chris: I think there's more than enough carries for the guys that deserve playing time. Admittedly, Saine surprised me big time with his performance last season and I still see Boom as a solid complementary back. The bottom line remains Saine and Pryor are the two best running backs on this team with Boom expected to get his totes to keep Saine healthy and fresh. Even with all the nagging injuries last year, only 17 total carries separated Saine (145), Boom (153) and Pryor (162). No matter how much TP has evolved as a passer, he'll always be a difference maker in both designed runs and scrambles. Maybe I'm refusing to learn from how I shaped my former opinion of Saine, but until Berry actually stays healthy long enough to see the field, I refuse to get excited or demand he get his look. I'd much prefer Jordan Hall seize some of Boom's carries because he's shown flashes of what he can do, especially in space.

Alex: I think Saine will step up as the #1 and the rest of the reps will be taken by Herron first. Boom better watch his tail though, as Berry, Hall, and Hyde will all be creeping up on him come spring. Don't forget Jermil Martin who had some good runs against Minnesota this past year. I say you see Saine get 65% of the touches, Herron get 25%, Berry get 10%, and Hyde get 10% (short yardage). I think Hall will red-shirt to save a year.

Joe: Since I wrote about this on Monday I've been meaning to add my thoughts. The carries will be divided up as follows: Saine and Herron - Will be 1 and 2 in the fall, with Saine getting the bulk of the time. Hall and Berry - One of them will win the "small back" reserve slot and the other will transfer. Hyde and Smith - One of them will win the "big back" reserve slot and the other will redshirt. Martin - will move back to fullback and send Adam Homan back to the scout team.

Jason: It's certainly a nice problem to have, that's for sure. If nothing else, Tressel is loyal and he'll ride the two experienced horses for much of the season. Saine showed late last year that he has what it takes to be a very good college running back and he'll be running behind an experienced and talented line. I'm not as high on Boom based on how he finished last season, but 2010 is a new year and he's shown flashes in the past. As for the youngsters, I agree with Joe: we'll see some carries out of a smaller and larger back depending on the package.

Keith: There won't be enough carries to make everyone happy but that's not a bad thing. Who really wants to see five different running backs get significant carries? I don't and I don't think the staff does either. But, the situation is a great one if you're an Ohio State fan because the glut of talent will make for an intense battle this spring and fall. The depth will almost assuredly breed production and my money is Brandon Saine getting the nod as the top back. However, Saine isn't immune to having some funky games so Boom Herron will still play a large role and I look for both Jordan Hall and Jaamal Berry to be our change of pace carriers. I don't foresee much work from the others aside from garbage time unless one of the above comes down with an injury.

Luke: Has the situation really deviated all that drastically from last year? I expect much of the same. Health permitting, it will primarily be a two back show, with maybe a third younger guy creating some excitement or dancing around and getting tackled for a one yard loss here and there.

Should we be worried about Pryor's knee? Or the ESPN Insider article speculating some of his teammates were fed up with his act?

Keith: We probably should be worried insomuch we don't want to rush him through rehab during the spring. I know he has recently said his knee feels great which is positive but the return to full-tilt action should be on the cautious side. Let's face it, he is the franchise. Come September, though, I doubt I'll be thinking much of the injury as he turns the corner for another first down or throws dart to Dane for six.

Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor (R) hugs head coach Jim Tressel Rose Bowl in Pasadena, CaliforniaHow can you be sick of this act?

Luke: Not at all. TP's work ethic to rehab will only be matched by that of his on the field hustle. If he was that filthy on good wheel, I shudder to think how filthy he'll be with the spare tire replaced with a Yokohama. I thought that was a Bucknuts "rumor", no? I think it's unrealistic to assume there's aren't some sentiments in any locker with a guy of TP's profile like this, but this also isn't this coaching staff's rodeo. I'd be shocked if this was a legitimate issue or there were any playmakers amongst the jealous (assuming of course that's even true).

Alex: I think Pryor's knee is definitely worse then we all thought, but they will be cautious this spring. There is no way JT is putting this fall in jeopardy and TP will be fine when it matters most.

Chris: Although it's clear TP's knee issue wasn't as innocuous as we were initially led to believe, I can't say I'm worried about a recurrence. From what we saw and read from the 6am conditioning, he was full tilt. That's good enough for me. Plus, I can't imagine Tressel allowing him to endure much spring contact - it'll mostly be about establishing timing with the receiving corps.

Joe: Pryor was hurt but he had surgery and by all accounts he is doing fine. If Willis McGahee can come back strong from that gruesome injury in the Fiesta Bowl, then surely Pryor will be able to come back strong from an injury that didn't even keep him off the field. As for the teammate speculation, I will start worrying when I see guys drop passes like Robiskie did in 2008.

Jason: It's your franchise, so you always have to be worry about knees going bad, but I've heard rumblings that the surgery was completely voluntary and even caught some members of the staff by surprise. Even if it is a slight concern, outside of scrimmages, he's not going to get touched this spring. And even in the scrimmages, taps to the shoulder pads will bring a quick whistle when #2 is back there.

Is this finally Mike Adams time?

Joe: Between Adams and Hall, one of them is going to step up and have a great season. It would be nice to see both of them do it, but perhaps that is too much to ask for. Since Shugarts mostly played well last year, I will be satisfied when one of the other two lives up to his billing.

Keith: Unfortunately, I don't think we'll know until maybe late in the season. I can see this as another tackle by committee situation until someone finally takes control and owns the spot. It could be Adams but he has yet to show the toughness and ability needed to be a full time starter.

Alex: Mike Adams just needs to stay off the reefer and he will be fine. My theory on all OSU recruits is that if they work hard enough they will play and get a shot at the league. I don't think Adams has worked hard enough and until he does I don't see him sniffing the first team. I like Shugarts/Hall to start at the tackle spots and if Miller or Adams can give them a run that would be great.

Chris: Until Adams proves he wants it as much as we want it for him, I'm content with Shugarts and Hall. Something tells me Mike's best shot is to share time with Shugarts as I expect Hall to really solidify his spot leading up to the opener.

Jason: Adams is a big piece of how far this team goes. Though he hasn't done a lot in the past two years to lead me to believe he seizes the position, the mere thought of him doing that and playing up to his huge potential has me dreaming about crystal footballs. Of course Hall could step in and be the same force if things go according to plan, but you all things being equal from a talent and effort perspective, I'll take the upperclassmen every time.

Luke: I was unclear whether we were on puff, puff, or pass?

How worried are you about the lack of experience at safety?

Alex: I'm not too worried, as I've heard for a year and a half now that Orhian Johnson is ready to step in. I think Jermale Hines will be a solid strong safety and with Barnett, Oliver, Wood, and company backing up, I think OSU is in a good position. If Tyler Moeller is playing safety that makes me less worried and if he is playing the STAR, I think our secondary might be better then last year's.

Chris: Losing a leader and playmaker like Coleman will hurt early on but I have full confidence in Hines and blind confidence in Johnson. I like his size and from what we were able to see in practices and scrimmages, I saw a physical kid that just needed to fully understand the defense and his role in it, which comes with practice and experience. As Alex said, if Moeller can come back, that's a huge boost to the pass rush which would take some pressure off the secondary is passing situations. There's also a long list of young guys - we just need one to emerge as a contributor. Oh, and Russell is finally out of eligibility so there's that.

September 27, 2008DESTROYER

Jason: As Brian Cook would freely admit, the Buckeyes have a habit of turning three stars into dominant players at the safety position (while the Wolverines typically turn four and five stars into open field turnstiles). Hines already has a ton of PT under his belt and as Alex mentioned, people close to the program have been raving about Johnson for quite some time. Add in Moeller, if he's a go, and that's a pretty solid unit.

Joe: At safety I don't have a ton of concern. This has been a position of strength for most of coach T's tenure, and I expect it will continue to be so. Jermale Hines has certainly shown his worth in the last two years and I think he will do well as a full-time starter at safety. Orhian Johnson and Nate Oliver have played a lot on special teams and so I think they are as prepared as they can be for full-time duty, whoever wins the job. I also look for Jamie Wood to contribute some here.

Keith: I'm a little more uncertain than the others. I'm not losing sleep over the position but we have traditionally been fairly zone-heavy at times with our defenses and having experienced, disciplined safeties is key. I love the potential of Orhian Johnson and we know what Jermale Hines can do already (Moeller, too) but they are largely haven't been full time starters. In Johnson's case, he hasn't played much at all but does seem to have a high-end abilities and Hines has been more of run support-type defender. But, as Luke says, it's hard to worry too much about the group when Heacock and company have really turned out fine defenses year after year.

Luke: Every time in the last decade or so i've been worried about an area of weakness, inexplicably that group has turned into an area of opportunity (the 2007 interior line aside *PTSD shiver*). JT and Heacock have been collecting a mean war chest of talent during the last couple of years, and I assume some cats (potentially some we haven't heard of with respect to their on the field actions) will be making plays as per usual when it matters in October and November.

Who will win the Childress award this spring?

Keith: I'm going to go with defensive end, Solomon Thomas. He was a buzzsaw last year when he had a great spring and registered seven, yes seven, sacks in the jersey scrimmage. In tremendous Childress form, we really didn't hear a peep from him during the season. Then again, maybe has a great spring again and actually carries it over to the season.

Chris: Wasn't that renamed in honor of Mr. April himself, T-Wash?

Luke: Chris is 100% spot-on, gotta be T-Wash.

Joe: In order to earn the Bam Childress award (a.k.a. Mr. April), you need to have a huge spring and then disappear in the fall. Solomon Thomas put in a strong bid last April, only to see T. Wash come and steal it away at the last minute. Maybe this year Thomas will go the distance and take the Childress award for himself.

Jason: Don't sleep on Berry. I say that not because I think he'll disappear on the field, but because I don't think he'll get the touches he'll need to backup what I expect to be a spring in which he generates some serious buzz.

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BuddhaBuck on 5 Apr 2010 - 7:45am #

My two cents:

Re: RB Stable - let's not forget that Boom and Zoom both also carry the H1NInjury virus. It wouldn't surprise me to see the Buckeyes end up using three or four different starters before the year is over. I, for one, am glad that we can actually have the option to run a goal line package with Hyde/Martin/Pryor.

Re: Safeties - man, just how sick would it be with Hines & Moeller both on the field playing the Star position? DC's dream. OC's nightmare.

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BobbyExile on 5 Apr 2010 - 8:57am #

Any comment on the RBs ability to pick up blitzes or extra blocking assignments? I have faith in Saine and Herron as blockers, but what about the young guys? Outside of putting it on the turf, nothing gets you back to the bench quicker than going Ole! on a missed assignment. I'm assuming all the younger guys have similar amounts of talent, but something tells me the first guy to pick up the offense as a whole gets that spot behind Saine (1) and Boom (1a).

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MikeLew on 5 Apr 2010 - 10:31am #

Alex - 65% + 25% + 10% + 10% = 110%. Now, I know we want all our guys to give that effort, but it still is technically impossible.

I have to agree that the young guys are going to have to prove themselves capable as blockers before they get any carries....that's just how Tressel has done it whenever he's had viable(or in some cases, not so viable) options.

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BuddhaBuck on 5 Apr 2010 - 11:12am #

"Outside of putting it on the turf, nothing gets you back to the bench quicker than going Ole!"...

Unless you actually play one of the OL positions. In which case, Bollman keeps you in anyway...

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BobbyExile on 5 Apr 2010 - 11:46am #

Well said. Unfortunately.

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chad on 5 Apr 2010 - 12:03pm #

Berry is going to be fine! Won't transfer and will WOW everyone at how good he is.

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is it Saturday yet? on 5 Apr 2010 - 12:17pm #

like #13 good?

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buckeye in athens on 5 Apr 2010 - 12:27pm #

Berry has to be the most argued about player so far this spring. I don't think we will know anything about him until September/October, because as Jason pointed out, he has the potential to win the Childress.

I think we also need to pay more attention to the third/fourth receivers. I wouldn't be surprised if we open up against Marshall with 3 wide and start slinging the rock around.

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iball on 5 Apr 2010 - 12:53pm #

RE: Joe on the RB situation: It seems like Tress is hellbent on Martin being a full back, but if Im not mistaken Zack Boren started looking like one of the best FB's in OSU history. If you ask me, Jermil Martin could transfer to another school and start at RB, but on Tressels watch.

I would also say that Hyde may not be against redshirting considering the depth at the spot and the fact that he is just now a Freshman. Give him a year extra in the Buckeye S&C program and that kid could be a legend. In the words of the legendary Axl Rose " all we need is a little patience."

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Charlie on 5 Apr 2010 - 1:03pm #

the RB in the pic is Zoom, not Boom

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Matt on 5 Apr 2010 - 1:10pm #

+1 for the monday morning obscure Axl Rose reference

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Brian on 5 Apr 2010 - 1:19pm #

I, unlike others, are pretty excited about the O-Line. I dont' think it's a bad thing that one 5 star, Hall, starts ahead of Adams. Let him play awesome and have a very good backup in Adams. Dare I saw with Adams, Hall, and Miller we could have some quality depth on the O-Line this year? I don't care who it is that is starting and what class they are in, as long as they are getting the job done and doing it well.

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Alex on 5 Apr 2010 - 1:27pm #

I majored in Sport Management...not math! You know Tress loves my 110%...hey...maybe it is possible in a dream world of a 2-back set???

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southbaybuckeye on 5 Apr 2010 - 1:44pm #

You hit the nail on the head when talking about depth at RB. The reason that I love this, besides injuries and such, is that it makes the guys that "should be" starters question their job security. The job doesn't belong to to anyone at this point, last season is in the books and it's all about what have you done for me lately??

While I do think that ultimately Saine will be the "starter" and boom will get his 40+% of carries, I think the depth behind them makes them work harder and do more on the field, and if we're all wrong so be it. The hardest working and most capable RB will see the most carries and time on the field and we'll all be happier for it.

WE'RE GOING TO THE SUPER BOOOWWWLLLLLLL!!!!

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southbaybuckeye on 5 Apr 2010 - 1:46pm #

exactly. if Adams is getting out played/out practiced at this point then he should be 2nd string. You get what you work for.

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southbaybuckeye on 5 Apr 2010 - 1:46pm #

minus the automatic weapons and flack jacket let's hope

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Matt on 5 Apr 2010 - 1:54pm #

The only thing that gives me pause about the stable of stud running back is that the sole comparison that comes to mind is post-Reggie Bush USC. The Trojans collected a surplus of five stars, and no one ever asserted themselves as the go-to guy. Joe McKnight did a solid job, but you couldn't count on him to be The Man. I don't think that Tress will screw this up -- RBs are his forte and the COMPETE WIN FOREVER mentality of USC might have been its own worst enemy and fermented dispute between the players.

My hope is that Saine becomes the complete package and blows up for a 1500 yard season, becoming too good to be brought off the field. He has the speed, size, and hands; this could be his year to put it all together.

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Joe on 5 Apr 2010 - 2:08pm #

Give 'em all enough carries to keep them happy. We don't need no civil war!

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burghbuckeye on 5 Apr 2010 - 2:18pm #

Herron really needs to start picking his feet up more. Last year there were a number of potential 10+ yard rushes cut short because boom almost "drags" his feet and got tripped up for a gain of 3-5 yards instead.

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Matt on 5 Apr 2010 - 2:24pm #

But you can't trust your position coach when the rocks not in your hand, when everybodys rushing for the promised land

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Buckeyeholicwompa on 5 Apr 2010 - 2:32pm #

You have to keep in mind that Saine is also a very dangerous receiver out of the backfield. He has been slotted in the FB position at times with someone else at RB and I think he has also been in the TE position as well to run out and catch a pass. I can see Saine being used many different ways with the bulk of time at RB but I can also see a nice rotation of Boom and either Hall/Berry if either show signs of dominance. Oh, and let's not forget how we can rely on Z. Boren to get us a TD when we need it!

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Team Secret Falcon on 5 Apr 2010 - 2:42pm #

whats so civil about war, anyway?

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Brian on 5 Apr 2010 - 2:49pm #

Not only that, but if he is playing and practicing hard, and someone else is just outplaying him, that's not neccessarily a bad thing. It just means that one very talented guy will have to back up another very talented guy, and that's never a bad thing in my eyes. I remember people saying that Doug Worthington was going to be an unbelieveable talent coming in. Now, don't get me wrong, he was a very good player, but not the 5 start talent he came in as. I have no problem with Adams if he ends up being a very good player, just not legendary. Especially if Hall is becoming that guy.

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RBuck on 5 Apr 2010 - 3:21pm #

I think we're fine at safety. What concerns me is the CB position. I'm not convinced that Chekwa will be the shutdown corner this year as a lot of the media projects.

As far as "not enough carries to go around" for the RB's, I'll go with what Tress said the other day: You're only 2 ankles and a broken hand away from being short (or something to that effect).

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Charlie on 5 Apr 2010 - 3:24pm #

i don't think what happens against marshall is going to be to indicative of the rest of the season. the coaching staff realizes the miami game is a huge make or break game for the season. i feel like jt is waiting to unleash TP 3.0 that night... oh wait gene smith decided a national tv audience @ night is too much publicity for one university and too much fun for a fanbase.

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burghbuckeye on 5 Apr 2010 - 4:19pm #

our backfield= #2 + 2 pairs and 2 spares

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Buckeyeholicwompa on 5 Apr 2010 - 4:22pm #

Now that I think about it. What RBuck said about what Tress said. Guys can get injured and when they do, opportunities come up for the younger guys. I would love for Berry or Hall to get a start at a game, maybe even a big game and just have a break out performance. I think that's the best way for an unproven player to come out. Kinda like Antonio Pittman did against Indiana in 2004.

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BuckeyeSki on 5 Apr 2010 - 4:55pm #

True that! I remember yelling quite heatedly at the TV more than a few times due to that very issue

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Brian on 5 Apr 2010 - 5:45pm #

If Saine is the man next year and tears it up, then Boom has a productive year as well, I don't really care if the younger guys get any more than garbage time. That means this team is firing on all cylinders. Young guys can hang out and play next year when Saine is gone.

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Gravey on 5 Apr 2010 - 6:41pm #

My guess is that Herron gets relegated this season. Either an injury to Saine opens the door for a younger guy to get some extra carries or Boom himself gets hurt. He just didn't look either explosive or powerful at the end of last season. I bet it'll be Berry that will take his carries away...but Herron will have a big Michigan game.

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Ultrabuckeyehomer on 5 Apr 2010 - 7:44pm #

great discussion guys ... here are my thoughts/hopes:

1. Boom and Zoom get well over 90% of the carries if they both stay healthy. Because that will not happen, Hall, Martin and Berry split the other reps fairly evenly.

2. OL - the whole thing will be a moving mess again this year with various guys playing various positions ... lots of mixin' and matchin' again.

3. TP will be healthy and run for 400-600 yards. His throwing improves but we will remain in the bottom 1/3 of the league in passing offense. No worries, that is not how we win.

4. safety - doesn't worry me at all. But, as was noted above by another poster, the corner position scares the you know what outta me.

all in all, a big ten championship and BCS game are in the works again, with no obvious major problems

GO BUCKS

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chad on 5 Apr 2010 - 7:55pm #

Athens this is what I hate about Buckeye fans the most. Berry got hurt, then redshirted, and now some fans want to write him off. And give him the Childress award. Its stupid, this kid will be a stud. Now this year i dont' know if he will get a lot of carries, but he is very, very, very far from Bam Childress. Or Ray Small.

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BuckeyeBrad on 5 Apr 2010 - 8:11pm #

I think if Saine stays healthy, he may separate himself as the true #1 guy. Seems to me that Herron has not progressed and may have hit his ceiling. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and think he can play a useful role, but my feeling is that he gets passed up this year by one or more of the younger guys. Not sure who that is. Might be Berry, if he's as fast swith the ball in his hands as everyone says, but pretty early to make that call.

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iball on 5 Apr 2010 - 8:22pm #

What pisses me off is Duron Carter is arguably the next most talented player next to Pryor on the roster and he can't get his act together. As much as TP dialed into Posey at the end of the year, teams will be forced to spy on him. This could mean huge numbers for Carter who is better than Sanzo in his sleep.

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bup bup bup on 5 Apr 2010 - 8:27pm #

whaaaaat

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Matt on 5 Apr 2010 - 8:32pm #

Duron's attitude and commitment also confuses me. He seems like a good enough kid, but he comes off as someone with a rich dad who doesn't want to put in the work like everyone else. Look at Maurice Hall, out of Glenville, who came to fall camp with the trashbag for luggage. The kid has maybe the inside track to protecting the blind side of the most prominent college quarterback in the game, and he has that chance because he's hungry for it. Duron better wake up fast.

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Anonymous Internet Person on 5 Apr 2010 - 11:28pm #

i forgot about the trash bag. good point.

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Brian on 5 Apr 2010 - 11:34pm #

I'm sorry, was Duron Carter even a 5 star? I am pretty sure the guy wasn't even top 5 receivers coming out of high school. Sanzenbacher has been great. I was skepitcal of the kid last year, but he proved to me that he's one hell of a receiver. Carter needs to get his nose in the book and ass to a tutor so he can still play.

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Brian on 5 Apr 2010 - 11:35pm #

I know 5 star doesn't matter, but my point is, it's not as if Carter was a lock to be a star. Posey was expected to be that good, and I'm not saying Carter won't be, but wasn't he rated about the same as Sanzenbacher out of high school.

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Brian on 5 Apr 2010 - 11:39pm #

Maybe I'm missing something but was Hall that great when he had his limited carries? I can remember a few really good carries, but I remember so not so stellar. I certainly though Boom looked better backing up Beanie. I'm not just not as high on Hall as others. I was more impressed by Martin last year.

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Joe on 5 Apr 2010 - 11:40pm #

Nicely done.

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Buckeyeholicwompa on 6 Apr 2010 - 12:13am #

I would like to see Sanzy be completely dedicated to the slot when we are in 3 wide and have Posey and/or Carter/T. Wash opposite of Posey. Sanzy is a very dangerous slot receiver because he's the kinda guy who is good in traffic. One thing I do wanna see is some mix up with Stoneburner to get him the ball, whether it is disguising him as a receiver or putting him in "Shot-Ginn" or FB, or something.

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buckeye in athens on 6 Apr 2010 - 8:40am #

I believe you misread my comment. Berry is a completely unknown quantity. My point, as was Jason's, was that we have no idea if Berry will receive the carries that the hype suggests he will. Far from writing him off based upon his abilities, I was suggesting that Saine and Herron will have most of the carries, barring injury, and that his playtime might not equate to his hype.

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Scott K on 6 Apr 2010 - 10:52am #

Cam Heyward is listed as one of the 12 scariest defenders in CFB:

http://collegefootball.rivals....

Big Ten has 4 players on the list. Next best is Big 12 with 3. ACC with 2. SEC/Big East/Pac 10 = 1.

Yet another reason why the Big 10 sucks.....(snicker)

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Scott K on 6 Apr 2010 - 10:53am #

That was 1 each for the SEC/BigEast/Pac10.....

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