Oh hell, no (Reprise)
#16 Ohio State
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November 7, 2009 3:30 PM ET - ABC —— Beaver Stadium State College, PA |
#11 Penn State
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In what is now the biggest game of the year and the start of a new three-game November season for Ohio State, the Buckeyes travel to Happy Valley to take on Penn State in a game that will have a highly significant effect on determining the Big Ten Champion and recipient of a 2010 Rose Bowl bid.
It will be the 300th time a football game is played in the fifty years of football at Beaver Stadium, and the 25th time the Buckeyes and Nittany Lions will tangle. The series is all knotted up at 12-12, but the Buckeyes do hold a 10-6 record against PSU since they joined the Big Ten in 1993 and have won five of the last seven contests. Unfortunately, last year was one of those losses, as Penn State defeated the Buckeyes 13-6 in a heartbreaking homecoming loss in the Shoe, a game which spawned awesome stuff, this like this. Penn State will look to win two consecutive games against OSU for the first time since joining the conference, but it will not be easy as the Bucks will certainly be motivated after last year's folly.
With both defenses at full steam and offenses that have struggled many times throughout the 2009 campaign, it should be a battle of who can force their opponent to make more mistakes, a battle Penn State was able to win last year. Will Terrelle Pryor and the Buckeyes be able to rebound from last year's gut-wrenching prime time loss? Will Darryl Clark and the Nittany Lions be able to finally win back to back games against the Buckeyes? It's too early to tell, but at 3:30 PM ET on Saturday afternoon, you better believe both teams will be bringing it.
Opponent
Darryl Clark returns this season to lead the Spread HD and leads the conference in passer efficiency with a 149.3 rating. He has been inconsistent at times when pressured, and if the Silver Bullets can get some heat on the Youngstown native, they should be able to shut him down like they did in much of last year's contest.
Evan Royster is the Robin to Clark's Batman, and while he has done well this year, he has not put together the Heisman-like season many PSU fans expected out of him. Royster is second in the Big Ten with just over 95 yards per game, as he has gained 759 yards (5.23 avg.) and 5 touchdowns on the ground in 2009. He is certainly a threat and will tote the ball plenty as Joe Paterno will try to control the clock in what should be a very defensive game.
Bowman had his fun with Pryor last year....Derrick Williams, Deon Butler, and Jordan Norwood are all gone, but enter Derek Moye, Keystone state cult hero Graham Zug, and Chaz Powell, who have done a fine job filling in for the departed stars. Moye, who has 39 receptions for 648 yards and 5 touchdowns, has been Clark's go to guy in clutch time, so look for the Lions to call his number on 3rd down situations.
Linebacker U comes back strong on defense yet again, and as usual the front seven is a big reason why. Defensive Tackle Jared Odrick (33 tackles, 6 sacks) and Defensive End Jack Crawford (28 tackles, 5.5 sacks) have been nightmares for opposing offensive lines to handle and the Bucks' front five will have to play as well as they're capable to give Pryor time to throw. Linebackers Navarro Bowman (53 tackles, 9 for loss), Sean Lee (45 tackles, 8 for loss), and Josh Hull (82 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 INTs) will not help Pryor's cause either. All three are tremendous play makers that are solid against both the run and the pass and should give the Buckeye offense headaches all day.
Defensive backs may be an area of weakness for Penn State, but like the Buckeyes, the defensive line creates enough pressure to hide any inadequacies that may exist. AJ Wallace is the veteran leader of the group and is solid for the most part, but if Pryor has time to throw, look for him to try and burn sophomores Drew Astorino, Nick Sukay, and D'Anton Lynn on the deep ball.
Buckeye Breakdown
The defense will show up, but will the offense produce enough to get a big road win? This game can play out very similar to the USC game and if the Buckeyes can move the chains and put some points on the board they will be in pretty good shape come the final whistle. The Buckeyes are 53-0 when scoring 30+ points under Jim Tressel, and while 30 will be a hard number to hit, it may be safe to say that if the Bucks can reach the mid 20s they will have a good shot to win in Happy Valley.
....but Gibson had some fun with Clark tooWith the team mostly cured of injuries, it may be on Terrelle Pryor to come up big in his home state and get the job done. If there was ever a game for TP to make the leap we've all been waiting for, it is this one, but he cannot do it alone. Getting the captain nod this week would be a boost, but the Lions will have a gameplan in place to neutralize him as best as possible.
With Boom Herron healthy to team-up with Saine, Hall and Martin, the running game needs to get back on track. Clock control was huge in last year's matchup and if the Buckeyes want to open up the pass, as well as keep the clock in their favor, they will have to run successfully. This won't be an easy task against a stout Penn State front, meaning the offensive line will need to step up big time. The hogs up front may be the key to this game and if they are able to create some running lanes and give Pryor time to throw, Saturday could be very pleasant.
The defense has proven to be the strength of this team and if they continue to do what they've been doing, the Spread HD will be firing on vacuum tubes. Penn State's offensive line has had plenty of trouble of their own this season (cough, Hawkeyes), as they adjust to some new personnel, and Thaddeus Maximus, Williams and Co. should be able to bring consistent heat. If the line, reinforced with a returning Larimore, can get pressure on Clark and the linebackers can shed tackles to get to Royster, the defense should be able to help out an offense that's still prone to quick three-and-outs.
Special teams will definitely play a part and with Aaron Pettrey out for the year with a blown knee, Ohio State will count on Devin Barclay to come to the rescue. It's very possible the former Columbus Crew player will be called on in a big spot and it will be interesting to see what kind of confidence Tressel has in him. That confidence could have an effect on how JT calls the game on Saturday, especially on fourth and short situations in Penn State territory. Will he have the trust in Barclay, will he play it safe and punt it, or will he be aggressive and trust his line to push for a couple extra yards?
Prediction
It's going to be a slugfest on Saturday afternoon and with a tough environment, including a white out and some extra flack from PSU students for Terrelle Pryor, it will be a very tough game for the Buckeyes to win. The last three close big games (PSU, Texas, USC) have not faired well for the Buckeyes and it will be interesting to see how they respond in a hostile environment like Beaver Stadium.
With a conference title, Rose Bowl, and national respect on the line, it is a must-win for the Buckeyes if they want to save their 2009 season. This may or may not be the game in which Terrelle Pryor evolves, but a tough defense and capable running game gives the Buckeyes a very good standing chance. We at the 11W headquarters certainly think so and will take the good guys in a close one.
Ohio State 17, Penn State 14
Comments
Homer. No way OSU wins
Great summation. Agreed it will be a tough, heavyweight championship type fight. If TP can hang on to the ball and make good decisions (like not forcing the ball into tight coverage) I think the good guys have a good chance to take this fight.
I for one, would like nothing better than to knock out Punk St in their own backyard....
Only LOSERS post anonymously pal
TP, run like the wind my friend.
Thoughts and prayers to the soldiers and families stationed at Ft. Hood.
Need a weather update. I know it will be cold with 3:30 kickoff.
Just want you fellas to know that I'll be stuck in a couples retreat tomorrow during the game so I'm counting on you to provide an in depth breakdown of the game so I can see what I missed. GO BUCKS!!!!
wow, that zombie nation preview from good shizzy is out of hound. I knew they'd have Penn St. winning, but in a blowout? c'mon fellas....
what the hell man?? tell the wife fall is off limits
23-10 Penn St.
I'm sorry, I just watched TP throw some of the ugliest deep balls I've ever seen against NMSU. Penn St. is going to put 9 in the box and spy TP. This has all the makings of an ugly, ugly offensive game for the Buckeyes. Ten points might be generous. I think PSU gets 23 based on field position all day long.
F that daughters b-day party, game will be on, and I will be in full gear (beads, eye black, jersey, etc.)
BTW blowing off a friend's party next week (or showing up late) to watch the IOWA game.
Daryll Clark has a TD:INT ratio of 8:8 against top 50 defenses, as well as around a 54% completion percentage. He's great against bad teams, mediocre (sometimes bad) against great teams. This will be another slugfest. So what if their offense is better than ours? Our defense is better than theirs. (See Illinois games - them 17 points given up, us 0).
The offensive line is the only reason we would lose this game. They should be the healthiest they've been since the beginning of the season. As long as we have a back to help out the LT we'll be fine. Let them put 9 in the box - we'll go 4 wide. Notice we've used that quick pass (long handoff) to Posey a few times.
I'm not sure I've ever wanted to win a game more.
OSU has seen that before this year. OSU has been in tight close games against good (and not very good, unfortunately) teams. Is PSU ready for another tight game against a quality opponent? They have had one and they lost at HOME. We will have a lot of 3 and outs. But one or two breaks -- maybe on D, maybe an ugly deep ball -- may be all it takes.
I agree. This game means everything to this team.
Buckeyes Romp, 34-10. Posey gets 2 TD's because he doesnt drop any in the endzone this week. Pryor runs for over 100 and a TD, defense scores 1 TD and the new kicker hits 2 field goals. An ass kicking on all fronts.
In my opinion, they win this one on the road, they definitely beat Iowa next week.
How is this game, in a week of lackluster games shown to almost half of the country in standard definition. Oklahoma State vs. Iowa state to everyone west of Springfield ILL...really. OKSt vs IOWA STATE??? no one out of Stillwater and Ames even gives a crap about that game. Screw you Disney, you suck. Mickey Mouse is a dick.
I hear that! My family just understands that I have priorities!
I wouldn't miss this game for anything
I don't see this being a romp by either team. In the first quarter, PSU will load the box with 9 and spy Pryor with Bowman. If Pryor can beat that strategy--if he can connect on quick screen and slant passes and make PSU pay for overcommitting on the run--then PSU will be reeling, and have to set up in a more traditional defensive scheme. At that point, Pryor can begin to run bootlegs, keepers, options, etc., and our RBs can go off. But the key is to show PSU that their defense can't afford to do to us what Purdue did to us, and won.
I personally can't believe that GameDay isn't on this one. AirForce? AIRFORCE??!!
I'm ALL ABOUT honoring our servicemen, really I am, but AirForce?!?! When tOSU v. State Penn is going on? I could maybe see if one of us was just awful, and this wasn't going to be a good game, but this has B11 title implications, two of the best Defenses' in the entire country.....I just dont understand
eSECpn has dropped the ball....again
I actually would like to see PSU stack the box quite a bit because I don't think their corners can match up one on one with Posey, Dane, and Duron for that matter. TP is going to miss sometimes, but if they stack the box with 9 they will get beat deep.
If the Bucks can stretch the field early, that will mean big trouble for PSU.
23-16 Buckeyes...Hurt Coleman gets the game clinching INT with about 2 minutes remaining.
Homer? Seriously, that is the best your Anonymous ass can come up with. Few tips:
1) Stop sniffing your own farts and calling it ambrosia!
2) THIS IS A BUCKEYE WEBSITE! I don't care if the Buckeyes were the worst team in the Big Ten. Still pick them to beat the sorry Nittanies!
3) You might as well switch over and be a Buckeye fan since you feel compelled enough to be the first one to comment on a blog for OSU. Did you wait up all night to be the first one to make a comment? Do you regularly check out this site to get some REAL insight into what REAL fans have to think?
Go get with your buddy Mark May (unless you are Mark May) and spread some hate crime on some other site.
BITCH!
Not to self, get a woman that graduated from Ohio State and loves football, oh wait, I have one! :)
We are the Big Ten...ESPN doesn't care.
Terrelle and Eli need to step it up this week.
Note to self, that is!
Let's not forget PSU offensive line is very, very young! I we blitz like we did against USC, Clark will probably get knocked out sooner then he did last year.
You would think they would at least be at LSU vs. Alabama! #3 vs #9
They'll almost certainly be at the Shoe next week, especially if we beat PSU
that's what i did to. these are unspoken rules in my house.
another rule: only watch hd channels.
i am a man of principles
My keys to the game:
Defensively: During the first series, we have to hit Clark, we have to set his mental clock early forcing him to make quicker reads. He struggles when he has to make quick reads. Of course, hitting him early and often will be extremely nice. As always with PSU, stuff the run.
Offensively: Run -Quick hitters up the gut, draws, outside strech. I would limit the use of the spread formation with that defense.
Pass - Flares to the RB's, an ocassional deep ball to keep the Defense honest. Dare I say this, a TE screen.... Plus a couple of others varieties of screen. However, if the TE makes an appearance in the passing game, it will be a good day for the offense for two reasons. The O-line is holding its own and TE down the seam will open things up all over the place in the passing game.
OSU - 27
PSU - 14
If we were able to do all the things you suggest..we would be a different team. OBJECTIVELY....Other than hope...what makes you believe we are not the same team that continues to fail in BIG games. Our passing game is "inefficent at best & a liability at worst".
This will be a Defensive Struggle....hopefully we come out on top.
Correction: We are not having a WhiteOut for this game. We only have 1 WhiteOut a year and it's reserved for the biggest game of the year which was Iowa.
I would like to defend the BBC on this one. He is not being a homer. He's just being what he is... a blogger like me. It's our job to offer biased opinion. Then again, aren't local newspapers and places like Rivals and Scout just as biased on their team pages? I think quite so. The BBC sees OSU winning tomorrow. Why couldn't they? Was OSU supposed to beat Michigan in 2004? Miami in 2001? Jeff and I see things from two completely different sets of glasses, but we're looking at the same game, folks. Don't get so huffy when Jeff says OSU wins, while I say PSU wins. Have fun, remember?
How'd that work out for you?
Why did you reply to mine? I'm getting all huffy about the anonymous writer.
I don't disagree with you, except we beat Miami in 2003, for the 2002 season.
Well, I also disagree with your analysis, in that this will be a vicious cock-fight and won't be a blowout for either side...also, you said we've scored 83-7 mostly off of turnovers and trick plays. That would be trick play, singular, as in the only one we've run the entire year, and we will take every point off turnovers we can get.
the onside kick doesn't count as a trick play?
TWO, TWO trick plays ah ah ahh
Sorry, I just got finished with the BBC. Call it Freudian Slip. Of course, I mean to defend the fine people at 11W. Please don't get all pissy about it. It was a harmless mistake.
Wow, what does it say about fans that I have to vigorously defend myself before anyone even says anything? Love college football!
My aunts and 82 yr old grandma are coming to Indy from Dayton to watch the game with me. I kid you not, my grandma will be just as pumped as I will!
I probably wouldn't call an onsides kick a trick play; there are special teams formations that set up for the onsides kick, after all. I would call the onsides kick there unexpected. Does that make a pooch punt/kick, like the one we turned into a turnover against Minnesota, a trick play? Or the reverse on the kickoff return to Saine?
I think the more accepted definition of trick plays is Spurrier-type trickeration stuff, like the Posey pass. You don't scheme against that sort of thing, like you do in onsides kick situations.
What many people are failing to note is the mustache battle between Pryor and Clark. Who will have the better stache on game day?
the onside kick was run from a normal kick formation though, not the usual unbalanced onside look.
@ southbaybuckeye, I'm still trying to work on the HD thing. What was your secret?
We lost and Iowa is an undefeated team so there's no shame in that......on the other hand, how did that big matchup with Purdue work out for you guys? LOL!
I think the onside kick was kind of a gimmick play, but not the same as running a double reverse pass or hook and ladder play. I, at first, thought Pettrey just missed the damn ball lol. Then I saw the replay and saw it was on purpose. Just because they have scored as a result of plays like this and turnovers though doesn't mean we won't continue to do so. I mean if Iowa throws 5 picks to the bucks, they don't win the game.
costco has great deals on HD TVs.. and they automatically double to mfg's warranty. pay with amex and double that. it's a great deal.
I got a 52" for the price of a 42" at other places. HD makes everything better. everything.
"LOL" negative 20 points, unless you're a 15 y/o girl. and in that case, stay out of the PSU library.
i think trick and gimmick plays are the same thing. i guess we'll just agree to disagree
Mike, I'm wichu! It's all about the love of college football. It's just fun to let loose some aggression. and none of it was toward you. I also feel that the 11W team is top notch.
OSU - any score
PSU - 0
Get that fourth shutout of the season.
I'm personally glad Gameday wont' be in Happy Valley for the game. Just in case you were wondering, here's how the show would have went:
- Piece about Paternoville
- Piece about Big Ten's lack of national respect/OSU's big game failures
-Piece about Pryor struggling
- Combo piece about Clark being spurned by Ohio State and going to Penn State, Pryor dissing Penn State and going to Ohio State
- 15 minute compilation on how Tim Tebow is God
- 45 minutes of how awesome the SEC is
- 2 hours of Lee Corso forgetting what he was trying to say and Desmond Howard being Desmond-Freaking ahole who sang M*ch*g*n's fight song from atop our stadium-Howard
- Lee Corso putting on the Lion head to the delight of Happy Valley
If we are talking about running unexpected plays out of normal formations, does that make play action passes out of heavy sets a "trick play", in that we are passing out of a running formation?
My point in all of this was that ZN implied that we had scored 83 points in the last two games on turnovers and trick plays. Our offense has been spotty, but not that damn spotty. ZN calls for a 26-9 blowout, whereas the more sensible minds at BSD say it could go either way, and call for a repeat of last years's slug fest. I'm inclined to agree with the latter.
Fiance just got back from Iraq and this is the only weekend we can do the whole Catholic mandated pre-wedding retreat thing. In her defense, she's as big of a Buckeye fan as I am but sometimes things can't be helped.
Don't let JoePa see your grandma.
I liked it when Game Day only went to big time games. Now they cover all kinds of gooy stuff. There are 2 games they should have had to make a choice about this weekend. Both games have conference championship and BCS implications and both are matchups between ranked teams and power house programs. Why worry about that when you can go to Air Force.
Per DDN, PSU pulls the "Cryer" shirts citing sportsmanship and integrity issues.
http://www.daytondailynews.com...
Scared.
@ southbaybuckeye, LOL, I mean't, I'm working on the other and HD. I have and LCD but can't get her to stay in the HD channel range!
Interesting thought I just had. If Ohio State beats Penn State and Iowa, and wins the big ten and Iowa and Penn State win their remaining games. Which of those 2 gets a 2nd BCS bid? A one loss Iowa who beat Penn State, or 2 loss Penn State that will have a ton of fans travel to watch them play?
No one may care for that matter, but I was thinking about that earlier and I think Penn State would get it. Kind of like Missouri and Kansas a few years back.
15 y/o girl or not, you still lost to 1-5 Purdue!!!! The elephant is still in the room! How many points do you lose for erroneous placement of a period in a post?
southbaybuckeye = FAIL
We're smarter, faster, stronger, and just plain better.
Enjoy the beating southbaybuckeye!
They didn't want Pryor getting one and wearing it in warm ups.
tell her that non-HD channels are a waste of money. it helps if you have verizon fios, directv or dish network too since they have the most HD.
haha
"you still lost to a 1-5 purdue" actually, i didn't.
you gotta pay the troll toll.
WhiteOuts are the lamest thing anyways....nice pom-poms your students shake around tho sweetheart
I highly doubt there will be 2 Big Ten teams in BCS games this year...too many unbeatens left.
Buckstache FTW
I just realized this. Why does Ohio St. not have a midfield camera in the air? I don't think I can ever remember seeing one.
Iowa would get the BCS at-large bid as the Big Ten co-champion, IF the bowl execs decide to take a 2nd Big Ten team. The big bowls don't like taking teams that aren't conference champions or co-champions, or at the very least runners-up. Penn State would finish 3rd in your scenario, and Iowa and Ohio State would be tied at the top (though Ohio State wins the Rose Bowl in the head-to-head tie breaker).
I think there will almost certainly be two Big 10 teams. If OSU doesn't win the big 10, then Iowa wins, goes to the Rose Bowl, and leaves PSU as an 11-1 selection. No bowl will pass on PSU, which only the Buckeyes and Notre Dame rival in terms of fan base traveling.
If OSU wins the Big 10 title, Iowa will have 1 loss and be an enticing at-large selection as well. Who else will provide an at large? They won't select more than on non-BCS team, not with the economy this bad for traveling and spending money on a luxury item like a bowl game trip. Bowls need to fill seats, and no conference does that better than the Big 10. I think SEC (UF and Bama/LSU), Pac 10 (Oregon and USC), Big 10 (Iowa and PSU/OSU) all get double bids. That leaves Big East Winner, ACC winner, and one non-BCS team. Who else you going to take from the Big 12? Only Texas makes it out of the Big 12 this year.
RNF...dont be sad that we are the real Lineback U....
You keep making up those self-appointed titles
Swing by the WHAC sometimes and polish up all our NC trophies, will ya?
Lavaar Arrington was a successful NFL... wait .... nope. My bad.
DARRYL CLARK LOVES TWILIGHT!!!
I cant WAIT for Jermale "The QB Killah" Hines to concuss his pussy @$$ again....
Now that was funny!
but they would be elligible and would have more fan support than Iowa in all likelihood
There definitely will be 2 big 10 teams unless Penn State or Iowa lose 2 games to close out the year and OSU loses another game. They won't take the champ plus a 3 loss team. But last year showed that they'll always side with a 2 loss OSU/Penn State over Boise State and TCU.
No doubt man-
I wouldnt have been upset in the least if they chose the LSU v. Bama game to broadcast from....that game is HUGE, but AirForce?!
Thad Gibson is gonna be a frequent visitor in the state penn backfield.
what about that BYU v. TCU game that no one watched?
Eli has frustrated me more than Pryor this year for sure....
That game last Sunday straight hurt my feelings
I went to three Pro Bowls in seven NFL seasons... that's not enough for you?
this pic has been floated as being of the new uni that will be worn for scUM.
http://i200.photobucket.com/al...
Dan Connor is killing it too....wait....try again
i just threw up in my mouth.
when does the team space shuttle leave for that game?
What about Pudwhatever his name is? what's he up to these days?
Last I checked he was stealing AJ Hawks hair style....
he does have the neck strength of 10 men though....
0 sacks.... "weeya linebacka U!!!"
Did Elroy Jetson design those? WTF?
I'm okay with TP not getting the captain nod. He has enough on his mind without dealing with captain related things--like completing more than 50% of his passes.
But if Boren doesn't get the captain spot for UM, that is some weak stuff
wow........if those are the unis, I hope they look much better on than they do in that picture....
I didn't mind the jersey, but that helmet is not attractive. I'm happy to see them incorporate more gray into the overall design but I'm not sure this is the right way to do it.
They will look alright. Remember, the color will be contrasted against teh green of the grass, and the Maize and Blue home uniforms of Michigan. I think it will work well, once it is all put together. Not ideally designed, but the scarlet and gray pants improve the look, so that it isn't so Atlanta Falcons like now
That's what I'm saying Game Day has become a joke. You'd think if ESPN wants to go to Game Day and give these schools exposure, they'd cover the games the play a little more and try to get the teams some love. ESPN kills me, they are the one entity that can kind of affect the BCS, and they are the one that refuses to to challenge them. I guess they have more ratings by having blowhards debate who deserves a chance.
I've also heard from a current starting player on the squad that as of a few months ago Michigan was planning on busting out throwback uniforms as well on that day, but I think it is unlikely, as UM has a contract with Adidas and is not involved in the Nike Rivalry program.
So is that how they looked in the 50's, just wondering being that it's traditional and honoring that team and all. It looks to me like an abortion. I'd rather have a black jersey like Georgia than that thing. Of course this is Nike's new "rivalry" uniform. I saw FSU's new Rivalry uni and it doesn't even have gold as a dominant color. That is the only thing cool about FSU is the uniform.
The man's got a point!
I am a Penn State fan.
I am not going to offer a prediction, other than it should be a close game. Can someone explain the logic though that TP is going to have a breakout game? I just don't see a lot of risks being taken on either side of the ball. It seems more logical to me that Herron would have a breakout game. Pryor has the ability to break a long run for sure, but I wouldn't call that breakout. Does anyone really see Pryor hitting 75% of his passes? Wouldn't this be necessary?
You are correct...but what we here at Elevenwarriors term a "breakout" for TP is a solid game where we looks comfortable, makes smart decisions and executes an offense that has made him look somewhat uncoordinated at times. If he can do all these things and throw in a handful of solid big game plays this ='s WIN!
I believe the key to the game will be adjustments by the coaches. Not too many coaches do that better than PSU's assistants. I still think that the Bucks will take it 20-16 (what the score should have been last year).
Read this and see if you think there is any real hope of ever effectively utilizing the tight end (the OSU TE question is the second one).
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/p...
Plus, when you stack the box, the deep ball is there all day long. Your DB's arent even in the same league as our receivers. Only thing that concerns me is the dead-ducks that get lofted up, but as long as the line holds up, we beat you down the field all day.
I look forward to a new picture of one of your co-eds crying on National TV....again...
The deep ball! So you are saying that Tressel's game plan will rely heavily on Terrelle Pryor heving the ball long all day long? I agree that you have a lot of talented receivers, but your receivers were much better last year (this crop of receivers may eventually be better) and our defense was not as good except at Safety and maybe DE (and if they were better last year, it was only slightly - see Rose Bowl vs USC). And how many deep plays were called last year?
A good game by Pryor, would be to put up similar numbers to what he did against Illinois. The biggest number being 0 turnovers, and the game should be at least close. I've seen some people say breakout would be 300/100. Tressel + Good Defense will never let that happen. I am just saying if you are hoping for a win via a big performance from someone, I'd look for someone other than your QB.
I look forward to a new picture of your QB crying on National TV….again… (and for the next two years)
Back to the salon for you......
We have the tools available, if the coaches choose to use them. What I have proposed is a simple yet diverse attack that would catch their defense off guard.
If this is a defensive struggle as you suggest, then the real edge is with the experienced quarterback.
Escuchame Capitan: Go sip a Cafe 210 tea or whatever it is you guys do out there in those cowfields (I know how you Penn Staters roll, I'm an OSU alum via Pennsylvania boarding school.)
Quote form the plain dealer
"They probably wouldn't consider it. Throwing to the tight end has become something of a running joke with the Buckeyes, with the tight ends beginning each season with hope before reality sets in.
Reporters covering the team set the over-under for tight end catches at 30 this season, and through eight games, the tight ends have 10. I personally think rolling out Terrelle Pryor and letting him hit tight end Jake Ballard on a little 8- to 10-yard pass could work far more than it's tried. "
Call my post a hope or a wish list, but if our coaching staff discovers that a tighten can catch the ball as well as block, tomorrow will be an excellent time to unleash this revolutionary concept.
Thanks for reminding me how different life is in the sprawling metropolis of Columbus versus the cowfields of Central PA. Thank you BuckeyeTrack10 for providing both perspectives. Most people who are fans of Penn State have never been to any other state, especially one with such a big city.
I assume by your response you see my point. I was pretty disappointed when Pryor decided to go to Penn State, but now we are pretty happy. Be honest, would you rather have Pryor or Clark quarterbacking your team this week?
Good luck tomorrow.
no one expected a breakout (read only good game ever) from the todd back in 2007 either.
Hahahaha...I grew up in Vermont from 2nd to 8th grade and I'm from NYC so I know the huge difference between cowfields and a metropolis. I would honestly take Pryor based on the fact that there is more upside. But you'd probably take Clark because he's gotten you to one Rose Bowl where your team pooped their pants just like that ole coach of yours.
Vermont, NYC, PA, and then OH. By boarding school did you mean "Juvenile Detention Center"?
We did get to the Rose Bowl after defeating Ohio State last year. Unfortunately we lost, but luckily you guys represented the Big 10 well in the BCS yet again.
"I would honestly take Pryor based on the fact that there is more upside." I'm glad you agree that Pryor is not a better QB, and that hoping for a miracle from him tomorrow is pointless. If you want a miracle, hope for big kickoff returns (I have a feeling PSU will be kicking off a lot tomorrow) or maybe that you knock out our starting QB.
your smack is weak sir. you should really listen to jim rome more often. step your game up.
Wow juvenile detention center...check out Milton Hershey School and then please give me an apology cause that was down right low sir.
Let's see if you're still running your mouth after you find out the situations of some of the kids that do end up at that school, it's a huge blessing in disguise.
2007
Todd Boeckamn Completion % - 63.9
QB14 - Completion % - 58.2
2009
Terrelle Pryor Completion % - 54.6
Daryll Clark Completion % - 63.1
The other stats are just as telling.
In 2007 we knew our only chance was for our 5-star QB to have a breakout performance, and we know how that went. In what way does the 2009 OSU offense resemble the 2007 OSU offense? I feel for you. The one thing that was good about 2007 was that QB14s reign of incompetence was at an end,. I guess the reason you are in denial is because you have 2 more years of this. Oh, unless he breaks out and leaves after his Junior season. I can totally see that happenning.
it's a proven fact that people with weak game and no ability to talk smack go in for the personal attack.
(unless it's just ball busting, which in this case, it did not seem to be)
This isn't smack.
And Jim Rome is an idiot.
Pryor can run, Todd was/is slower than your retarded cousin.
the entire game does not rest on his arm, also pryor's completion percentage was higher last year, so you're not taking in the entire picture. it's common knowledge that the run game opens up the passing game. the more pryor gets free on 5, 10 or longer runs, the more he can throw passes off his back foot for completions, and even throw good passes for first downs, touchdowns, etc.
it's not smack? hmmmm
i would venture to say that jim rome is smarter than you. if he's an idiot, what does that say about you?
The 2007 comparison isn't helpful. Boeckman's bread and butter was going over the top off of play-action passes. The play action passes worked because Beanie Wells was in the backfield, he of 1,600 yards that season. Boeckman and Pryor and QB14 and Pryor, for that matter, are polar opposites in QB style. The more apt comparison is early Troy Smith dual-threat QB to early Pryor dual-threat QB.
I don't know that Pryor will win tomorrow, but the notion that we'd prefer Clark over Pryor doesn't hold much water. OSU did not recruit Clark, and you got our leftovers. PSU went after Pryor hard, and came up way short. PSU did benefit, however: Pryor's potential is undeniable, and scared Kevin Newsome and Tajh Boyd away from OSU, with the former going to the Nits.
Pryor leaves before halftime with the sprained knee being too much to overcome...
Bauserman to the rescue... All this talk of Pryor/ Clark is exhausting... The sprained knee will not hold up...
I agree with you that he is clearly regressing. And also on the point that the game doesn't rest on his arm, at least OSU better hope not.
But hoping that his running game will somehow open his passing game, after it hasn't all year, and going against the toughest front 7 he has faced this year is just delusional. Throwing passes off his back foot is what gets him into trouble in the first place.
"Breakout" is not the same as managing the game. If OSU wins, it will not be because TP lit it up in the passing game. How can a QB have a breakout game without passing the ball well?
2004 Troy Smith took fewer attempts than Zwick. In 2005-6 Smith took most of the attempts, and completed more than 62% of his passes. Troy Smith was a much better decision-maker than Pryor, and much more accurate. My guess is that Pryor chose OSU because he wants to be a Pro QB, OSU typically runs a Pro system, and they promised to make him a Pro QB. That is why he doesn't have many planned carries. He didn't go to Michigan, a style that would've suited him much better, because he knows he he will be running and getting banged up all the time.
All I'm saying is if I am playing in a hostile environment with a conservative coach I'd prefer to have a Senior QB (Captain/All Conference)with good accuracy who can take care of the ball. Just because OSU didn't recruit him doesn't mean that he hasn't been the superior QB the last 2 years. There is really no debate. Daryll Clark >> Terrelle Pryor I don't understand why played ahead of Boeckman. The biggest benefits PSU received from Pryor not playing for PSU is 1) Pryor not playing for PSU and 2) Pryor playing for a conference opponent.
I agree. If your starting QB goes down injured, you have a better chance.
We are hoping the sprained knee does hold up.
On the same token, what exactly does State Penn plan on doing with our Front 7 in the backfield all day long? You most certainly CANNOT win this game by running the ball, as Evan Royster is garbage status. Period. And your recieving core is worse? Graham Zug? Really? Really? Moye? Better hope the game doesn't come down to either team throwing, cuz Clark is horrendous on anything more than 3 step drop....thats why he was leftovers for PSU when we didnt even glance his way
It is truth, not smack. Your own fans are hoping that his knee does not hold up and your backup QB comes in. I've been there. 2 years ago. You're still in denial. It is OK.
It is not a personal attack. I just think it is pretty funny that someone thinks Columbus is a city. Pittsburgh is barely a city. If you go outside of the Columbus area and ask people to name cities in Ohio, how long until hey come up with Columbus? I'm not saying it is a bad place. Sorry if you were offended.
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Jim Rome is an idiot. That says nothing about anyone else's intelligence.
I am not arguing that OSU has a poor defense and cannot win the game. I am just saying that Pryor is not a good QB. I'm guessing you thought the same thing after your loss to Purdue. PURDUE.
Can you really say that you would not be completely shocked if Pryor connected on 80% of his passes for 300+ yards and 50+ yards rushing? I wouldn't be shocked if he got 50+ yards rushing, but the rest of that is not happening.
I guess I am also arguing that Clark is better than Pryor.
On my first date with my wife, I told her the world stops when the Bucks are on. Might as well find out early.
RedNeckFool 18: Check JoePoo's trousers. You are having a brown out.
Hairpoo: About having TOSU carry this conference for the last 10 years. You're wlecome. Win a BCS title or go away.
Cptn' Poo: About carrying this conference for the last 10 years... You're welcome.
It's less about Pryor and more about Tressel. While your coach is busy dropping dueces in his pants on national TV, our coach gets his teams to title games.
And yes, you would take a 1-2 record in BCS title games. I know it. You know it.
My apologies for the x2 comment. Technical difficulties.
Tressel is a good coach and good recruiter. In case you missed it though, the conference is not doing so hot, thanks in part to how OSU has carried it. I think we would both agree that the way the media characterizes the Big 10 is unfair, but the past has nothing to do with Pryor's inability at the QB position.
Tressel may not have 2 National Championships, or 4 undefeated seasons, or the most wins all time, but he is definitely a good coach. That doesn't change the fact that Pryor is NOT a good QB and unless someone comes out of nowhere you are stuck with him for 2 more years.
Pryor may still be a good QB. We do not know his future. And no matter how bad he looks at times right now, his abilities as a runner have your coaches nervous.
As for Tressel, I think he has 4 or 5 National Championships. Not sure on exact total. Sure on more than a duece. And if he coaches into his 2nd century on this planet like Joe, he will eclipse any numbers posted by Pa.
Execpt the #2. (Public figures pooing pants on TV will never get old with me)
Your classy comments represent your fandom well.
Don't look now, but Boise State is only up 2 on the road against LaTech. They had been up by 20 points, but they're starting to choke a bit. The game is on ESPN2 and there's still over 8 minutes left in the game.
If class is sharting in front of millions of people, I am one unclassy guy.
Thanks for trying to justify clark is better just because he has been out of high school football now for 6 years. I would hope he would be much more polished by now then Pryor. I can't wait to see the Penn State faithful cry tomorrow night.
ESPN 2
Don't you mean lunar module.
Ohiostate is going to dominate
good man, kalamazoo steve. good man.