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Changes at Safety Welcomed

They say defensive backs need a short memory. Getting burned for a big gain on one play should not affect the next. Anything otherwise usually allows doubt to creep in and an eventual downward spiral of quality. Whether Anderson Russell knows this or not I’m not sure but, as we all know by now, he had one his more forgettable games last Saturday gifting two touchdowns while showing less than ideal coverage skills in the process. Unfortunately, his run support was almost non-existent as well so word of a potential change in the secondary is welcome news to many.

It's Hines TimeIt's Hines time

As Alex reported yesterday, Jermale Hines worked with the starters along side Kurt Coleman. To leverage their skill-sets, the two flip-flopped positions with Coleman moving to free safety and Hines handling the strong safety duties. On the surface, the change involves more than just removing Russell from his starting duties. It also puts both Coleman and Hines in positions to showcase their respective strengths. For Kurt, that would be his coverage skills as evidenced by his beautiful theft on Saturday and for Jermale, it would generally mean inching toward the line of scrimmage to support the run.

Dig deeper and there may be even more to this than meets the eyes in terms of overall impact. It gets our best defenders on the field with Russell still playing situational downs as personnel dictates. It also attempts to cure the problem when USC strong-arms coverage by going with five receivers, which sometimes means Ohio State just can’t simply play zone.

Perhaps most importantly, it may shake up the defense enough to rattle the opposing quarterback into a turnover or three. Russell for whatever reason has never came up with or caused many turnovers. We have little data on Hines compared to Russell but it’s difficult to think things would actually worsen. And, it would be unwise – if not irresponsible – to believe this young Ohio State offense will play turnover free. So, the defense needs to get some takeaways of its own because past history shows USC thrives on them. In their four most recent games with Big Ten teams, they are a healthy +8 in turnover margin.

So, where am I going with this? I’m not sure other than I know I’m inclined to agree with the changes at safety where reversing the big play and turnover trend will be key Saturday night. It is a calculated risk that needs to be taken. We know what is possible if no changes are made at all. Then again, I may be grasping a straws thinking, hoping the likely change at safety will make a significant impact?

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 2:19pm #

Like most(all?) of you, I really favor this change. Coleman seems to be great in coverage as he had 4(i think?) INT's last year. We all know Hines is one of those "hybrid" safety-backer type of players. Whatever we can do to leverage our player's strengths on the field is a good thing in my book.

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MackRM408 on 9 September 2009 - 2:35pm #

Now yank Spitler for Sabino and Ill feel better

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BuckeyeSki on 9 September 2009 - 2:36pm #

I'm in absolute favor of this change for the record. Regardless of whether it changes anything........Hines is a killer on the field and needs to be out there all the time

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Brian E on 9 September 2009 - 2:37pm #

The issue here is that we plays MOSTLY Nickel defense these days, with 4 down lineman, 2 LBs and 5 DBs.

In this defense, even with Russell starting, Hines is in the game as the "Star" 5th DB. The question now is who will play the star in our base Nickel?

Ideally, it would be Tyler Moeller.

Likely, it will go to either Russell/Orhian Johnson/Devon Torrence depending on the situation. The point is this: Russell is going to be on the field, because like it or not (and I don't), he is one of the 3 most talented safeties we have.

So, the larger question is this one: How do we MAKE SURE that Russell is not 1 on 1 with a USC WR? Russell can be MOSTLY solid in run support but I think we'll have to work to make sure he doesn't see coverage responsibilities on an island. Taking him out of the FS spot is a start, but more scheming will be needed.

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BuckeyeSki on 9 September 2009 - 2:39pm #

Putting Torrence on the field as the star give us 3 true, albeit unproven as of yet, corners in the mix to match up with the 3-4 WR set that will def. be shown Saturday night.

Russell should be relegated to running situations only. Maybe the occasional weakside blitz......

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Brian E on 9 September 2009 - 2:39pm #

To follow up, I'm personally in favor of making Devon Torrence into a FS or the Star this week.

He is a big physical corner who can be as solid in run support as Russell and offers a lot of skill and size as a coverage guy.

You don't have to worry about Torrence getting stuck on a WR and he can hold up against the run. I hope to see a lot of Torrence this week rather than a lot of Russell.

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Brian E on 9 September 2009 - 2:40pm #

Apparently we thought the same thing at the same time.

Well done.

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 2:44pm #

didn't spitler have a calf strain issue before the season started? could that be what's slowing him down?

If Sabino gives us a better shot at a W, then I'm in favor of that too. There should be no favoring of Seniority whatsoever.

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BuckeyeSki on 9 September 2009 - 2:59pm #

Football minds think alike my friend

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Ultrabuckeyehomer on 9 September 2009 - 3:09pm #

This is positive news, because at least is shows a willingness to make personnel changes when we can be better by doing so. I was dead wrong with JT being willing to do this (thank god).

I am not sure how well Coleman can cover (interceptions do not tell the tale of coverage skills at all), but we know that Russell was dangerous out there and this removes a known weakness. We'll have to wait and see whether it ends up making us a lot better. I can't wait for the game.

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BuckeyeSki on 9 September 2009 - 3:10pm #

Speaking of changes....is anyone else in favor of us deferring to the second half. Taking the ball first hasn't exaclty worked out for us in the past.

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 3:12pm #

i like taking the ball in the 2nd half myself. if you can manage to score before the 1st half ends and get the ball back to start the 3rd quarter i think that's huge.

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 3:13pm #

it's the strategy i used to employee when playing ncaa football on ps2 and xbox "back in the day" anyways... haha

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BuckeyeWillard on 9 September 2009 - 3:14pm #

nathan williams needs to be on the field more....all he does is make plays

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Brian E on 9 September 2009 - 3:16pm #

Here are our recruits since 2002 that had some potential to play safety. Lots of 4 stars and remarkably inconsistent production over the years.

Out of these players, we have had 3 1st Rd. draft picks.. 2 at different positions and 1 at safety. In all of this, it becomes obvious how much we are missing Tyler Moeller and Eugene Clifford right now as competition for Anderson Russell.

Let's hope Johnson/Domicone/Wood/Brown/Hagan make the next generation a different story altogether.

2002
Tyler Everett **** (16) Nickel back, never started consistently
Nate Salley **** (19) Starter for 2 years
Brandon Mitchell **** (26) Starter for 1 year

2003
Curt Lukens **** (44) Moved to LB/Career Backup
Donte Whitner ***** (1 CB) Starter, 1st Rd. pick
Dareus Hiley **** (6 CB) Never at OSU
Anthony Gonzalez **** (8 CB) Moved to WR, 1st Rd. pick
Ira Guilford *** (19 CB) Kicked off team

2004
Sirjo Welch **** (7) Career Backup/Special Teams
Devon Lyons *** (17) Moved to WR, transferred
Nick Patterson *** (41) Career backup/Special Teams
Brandon Underwood *** (14 CB) Transferred
Shaun Lane *** (32 CB) Career backup/Special Teams
Dennis Kennedy ** (62 CB) Never at OSU

2005
Malcolm Jenkins *** (28) Moved to CB, 1st Rd. pick
Anderson Russell *** (84 RB) Current Starter/Tore knee/Regression
Jamario O'Neal ***** (3 CB) Career Backup/Special Teams

2006
Grant Schwartz ** (NR) Moved to WR/Career Backup/Special Teams
Aaron Gant ** (NR) Career Backup/Special Teams
Kurt Coleman **** (14 CB) Current Starter
Tyler Moeller **** (23 LB) Starter/Injured

2007
Eugene Clifford ***** (2) Behavioral Issues/Backup/Transfer
Nate Oliver **** (11) Backup to this point
Devon Torrence **** (12) Moved to CB/Nickel
Rocco Pentello ** (NR) Career Backup/Scout Team
Jermale Hines **** (16 LB) Starter at Star position

2008
Zach Domicone *** (71) Backup
Orhian Johnson *** (30 QB) 2nd String

2009
Jamie Wood **** (9) Redshirt
Corey Brown **** (9 CB) Likely Redshirt

2010
Chad Hagan *** (83) ??

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 3:16pm #

I think all these guys will get some PT on Saturday. It's the only way to be successful; keep rotating fresh players in on defense to combat their experience offensive line.Show them different personnel, different looks, confuse Barkley and force him in to mistakes.

long story short, I agree.

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Brian E on 9 September 2009 - 3:17pm #

As an addendum, the number of stars indicates what the recruiting sites thought of these players and the number in parentheses indicates where they were ranked at their position.

If no position is given, then it was at Safety.

Hope that makes sense.

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 3:19pm #

Someone's been doing some research over there.

Can we bring Mike Doss back? He's not up to much right now.....

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is it Saturday yet? on 9 September 2009 - 3:26pm #

show these guys clips of Clements and Winfield

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is it Saturday yet? on 9 September 2009 - 3:30pm #

I gotta good feeling 'bout this one on Saturday fellas. I AM AMPED and it is only Weds.....

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BuckeyeSki on 9 September 2009 - 3:30pm #

giggity

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Brian E on 9 September 2009 - 3:31pm #

I want some of what you're drinking.

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 3:39pm #

those were the days....

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 3:41pm #

it's not "debbie downer" juice like you are i guess....

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is it Saturday yet? on 9 September 2009 - 3:48pm #

I just said FCK all the negative crap! FCK the crap surrounding this team, this state, and everything else. FCK Mark May, & surfers, & the whole entire southern part of California!!! GO BUCKS! These Buckeye boys are going to hit these USC spoiled children so hard they are going to have to take their shoes off to shit!!! O-H

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 3:49pm #

don't FCK the part of socal i live in please....

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A Bag of Doritos on 9 September 2009 - 3:56pm #

my part either. thanks.

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Brian E on 9 September 2009 - 4:04pm #

Rather than get superficially angry defending the Bucks, why not involve yourself in a dialogue about their realistic strengths and flaws.

I'll start.

We need to get a lot better along the offensive line if we're going to score enough points to keep up this Saturday.

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 4:05pm #

never heard that one before............

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Naptown Buckeye on 9 September 2009 - 4:09pm #

I'd like to see the D all standing around the line of scrimmage before the snap of an obvious passing down similar to what you see NE and PIT do to Indy every year. It would confuse Barkley and may lead to a turnover. We have to disguise the blitz better than we have in the past. If we can get a couple good shots on him hopefully it'll rattle him into throwing the ball early rseulting in incompletions. What do you guys think?

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is it Saturday yet? on 9 September 2009 - 4:13pm #

I got a tad carried away.

The O line has needed work. We need to be faster at a few skilled positions, our O line needs to be more athletic, we need to convert 3rd downs, we need to score touchdowns not settle for fieldgoals, we need more dynamic play calling etc, etc......heard it all 100 times over. These kids need to play HARD all game long. Football is about blocking and tackling. Do those two things better than your opponent and play smart and then you win.

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 4:16pm #

just utilize the individual skillets of our players. we have dynamic play makers on each side of the ball, use them. This has been discussed before, but maybe something similar to the 2005-2006 Buckeyes with Troy Smith under center.

also, TWO BACK SET FTW!

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 4:16pm #

I'll take anything that works.

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 4:19pm #

skillets, ha

SKILL SETS*

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buckeyedude39 on 9 September 2009 - 4:51pm #

I like the change at DB. Maybe Russell is getting too complacent. I agree also that we need to get a lot of the young LBs some playing time. We're stacked there, and maybe these whipper-snappers are hungry enough to cause a turnover.

Pressure the young, cocky QB, Barkley early. He disrespected Ohio State in the USA Today. That defensive line needs to hit him hard, and hit him early! Get him rattled. That is really our big chance in this game.

Crowd needs to be LOUD and encourage these Buckeyes when the going gets tough. AND, the OFFENSIVE LINE needs to protect Pryor so he has TIME TO THROW THE BALL! Everybody knows he can run.

One other thing: when OSU won the NC in '02, didn't our DBs play a lot more "man coverage?" If we dont' get pressure on Barkley, we'll get picked apart no matter what, I think.

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buckeyedude39 on 9 September 2009 - 4:58pm #

Mike Doss. I have the dude's #2 number, home jersey. Let's start a petition to bring him back! ;)

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buckeyedude39 on 9 September 2009 - 4:59pm #

I'm on your side, dude! GO BUCKEYES! We CAN do this!

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Kyle on 9 September 2009 - 5:39pm #

I think the key to Saturday's game consists of us scoring more points than our opponents or to put it another way to hold our opponents to less points than what we score. Now get me a job on College Gameday becase that's what I call analysis!

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 5:43pm #

ha, reminds me of the water boy "you gotta leave it all on the field!!"

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Baba Booey on 9 September 2009 - 5:57pm #

Spitler is being moved to better facilitate his strengths. he didn't have that bad of a game by the way.. and we will probably see Sabino as well now..

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Baba Booey on 9 September 2009 - 5:58pm #

Hines is a maniac and athletic as hell.. give him more PT to get him more comfortable and learn a bit and the guy is going to be a big time playmaker

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 6:08pm #

Thad Gibson meet Matt Barkley. Matt Barkley meet Thaddeus Maximus.

I don't think sore ribs on the young QB is too much to ask for.

Man Coverage for the corners, maybe one of the safeties drops back and plays a lil zone or help on their number one wideout.

I'm calling it now, Coleman gets a pick in this game.

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BuckeyeSki on 9 September 2009 - 6:16pm #

Kyle-

That is BETTER analysis than GameDay offers bro-nameth

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Rob on 9 September 2009 - 6:20pm #

It was clear to me as early as the Troy game from last year that A Russell was a serious liability. Don't know whether it was that game or another, but he totally whiffed on a goal line tackle that went for a TD. That was it for me!

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Bobby on 9 September 2009 - 6:25pm #

Dantonio did play a lot of zone. The difference was we were able to get a pass rush from our D-Line (thus preventing Miami's O-Line from getting to the second level and eliminating the need to bring extra blitzers).

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 6:26pm #

The old Tampa-Two I think it was. I think we still run that scheme now, but like you said, the difference maker is pressure on the QB.

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Naptown Buckeye on 9 September 2009 - 6:27pm #

Pretty good stuff...

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/...

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Bobby on 9 September 2009 - 6:30pm #

Completely off-topic: I love dogs, but am I the only one who really doesn't give a shit what TP2 (or the rest of the team for that matters) puts on his eyeblack? It's clear by listening to TP2 speak and by reading his Twitter page that he's no (academically) Krenzel or Lanese, nor do I really care. All I care about is TP2 punking some Trojan ass; not what him, Posey, Hines, and Thaddeus think. Am I the only one who feels this way?

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BuckeyeSki on 9 September 2009 - 6:34pm #

Not at all man. I feel the same exact way.

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BuckeyeMark on 9 September 2009 - 6:40pm #

Kyle = genius

is your first name Lou and do you spit when you talk about how great Notre Dame is?

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes on 9 September 2009 - 7:20pm #

I agree that TP can idolize whomever he wishes. I also agree that Mike Vick paid his debt and am glad he is allowed to make a living. BUT, if TP wants to defend Vick I would like him to do it intelligently. Of course he is no Krenzel, but at least make a comment that makes sense. He had to know there would be a question from the media about it. A planned comment would have been better received.

I am very glad (and somewhat surprised to be honest) that more has not been made of the statement. The last thing we need is for him to be distracted by the added pressure involved with defending what he said (given all the hlluabaloo about the trickery he attempted when he declared tOSU--remember the whole 'the University of Ohio State).

You are certainly right to not care what they think, but what they say to the media can and will be used against them in the court of public opinion and that always has the potential to impact what they do on the field.

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 7:24pm #

"eye-black-gate" has been blown way WAY out of proportion. So has that half of a quote TP gave about murder..... out of context and an incomplete thought.

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BuckeyeSki on 9 September 2009 - 7:36pm #

Wordz

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes on 9 September 2009 - 7:49pm #

I think that part of the reason we all loved Troy so much is that he knew what to say--aside from the humble, all team effort stuff--is that he was not controversial. I think that is my point. Someone with so much attention on them should be careful with comments and not just aviod bulletin board material, but also things that could lead to off field distractions. I am pretty sure we agree that it has been blown out of proportion (and to go a little further, could have been worse), but the LAST thing we need are the haters to have an excuse to start banging the 'character issue' drum. His talent speaks for itself and everyone who missed out on getting him wants nothing more than to be able to say they were glad he didnt come to their school.

Is saying be careful too much?

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 7:52pm #

he did all the right things AFTER his suspension in 2005. no one, not even troy smith, was perfect.

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes on 9 September 2009 - 8:04pm #

I am not talking about suspension, or even actions for that matter. I am talking about comments to the media...

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gbm on 9 September 2009 - 8:19pm #

Great move, now I'm starting to get excited for the game all over again after last week's poor win.

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 8:48pm #

Well if you want to say Troy Smith is the perfect example you need to look at the whole picture. He accepted some money from a booster which is a big no no.

My point is that no one is perfect, so why do we expect a 20 year old sophomore in college who is under the microscope to be perfect?

Troy and everyone else has brought on their own haters because that is the nature of the hater. The hate what they envy. Don't expect more from TP than what is realistic. (3 natl. championships. I kid, only 2)

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 8:54pm #

you're not talking about being suspended for 1.5 games for taking money from a booster which is a direct violation of NCAA rules? You've got to be kidding me.

I don't think Troy was allowed to speak to the media until his junior season, not that anyone knew who he really was before that.

Also, if we want to talk about bad press/bad comments how about the infamous "banquet circuit" comment maybe by Troy. Remember that one? That and how much he loved in-n-out before the title game debacle.

Sure, he may not have said anything about murder, but TP's quote was taken out of context and wasn't even his complete thought.

The real point here is don't expect the world from 20 year olds, let's be realistic. everyone makes mistakes. (except tim tebow, gag)

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southbaybuckeye on 9 September 2009 - 9:19pm #

actually, it was 2.5. He was suspended for the alamo bowl, the opener the following season and then split time with the Zwack Attack for Texas.

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Markell Riley on 9 September 2009 - 10:20pm #

He slow.

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Jim on 9 September 2009 - 10:57pm #

I'm not sure Troy is who you should be bringing up if you are trying to say that is who TP should be emulating. Southbaybuck mentions the booster incident but what about the on campus assualt he was involved with earlier in his career at OSU. My memory is fuzzy but I think he hit a female.

Nothing like that so far for TP. He said a few ill advised wordz...he is a kid that should be given a break.

Just win baby!

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southbaybuckeye on 10 September 2009 - 12:28am #

maybe his example should be Archie. He did it right on and off of the field.

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes on 10 September 2009 - 1:25am #

Wow. You guys have some serious hero worship going on. Give me a break. My point is simple--you have a spotlight on you, dont say stupid stuff. Oh, and btw, the whole twenty year old thing? Puh-leeze. He is not your average twenty year old, now is he? Do other twenty year olds have people lined up to get thier autographs???? Do twenty year olds have legions of alumni following their every move? If he were any other 20 year old, who would give a flip what he says. BUT HE IS NOT. He is the QB at a major program who represents you, me and every other person who has had the absolute honor to be a part of this University.

Oh, and when did I say 'emulate' Troy? Again the example was they way he SPOKE TO THE MEDIA. Not about boosters, suspensions, or his escapades prior to the Fiesta in 2006.

Southbaybuckeye, specifically, why are you so hostile? To answer your questions (although I am fairly sure I laid it out prior to this post), NO I am NOT talking about taking money from a booster, and NO I am NOT kidding.

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Bobby on 10 September 2009 - 1:56am #

Angel,
I admittedly do have a TP2 man crush (I have a scarlet #2 and the LiC t-shirt). You're right; TP2 does represent TOSU, my alma mater. In fact, he's probably the most recognizable face of TOSU right now. You know how I want TP2 to represent me and everyone else on this website? By punking some USC bitches.

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes on 10 September 2009 - 2:06am #

On that we can agree!

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southbaybuckeye on 10 September 2009 - 2:53am #

Simple terms: no one is perfect. Athletes are not always role models nor should they be made out to be.

And hero worship? I don't think so. I am merely trying to point out that your example, as much as i loved to watch him play too, is not perfect. Troy, TP, ets may be athletes that are in front of the media, but that doesn't mean they are always shining examples for people to look up to.

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Maje on 10 September 2009 - 3:03am #

Someone I know and I were talking all offseason about converting Hines to a LB. Beef him up, put him on the strong side, and see how he does.

I think we'll see him play more of a Star position. He'll line up a lot like a LB, but have a DB's sort of duties, keeping the outside in check and the like. I hope we'll see a lot of Amos/Torrence at nickel, playing a more traditional DB role.

The result is something that is very flexible, we could have Hines blitzing or cheating against the run, or have him drop back into some coverage and play a zone with 5 DBs, or even fake a blitz from Hines and zone blitz from the other side. It's very versatile, almost like playing a 3-3-5 with a strong focus on the run.

We won't see it, it's very unorthodox, but it's the kind of package when we put Malcolm in at safety in some nickel plays that would just throw quarterbacks through a loop.

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Denny @ WFNY on 10 September 2009 - 1:51pm #

Apparently that jersey is very similar to Pryor's home jersey.

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Denny @ WFNY on 10 September 2009 - 1:54pm #

FWIW Jay Marrioti jumped on the bandwagon about a week late today.

http://www.waitingfornextyear....

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Jim on 10 September 2009 - 2:55pm #

Angel Heart, my apologies for using the term emulate.
You did say that Troy did not make controversial statements.
You may be right but his actions sure were controversial...
assault, boosters, banquet circuit. So do we really want to
compare troy and TP character?? Proably not.

Just win baby!

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southbaybuckeye on 10 September 2009 - 3:08pm #

another reason to hate mariotti

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes on 10 September 2009 - 3:45pm #

Again, did not compare character between TP and TS, but rather a media savvy. I do not expect TP to be perfect, or to be a role model. And whether or not we WANT athletes to be role models, it happens (even if Charles Barkley thinks otherwise).

All I am saying is that if you do something intentionally (like wear eye black in support of someone controversial), then be prepared to answer questions…that’s not being a role model btw, it’s having common sense.

Oh, and did I ever condemn TP for doing it? Nope. Just said make an effort to be careful. I am sure JT would echo that sentiment.

Wow, you would think I said bench the guy or something.

USC cant get here fast enough.

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