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Five Things: Southern Cal

Boom Herron and company lost their heads in the 35-3 decapitation of the program (AP: Mark J. Terrill)

Disclaimer: I usually try to remove emotion from my posts but I just can’t do that today. If you don’t want to read factual negativity, move along because I can’t help it. It’s time to be realistic about this team and the state of this program.

Reality Check
Last night’s debacle should make even the most diehard fan realize this season’s hopes were more about hype than substance. I admit I didn’t realize this until last night, but it’s now loud and clear and inarguable and disgusting.

Just taking a quick look at each position in comparison to the Trojans, including the coaches, and you see a list of mismatches. On the field, USC probably has the edge at QB, RB (sans Beanie), WR, OL, DL, LB, Safety, PK, KO, K, and Kick Return.

OSU has the edge at Corner and Punter.

On the sidelines, USC has the edge at Head Coach, O-Coordinator and D-Coordinator.

OSU has the edge in..well, they have no edge at any coaching spot. I guess maybe Fickell could pin USC’s D-Coordinator. But if he did, it would probably be negated by a penalty.


The Off-Season Must Produce Changes
Even the most loyal Tressel backer has to be second guessing himself this afternoon. That said, the Vest isn’t going anywhere making it paramount that other major coaching changes occur. That’s not a knee-jerk reaction - it’s just a fact.

I mean, how is it that Carroll can lose guys like Norm Chow and his offense gets better while OSU loses guys like Snyder and Dantonio and gets worse?

Collectively, the staff was amazingly outcoached and the team was once again unprepared and undisciplined on the biggest stage. Ten penalties?! I know the refs were questionable at best but 10 freaking penalties? Thirty freaking yards of offense in the second half?! Nice adjustments. Changes must be made after the Champs Sports Bowl (I kid).

Start with Bollman. The offensive line has been an overrated joke for years but nothing is done about it. The line is good enough to beat bad teams - nothing more. Under Bollman’s guidance, Boone has gotten progressively worse and the collective unit has been embarrassed in every true big game save Miami. How many starters does Bollman have in the NFL now? One?

As Tressel’s right hand man on offense, Bollman also has to share responsibility for the aforementioned 30 second half yards of offense. And if Bollman had anything to do with Boeckman not being permanently benched after the Pick Six, then he needs punched in the nuts as he’s boxing up his belongings come January.

Man, I hate to come off like because I’m not a “Fire Everybody” kind of guy but am I wrong?

I know Walt Harris was hanging around the practices for a spell. Maybe he can come back. Hell, let Mike Conley and Daequan take the reigns a la the spring game - I’m desperate over here.

Heacock also needs to be shown the door. The defense has been underwhelming for far too long and watching the unit play not to lose in big games is no longer tolerable. Mark Sanchez should not be picking apart OSU’s defense. Of course, as I type that, I’m reminded there are definitely more talent weaknesses than I thought coming in to the season. (I’m looking at you Russell, Laurinaitis, and Heyward, among others.)


The Sequence that Spelled Doom
Trailing 14-3, the holding call on Person negating the TD toss to Robo was obviously a huge play but what followed was equally demoralizing and confusing. The penalty put OSU in a 2nd and 22 hole at the USC 31 yard line and what do Tressel and Bollman come up with?

In what was the most aggravating play call I can ever remember, the offensive minds run a Boeckman keeper that gains 2 yards setting up a 3rd and 20. Are you kidding me? Those two thought that was the time to unleash the “Big Galoot Scoot”? Sickening. Tressel Era playcalling in a nutshell. Of course, the drive would become more pathetic as Pretorious pushed a 46 yard FG try.

Then, following a three and out by the defense, Herron and Pryor both popped nice 11 yard runs setting up Boeckman’s pick six to Superfly Jimmy Snuka giving USC a 21-3 lead with 2:49 left in the half. Game Over.


It’s Pryor Time (aka Prep for 2009)
As talented as Pryor is, he’s got plenty of work to do to become a true quarterback. That’s exactly why he should start the rest of the season.

Of course, it’s more likely he’ll just continue to split time with Boeckman, but after a 14/21, 84 yard, 3 turnover performance, Tressel has all the reason he needs to bench the Todd with an eye on next year.

Maybe I’m in the minority (I doubt it), but I could give a rats ass about winning the Big Ten. The conference is second tier right now and if the program’s intent is to compete for national titles then some sacrifices must be made and some feelings must be hurt.

Don’t just stop with Pryor. It’s time for the young offensive linemen to get significant snaps in place of clowns like Person, Browning and Rehring.


Random ADD Induced Thoughts

  • Prophetic Sign of the Night: Another Buckeye Catastrophe
  • Not having Beanie was a huge blow but he couldn’t have made a 32 point difference. At least I hope not because it would be even more depressing to think one guy is that important to what was supposed to be a stacked roster.
  • How many years will it take for the program to recover from Florida-LSU-USC? Three? Five? Ten?
  • The offense has scored 23 points in the last 8 quarters.
  • How did those 35 unanswered points taste? If you combine a similar stretch against LSU (31 straight points between 1st-3rd quarters) the Buckeyes surrendered 66 unanswered points combined in those two program defining “contests”.

61 Responses

  1. Joe Fox

    This sucks. I’m still sick to my stomach. Just sick.

    Joe Fox - 09/14/08 @ 3:28 pm - #

  2. sean

    Jason, Why is it that you,me, my cousin and my brother in-law have all been saying the EXACT same thing that you are writing today? Any idiot with eyeballs and a TV set should be able to figure this out. But for some reason the magnetic force inside the WHAC has distorted the brainwaves of the people who run this program. Maybe that site was a toxic waste dump years ago. I have been a loyal fan since birth, but I can no longer give so much of my time to this crap if something doesnt change. If TP isn’t the starter next week….I’m done for this year.

    sean - 09/14/08 @ 3:29 pm - #

  3. I am too heartsick to muster up anything more than ” I agree!” with everything you have written. I still love them but we need changes. I have never been so embarazzed for the coachs and players. Keeping Boeckman out there was terrible! I was so obvious he wasnt giving us a chance to score let alone win. Why Tress? Why?

    Juannie - 09/14/08 @ 3:32 pm - #

  4. carl schirg

    I also think it/s time to seriouly time to consider showing Tressel the door. As a long time Buckeye fan (55 years) I’,m tired of being embarrased on the national scene.
    The Buckeyes were totaly ill prepared for USC. The offensive line was totaly inept for all the experience they have. Todd can’t throw if he has no time. Pryor is not ready to take over. he looked good ant times and looked confused alot of the time.The only one on defense that came to play was #33. The secondary was confused all night. The team looked like they were intimidated from the out set.
    Lets hope this was a wake up call to everyone and maybe they can win the Big Ten and get to Pasadena.

    carl schirg - 09/14/08 @ 3:34 pm - #

  5. I’m in partial agreement here on the Tressel bit. I think Tressel is great and I want to keep him simply because 5 years from now, I still want to be thinking “Conference titles are second-tier” rather than “I wish we could win a conference title.”

    Would we be worse off being a Penn State-ish team that wins conference titles/BCS games every 6-8 years or what we have now?

    Seth - 09/14/08 @ 3:45 pm - #

  6. sean..just to clarify - I wrote this particular post but I think we’re all in general agreement about the current state of things…tough day to be a buckeye.

    chris - 09/14/08 @ 3:46 pm - #

  7. At this point I have to wonder if we’ll beat Troy next week. Also, I don’t think there is much of a chance of winning the Weak Ten title if we don’t get something resembling a good offense/defense. We’re overrated and that’s that. I’m gonna go listen to some emo now.

    oh man.... - 09/14/08 @ 4:10 pm - #

  8. I wonder what all the seniors are thinking about now as they see their draft stock drop considerably?

    - Rey M. will be drafted ahead of Laurinitis.
    - Alex Boone is no longer a first rounder. Probably a third to fourth round pick.
    - USC threw to any receiver they wanted, regardless of who was covering…that means Jenkins will drop in the draft as well.
    - Boeckman will be drafted but probably not until the really late rounds.
    - Beanie is the most talented Buckeye and he is only a junior. He has the opportunity to stay another year. If he leaves early he will be the first picked.
    - Robiskie is a third rounder now.

    Let the Pryor Era begin.

    I really don’t want to see OSU win the Big Ten this year. How will that look to everyone in the country? A team that got steamrolled by USC is the Big Ten Champion? That will bring even more discredit to the conference.

    OSU Needed This - 09/14/08 @ 4:13 pm - #

  9. we need to be serious. Jesus could have been pulling the coaching strings last night and nothing would have changed. The biggest problem is not our coaching but exactly what you said in the opening paragraph. we were outmanned severely by a better usc team. Wells wouldn’t have changed a solitary thing. I think its time as a program that we realize where we stand. we are not that good. playing youngstowns, ohios, and troys, no disrespect to them does not make us any better. To get to the level that we’ll need to be we are going to have to start finding better competition. That will give us real perspective on where our program really is, and ensure that we are not surprised in any of these big games. how can you go from playing youngstown and michigan every year to the national championship game and just expect to suddenly turn it up a notch. it never works like that. true champions are tested by real adversity. we are not doing ourselves any favors by playing a weak big 10 and other marshmellows. so long as we continue to do that expectations will always outweigh reality and our boys will not get the competition they need to get up to the next level.

    brutus - 09/14/08 @ 4:14 pm - #

  10. I think the coaching staff needs to realize that the “3 Yards and a Cloud of Dust” Era is LOOONG gone. Yeah it worked for Woody and yeah it worked in the 60’s and 70’s but players today are faster, slimmer, and more explosive. You can’t just set up a bunch of 325 pound linemen and use their size to block anymore. The SEC and other teams across the nation have learned this. Fat people are not athletes. The offense of the future is all built around speed and power…not who can eat the most and special teams play.

    I have a bad feeling about Troy after this game.

    OSU Needed This - 09/14/08 @ 4:23 pm - #

  11. Matt

    Let’s be real: 9 months of lifting weights and running sprints doesn’t teach a bunch of seniors how to run faster, hit harder, want the W more. That’s innate. I think Pryor showed he has that spark in him, and I’m hoping the freshman around him are witnessing and disugsted with what a bloated, insulated program Ohio State football has become. Don’t get me wrong, I am a Tressel guy, and I love beating Michigan. No matter what, winning the Big 10 does matter. I think the mythical national title game is a lot of bunk, and I don’t like the politicking involved. But we obviously don’t have top flight assistant coaches, who do the majority of the in-the-trenches coaching. There are no longer programs attempting to cherry-pick our coaches for the head-job. That should be a clue-in. Bollman and Heacock had their fun at the helm of a proud progam; now we need new blood. The great recruits are coming in, but for how much longer who knows while we keep these incompetent assistant coaches around.

    Matt - 09/14/08 @ 4:29 pm - #

  12. Matt

    And P.S., this is the only sports site I will allow myself to now read. I keep accidentally opening up ESPN.com or si.com, only to catch myself and quickly close the browser. I can’t stand to read the filth that the sports ‘journalists’ are writing about us. It’s good at least to be among kindred sufferers.

    Matt - 09/14/08 @ 4:32 pm - #

  13. As a long suffering UCLA fan and alumnus, with family in Michigan and Illinois,
    your disappointment will soon be over. I on the other hand I am reminded on a daily
    basis of USC the football tradition with those USC banners draped over balconies,
    etc. but only during football season. However during basketball season you don’t see
    many UCLA banners.

    It is only about 10 years ago that UCLA had an 8 game win streak over USC and USC
    had not beaten Notre Dame for 9 years. There were no banners back then but it all
    seems like ancient history under the reign of Pete Carroll. One of the USC blogs
    refers to him as Caesar.

    Having lived through the John McKay era, the Pete Carroll program is more
    dominating. partly because UCLA under Prothro and Dick Vermeil was able win on a
    regular basis.

    But I do have a begrudging respect for what Pete Carroll has accomplished at USC.
    Remember that USC got lucky, Carrol was the 3rd choice for the job behind
    Mike Riley and Jeff Tedford.

    While I sympathsize with you, the Buckeyes and the Big 10 fans need a reality
    check. The Big 10 is overrated and that applies to Notre Dame as well. It is
    manifestly clear that Ohio State and Michigan were not the 2 best teams in 2006,
    but the media and polls kept up the illusion week after week, which was destroyed by
    the bowl ressults.

    I have never been a fan of the SEC because they never or rarely travel, they play
    week OOC teams and have suspect academic standards, guys like Pacman Jones would
    never have been admitted to Michigan. Yet they do have some good football teams.
    Just because Florida plays the Citadel is no reason for Wisconsin to play Cal Poly,
    Ohio State to play Troy or Ohio U nor for Michigan to play Toledo. USC and most Pac
    10 schools will not play 1-AA schools. Or at least beat the crap out of them.

    Joe Bruin - 09/14/08 @ 4:35 pm - #

  14. I agree. Bollman and Heacock must go. Until then, this program will not take the next step.

    Buckeye - 09/14/08 @ 4:43 pm - #

  15. Matt

    Joe Bruin,

    I don’t think any of us disagreed with you there. None of us are saying that USC cheated or was the crappier team. We all freely admit that the Big 10 is down. What we aren’t resigned to is giving up on the squad and letting them devolve into some 2nd tier crap fest. Down, but not out.

    Matt - 09/14/08 @ 4:46 pm - #

  16. Joe Bruin,

    I heard that OSU will no longer play 1-AA schools any longer. But is unrealistic to schedule top flight competition for EVERY week on your schedule. It isn’t bad to play a MAC or Sun-Belt team. Every now and then they show up and knock a team off.

    Like i said before…OSU needed this humiliation. I think the bashing of OSU will increase for a time but will soon fall drastically due to the fact that ridiculously fanatic OSU fans will stop touting OSU around like they are God’s team. Any excuse to explain OSU’s disaster against USC should be laughed at. There are no excuses like in 2006 (layoff period) and 2007 (Homefield advantage/”rebuilding” year). Now OSU can get out of the spotlight and away from all the media and just win games.

    OSU Needed This - 09/14/08 @ 4:51 pm - #

  17. I’ve been reading here for a while but never felt compelled to comment until last nights debacle.

    Agree with all points, especially about the “It’s Pryor Time.” 2008 has GOT TO now become Pryor prep for 2009, similar to Troy prep back in 2004. Who cares if Boeckman is a senior and was 1st Team Big Ten last year. Who cares if the Bucks drop some games this year. Last nights game means casualties.

    OL needs some benchings. Agree with the coaching changes also. Coordinators need to go ASAP. No more ridiculous zone coverages. ARGHH. If the Bucks are so certain they’ve got the athletes and recruits then let them line up and play tight man coverage ala the SEC and use their raw talent.

    As for the players. Agree with “OSU needed this” that most have seen their stock significantly drop and most have been rightfully noted as overrated. Laurinits is just simply not on the same level as Hawk or Wilhelm or any of the great linebackers we’ve become accostumed to watching recently.

    The only player on D, with some heart appears to be Jenkins. He’s the only player I am not pissed at on that unit, but even Jenkins has some holes in his game and gets lost on a few big plays every game.

    Sad day in Buckeye land…

    Lance - 09/14/08 @ 4:52 pm - #

  18. USC rules, everyone else sucks.
    ha ha

    Sasha Aggarwal - 09/14/08 @ 4:53 pm - #

  19. Michigan lost to App State last year and came back to beat Florida.

    OSU can still have a respectable year and finish in the top ten. Hopefully they challenge a SEC team in a bowl game and can try to claw there way back into the fan’s graces.

    K - 09/14/08 @ 4:54 pm - #

  20. Buckeye Mom

    I am a mere high school teacher, but figured out this problem (coaching changes). If I can, why can’t Tressel? I live in Southern California and I dread going into work tomorrow. USC fans are terrible losers and even worse winners. Yikes!

    Buckeye Mom - 09/14/08 @ 4:56 pm - #

  21. Sasha….agreed.

    USC is dominate. I don’t see anyone stopping them.

    K - 09/14/08 @ 4:59 pm - #

  22. Couldn’t agree more with you on this entire post. Fuck winning the Big Ten! The Big Ten is already the joke of college football so it doesn’t matter if we win it or not. Winning THE BIG GAMES is what defines a school’s football program, and we can’t seem to do that.

    The play calling was pretty good in the first couple of series, but then completely fell apart after the penalty that took away the Robo TD. We led USC in time of possession and we still got blown out. That says a lot about how weak our offense and play calling are.

    Changes def need to be made in the coaching staff in the off season, and Pryor needs to start ASAP.

    PG - 09/14/08 @ 5:21 pm - #

  23. Couldn’t agree more with you on this entire post. Fuck winning the Big Ten! The Big Ten is already the joke of college football so it doesn’t matter if we win it or not. Winning THE BIG GAMES is what defines a school’s football program, and we can’t seem to do that.

    The play calling was pretty good in the first couple of series, but then completely fell apart after the penalty that took away the Robo TD. At first I was impressed with the dual QB game plan and the various formations we threw at them. We were in fact moving the chains for awhile. Then Tressell like always when we’re losing and in a hole, plays it too close to the vest. We led USC in time of possession and we still got blown out. That says a lot about how weak our offense and play calling are.

    Changes def need to be made in the coaching staff in the off season, and Pryor needs to start ASAP.

    PG - 09/14/08 @ 5:24 pm - #

  24. Coaching changes are a must, all Buckeye fans will agree. We’re some of the greatest, most dedicated fans in college football, and we have stuck by Tressel and the team through the 4-loss 2004 season, the heartbreaking losses of 2005, and the last two seasons of big game debacles. But this is the last straw. We’re sick of defending the indefensible.

    Tressel has, by all accounts, virtually destroyed Michigan’s football program, and has righted the ship that Cooper almost ran aground. Towards the end of Coop’s run, he was still getting really good athletes, but they were liabilities off the field. OSU became a verifiable thug school in the late 1990s, and Tressel has made the OSU football program a place to build great character as well as play good football. So to that end, cheers to him.

    But with all this emphasis on leadership, and unit accomplishment, and approaching the game with a vanilla attitude, there is certainly an intensity that fails to manifest in the most critical of moments. This team absolutely crumbles in the face of adversity. They think they can just prepare in practice and show up and win, and that all the things that are going to happen in the game are what happened in practice. YOU CAN’T PLAY FOOTBALL THAT WAY!!!

    I watched some of the Big Ten practice on BTN before the season started, and Heacock has to be the least intense defensive coach in the nation. I remember thinking, “Why is no one getting yelled at? There’s no way they’re all doing everything right!”

    In terms of being a massive program like Ohio State, it’s all meaningless if you can’t be a hardliner when push comes to shove. I don’t care if Boeckman has been here for 30 years, knows every play, and lights up the defense in practice. I don’t care if he’s a really nice guy. With this offensive line, HE CANNOT GET IT DONE! That’s the harsh reality of this game. The coaches at this level should not have to learn that from us.

    It’s Pryor’s time. He’s the future. The O-linemen that are his age play with 10 times more fire than the seniors. Devier Posey, Ray Small (even though he’s a dumbshit), Dane Sanzenbacher - those the true Ohio State Buckeyes in my opinion, the ones that want to win more than live.

    It’d be foolish for Tressel and his staff to, yet again, be one and a half steps behind what everyone else thinks is the obvious next move - let the young guys play.

    Steve - 09/14/08 @ 5:39 pm - #

  25. Sorry for the double post before, but I wanna also add this.

    Did anyone see the interview with Hartline during the post game show? I didn’t like how “nonchalant” and unemotional he looked when answering questions. Maybe it was just him, but I wanna see the players look and act angry when they lose a big game. It at least shows that they have a little heart and played with it on the field that game. You guys just got embarrassed on national tv, again, let’s see some emotion and anger at how poorly you played.

    Seems like the Buckeyes don’t have an emotional and vocal leader (maybe Beanie at times) to fire the troops up. They all seem about as exciting as a cereal box or Todd Boeckman.

    PG - 09/14/08 @ 5:44 pm - #

  26. Well, I went to bed pissed off and disappointed and woke up that way. Now, I’m ok with the fact that the past few years tOSU has been a top 20 program not a top 10. I think the team needed this loss as a wake up call. If all those seniors can’t rally around now to save face then nothing can get them motivated to win. If Pryor isn’t on the field at least 50% of the time then Tressel is throwing this season away. The team believes in Pryor, why else would they all stand up and watch everytime he touches the ball. Boeckman was benefited by a weak schedule last year, he cannot produce against elite talent…

    Anonymous - 09/14/08 @ 6:00 pm - #

  27. Jason

    What’s amazing about Hartline is how much smack he talked in the summer. He needs to STFU until he can produce consistently.

    Jason - 09/14/08 @ 6:18 pm - #

  28. You guys are in rare form today. It seems blogs do best under pressure when their teams cannot (see BHGP and MgoBlog last year). Nice work, really. I’m still laughing at Superfly Jimmy Snuka.

    Moving on, changes must be made if we want to start winning the big ones again. I’m all for snatching the OC from Missouri and the DC from Va Tech by flashing outrageous amounts of dollar bills, women, booze, and Caddys etc. right now. Like you, I’m desperate. I don’t want Tressel fired under any circumstance. He has revitalized the program, but his coordinators and his nepotism are KILLING everything he brought to it.

    poguemahone - 09/14/08 @ 6:19 pm - #

  29. Kurt

    Jason, everything you’re saying is on the money, I have nothing to add. However, the one thing that makes me truly sick to the stomach is envisioning what will happen next Saturday in the Shoe when Todd comes onto the field. It’s going to be more ugly than the receptions Zwick got, and MORE UNFAIR. I just beg anyone who’s reading this and who will be in the stadium Saturday to NOT boo Boeckman. It was a team loss, a coaching loss, but not a loss caused by any one individual. Let’s show our class - ala Ray Small!

    Kurt - 09/14/08 @ 6:37 pm - #

  30. Jason

    Agree, Kurt, but just to clarify, Chris wrote the above post. 11W has three writers: Chris, Corey and myself. And we’re all on suicide watch today.

    Jason - 09/14/08 @ 6:40 pm - #

  31. Boeckman deserves to be booed, along with the entire team. Its one thing to play hard and lose in a good football game. What happened last night was something else entirely. Todd Boeckman, while he may be a nice guy, is not the best option for us at quarterback going forward. Move on down the bench.

    Kyle - 09/14/08 @ 7:14 pm - #

  32. Kurt

    Hey Kyle, I totally agree on a couple counts: I want us to pack it in and play Pryor from here on out, booing at the team as a whole is fine, but I just don’t want to see fans unfairly taking it out on one guy.

    Kurt - 09/14/08 @ 7:50 pm - #

  33. lane

    *)Norm Chow, my heart pines!

    **)herd one of the radio talking heads on Fri/Sat talking about socal & something they do called ‘competition tuesday’. said they couldn’t wait until each tuesday b/c they went 1’s v 1’s for ~35 plays & at game speed while keeping score. said that most teams would grimace at the thought of this. sorry, but this gives my secret football spot a ‘boner’. the game last night must’ve seemed like a walk in the park compared to what they encounter each and every tuesday. want to get better?…play against the best. sounds like an idea that would be thought up by someone making, um, i don’t know…..3.5 million dollars!!! i realize their roster is about 5 deep at every position & this could lead to injury concerns over a long season, but it sounds to me like a bunch of kids who like to play the game taking every advantage of the time they have to play. what better opportunity to match up and win your position week in a week out. if you had someone breathing down your back for the start each saturday, i’d bet you’d lay it on the line each ‘tuesday’ so your family/fans/friends wouldn’t see you riding the pine, and this would make each and every kid out there a better player. competition breeds excellence. time to stop being nice and start being better. i think this sort of thought process demands some attention in the WHAC - can you tell?

    ***)i could have pulled off that blind sided sack on boeckman & i’m 5′9″ ~160#. there was no ‘hot read’, no screaming at boone for ‘heads up’ (rediculous that this is even necessary)….nothing. poor mistakes for a senior - in high school. this wasn’t the first time or the last we’ll see that scenario played out. again, this can’t all be heaped on boeckman. it all starts with the coaches/coaching/schemes. the saying goes ‘if i haven’t learned it yet i never will.’

    ****)does anyone have Mr. Chow’s cell phone number? sorry, just asking.

    *****)feel sorry for beanie as i think he just missed playing in the biggest game of his entire life (college and pro). no way he would’ve made the difference, but at least he could’ve left it all out there on the field and be able to say he tried his best. one thing you can count on, maybe the only thing you can count on with this team, is Chris Wells laying it on the line. no one could ever deny that. sorry beanie!

    lane - 09/14/08 @ 8:10 pm - #

  34. Finally OSU fans realize they have been completely overrated for years. Buckeye diehards couldn’t see the forest thru the trees.Good luck to your program and may the ax fall where needed.

    sanity - 09/14/08 @ 8:19 pm - #

  35. Poe McKnoe

    I tried to hit the restart on my Xbox, but it didn’t work.

    Player of the game? Uh, Chimdi Chekwa. He did have a pass break up and prevented another 7 on the board.

    We might as well give Joe Bauserman a shot while we’re at it. He couldn’t be worse than Boeckman, right? I’d like to sit down with Todd, just to ask him whose ass he pulled that Penn State game out of. It definitely wasn’t his.

    Poe McKnoe - 09/14/08 @ 8:27 pm - #

  36. Bucksfanxc

    I’m all aboard for major staff changes, just not Tressel, yet atleast. He still runs a tight ship, he just needs to realize he needs help preferably someone who can motivate this team to show up for big games and mix up the offense play calling and mount a defense that actually stops someone who can play call.

    But here’s my thoughts, the bulk of the blame is really on the other Big Ten teams. In Tressel’s time at tOSU, the other 10 teams in the conference have fallen from glory (well atleast the ones that were there to start with). scUofM really faded out in Llyold last years, mostly because Tres figured him out and adapted a team to beat him (and apparently only him). MSU went thru three coaching changes none of which were worth a damn. I have no excuse for why Iowa fell off the map. Wisc might be the lone exception as they have continued to improve or atleast stayed consistent, which might be why they have a thorn in our side. Penn State won’t start turning around until they Paterno leaves, and hopefully his son doesn’t take over cuz I don’t think he’s the answer. Purdue is down, Indy is down, Northwestern is down, Minny has always been down. Illini are just starting to right the ship.

    My point is that these teams make up most of our schedule every year (throw in some cupcake Ohio teams and one big game OOC loss) and these are the teams Tressel designs his team and playbook to beat. Unfortunately they all suck that bad and are that predictable that we didn’t have to exactly invent the spread to win 10 games every year and get a Big Ten title and thus a BCS bid, and for the last two years a gift wrapped NC invite. But if we want to join the rest of the elite football world, outgrow the 60s-80s-Big-Ten-3yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust mentalility then we need to make a few steps forward OR wait until the rest of the football elite glass ceilings out and plays back down to our level. I hope last night finally made ppl, and not just us reading this blog - ppl who can make the decisions like the AD, take notice that Tressel (and all of his players) have become complacent with being the best of the worst.

    Bucksfanxc - 09/14/08 @ 8:35 pm - #

  37. PAC 10 fans

    USC is the only quality team in the PAC 10. UCLA got crushed by BYU, Oregon squeaked by Purdue which is a 2nd tier Big Ten team and Cal got knocked off by Maryland.

    Marc - 09/14/08 @ 9:46 pm - #

  38. buckeyedude

    Did anyone notice that Boeckman did better out of the shotgun, which gave him more time to see the field and square his shoulders and make better throws? Why did they not keep Boeckman in the SHOTGUN? It was working(early on)!

    Still I think he should be benched, along with the majority of the O and D-lines. Boeckman, Boone, Rehring, Cordle should be replaced by Pryor, Brewster, Adams, Shugarts.

    buckeyedude - 09/14/08 @ 11:35 pm - #

  39. I have a lot of respect for the tradition and base at OSU. OSU should be in it for BCS titles, not satisfied with the Big Ten. You need to start Pryor now and prep for 2009. USC does not have a “problem” with running QBs. What, we can’t beat Washington because Jake Locker can run? USC like everyone else had a problem with 2 amazing running QBs, Vince Young and Dennis Dixon. Pryor can be that guy, gave me Young flashbacks

    USC Fan - 09/14/08 @ 11:38 pm - #

  40. Matt

    I will say this USC Fan: I hate it when the Buckeyes lose, but USC was clearly the better team, by a country mile. At least we lost to a superior opponent, although I think less of the superiority lies in talent gulf and more of it in the inbred coaching staff with which Tressel has slowly surrounded himself through the years.

    Now, losing 35-3 to an SEC team with minimal history and tradition of greatness that I don’t respect? That would have been much, much worse.

    Matt - 09/14/08 @ 11:42 pm - #

  41. buckeyedude

    I agree with your comment MATT.

    BUCKSFANXC - I really think you blaming the rest of the Big Ten for this loss is a real stretch. USC is dominates the PAC 10 and doesn’t seem to have a problem showing up for BIG GAMES.

    USC FAN: I appreciate your comments and agree. Even if Tressel doesn’t start all the 5-star freshman, he really needs to play them as much as possible because after last saturday, I don’t think any of the OSU O-line is going to be playing on Sundays. :(

    buckeyedude - 09/15/08 @ 12:26 am - #

  42. First off I wanna say that i’m a fan of this blog and to tell everyone I feel their pain even as a michigan fan. I root for all Big ten teams so I was pulling for you especially since I hate USC with a passion.

    After seeing that game I am convinced that your problem is not your athletes but your coaches. Lets not forget that on that only drive that resulted in points your offensive line was able to move guys and your recievers got seperation. The problem is the inability of your players to adapt to anything they different. I also see that since dantinio (sp?) left your defense doesnt seem to be at that same level. I mean do you really think your 2005 d would have let them average over 5 ypc. they would have decaptiated joe mcknight and castrated sachez. Good luck with the rest of the season, cant wait to see you play against us.

    mnmaize - 09/15/08 @ 1:04 am - #

  43. JoseOle

    Well, at least we have the Bengals and Browns in Ohio to cheer us up…..What was that honey? Oh shit! Both of them lost? Well at least the Reds and Indians……. Fuck, Oh well Lebron will bring us……. 2010? God Dammit I’m moving to L.A. What honey? Earthquakes, Water shortages? I guess I will have to watch all my teams lose. Go U.A. Bears.

    (All Sarcasm) ;)

    JoseOle - 09/15/08 @ 7:55 am - #

  44. JoseOle

    Oh I forgot about the Hockey giants the C-bus Blue Jackets….. God Dammit.

    Lets go Crew.

    JoseOle - 09/15/08 @ 7:56 am - #

  45. Bollman and Heacock need to be outed. I’m not interested in the ‘we’ll work harder, roll up or sleeves’ mantras that are sure to follow. This program needs new blood and fresh ideas.

    The reality is Tress’ senatorial side speak won’t cut it for much longer. This fan base will not tolerate another big game embarrassment. If Tress doesn’t make dramatic changes to the coaching staff, another USC meltdown next September is on its way.

    Loyalty to your staff and players are admirable qualities, but success in collese football is measured in big game wins and loses.

    OSU’s first big game embarrassment with FL could be rationalized as a fluke, the second with LSU an unfortunate coincidence, the third with USC now makes a trend.

    Changes need to be made!

    t4070 - 09/15/08 @ 9:53 am - #

  46. mr.green

    I would argue that Dick Tress needs to go first. Can’t have the coach’s brother coaching the running backs. A real — better — RB coach would be raising red flags about this o-line. He just collects a paycheck and makes great RB recruits mediocre. Tell me an SEC school (or even south florida) wouldn’t have gotten more out of Mo Wells over the years! Seriously. Nepotism is the root of all evil.

    mr.green - 09/15/08 @ 10:38 am - #

  47. Like many of you guys, Saturday was a debacle and a down right shame. So, what should OSU do? This is really what I think.

    1st we need to fire Bollman and Heacock. Their services are no longer needed. So who would be their replacements? For the offensive coordinator position, Lane Kiffin. Yes, he is currently coaching the Raiders but Al Davis doesn’t want him anymore. I really think this will be his last year. Guess where Lane coached at? You guessed it, USC.

    The Defensive Coordinator spot can be handed to Mike Singletary. Mr. Singletary keeps getting passed over for a head coaching job. He is currently with the 49ers linebackers and assistant coach. What better way to build up his resume than to come to a big school, do well and make then make it to the big leagues.

    Thoughts??

    Carence - 09/15/08 @ 10:40 am - #

  48. I like both of those picks along with the notion of cutting Dickie Tressel loose. How jealous were you all last year in the BCS game when they kept referring to the LSU offensive coordinator as the Wizard?

    Bollman is kind of like a wizard as well. He can turn promising line prospects into garbage and can cast sleep spells on fans with his play calling.

    Boeckman Fett - 09/15/08 @ 10:47 am - #

  49. You guys are literally some of the biggest idiots in the world. Fire Tressel? What? He’s been the second most successful coach in college football over the past 6 years. Was he too conservative against USC? Maybe. But the outxome was going to be the outcome either way. USC is a machine, you weren’t going to win. The loss wasn’t Boeckman’s fault. Playing Pryor the whole game wouldn’t have made one damn difference. OSU lost to a great team; get over it. Booing 20 year old kids isn’t going to change anything, it will just make you look more classless than you already are.

    big gay heart - 09/15/08 @ 12:57 pm - #

  50. Your an idiot Big Gay Heart. If you noticed, I didn’t say anything about Tressel, I clearly pointed out that the coordinators need to be fired. They are the ones who can’t design plays and make adjustments to put any talent we have on our team into positions to be successful.

    Carence - 09/15/08 @ 1:00 pm - #

  51. If I’m such an idiot, how come I can figure out the difference between contraction and possession? Ooof.

    The reply wasn’t directed specifically at you, Carence. Scroll through the replies and there seems to be more than one example of people looking to axe the Vest. But, in case you haven’t noticed, you’ve got a decent thing going in Columbus. Bad losses happen; panicking and became disgruntled isn’t going to re-arrange that fact.

    To wit, the Pryor v Boeckman thing is ridiculous. Pryor would have looked worse than Boeckman if he was a pocket qb. If Pryor tries to throw on that USC defense, he’s getting picked off 5 times. He looked alright because he could run a little bit whereas Boeckman can’t. Blame your offensive line for that. Or go boo a 21 year who led you the national championship game last year. Whatever.

    big gay heart - 09/15/08 @ 1:09 pm - #

  52. Man oh man, what a whoopin. You guys were talking massive trash, about how your LBs and CBs were superior, and how you were gonna stomp on us here in LA. Please remember, that if your RB is out and you chalk up the loss to him not playing or say its not fair b/c he wasn’t playing, how good really is your team? We could’ve had any one of our players injured and someone else would’ve stepped in. I think you guys need more depth. You need sharper WRs because our corners always suck and we were manhandling your WRs. And definately put in Pryor. You guys didnt’ look fierce at all. Thanks for coming!

    LA Trojan - 09/15/08 @ 1:10 pm - #

  53. Big Gay Heart, you’re a damn fool. To say that the difference would have been the same whether Pryor or Boeckman had played the majority of the game highlights your stupidity.

    It’s not to say the result would have been different, but with Pryor in, the Buckeyes were at least moving the ball.

    Also, it’s about 1% of the fanbase that’s calling for Tressel’s head. Most, correctly, are calling for changes in the coordinators. We do realize the good thing we have going, but appreciate you painting us all with such a broad brush.

    Douchebag.

    Boeckman Fett - 09/15/08 @ 1:25 pm - #

  54. Brutus' Mom

    LA Trojan: you are a typical SC fan: terrible when they lose, and even worse when they win. At least Buckeyes admit when they stink (and we did) and acknowledge it when we get beat. Your day will come my friend and then will see who has the class.

    Brutus' Mom - 09/15/08 @ 1:58 pm - #

  55. Thanks for making me feel better guys! -Michigan fan. ;-)

    RR - 09/15/08 @ 2:39 pm - #

  56. Hell, I don’t blame LA Trojan for talking his smack. We got completely owned Saturday night.

    The only thing I have to say to Tressel is that it’s time to start Pryor. Is Terrelle going to have his bumps in the road? Of course. But we’re only going to have to kid for 3 seasons and we ain’t winning a national title this year. It’s time to destroy and rebuild at the QB position. I finally came to the realization that Boeckman stinks after the Ohio game and the first half on Saturday night confirmed every doubt I had about Todd. He’s an average QB at best.

    Let’s start over and give the reigns to Pryor.

    Ike - 09/15/08 @ 7:26 pm - #

  57. Maybe OSU’s problem came from their pre-game attitude. As Smalls said, USC goes crazy before every game and with OSU everyone is quiet. I’m not sure how that is an insult to USC. USC came out fast and never looked back. I’d rather have my team be absolutely pumped.

    anon - 09/15/08 @ 8:14 pm - #

  58. HAHAHAHAHAH OHIO STATE SUCKS!!!!!

    0-9 AGAINST SEC TEAMS.

    BLOWN OUT IN LAST THREE BIGGEST GAMES.

    AN EMBARRASSMENT TO THE BIG TEN!!!

    Go back to the trailer parks, “gentlemen”.

    GO BLUE! SCREW OSU!

    OveratedShitUniversity - 09/16/08 @ 5:38 pm - #

  59. Hello from the home of the tigers. Let me say that as an LSU Tiger fan I take no pleasure in seeing you guys get a beating like that… I think that there are two things that need to be addressed up there.

    1) Ego. Both coach “T” and fans talk about National Championships a lot. Let that be a media thing and stop worrying about who is 1…2….3….and so on. You guys have a program with a loyal fan base, and a rich and storied history. Unfortunately, for 60 minutes between the stripes…it means less than nothing to the 18 to 22 year olds that are in the fight. They have no idea who Woody Hayes is…Robert Smith is just a guy that talks about them on ESPN….and know nothing about college footballs only two time Heisman winner. No one is given respect in this game. Like any coach in america would say…”you have to earn it day in and day out”. I dont care if you have 50 Seniors returning. From an outsider looking in…….I think the coaches, players, and fans….have lost the edge that I saw during that Miami beat down in 2003.

    2) Speed. I know that every program thinks that they have speed. But weather conditions alone dictate that you guys arent “flat out running” year around like the reigons that have the “elites” that some of you guys mentioned above (FLA, LA, CA, TX). Stop defending it…and accept it. Yes, speed is everywhere, and Joey Galloway is from Bellaire (an amazingly fast…STILL). But when you are facing “40 Joey Galloways” (especially the difference between “southern big man speed” and your O-Line speed and agility) when you play a USC…LSU…Florida…..you can see an obvious difference. You guys have the ability to recruit ANY athlete from ANY region. Lock in the Ted Ginn’s (even though his speed is from his Louisiana fathers genes :-) in to Ohio….just do a better job with the Santonio Holmes’ (Florida).

    Keep fighting guys. Hopefully we will meet up again for another crystal football in the near future. Good luck this week vs. Troy

    P.S. Joe Bruin…Pac Man Jones went to West Virginia…not an SEC school.

    BatonRouge40 - 09/20/08 @ 8:58 am - #

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