Have a Great Weekend
We love Pryor. We really do. We’d love him more if he becomes the keystone of the 2008 class.
Meanwhile, this may be the dumbest thing you’ll read all day. Hawaii ahead of LSU.. that makes sense.
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whats the info at the song?
cl - February 1st, 2008 at 3:46 pm - #
on..sorry
cl - February 1st, 2008 at 3:47 pm - #
“It isn’t just that Jim Tressel’s squad doesn’t belong in a bowl game against an S.E.C. team—the 0-9 record speaks for itself—it’s that the Buckeyes are very nearly as comparable to the Mountain West champion as they are to the Pac-10 champion.”
It’s stuff like this that gets under my skin. Any time SEC fans make a half-assed attempt at stats-crunching, the analysis they “write” is a glorified way of saying “0-9! neener neener! ESS-EEE-CEE! ESS-EEE-CEE! ESS-EEE-CEE! ESS-EEE-CEE! ESS-EEE-CEE! ESS-EEE-CEE!” I wish fans of the SEC would recognize it for what it is: gloating of the most pedestrian sense. Attempts to conjure statistics as an analytical tool to make themselves feel good by proxy of trying to make us feel bad would, well, make the average empirics-junkie cringe.
And you notice, too, how nobody who is a fan of the SEC tries to prove how great it was in 1999, or 2000, 2002, 2004 (the year Auburn didn’t get to play for the right to have its ass kicked by USC again), and 2005. Even 1998 was an ordinary year for the SEC, even if it was a national championship year for Tennessee. Check the average strengths of schedule, records vs nonconference top 25, and bowl records for those years.
vico - February 1st, 2008 at 3:58 pm - #
Why is a Georgia blogger posting about Ohio State’s 2007 team in February 2008? That’s obsession.
Chris - February 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pm - #
Georgia fans are the worst of the SEC, all they still talk about is Herschal Walker. It’s really annoying.
Wil - February 1st, 2008 at 4:27 pm - #
We even know a Georgia fan that brags about the “Lady dawgs” volleyball team or something similarly unbraggable.
Mark - February 1st, 2008 at 4:46 pm - #
Wil,
I don’t know about that. Have you ever met an LSU fan (pre-BCS game too) or an Alabama fan (grumpiest fan base in America, they have to be)?
vico - February 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pm - #
I live down in Atlanta and can confirm that the Bulldog fans are the biggest shit talkers out there….I hear a lot of SEC smack talk every day and they are by far the worst. The funny thing is 90% of them never even went to college, let alone a Georgia game. The worst part is that they actually have a decent class coming in, although, they always manage to not show up for a couple games every so worry not my fellow Buckeyes, worry not.
Jimbo - February 1st, 2008 at 7:00 pm - #
That blog poll looks just like any real coach’s poll.
Matthew - February 1st, 2008 at 11:00 pm - #
Mark,
The article was pretty funny. I dropped him a note complimenting him on reference to a site (as you pointed out) that ranked Hawaii higher than LSU; Hawaii was ranked higher than Georgia, for that matter. Honest to God, I think these Georgia folks are still fighting the Civil War; it’s knee-jerk reaction; Ohio State University => Ohio => Billy Sherman => March to the Sea.
Ken - February 2nd, 2008 at 9:27 am - #
The Civil War? Really?
And I’m a UGA alumnus. I don’t have a problem with Ohio State, and neither does Kyle, except his observations about OSU’s strength of schedule are, in fact, accurate. I recommend y’all (yeah, I said it) read the post and the comments instead of succumbing to this apparent knee-jerk reaction to anything from a fan of an SEC school that appears critical of Ohio State.
But the Civil War? Here’s some food for thought: if it appears that Southerners are more preoccupied with that mid-19th century conflict than those in the northeast or midwest (even though, as Kyle pointed out, midwesterners bring the War up a lot more frequently than Southerners do), you might consider that most of the war happened “here” (the city I call home was burned to the ground - Dayton? not so much), and the ancestors of most of us were directly affected by the war; the ancestors of most people in the northeast and midwest were in another country at the time.
It would be more interesting to hear a counter to Kyle’s comparison of BYU’s schedule to the Buckeyes’. But if you are satisfied with making tedious ad hominem comments about “delusional” Georgia fans and odd Civil War references, then go ahead and have fun with that.
And it’s not women’s volleyball, Mark. Our women’s gymnastics team has won the last three NCAA championships (eight total) and is currently ranked first (so is our women’s swimming and diving team, but gymnastics is the dynasty).
One last thing: good luck next year. The Buckeyes’ returning roster sure looks formidable, and it should be a great year. Cheers!
NCT - February 3rd, 2008 at 4:43 pm - #
You are a funy one.
Commenting about the Civil War leaves a bad taste in your mouth, much like the last 2 BCS games tOSU got invited to, no doubt.
What is humorous is that you somehow failed to notice that the site Kyle referenced had the teams listed (not ranked, can you read?) by order of most wins-losses. Perhaps before you attempt to critique what you understandably cannot read nor comprehend (the Civil War and CFB win LISTS) you would do best to read the fine print.
fine print:the Dawg Nation looks forward to meeting ANOTHER overrated tOSU team next year in Miami. ;)
To Ken, from Dawgfan - February 4th, 2008 at 10:12 am - #
To NCT and DawgFan, Georgia=Pot tOSU=kettle……both are black. Yes OSU did have a week schedule this year…..last year they did not and next year they will not.
As to Georgia’s schedule, check out the wizard of odds, who is unbiased, and explains that of all the teams in the NCAA….Georgia, yes Georgia, travels the least amount of miles from home for their away games.
Also, I have plenty of relatives who live in Valdosta, Georgia and can’t tell you how many times I hear reference to “The War of Northern Aggression.”
Wil - February 4th, 2008 at 10:50 am - #
We Southerners are very peculiar about that war, to paraphrase Foote. :)
Joe Fox - February 4th, 2008 at 11:44 am - #
I agree that Georgia needs to travel more, and that need is being met over the next several seasons. But there are two major non-SEC (well, they’re ACC, so “major” may be a bit strong — I’m joking!) programs, each less than 80 miles away from Athens, and that fact explains a little bit of the travel situation. And there were plenty of trips to Columbia (130 miles) before the ‘Cocks joined the SEC.
But neither Kyle nor I have said that UGA should have been in the BCS championship game over OSU because UGA’s schedule was tougher. In fact, neither of us thinks that UGA should have been in that game at all. I’m not sure what your point is.
And of course there are plenty in the South still obsessed with the Civil War. I was just challenging the logic of its insertion by a Buckeyes fan into a discussion about Ohio State’s 2007 schedule for no reason other than the discussion was begun by a Georgian. The Civil War may hold particular interest for us (since, as I said before, it happened here and to our families), but it’s a little strange to assume all of us see the world according to how it relates to the war.
If I hated Ohio (and I don’t), it wouldn’t have anything to do with Sherman. It’d be the horrible sounds many Ohioans make when they speak. Enjoy the irony, ladies and gentlemen. I mean no ill will.
NCT - February 4th, 2008 at 5:47 pm - #
Neither do I…..
However, I have to point out that stating “it happened here and to our families” is an EXTREMELY ignorant comment. (Ignorant meaning uniformed not stupid)
Don’t assume that the civil war didn’t affect any families from Ohio or the north, my family is all originally from Ohio and our ancestors DID fight in the civil war……further more there WERE battles fought in the North as well, but as in most wars, when a particular side is winning they tend to drive their enemy back onto their own territory.
Here is a map that shows that MOST of the battles were fought right in the middle, and then the rest in the South with a much smaller amount in the North.
http://americancivilwar.com/statepic/cwusa.html
I must also ask, were we (the United States) not affected by Vietnam just because it was fought somewhere else.
Ok, now that the history lesson is over, back to football.
I understand you stating that there are some good out of conference teams located close to Georgia….however, that doesn’t mean that you should only schedule them. Ohio State had a week schedule but they did travel to Washington (the state mind you) this year, Texas last Year, and will be traveling to California next year. It’s not like we just schedule West Virginia or Louisville or Kentucky as our out of conference BCS team match-ups.
We as Ohio State fans need to accept and admit when we have schedules that are pathetic like this year…..however, SEC fans need to accept and admit when their teams refuse to leave the comfort of the South for their away games.
Wil - February 4th, 2008 at 6:18 pm - #
If I appeared to mean that I didn’t think the Civil War affected any Ohioans, than I apologize for not being clear. But I stand by the statement that most people in the South have ancestors involved in the conflict, while most in the North have ancestors who were living in another country. Of course it affected everyone, and we all still live with the results. But I live in Atlanta. Our city’s seal is a picture of a phoenix. The city’s motto is Resurgens. I cross Peachtree Battle Road and drive very near a huge cemetery (Union soldiers, actually) every day. Margaret Mitchell lived two blocks away from my apartment. The stuff is everywhere, all the time.
Ok. As I said earlier, I concede Georgia hasn’t had a good history of travel. It began when Dooley arrived (UGA went anywhere before that, including multiple trips to Ann Arbor and USC with no return visits by the Wolverines or Trojans to date). Thankfully, our current AD has us travelling to Stillwater, Tempe, Boulder, Louisville, and Eugene in the next eight seasons (with another trip to Clemson thrown in there, plus the ever-present trip to Atlanta). I’m not saying that Georgia is suddenly a paragon of brave scheduling virtue, but it’s getting with the program.
And one more time, the point was not who has better scheduling, but whether Ohio State’s schedule should have counted more against it in selecting a BCS Championship participant (and again, no one in this discussion has advocating placing Georgia in the game for any reason).
NCT - February 4th, 2008 at 7:32 pm - #
This thread has gone so horribly off-track it is now not even entertaining. Get a grip people, CFB, modern day north and south have nothing to do with your points. To say “our families” and “our towns” in either side of the argument is approaching rediculous. Let us be more realistic and say that 98% of the people living in any given area have no bloodline 150 years old in that location, just a thought. This sounds about one escalation away from “my great-great-great grandfather shot your great-great-great grandfather!” Let’s face it, the Civil War is in fact, over.
COB - February 4th, 2008 at 9:20 pm - #
Does nobody know how to spell ridiculous?
Wil - February 5th, 2008 at 1:34 am - #
that’s wierd how WIL came to your rescue.
and i agree, his “wizard of Odds” comment seemed….well, odd.
did you notice how it’s place in a discussion on the merits of a teams schedule was almost ridiculous in it’s seeming irrelevance.
you’re right, i suppose he doesn’t realize that although Hawaii traveled more miles last season than the ole’ Red&Black, they still remembered that Aloha meant goodbye in New Orleans this year, and their strength of schedule was still 126 out of 116 teams, but perhaps when miles traveled becomes a factor in the AP Poll, tOSU will be deserving of another MNC game.
Ken, do you also wonder if tOSU traveled to China to play a fledgling Chinese Junior High squad (comparable to Akron or Kent State) WIL would trumpet how dominant BigTeleven OOC scheduling has become?
i know you probably don’t know what i mean, Ken (what with your difficulties reading), but i thought i would mention it.
just thinking out loud, thx for listening.
PS-the reality is that UGA should get MORE credit for not traveling. it’s not like there are more than 4 stadiums in the whole country (outside the Southeast) that pull fans like our SEC opponents. i guess if UGA plays GaTech every year, and tOSU plays Northwestern every year, UGA should play Duke to offset and then we’d rack up some FFmiles…..
To Ken, from Dawgfan - February 6th, 2008 at 9:38 am - #
You seem a little defensive and upset dawgfan. Could it be that you KNOW how pathetic it is that Georgia has traveled fewer miles than ANYONE in Division I, not just Hawaii? I don’t believe that I ever stated that traveling far distances is a good substitute for a tough strength of schedule, and I also admitted that tOSU had a weak schedule this year. But I guess if you have nothing relevant to say then you have to change my opinions and act like I stated things that I did not. I simply stated that I do not think that it can be considered a TRULY tough schedule when you only compete in stadiums that your fan base has a good chance of making up more than 30% of the crowd because of location. Furthermore, this statement:
“PS-the reality is that UGA should get MORE credit for not traveling. it’s not like there are more than 4 stadiums in the whole country (outside the Southeast) that pull fans like our SEC opponentsâ€
Is not only inaccurate, but maybe one of the dumbest things I have ever heard a fan of any team or conference say. 3 of the top 4 largest stadiums are located outside of the SEC. Furthermore, Penn State, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, Texas A&M, USC, Washington, UCLA, Oregon, Miami, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Boston College, and West Virginia all pull fans as well as your SEC opponents (notice how I didn’t say better than….my homer sunglasses are off and I can see logically now….do you think you could?).
However, kudos on spelling ridiculous right; it seemed like everybody was having trouble with that 1.
Wil - February 6th, 2008 at 10:10 am - #
dumbest thing you’ve ever heard a fan of any team or conference say?
how much time do you spend tailgating around the horseshoe? ha
i think you better check your attendance records for the last few years, with the exception of tOSU, UM, and PSU, none of those teams pulls close to the top teams UGA plays year in and year out.
6 teams in the SEC have bigger stadiums than OU, A&M, Oregon, VT, Wiscy, UT, and WVU.
furthermore UCLA, USC, UW, Miami, and BC don’t even sell out every home game.
so at the end of the day (or this comment) you should recognize that only tOSU, UM, and PSU pull a comparable number of fans to UTenn, UGA, AU, UF, LSU, and Ala.
by my estimate (and feel free to correct me AGAIN, if i’m wrong) there are only 3 stadiums (maybe 4, like i said) outside the SEC that fill stadiums like our SEC opponents.
that game USC lost to Stanford last year?
70% capacity of the Coliseum. laughable for a conference game. USC averaged 95% capacity last year, the least in the top ten for fan attendance.
the ACC championship game?
60% capacity is generous, is that a high school game?
top ten overall?
tOSU, PSU, UGA, UF, LSU, Ala, UTenn, UM, USC, UT.
yes, UT and USC were number nine and ten, and AU is number 12. that leaves 3 teams (all from the BigTeleven) that can draw fans like a fair number of UGA’s SEC brethren.
-UGA doesn’t have to travel for big-time college football.
To WIL, from Dawgfan - February 9th, 2008 at 2:58 pm - #
Why is a UGAly fan on a Buckeye blog?
Ryan B. - February 9th, 2008 at 6:53 pm - #
Oops, before I get corrected: “an” UGAly fan
Ryan B. - February 9th, 2008 at 6:54 pm - #
Ohhh, now I got it….
Ryan B. - February 9th, 2008 at 6:59 pm - #
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