Crew Cut’s Legacy
Like my fupa?We’ve taken great pleasure in the demise of what was once Notre Dame football and the wisdom of the genius that calls plays in South Bend has certainly been well-documented. That doesn’t mean we can’t pile on a little more, right?
Well, we knew things were bad. The 1-8 record, dropping their first to Navy in 45 years, the list goes on. What we didn’t realize, however, was that the Irish are dangerously close to losing their perch as the team with the 2nd most all-time victories.
Michigan is still miles away from everyone else, but the Irish have held the #2 spot on the win list since Archie was still sporting the fro.
With a Texas victory over Texas Tech this weekend and an Irish loss to Air Force (both probable according to Vegas), the Longhorns will catch the Irish. With two regular season games and a bowl game to go, it’s all but a lock that the Horns will pass Notre Dame by the end of the season.
The Buckeyes, incidentally, are 5th and when you throw in the 10 wins this season, have moved within 18 of Nebraska for 4th place (4 wins this season).
It’s a shame that coach Beau Bridges is on his way out in Lincoln, because with the way Tressel has been taking care of business lately, OSU would be looking to pass the Huskers in three to four years.
Jason, I am not a fan of “beating a dead horse” but beating a dead hippo is a completely different story. I was happy to see your post because I feel that the debacle that it is Notre Dame football is not being covered enough. I can’t get over just how much of a free pass this over-eating, over-paid, and over-hyped tool is getting. The problem with Notre Dame football is Weis. I am tired of hearing the “cupboards were bare” line. You cannot use that line in year 3 – and certainly not after you won a lot of games in years 1 and 2 with the former cupboard stockers players. I know that recruiting class rankings are not an exact science but the guy has had three top 15 or better recruiting classes in a row. How does that not equate into wins? I would be willing to bet that I can put a handleful of other coaches in his shoes and they win at least 6 games THIS year. The fact is – Weis is the problem. Not admission’s standards, not empty cupboards, not lack of talent – WEIS. Even when he had good players – he didn’t beat anybody any good. He is one heck of a salesman – but a quality head coach, I don’t think so.
I agree Harold. Why are people not pilling on Shammoo? This team is not even competitive. Perhaps it was more of Tom Brady making Charlie Weis, versus the other way around. I have not seen anything that impresses me in three years. Even when they made the BCS games, there were special rules to get them in.
I hope they keep him, because they are not going to get better.
What’s nuts is that ND will still get about a $1.5 million payout from the BCS this season regardless of how they finish.
Harold,
I agree Shammoo couldn’t coach his way out of the McDonald’s bag he just polished off.
I have to disagree on talent not being a problem. Have you watched this team play? I’ve seen Pom-Pom teams at homecoming that would rout this pathetic collection of stiffs. All I heard about the last couple years is Jimmy Clausen would win 4 Heisman by decree of Beano Cook. From what I have seen this guy would have a problem passing gas much less a football.
Either they’re going to have to eat his contract in the form of a massive buyout, or he’ll stick around, lose the NBC deal and the Irish will come crawling to the Big Ten.
I agree the players aren’t great, but good coaches create good players out of mediocre talent. They are always overhyped, ranked too high, in bowls they don’t belong, etc, etc…but this is really insane. I heard Bob Davie talking about how they bought his contract out, Ty’s contract out, and now if they have to buy this moron out they are blowing it like a WV state lottery winner. Obviously they have a ton of $, but if I were a fan that’s the scariest part. Unlimited resources and 1 win in 9 games…wtf. It appears that plan C didn’t work so what the hell is plan D???
Did you know ND has 15 starters that are juniors or seniors? Charlie can’t develop talent and ND football is going to be down for 5 years. This will be the time in history, where not being in a football conference is going to kill the program. I love it!
Texas is still 4 wins behind Notre Dame and will not catch them this year.
Jeffrey, we’re wrong a lot around here, but not this time.
From 1869-2006, Notre Dame has 821 wins, while Texas has 813 victories.
The Irish have 1 win this season giving them 822 while Texas has 8 wins this season, bumping their total up to 821.
See for yourself.
Whether you’re wrong or you’re using a source that’s wrong, it’s still wrong. You’re spreading false information because you’re using an unreliable source.
The NCAA publishes their record book every year and it’s even on-line now. While they don’t always match up with team totals you can see that Texas had 810 wins after the 2006 season:
http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/football/football_records_book/2007/2007_d1_football_records_book.pdf
See page 69
Further, you can check Texas’ website and total their wins at 810:
http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=36&url_subchannel_id=&url_article_id=1349&change_well_id=2
Of, for your convience, you can use this site, which uses information straght from team media guides:
http://www.sportslinknetwork.com/cfbtrivia/percent.php?fromyear=1869&thruyear=2007&teamname=.ALL.&IA=on&timeframe=current&records=overall&confname=.ALL.&sortby=Wins&desc=on&min=0
Texas currently has 818 wins, Notre Dame as 822. Texas will not pass Notre Dame this year and when they NCAA releases their 2008 record book, they will list Notre Dame with more wins than Texas, regardless of what any random site might claim.
Jeffrey, your link-fu is strong.
It appears that Stassen, who is widely regarded as accurate, is counting forfeits. In 1997 Colorado forfeited the win b/c of the use of an ineligible player. In 1994 and 1993, Texas is credited with a win in both of those seasons because Texas Tech used ineligible players.
The official books from both the NCAA and Texas do not appear to count these games as victories.
However, after a brief huddle around 11W world headquarters, we have decided to count those forfeits as victories.
Please link to our record books instead of the NCAA books going forward.
Link-fu. LOL.
Just why is stassen ‘widely regarded’ as accurate? Forfeits aside, I can easily find all sorts of errors there. The site is not very highly researched so I don’t know why people would consider the information accurate. It is clearly not.
As to the forfeits, Texas Tech has no record of any forfeits, nor does Texas, nor does the NCAA adjust. According to the link there, the guy just wasn’t pleased with how Texas Tech handles their record and so decided to sanction forfeits on them himself. Nice source there.
Regardless if Colorado, or Texas Tech counts forfeits (Colorado doesn’t adjust their record, nor are they even counting them anymore), according to NCAA bylaw 31.9.5.4(c), no team is required to accept any forfeit win which they choose not to do so. Texas has not accepted either of these three (two have not even been forfeited), and therefore their official win count now stands at 818.
Regardless if anybody wants to count Texas with more wins than they have, officially they will not until the NCAA has them as such. This is why the Rose Bowl win against Texas was considered their 800th win:
http://www.galago.net/longhorns_resolution.htm
This guy had time winning their 800th prior to the Rose Bowl, but from this and various other stories, we know that it was not until the Rose Bowl win that they had their 800th.
Jeffrey, the NCAA also doesn’t want a playoff in college football claiming they don’t think the players shouldn’t miss that much school which completely contradicts the fact that they allow baseball players to miss so much. They have proven in the past that there is no legitimate (or at least honest) reason for many of their actions. Therefore I have an extremely hard time agreeing with the NCAA on anything. They may say those forfeits don’t count, but everyone knows they really do. If it turned out that Chris Leak was ineligble for the National Championship game, I can guarentee you that all of Ohio would consider The Ohio State University the undefeated National Champions whether they got credit for that win or not.
Just who is ‘everyone’? Message board dweebs? Try to find a credible news source that is reporting Texas caught Notre Dame. How does having playoff reflect on forfeits that never really happened, or victories that teams don’t have to accept and don’t want?
Finally, why should I trust a source that can’t get it’s information right over either Texas or the NCAA?