Ohio State and the Trouble With Little Brothers

By Johnny Ginter on March 28, 2014 at 2:30p
Hoooo boy
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Once upon a time, there was a little school called Ohio A&M. It was a land grant college created so that the backwards farmers of the Midwest could learn useful tips and tricks in life, like "how to retain your cultural identity while adapting to a new economic reality" and "maybe wash your hands before you eat."

And for five quietly happy years, Ohio A&M peacefully existed alongside older Ohio universities such as Miami, Dayton, Cincinnati, Oberlin, Kenyon, and any number of other schools that primarily served as fronts for the Underground Railroad. Which is really cool, honestly.

But the Civil War was over and racism forever dead, so five years after its founding, Ohio A&M became Ohio State University. Just in time too, for a nation that had solved all socioeconomic issues forever now turned its sleepy eye to recreational sports. And as it turned out, Ohio State University, filled with beefy tough farmers as it was, ended up being super awesome at said sports. Especially football, the awesomest of them all.

The other Ohio universities, though fine institutions of higher learning, began to seethe with jealousy. Suddenly, their academic and social reputations weren't enough! They now had to compete for funding dollars with a sports juggernaut that was now in the process of constructing a veritable Death Star of a stadium, and was consolidating a stranglehold on the hearts and minds of people in Ohio.

Some schools gave up the ghost. Kenyon, Oberlin, Case Western, and more took the high path, gracefully acknowledging defeat in the sporting world while going on to aspire to greater things in academia, while holding on to their noble socially progressive past.

OOOOO FORTUNA
"...And then I woke up."

Other schools took the low road. They hid themselves in the brambly hilly recesses of the Buckeye state, vowing that one day, ONE DAY, they would have their revenge on Ohio State. Shooty hoops or foot ball, it mattered not. One day, they told themselves, one day they would take their rightful place at the head of the collegiate sporting world in the great state of Ohio.

In football, Ohio State remains unbent and unbowed. The Buckeyes haven't lost to an in-state rival on the gridiron in nigh on 90 plus years, and while that streak seems somewhat more likely to end in an era of scholarship restrictions and Big Ten teams getting embarrassed by supposedly lesser conferences, Ohio State football's meaty paws remain firmly gripped around the neck of the likes of Bowling Green.

Maybe you looked at the way Dayton fans celebrated their win over Ohio State in the first round of the NCAA tournament in puzzlement, wondering why they cared so much about a victory over one of Thad Matta's most aggressively mediocre teams ever. But that's the thing: it's all that they have.

Every single time that Ohio State schedules an in-state opponent in any sport, it takes a risk, because that school frames their success through how their program matches up against Ohio State. That's the blessing and the curse of a lot of universities in various states around the country, and it generally comes with the territory. But oftentimes I think that Ohio State fans are generally unaware as to just how much fans of other Ohio State schools would love to knock them down a peg.

Cincinnati is a great example. In 2009, UC briefly had a football team worth watching, as they were at one point ranked higher than Ohio State. The university jumped at this one incredibly fleeting victory over the Buckeyes, made these mocking shirts, and promptly got absolutely curbstomped by Florida in the Sugar Bowl. An Ohio State fan looks at this and laughs at the hubris (especially since the following year they ended up going 4-8), but a Bearcat fan thinks wistfully of that one time where they could one up the biggest thing in Ohio collegiate football.

I mean hell, at least it's better than having to resort to bragging about a narrow loss to the 2002 National Championship team.

So this is pretty much euphoria for Dayton fans. They've got a team in the Elite 8 (which is a great accomplishment in of itself), and on top of that they were able to beat the team that essentially defines their success on the way there. If you live in Dayton, you've got the Flyers, the Dayton Dragons, and nothing. This is a big deal.

It's more than the same ol' "they really want to beat us" shtick that people trot out when it comes to rivalries. Fans of the Redhawks, Bearcats, Zips, Rockets, Flyers, Bobcats, Falcons, etc. all truly believe that their football/basketball/whatever programs should be considered the best in the state, reality be dammed. Growing up near Miami University, watching the kind of delusion that says that Redhawks football demands equal column inches with Ohio State in the Middletown Journal is kind of fascinatingly admirable. It's insane, but at least it's earnest.

So that's why I'm inclined to let Dayton have their fun. The Ohio State program under Thad Matta typically destroys any Dayton team during that same timeframe, but since we don't have any real data to prove that, Flyers fans get to enjoy the one bit of evidence that shows the contrary.

Ohio State then has a choice: avoid other Ohio teams, and give them the quixotic hope that they might knock down the big mean windmill once and for all, or schedule them and risk losing and iron grip on the narrative.

One choice allows the Buckeyes to fully assert dominance in a sports crazy state in era when that often seems fleeting. The other opens the door for stupid ads in regional newspapers and lame t-shirts.

It's not an easy decision.

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topgun67's picture

I am happy for Dayton, and routing for them.  otherwise, no reason to watch the tourney. 

 

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Denster's picture

What are you routing for them? 

"It's a double-barreled pistol that fires hard work and victory..."

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AndyVance's picture

Once upon a time, there was a little school called Ohio A&M. It was a land grant college created so that the backwards farmers of the Midwest could learn useful tips and tricks in life, like "how to retain your cultural identity while adapting to a new economic reality" and "maybe wash your hands before you eat."

Only because this is a Ginter piece and therefore not to be taken seriously am I not going all-in with a full-throated defense of the Land-grant university system, one of the greatest achievements in U.S. history. From the Association of Public and Land-grant Universities on the occasion of the 150th Anniversary of the Morrill Act:

The original mission of these new institutions was to teach agriculture, military tactics, and the mechanic arts as well as classical studies so that members of the working classes could obtain a liberal, practical education. The Morrill Act provided a broad segment of the population with a practical education that had direct relevance to their daily lives.

As APLU points out, many of the nation's land-grant institutions are among the nation’s most distinguished public research universities, Ohio State certainly included. Land-grant schools enroll more than 3.5 million undergraduate and 1.1 million graduate students, and employ more than 645,000 faculty members who conduct nearly two-thirds of all federally-funded academic research, totaling more than $34 billion annually.

Land-grants, created to ensure that the native sons and daughters of the state could earn a college education, kick ass.

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Johnny Ginter's picture

that joke was definitely 100% tongue in cheek, and i completely agree with everything you've written. the morrill land grant act was probably the best non war piece of legislation that lincoln signed, AND it's where the two towers on campus get their names from!

Chief B1G Dump's picture

I just learned something new.

 

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tennbuckeye19's picture

Wow. It really is half the battle.

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bleedscarlet's picture

Very nice....lol

I'm too drunk to taste this chicken

JollyFatMan's picture

racism forever dead

I love the subtle sarcasm there. ;) 

How firm thy friendship..

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Baroclinicity's picture

I'm also rooting for Dayton.  I didn't want to lose, but we had a flawed team that I think most of us new we had a strong shot at losing no matter who we drew in the first round.

Football is a different story.  The weight football carries is greater than all the other sports combined when it comes to the collegiate sports throne in Ohio.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

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Denster's picture

I work in Dayton. Absolutely SURROUNDED by Catholics who went to Alter and UD and are 2nd and 3rd generation alums. So goddamn obnoxious. It's sickening. I've never given an ounce of shit about UD or anything it's done or will do in sports or anything else. They can have their moment or whatever, but it's driving me to the point of wanting to punch people who provide me with paychecks.

Shit, I would imagine most Buckeye fans would root for them if it weren't for the attitudes. The Dayton Daily News is bad enough normally, but that front page was just... dumb.

It's bad enough carrying out my existence in this grey ass, abandoned, somewhat smelly city. But having to deal with people heckling me with my OHIO STATE shirt in fucking OHIO is just... well, it's too much. That actually did happen. True story.

"It's a double-barreled pistol that fires hard work and victory..."

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Johnny Ginter's picture

i love this comment so much

Chief B1G Dump's picture

Take solace in knowing that at The Ohio State University...when you major in City and Regional planning...every example of a poorly planned and shitty city comes from Dayton or Detroit.

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Baroclinicity's picture

But having to deal with people heckling me with my OHIO STATE shirt in fucking OHIO is just... well, it's too much. That actually did happen. True story.

I'm sure it's the same way in Athens.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

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bigbadbuck's picture

According to Missagain Athens is Ohio State

German Buckeye's picture

Yeah those crazy ass Catholics, what to do

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ibuck's picture

I would imagine most Buckeye fans would root for them if it weren't for the attitudes.

Is it the attitudes and the probable unpleasant incidents that prevents OSU from scheduling UD or UC?

Or is it the potential monetary losses for OSU, as opposed to several games in the Schott?

Also, were these other schools wanting to face OSU before the Matta era?

Our honor defend, we will fight to the end !

Jabba the Hoke's picture

UD fans have no room to complain about Ohio State not scheduling them. UD does the same thing to Wright State. I honestly don't hear it much from UD, but UC has a serious inferiority complex.

ralEbuckI's picture

Reminds me of a Dave Attell joke;  "I was in Dayton, Ohio. You ever been there? Ya? You know what’s a fun thing to do there? Pack up and get the fuck outa there."

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hspbuy1's picture

I like the idea of an all Ohio B-ball tourney every year or every other year.  Invite Dayton,Cincy ,BG, Toledo ,OU, Miami & Xaivier to Columbus!

hspbuy1

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tennbuckeye19's picture

I've heard the schools won't agree to doing it only in Columbus. They want it to take place at rotating sites, Columbus, Cincy, Cleveland, etc. From what I've heard OSU is reluctant to agree to this. OSU would prefer it be in Buckeye friendly Columbus or Cleveland. 

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Deadly Nuts's picture

Why can't Gene Smith just make this happen? Who gives a damn if it is played in Cincinnati?

LEBRON

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tennbuckeye19's picture

Smith isn't the only one holding things up. Matta isn't fond of the idea of playing in Cincy either.

jamesrbrown322's picture

Does anyone want to visit Cincinnati of their own volition?

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Dayton is having their moment in the sun, and good for them.  They have played well and they deserve it, and we didn't play well and deserve to be out of it.  But in the long run, OSU will always be relevant.  Thad Matta will continue to put teams together that will be in the tourney and have at least a chance to make a run.  It won't always work out every single year.  Dayton has done it one time - will they do it next year, though?  Doubt it.

It is cute when these little schools in our state challenge us once in a while.  But until they do it year in and year out, nothing will change.

Class of 2010.

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BierStube's picture

Good for Dayton .. they have been basically playing with house money for the last week or so ...

"No matter where you go, there you are." B. Banzai

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luckynutz's picture

Thats what I have been saying. The are as loose I've seen a team. No expectations, no weight on their shoulders. Just having fun, playing basketball and not worried about no tomorrow. Only worried about whats right in front of them.

Seattle Linga's picture

They are playing very loose and as long as they hit their 3's they will be in most games

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BenW's picture

Those bUCkeye state shirts came out that long ago? My girlfriend goes to UC and bought me one like last year. Does that mean they are still making them or did they grossly overestimate their popularity? Also- I know this wasn't their intention, but I totally interpreted it as something like "UC is a part of the Buckeye State"

TLeeUpInThisJ's picture

I wish Ohio would do what Indiana does with IU, Notre Dame, Purdue and Butler, or the "Crossroads Classic".

Who wouldn't get excited about a 4 or 8 team tournament in December for Ohio? Ohio State, Xavier, Dayton, U of Cincinnati, Ohio U, Kent State, Akron, Cleveland State, etc. There's lots of good basketball programs in the state of Ohio and this would be a good test to prepare you for Big Ten play, and probably the NCAA tournament, too.

These pre-conference match-ups vs. Louisiana-Monroe, Delaware, North Dakota State, Bryant -- who the hell cares? It's nice to develop young talent, but to be honest, I think young talent will develop better in games that are actually competitive.

bleedscarlet's picture

Poking the biggest, baddest dog in the yard is never a good idea...

I'm too drunk to taste this chicken

AkronBuckeye13's picture

Can't wait to watch Cinci get demolished in the shoe this year. I also cordially invite THE Dayton Flyers football team for a game in the shoe.

bigbadbuck's picture

Think that would look good on the national resume, playing a game against a team that plays the like of Robert Morris, Stetson and Davidson?  I can just hear the wisecracks coming from that scenario.

Floyd Stahl's picture

Jon Gruden played his college ball as a QB for the Flyers.

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bleedscarlet's picture

Ha... I did not know that... interesting tidbit

I'm too drunk to taste this chicken

OSUFlash's picture

This is nothing more than a bump in the road for the Buckeyes. It happens to all the great ones ie Muhammad Ali. His mama named him Clay, I call him Clay.

Buckeyes were, are and will always be king of the hill in this state with an occasional hiccup along the way.

osuflash

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Scarlet-Gray's picture

His mama named him Cassius.

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OSUFlash's picture

I was quoting Coming to America, the barber shop scene. That was a classic!

osuflash

BucksFan2000's picture

I guess it depends on the fan.  I don't think the school they went to matters much, I think the bigger factor is whether or not they're an asshole.

I grew up an OSU fan, but I went to Akron.  So I root for the Zips too, but I don't see it as an issue because they don't compete on the same stage.  In the end I'm an OSU fan first and foremost, but I also support my alma mater.

Many Akron fans feel the same way I do, and we're cool.  Some feel I'm a traitor, and are bitter toward OSU fans.  Those guys are also assholes.

The same applies to all small school fan-bases, and every other facet of life.  Assholes are assholes.  Dayton beating OSU just gives their asshole fans another way to express that.

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Go1Bucks's picture

They had a nanasecond of reason to crow. 9 out of 10 we beat them.  OSU still rules.

Go Bucks!

German Buckeye's picture

I think Dayton's play this far validates their fan base and any potential over exuberance. Good for UD.  If u are a secure Buckeye fan, then none of this should bother you.

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wilkins0802's picture

I fully agree that Dayton deserves their moment. I am happy for them on making it this far, and beating the elite in the process is even better. Sadly, that's where it all ends. By no means can they rank themselves at the level of Ohio State, Syracuse, Duke, etc. Give me consistent play, and I'll take back what I just said. The sad truth of it is, after the tourney is over, regardless of how Dayton finishes, they will more than likely become irrelevant again, its how this works. If they prove me wrong, then cool, but they probably will not. One win against upper echelon teams does not solidify your place at the "big boy" table.

sprin018's picture

Man I'm a huge OSU fan but a UD graduate. Semper fidelis, and thus rooting for my Flyers.

What's all the sour grapes about? Especially from the guy that is an employee to a UD grad. I don't get demeaning a university grad that employees you. If one was so great a student from an esteemed university it would seem tacit that you would be employing him...

Just saying...

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woodcocklives@osu's picture

Ha...brilliant! The anger in some of these comments is a telling indictment on many OSU fans insecurities.

buckeye4life050233's picture

So long as Michigan or Wisconsin doesn't win a title before Matta and the Buckeyes I'm all on the Dayton bandwagon but it would suck as well if they win it this year bc of the semi-easy road they got.  We have had some serious contender teams that got stuck with some terrible draws in the tourney.  We always seem to play the one under the radar team that got hot at the right time and pulls off the win against us.  As woeful as it is Matta's teams have always played down to competition.  The one lights out game of memory is the closer against Wisconsin where we shot 14-15 from 3 and ran them out of the building. 

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Come on, we had an insanely easy draw last year. The regional opened up for us pretty nicely the year we lost to Tennessee in Turner's last game. Our Final Four run two years ago was greatly aided by Syracuse having its starting center suspended right before the tournament. And had we simply won the games we were supposed to win in 2011, the worst Final Four of all time was what awaited us.

The truth is we've had excellent luck in the NCAAs and haven't taken advantage. 

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

allinosu's picture

Congrads to Dayton. Beating us one game doesn't put them at our level. Do you think we would have piled on the floor as though we just won the whole thing if we had beaten them. Being in the elite eight is quite an accomplishment. Let them have their time in the spotlight. For now go flyers beat Florida.

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buckibri's picture

The state of Ohio just like the USA shares its base in agriculture. I have learned that those that type ignorant statements that make lame attempts at insulting the nobel profession do so with a full stomach and have no clue where the safe and abundant food supply comes from.

I'm one that is damn happy with Dayton's performance. Would much rather lose to a hot team that is winning as opposed to a Dook that was taken down by a joke of a team that was slaughtered the next game.

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northcampus's picture

For as much as OSU fans complain about how arrogant Michigan fans are, there have been a great deal of OSU fans (and website personalities) displaying the same type of behavior that is typical of a Michigan fan after they lose a game to Michigan State or another opponent their fan base deems 'lessen' than their own.

If losing to Dayton doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, why are there still cynical attempts at justification amongst OSU fans and website personalities a week later?

The city of Dayton is Ohio's own, no matter how long the orange barrels will decorate the lanes of I-75.  Cincinnati is Ohio's own.  Same with Toledo, Akron, Athens, or any other part of the state.  Even if these barbs at other cities/schools within the state are made in jest, there is still a bit of truth to every insult.  If another Ohio school beating OSU is cause for finding some sort of fault about the city or school that happened to come out on top is necessary to repair the fragile insecurities of this fan base, then people really need to re-evaluate the pedestal they've built for themselves.

Go Bucks.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

...no matter how long the orange barrels will decorate the lanes of I-75...

lol

So pretty much forever.

Colerain 2004 G.O.A.T.'s picture

This is magnified by the fact we are the only and biggest and baddest dog in the backyard. There was a Huggins era where UC was a better team then tOSU every year for awhile it seemed. Me living down here in Cincy I am very nervous about the football game next year with UC. They had us beat in 2002 and I'll admit we were lucky to walk out of Paul Brown with a W.Anyone know if their QB that got has leg ripped off last year will be healthy? I just think we will have some questions about our secondary and Navy will not be able to answer them nor VT.Im less nervous when you factor in we have a bye week the week before we play them in OUR house but still if they accomplished the unthinkable and upset a Urban Meyer led Buckeye team in the Shoe I would literally have to think about moving considering almost all the clothes I wear are buckeye affiliated,have a flag flying out in front of my house,and decals on my car. There would be a campaign down here like they won 10 National titles all at once.

I speak the truth but I guess that's a foreign language to yall.~~Lil Wayne

Bailey458's picture

Couple thoughts.  One, Saturday I have no choice but to root for them over Florida for bracket reasons (boy I don't like either of those teams).  But winning a bracket takes precedent.

Two, chances of Archie Miller leaving for a bigger payday and a school with more resources after this year have to be 95%.  Then we will get to see how Dayton fans really are.  Will they turn on the guy that brought them to these heights?  Have misgivings about their own importance in the landscape of basketball and chastise him for leaving?  It will be interesting, and a true test of character to go from unparalleled highs for them to massive uncertainty and a potential major blow to their psyche.  Is it safe to say Archie Miller is one of the best, if not the best, thing ever to happen to Dayton Basketball, I hope they appreciate him, I know he just signed an extension (in February before this run started if I read correctly) but what if a big name program contacts him, can he say no to a power conference team like Boston College, Marquette, Wake Forest, Coppin State (or any other big name that hasn't fired their coach yet).

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Is it safe to say Archie Miller is one of the best, if not the best, thing ever to happen to Dayton Basketball,

He has a long way to go before he surpasses Don Donoher.

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Bailey458's picture

I absolutely agree with you, however Miller wins 3 more games and a NC and Dayton becomes the lowest seed to ever win the tournament there could be some debate (extreme extreme long shot).  It's an interesting question, longevity and sustained success or a bright burning defining moment.  Who as a fan would you rather have had for their careers Jim Harrick or Gene Keady?   

PittBuckeye's picture

Lets wait until that miracle occurs first, then we can talk about it. I say this meaning it isn't going to happen so still not Miller.

Bailey458's picture

I'm not suggesting Dayton is going to win it all by a long shot, just hypothetically what is the answer, a guy with a great 20 years but no NC or a guy with just a few years and a NC who otherwise toils in ambiguity, who should be more revered?

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Interesting question, thinking of it football program terms...

1979-1998
Ohio State: 178-59-5, 75%
Georgia Tech: 105-115-6, 48%, 1990 National Champion

I think you'd have to look at the entire body of work. If UD won a title this year but then followed it up with bad teams that never again made the tournament then I'd definitely say the 20 year guy gets the nod. On the other hand if the coach followed up the success by building a strong program that was regularly competitive my money would be on him.

Bailey458's picture

That's good stats and a great comparison.  Another way to consider it, does the one great day/night (i.e. Ohio State v. Miami Fiesta Bowl) make up for many rough losses and years of frustration to the point of apathy that happened at a place like Ga Tech?  Without the fiesta bowl win and everything else being exactly the same would Buckeye fan consider trading Tressel for Larry Coker (giving Tressel no NCs 0-3 in BCS championships but a great record in the B1G and sCUM, and Coker 2 NCs, wow that sounds weird)?  I absolutely know I wouldn't trade Tressel for anything, but it can't be unanimous.

Perhaps a place with a lesser tradition would take their NCs and run.  But I think here at TOSU sustained goodness (even if failing to reach the ultimate prize) is the preferred option because there were enough seasons where expectations were high enough to keep the fan base excited. As a Buckeye fan I will only truly be satisfied when the whole country gets down on their knees and acknowledges we are the best and can't even debate it, SEC, Scum, USC, Texas all them.  Georgia Tech will never be able to accomplish that feat, maybe the Bucks can.

Don't be pissed at me 11w, I'm just carried away with the hypothetical and feeling good about being a Buckeye because 1 championship doesn't make a program, men like Tressel, Hayes etc do.  It sometimes has as much to do with character and personality than winning.  But you can't be a loser.

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Colerain 2004 G.O.A.T.'s picture

Come'on man...you know Coppin State isnt going to go after a coach the caliber of Archie. They have been in constant contact with Roy Williams and Bill Self. Maybe they use Archie as a fallback plan but what do I know.

I speak the truth but I guess that's a foreign language to yall.~~Lil Wayne

woodcocklives@osu's picture

It's funny...the blogosphere (and the Plain Dealer) kiss just enough ass for the access and clicks they desire, and the informed, OSU educated fanbase reacts negatively to the hyperbole......irony, but not in a gentrified neighborhood sense.

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Seattle Linga's picture

I like watching Cinderella play well throughout the tournament.

Always creates nice stories and memories.

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Seabass1974's picture

Maybe I am just too far from the homeland but I'm not bothered by Dayton beating us. It's an Ohio team and that's what I cheer for. In fact the more they win in this tournament the better I feel about losing to them. Let's just say they win it all. Nothing wrong to losing to Champions especially when it was pretty much a consensus that most people had us out at least the next round against Syracuse. I say be the bigger person and cheer for Dayton no matter how their fans act and know that you are cheering for (State of)Ohio. Peace, from a Buckeye who misses his home state.

The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender. - Woody Hayes

Xenia_Buckeye's picture

All of this would go away if OSU would schedule other state schools in a home and home basketball series. But this stupid policy will never go away due to the hubris of our beloved Buckeyes. So we will continue to see the front page of the Dayton Daily look like it did. We will continue to have to put up with snarky comments directed at little brothers fanbase when they get a win over big brother. And we will continue to have to put up with defensive articles like the above to save face when we do lose to little brother.

SCHEDULE HOME-AND-HOMES WITH IN STATE SCHOOLS and this all goes away. Just sayin'....

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doodah_man's picture

Meh...even a blind squirrel occasionally beats a nut.

Jim "DooDah" Day
It is hard to play dirty against a man who picks you up.

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harleymanjax's picture

I say we give Dayton to the State of M*chigan, that city already smells like hot dog water so it will fit right in...

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

toad1204's picture

Of course Addidas is going to license those stupid UC shirts, fits in line with other atrocities against sports they've created.

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02... 

argyle182021's picture

In 2012-13, the Flyers' average attendance was 12,438 (26th in Division I).  UD Arena holds 13,435 = 92.5% full.

In 2011–12, Ohio State averaged 16,511 (8th in Division I).  Value City holds 18,809 = 87.7% full.

UD has been in the top 30 for attendance the past 17 years straight and out of the top 35 only once since 1969, the year UD Arena was opened.  Flyer fans are hardly bandwagon and will continue to support their mediocre teams in the future.  If you haven't seen a game at UD Arena, you should check it out.  I'd argue it's better than the Schott. 

73buckeye's picture

Some of us Buckeye fans are very sensitive to someone throwing down a challenge. If the Bucks really are the big dog in the yard, we shouldn't be afraid to back it up on the court. I think an all Ohio holiday tournament rotating around different Ohio sites would be a great test and provide some really good basketball.

A long time ago, a pretty good Buckeye team lost TWO national championship games back to back to a pretty good Cincinnati basketball team. How did Buckeye fans react then? Who do you think would have wanted another shot at the top dog then? Dayton was one of the winningest programs in the country in the 50's and 60's. They won several NIT's when the NIT was more prestigious than the  NCAA and made it to the championship game against Lou Alcindor / John Wooden / UCLA in the late 60's. Xavier has had a strong program for years. I gotta believe good competition make everyone stronger. Some of the best battles are against your littler brother. Bring em on!!

 

 

ernie

Brutus's picture

Good for Dayton and great for Ohio.  I would have preferred Ohio State won but oh well, upsets happen.  If we regularly played the other Ohio teams, we would lose semi-regularly because a) the other Ohio teams are often pretty good and b) basketball has a much more level playing field than football when it comes to recruits and the relative disparity between them.  Nothing about Dayton being in the Elite Eight bothers me.  Now TSUN on the other hand....

NWbuckfan's picture

I grew up in Dayton never was a fan I rooted for Ohio St  But UD don't schedule Wright St   They sound like Hippocrates 

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bostonbuckeye's picture

Especially since UD and Wright State are much closer (geographically and talent wise) than Ohio State and Dayton. 

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

I'd rather see the Buckeyes play the likes of Dayton, Toledo (now that my alma mater finally has a team worth watching and talking about), Xavier and Cincy than creampuffs like Central Connecticut State, Morgan State, Bryant and North Florida. Is Matta trying to avoid playing them? Does he prefer to pick daffodils? That's the impression I get from all of this.

bostonbuckeye's picture

You don't gain anything if you're Ohio State.  Sure it's a small step up in competition but Ohio State already plays in one of the hardest conferences and usually has a game or two against teams like UNC, Duke, or Kansas.  The basketball team needs those creampuffs to rack up wins for the tournament.  Without those 15 wins at the beginning, it would have been harder for Ohio State to make the tournament.   If you beat a UD, it's just another win and the sports world doesn't blink. Lose and the whole world notices (dayton daily news headline) and you have a harder time recruiting the talented in state kids against Duke, UK, etc. Even if Dayton was close in talent to Ohio State, tt wouldn't matter.  Dayton is seen as a lesser program by the rest of the country.  Playing 13 creampuffs and 1-2 big non conference foes is good enough for me.  Especially since the B1G has 3 teams in the elite 8.   

I will say that I agree with you that I'd love to beat UC and UD every year.  Especially since I can't stand UC fans but it's just not what Matta is going to do. To be honest, we don't really need to either.  We've played Duke, Kansas and others before B1G play and unlike football, our basketball team gets tested before the tournament during B1G play. 

 

toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

Those creampuffs didn't get the Buckeyes ready for the Big Ten games. 10-8 is not only disappointing in the conference, it stinks. It would help the team get ready for the conference by playing a game or two against Dayton, etc. instead of the creampuffs and yawn producers from conferences no one's ever heard of that also don't help draw the big crowds to Value City Arena.

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lax20's picture

As a teenager growing up in Dayton, there was a time that UD basketball reigned supreme.  Don Donoher's teams made the tournament on a consistent basis in the late 60's and 70's.  In the 60's and early 70's only 16 teams made the tournament and UD made it regularly.  The Buckeyes in that time were not king, it was the UD Flyers and UC Bearcats.  Fred Taylor's Buckeyes were good, but not king.  Not to take anything away from the Havlicek , Lucas, Knight, Siegfried  team, but that was in the early 60's.  I still love the Buckeyes, but today it's GO FLYERS!

sprin018's picture

Why are the basketball comments degrading? The football commentary is at least informative, critical and breaks things down on a technical level. From what I've been reading, the comments here are nothing short of an expose of many insecurities. I did expect that from Michigan fans but not OSU.

Does it not surprise anyone that the state universities are typically dominate in all sports? They receive funding from the state, garnering more money to spend on athletics and thus attracting better talent. Of course they have better athletes as the playing field is not level. Was it the academics that attracted Andy Katzenmoyer to OSU? I'd guess not. 

Get over the loss. There is next year. 

Art Harrell's picture

screw Dayton nothing but a one trick pony--------------GO BUCKS