Report: Ohio State Tabs Arkansas' Ash as Co-Defensive Coordinator, Finalizes Deal with Larry Johnson

By Kyle Rowland on January 14, 2014 at 12:20p
236 Comments

Urban Meyer said he needed to hit a “home run” in hiring a replacement for Everett Withers. He did that and more, according to a report by Sports Illustrated’s Pete Thamel. Meyer completed the proverbial grand slam by bringing on former Arkansas defensive coordinator Chris Ash and longtime Penn State assistant Larry Johnson Sr.

Ash will be the co-defensive coordinator/secondary coach and Johnson will coach the defensive line.

Withers accepted the head-coaching job at James Madison, while Johnson replaces Mike Vrabel, who left to be the linebackers coach for the Houston Texans. Both hirings not only bring on respected coaches and recruiters, but also take away from two rivals — Bret Bielema and Penn State.

Ash will be tasked with restoring the luster to Ohio State’s pass defense, which ranked 110th in the nation last season. The Buckeyes allowed 268 yards passing per game, including a combined 1,143 in their final three games.

Ash was most recently the defensive coordinator for Bielema at Arkansas. He also spent 2010-12 at Wisconsin as the Badgers’ co-defensive coordinator and defensive backs coach. Ash coached on three consecutive Big Ten championship teams in Madison.

Wisconsin finished in the top three in the Big Ten in total defense during Ash’s three seasons. In 2012, the Badgers ranked 13th nationally in total defense, 19th in scoring defense and 23rd in pass defense.

They were 13th in scoring defense in 2011 and 15th in total defense. Ten of Wisconsin’s opponents failed to score 17 points that season. It only allowed 163.6 yards passing per game, fourth-best in the nation.

In 2010, three starters in the secondary earned all-Big Ten honors.

Ash has also coached at Iowa State, San Diego State and Drake. 

Johnson spent all 18 seasons of his college coaching career at Penn State, where he was the defensive ends/special teams coach from 1996-99 and the defensive line coach the past 14 seasons.

He declined an offer from newly hired head coach James Franklin to stay on the staff. It’s been reported that Johnson was frustrated after being passed over twice for the head-coaching job, though he disputes that notion.

“Getting promoted isn’t the issue to me,” Johnson told ESPN.com. “At the end of the day, it’s giving Coach Franklin the chance to move forward. It’s his program, his coaching staff and, yes, he offered me the opportunity to stay.

“But at the end of the day, I thought what would be best for me – and be unselfish – is the fact that let’s move forward. That’s my decision. It had nothing do with a job, or not giving me a promotion.”

During his time in State College, Johnson became a respected coach and figure in the locker room, as well as one of the top recruiters in the country. He coached seven first-team All-Americans, including first-round draft picks Courtney Brown (No. 1 overall), Tamba Hali, Jared Odrick, Michael Haynes and Jimmy Kennedy.

Chris Ash's Coaching History
Years school position
2012-13 Arkansas Defensive Coordinator/Defensive Backs
2011-12 Wisconsin Defensive Coordinator/Defensive Backs
2010 Wisconsin Defensive Backs
2009 Iowa State Defensive Backs/Recruiting Coordinator
2007-08 San Diego State Defensive Backs/Recruiting Coordinator
2006 Iowa State Defensive Backs/Recruiting Coordinator
2002-05 Iowa State Defensive Backs
2000-01 Iowa State Recruiting Coordinator
1998-99 Drake Defensive Coordinator
1997 Drake Grad Assistant-Defense
1996 Drake Volunteer Assistant

Johnson twice turned down offers from other schools while he was at Penn State. In 2008, Illinois offered him the defensive coordinator position, which would have doubled his salary. Johnson again said no in 2011, this time to be Maryland’s defensive coordinator. He cited a promise to Penn State’s incoming freshman recruits as his reasoning.

In the 1980s and 90s, Johnson spent a combined 11 seasons as head coach at Maurice J. McDonough High School and T.C. Williams High School in suburban Washington, D.C. He was a six-time coach of the year in Maryland and won three state championships. The Greater Washington area is one of Johnson’s strongholds in recruiting.

Vrabel too earned lofty praise for his recruiting prowess. The addition of Johnson lessens the blow of Vrabel’s departure and perhaps makes the Ohio State coaching staff better due to Johnson’s wealth of experience and knowledge when it comes to recruiting.

At Ohio State, Johnson will coach two players he recruited heavily: Tommy Schutt and Noah Spence.

One current Buckeye who was recruited by Johnson was asked if he was happy with the hiring, and answered, “Yeah, absolutely.”

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Joe4's picture

Whoa, Thamel is just killing it with these scoops.  Also, lol Bert!
Now I just need someone to tell me if this guy is any good :)

osu07asu10's picture

(I pick you Chris Ash...and you LJS)

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

DLB1276's picture

Mmmm... Long John Silver's

osu07asu10's picture

long john silver's _____ ?

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DLB1276's picture

Long John silver's restaurant.
 
EDIT: You know, kind of like Wendy's, Arby's, etc.

Dhoulmagus's picture

Thanks for the laugh!

Oyster's picture

Bielema jokes to commence 5, 4, 3, 2, 1... 

JozyMozy's picture

Ha! Nice timing. 

Idaho Helga's picture

Der takin' arrr jobzzzzzz!

HattanBuck85's picture

KARMA!

"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." - Woody Hayes

+1 HS
Tim's picture

Suck it, Bielema!

Barnsey69's picture

^^^ Yeah, that.

I am a modern-art masterpiece.

+1 HS
Chief B1G Dump's picture

Whats the scoop in this guy? Apparently runs an aggressive 4-3 I am told.
Any overlap with Herman at Iowa state? Wisco and Ark. Can he teach tackling?
Young dude...recruiting?
Trolling Bert?
Fickell is the captain?

Oyster's picture

And since it seems to be a prerequisite for any hire these days, what does his wife look like?

Michael Citro's picture

Can he teach tackling?

 

Looks like he authored a DVD about that very subject.

Chief B1G Dump's picture

Michael,
Can somebody on the 11W staff review this DVD and give us the Cliff's Notes on it and a review if Ash is fit to coach tackling to guys with bad habits?
The 1 review on Amazon, gave it a raving review.  Just based on the fact that the guy made a DVD and charges $40 for it, I'm sold!
 
In all seriousness though, we can really only improve from last year.  We were 2 or 3 stops away from being undefeated, no matter how bad the D looked.  Just a marginal improvement would be a huge benefit.  However, this is Ohio State...and we demand big things.  Urban knows that and there is a reason he is where he is.  Certainly Urban has done his homework and believes in not only Ash but LJ Sr, Fickell and the whole crew...
LETS ROLL!!!
 
Edit:  Was Ash at San Diego State while Hoke was!?

sc_buckeye's picture

 
Fickell is the captain?
And here I thought Fickell was Einhorn!

Unky Buck's picture

No, no, no...Einhorn is Fickell

...

RunEddieRun1983's picture

Well...  Doesn't appear we got our "big splash" for DC...  But I'm optimistic on this hire, we shall see.

I don't always downvote, but I do always downvote a Michigan fan trolling the Buckeye boards.

millertime2011's picture

Um, everyone nationall is actually saying this IS a big splash. Seems like this was one of Urban's top choices as it DIRECTLY attacks our big needs (and what everyone was clammoring for): Better tackling, a more aggressive strategy, and an upgrade in the passing game. Look what he did at Wisconsin. Now imagine that with OSU caliber talent.

FROMTHE18's picture

dont know much about the guy, im sure Urban knows what hes doin here
 

OSUBias's picture

This feels like the Tom Herman hiring reaction, v2.

Shitter's full

Ethan's picture

Interesting note in SI article -- Ash hired as the Co-DC and Secondary coach. Does this mean Coombs is focusing exclusively on the Special Teams? 
I'm sure Kyle will provide clarification when it comes available to him, but OH MY GOD KYLE WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

OSUStu's picture

This may just mean he will take over the safeties like Withers with Coombs still coaching the corners.  Hard to say.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

OSUStu's picture

Is this not possible?  It is the same coaching situation we had before with different coaches.  And hopefully a different defensive philosophy.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

acBuckeye's picture

Don't know anything about him, but Bert appears stunned and butt hurt by the news:

CptBuckeye24's picture

Run and tell that, Bert!!!!!

Hovenaut's picture

This is bertastic.....

"Success...it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

The Braden's picture

Hide yo kids, hide yo wife and hide yo defensive coordinators.

buckeyejma's picture

Sounds like Urban got his coaches, if these reports hold true! Go Bucks O-H

Step aside Nick, Urban is the real rock star!

CptBuckeye24's picture

Thamel is well connected to Meyer and The program. He's got good sources. I trust him

gm3jones's picture

I-O!

There is nothing more remarkable as learning to think better.

RunEddieRun1983's picture

Honestly, too me this just smells of them hiring a guy who wouldn't mind having the "CO-DC" tag attached to him.  Time will tell on this, but no self respecting coach who had any actual notoriety would have come here and been "CO DC's" with Luke Fickell. 

I don't always downvote, but I do always downvote a Michigan fan trolling the Buckeye boards.

d5k's picture

Really?  Yes all "self-respecting" coaches would turn down over $500k per year to be an assistant coach at OSU if they have to work alongside the dreaded Luke Fickell.

carence's picture

Yeah and no self-respecting Southerner uses instant grits!

mh277907's picture

Touche, GA.

buckeyebobcat

mh277907's picture

Two yutes?

buckeyebobcat

carence's picture

the what? yutes? did you say yutes Mr Gambini?

NC_Buckeye's picture

It's a line from "My Cousin Vinnie" -- Joe Pesci, Marisa Tomei.

jamesrbrown322's picture

I'm just a fast cook I guess!
 

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

BenArazi4's picture

 
Luke Fickell is probably the worst DC in the country.  The hiring of both of these guys will make him look pretty good, even though he still won't know what he's doing. Finally he's gonna be able to rush 4 or maybe even 3 and be perfectly fine because of the coaching of Larry Johnson.  Fickell get out of Columbus you worthless turd, even though these guys help the D a ton, Fickell is still gonna find a way to blow a few times.

 
 
 

TNbuckeye91's picture

I had to log in just to tell you how much you suck

TheSpiteHouse's picture

BA4 sucks on the Scout boards and sucks here, too. I'm glad to see he was brutally downvoted.

LouBuck35's picture

#BERT #BERT #BERT #BERT #BERT #BERT #BERT

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

BSTP DeCon's picture

1 "#BERT" for every Ohio State National Championship!

CptBuckeye24's picture

I feel like this is a pretty good hire. He led a great defense at Wisconsin under those rose bowls.

thePhilipJFry's picture

2011 Wisconsin co/dc rank 52
2012 Wisconsin co/dc rank 14
2013 Arkansas dc       rank 84
those are F/+ rankings from the football outsiders for every year Ash has been a co/dc or higher.  For what it is worth Arkansas was 97th the year before Ash got there.  So last year was better, but OSU in 2011/2012/2013 was 20/20/45 so . . .

Baroclinicity's picture

Welp... excited to see what these new guys do to extract the talent from the Buckeyes D!

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

4thandinches's picture

I was hoping this 'co-dc' was going to go away. Maybe it will be an understood demotion for Fickell and Ash will be the one actually calling the defense.

I wasn't born a Buckeye but I became one as fast as I could. 

teddyballgame's picture

i think it's just a title, ash will probably be doing the playcalling

DJ Byrnes's picture

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OSUStu's picture

#...I won't even.  Just kiss our collective asses Bielema.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

I_Run_The_Dave's picture

It was a rough "onseason" for him as well.

BABuckeye's picture

One of those 3 wins is an FCS school.
Do you think Bert called Ron English? He's available.

gwalther's picture

He must be really glad he went to the SEC to avoid getting all his assistants poached by other programs like they were at Wisconsin. Oh, wait..

Class of 2008

buckeyeEddie27's picture

Urban is trusted.   I'm hoping Fick and Ash hit it off.  Hope their ideas and philosophies line up and the D can get some identity.  Maybe that's (I'm hoping) what Urban saw. 

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

My2Sons's picture

 
Ash will tutor Fick for 2 yrs., then one of them will be gone

acBuckeye's picture

I hope Ash and Fickell don't try to run two different schemes at the same time the way Withers and Fickell did.
Where's Gametime to break it down for us?

Gametime's picture

ACBUCKEYE, thanks for the vote of confidence. It's appreciated.
I've watched a couple of tapes from Iowa State and Arkansas to see how consistent the scheme was. From what I've seen, the bitter Wisconsin & Arkansas fans have grossly exaggerated in their hyperbole.
Ash mixes up coverages & blitzes up quite often in the early downs, but the corners are mostly playing the similar boundary/field corner protocols we're used to seeing. Also runs a lot of robber (one safety under playing center field - playmaker).
Likes to create a lot of A-gap pressure, but disguises which LB is coming form where and who's dropping with a mix of stunts.
On downs 5 yards or less and on 3rd down and long, he runs coverage schemes almost identical to what Michigan State runs - with some man-under 2 mixed there (press man with safeties over top, LBs in man or playing hook/curl zones)
If we humble Buckeyes will recall, the last two times we saw his defenses at Wisky - Braxton needed a Hail Mary in Columbus to win, and in Wisconsin, they held our boys to 14 in regulation before El Guapo overran them in OT.
He teaches his guys to be aggressive and strip the ball, and some pretty solid gang tackling from what I've seen. I'm sure Ross will kill it when it comes to the details of the matter though.

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So I guess I'm one of a kind in a full house
Cause whenever I open my heart, my soul or my mouth
A touch of God rains out...

Zimmy07's picture

Good.  Hopefully just what the Dr. ordered.

D-Day0043's picture

Good job scouting GAMETIME. Soft corners work if you can teach them how to react properly.
All you had to say was A gap blitz and I'm on board. Offenses hate pressure up the middle and MSU burned our a$$ blitzing the A gap.
Plus I love cover 1 robber on 3rd and 5. That beats the quick slant.

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a.buck's picture

Dude you are one informed fan. Your post reads like an article at 11w. If they are hiring you should fill out an application.

FROMTHE18's picture

the moment I see press coverage, Im sold on the guy.

swainpm's picture

Amen to that....bout time we see some man coverage, OSU sure has the recruits for it. I'm so sick of seeing all the premier defenses pull it off while OSU is stuck in zone.

LouGroza's picture

Wisconsin fans are wondering about this hire and hoping the 10 yard cushions at corner continue. They do not know how good he is as a DC but think he must be good to get this shot.
http://wisconsin.247sports.com/Board/23/Chris-Ash-to-Ohio-State-24959596
 

BassDropper's picture

They seem to be happy and are saying that the DBs play 10 yards off the WR and they will pass on us all day...again.

DIRECTIONER

daytonbuckeye's picture

What's awesome is that Wiscy fans are calling him Bert too. 

thatlillefty's picture

Their excitement makes me a little uneasy. Enough of the 10 yard cushions!
And they say the guy can't recruit... I hope Urbz knows what he's doing here.

FitzBuck's picture

I forgot how excellent UW Recruiting is do to um....well there's that thing....it's um yeah.  Kind of hard to compare recruiting here.  

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

jamesrbrown322's picture

Hopefully, it's just sour grapes? I am surprised that Meyer hasn't gone after bigger names after the way he had talked it up when hired.
But, Meyer has won a lot more college football games than any of us...

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

teddyballgame's picture

Tom Herman wasn't a big name before Urban tapped him...he's working out nicely for the most part.

joel121270's picture

As I am sure you know bigger names don't always bring better results.

ScarletGray43157's picture

Just on the first page the Wisonsinites are saying that Ash was a below-average recruiter and liked to play vanilla defense with DB 10 yards off the ball.  Yikes!!!

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

My2Sons's picture

If that is the quality of dbacks he has to work with, then that's the def. he has to play.  Wisky doesn't recruit like the Buckeyes.

My2Sons's picture

If that is the quality of dbacks he has to work with, then that's the def. he has to play.  Wisky doesn't recruit like the Buckeyes.

BtownBuckeye's picture

He went to an arch rival, they're not going to be saying good things about him. Period.

James F's picture

Read an article published on Ash when he was hired at Arkansas and it stated he is experienced at recruiting Texas and Florida.  Gotta like that, lots of talent in those states.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1442495-arkansas-football-dc-chris-as...

DeepSouthBuckeye's picture

Hmmm. I am sure the guy knows what he is doing if Urban offered him a job. Only thing I do not like is the "Co DC" thing again. I feel like that was the major issue with Withers/Fick.
Hopefully it is just a title, and that one coach only, Fick or Ash, it doesn't matter to me, will handle all play calling.

Loving all things Buckeye from SEC country in Alabama.
"How firm thy friendship....O-HI-O"

CptBuckeye24's picture

I'm sure Ficks, Urban, and Ash all had this conversation and are on the same page. They have a better idea on how to manage this.

thekornidentity's picture

Cue the "Karma" comments and tweets...

“Nothing that comes easy in this world is worth a damn.” -Woody Hayes

jeremytwoface's picture

BOOM!!! 
Hahaha this is so great in so many ways.... off feild of course.
 
I'm not sure how good of a coach he is, but hopefully he comes in and whips this team into shape.

The first man gets the ((((Oyster)))), the second man gets the shell.

brandonbauer87's picture

I guess I'll go eat crow now that Fickell won't be the sole DC. 

osu07asu10's picture

This is so amazing Tenn, it may top your JLaw stash

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

cplunk's picture

Didn't Arkansas have a terrible defense last year? Truly terrible?
I realize the proficiency of any one coach cannot be judged by the team's overall performance on defense (he could be a great teacher, for example, stuck with bad players who made them as good as was possible).
Does anybody know more about the guy?

tennbuckeye19's picture

I know absolutely nothing about Ash, but I watched Arkansas a couple times this year and they were awful. Just terrible. The team was a poop sandwich. With losing Petrino and the lost year with John L. Smith at the helm, Bert was in a lose-lose situation. And they sure did lose alright. They lost their last 9 games in a row. 

USMC11917's picture

And the way they laid down against  Alabama was embarrassing too.

The Butler's picture

Can never miss an opportunity to pick on Bert

I've trained Canaries in the sport of falconry.

 

Toolface4's picture

I can't tell if that is a girl or guy body......

Barnsey69's picture

I can't stop looking at this and THAT disturbs me.

I am a modern-art masterpiece.

tennbuckeye19's picture

I am picturing you looking at that as your avatar and THAT disturbs me.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I literally had to clean the coffee off my screen when I saw this!!! GIF oft he week!!!!

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OSUAndy07's picture

Ugh. Why?

"But I'm tryin' Ringo. I'm tryin', real hard, to be the shepherd"

Seattle Linga's picture

BERT = the Gif that keeps on giffing!!!!!!!!!!

Mix's picture

Some things can't be unseen. Nightmare Fuel...

-Mix

KingsRite's picture

Sticking it to PSU and Bert all within 24 hours!

“I have yet to be in a game where luck was involved. Well-prepared players make plays. I have yet to be in a game where the most prepared team didn't win.” -Urban Meyer-

oregonianbuckeye's picture

I think I can speak for everyone here when I say that we are looking forward to Ross teaching us about Ash and his scheme. 

Gametime's picture

I was concerned at first, but this was clearly the work of Tom Herman. Here's where we can read up on Chris Ash and some calming excerpts that stood out to me that lead me to believe this is a SOLID hire:

In 2012, Wisconsin led the Big Ten and ranked third in the NCAA with a three-and-out percentage of 41.72, and the Badgers' 5.23 three and outs per game topped the Big Ten and was fourth in the country.

In 2011, Ash's first as defensive coordinator at Wisconsin, the Badgers ranked 13th in the country in scoring defense, allowing an average of 19.0 points per game, and 15th in the nation in total defense.

In 2010, Ash oversaw marked improvement in the Badger pass defense. Wisconsin allowed just 193.9 passing yards per game through the air.

In 2009, his final season at Iowa State, the Cyclones tied for second in the NCAA in red zone efficiency and ranked ninth in the NCAA with 32 takeaways.

...I too dream in color and in rhyme
So I guess I'm one of a kind in a full house
Cause whenever I open my heart, my soul or my mouth
A touch of God rains out...

DJ Byrnes's picture

That 2009 year he also coached with Tom Herman at Iowa State. Gotta think Herman vouched for him as well.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

The Butler's picture

And I am going to go out on a limb and say that Ohio State has better athletes than either Iowa St or Wisconsin.

I've trained Canaries in the sport of falconry.

 

Joe4's picture

Who knew Iowa State was such a coaching hot bed...

thePhilipJFry's picture

John Cooper and Earl Bruce before this.

Denny's picture

Ermehgerd, berthurt

Taquitos.

OSUStu's picture

I get that this isn't the most important point, but that is a DVD.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Ash is a solid hire simply because, like Larry Johnson Sr., he did the most with what little he had, both at Wisky and Bertkansas. Will be interesting to see what they both can do with the best players now.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest Civil War analogy EVER.

gutterwaste's picture

Plus one for "Bertkansas"

bethesdabuck's picture

Here's a video done by Ash teaching DBs to play Man Press Coverage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJdXTzkoVfE

Hovenaut's picture

You had me at "teaching DBs to play man press coverage".

"Success...it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

GoBucksToledo's picture

Like the "aggressive" adjective in the DVD name as well!

OSU_ALUM_05's picture

I wish I knew more about the guy. I'm sure we'll see stats of how good Arkansas' pass defense was last year.  Of course, the opponent was probably sitting on the run game to kill the clock all 2nd half, so who knows ...

FROMTHE18's picture

Larry Johnson had some awesome quotes that can be found in the article on Land Grant Holy Land, seems like there is a ton of respect for him as a coach and his preparation. One guy even went to say after only a few minutes listening to him he wanted to run through a wall for Johnson. Looking like an extremely good hire. 

BassDropper's picture

I like this hire. Was unsure at first because I didn't recognize the name. He led great defenses at Wisky and much improved defenses at Arky. I've scanned the  Arkansas boards and fans are saying their defense was at its best this year than it has been in 5 or 6 years.
 
PS. The best thing I read on an Arkansas board was that going from Arky to Ohio State is a lateral move hahahaha

DIRECTIONER

thePhilipJFry's picture

They are very wrong. 
2008 Arkansas defense 73rd
2009 Arkansas defense 34th
2010 Arkansas defense 19th
2011 Arkansas defense 45th
2012 Arkansas defense 97th
2013 Arkansas defense 84th
 
2010 Arkansas defense was the best in the last 6 years (you might remember them from a game that didn't exist).  2013 Arkansas gave up 37 points per game in sec play, 2010 Arkansas gave up 27 (and that included a game where they gave up 65 to Auburn).

Unky Buck's picture

(you might remember them from a game that didn't exist)

Oh, that game exists still. OSU may not have the "win" but Arkansas still has that loss.

...

buckguy10's picture

Wasn't Bert's excuse for leaving Wisconsin so that he could pay his asst. coaches so they wouldn't get poached by the big dogs? Looks like that issue followed him to the SEC.

TilstheHun3's picture

The best part was that UFM and tOSU did it :)

What is this? A center for ants?!? How can we be expected to teach children to learn how to read if they can't even fit inside the building?
 

BassDropper's picture

Qoutes
 

"Wisconsin fan here. Very happy about the hire. Enjoy running a bland 4-3 with absolutely no blitzes, stunts/movement on the DL, and DBs so far off the secondary bubble screen are automatic 7 yard gains."

 

Thanks for taking Chris Ash from us. I wasn't a fan. I hope you like your DBs playing 10+ yards off the LOS.
Thanks again! wave

 

I've never been so frustrated with Arkansas's secondary as I was this year. We gave too much of a cushion when we needed to press, and we pressed on 3rd and long. I didn't get it. Maybe it was a Bert thing... I mean, he is a goober.

By the way, Ash is basically worthless on the recruiting trail as well. I think he brought in maybe 1 commit over his last 2 seasons at Wisconsin.

DIRECTIONER

RunEddieRun1983's picture

Straight from the mouths of those that witnessed it.  Urban went and hired himself a yes man.  We're all excited to take the piss out of Bert when we can, but this has to be a fucking joke.  get ready for at least one more year of mediocre defensive secondary play.

I don't always downvote, but I do always downvote a Michigan fan trolling the Buckeye boards.

d5k's picture

Wow you are on fire.

cajunbuckeye's picture

Think bigger....

An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches

Hovenaut's picture

Sure - with all the mediocre talent Ohio State has with that unit.
Dude, we ain't M...igan, let's give this a chance shall we?

"Success...it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Your evidence is quotes on a butthurt rival message board?

d5k's picture

Woe to whoever's fanbase hires Luke Fickell next in his career.  Some dude is going to troll you with 11W quotes.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Yes, because disgruntled message board posters are always the most reliable source for opinions on assistant coaches.
Look, I'm not one of the "trust in Urban" people here, but I daresay Meyer knows more about Ash's qualifications than you, me, or the guy in the basement in Madison. 

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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BeijingBucks's picture

Spoken like a true Texas booster

 

 

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gm3jones's picture

Sounds like he is the perfect fit (sarcasm intended lol). Wait and see. I have, as of right now, 100% confidence in UFM to fix the pass D. If he lets the pass D go anywhere near the hundreds again, I might be singing a different tune.

There is nothing more remarkable as learning to think better.

d5k's picture

If guys cover and tackle at an elite level I don't care what our pre-snap alignment looks like.  Please stop beating this dead horse that never should have been alive in the first place.

daytonbuckeye1983's picture

Did you hear us after MSU hired Bollman?  I can still taste the crow from Indy

tennbuckeye19's picture

Ash was reportedly making $550,000 at Arkansas as their Defensive Coordinator.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I'm excited about these hires, partly for reasons stated above, but also because they appear to signal that Larry Johnson is cool with being the DL coach, not being a "Co" or outright DC, which I thought he might insist upon at this point. Maybe Larry Johnson would make an awesome Co/DC. I don't know. Whereas, we do know that a rededicated, re-energized Larry Johnson as DL teacher and recruiter extraordinaire could be a major asset.
No matter what, it's an opportunity for Johnson to recharge his batteries in a new system and, if the program progresses as we hope it does, soon he should have opportunities to do a "swan song" as a coordinator, at OSU or elsewhere, before retiring. And, in the mean time, hopefully this group of defensive coaches will really gel together so that they all feel like they have ownership and are pulling in the same direction.
A side note: during the last few years, the evidence has kept mounting that Bert was never the brain behind the operations that led Wisconsin to two legit Rose Bowl appearances (2010 and 2011 seasons, since 2012 doesn't really count). I had mad respect for Paul Chryst as a OC and he might turn out to be a pretty good HC as well. Now, one year into Bert's Ark regime, and several of his assistants are jumping ship, having noticed the leaks in the hull of S.S. Bert. Maybe that's a good sign for Ash, too. Maybe he's tired of propping up Moby Bert, which must be an exhausting job.

causeicouldntgo43's picture

Well said about Arky coaches abandoning the S.S. Bert. I believe even Rumpke would stay away from the dumpster fire that is Arkansas football under Bert.....

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Say what you will about the SEC and its fanbases, but they don't tolerate mediocrity for long -- and keep in mind it wasn't that long ago Arkansas was BCS-caliber. If Ash had stuck with Bert, he'd be unemployed in 2 years. Coming to OSU was not just about career advancement, it was about career survival.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

AngryWoody's picture

OSU/Arkansas 2013 Defense Comparison (ypg/FBS ranking)

  Rush D Pass D Total D Scoring D
Ohio State 110 ypg - 9th 267 ypg - 111th 377 ypg - 46th 22.6 ppg - 28th
Arkansas 179 ypg - 79th 234 ypg - 72nd 413 ypg - 75th 30.8 ppg - 89th

There you go. Make what you will of it.

Our Honor Defend!

d5k's picture

It was a John L. Smith dumpster fire when he arrived at Arkansas to throw some salt on those stats.

Michael Citro's picture

There you go. Make what you will of it.

 

I can make a hat, or a brooch, or a pterydactyl.

 

thePhilipJFry's picture

I can't up vote that and because i can't up vote an Airplane! reference I am now sad.

Barnsey69's picture

Bert picked a hell of a day to quit sniffing glue.

I am a modern-art masterpiece.

thePhilipJFry's picture

and now I am happy again.

Doc's picture

He picked a hell of a day to stop drinking too.
Airplane was a funny damn movie.  I'm sure the shit is hitting the fan in the Arkansas football offices.

"Say my name."

Unky Buck's picture

Every time I scroll by this I want to upvote it, but then I see it's Michael and, alas, I cannot. Well done, sir!

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tennbuckeye19's picture

I think it's fair to say that Arkansas played a tougher schedule and had less talent to work with.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Arkansas did improve on pass defense from 2012 to 2013: They went from 113th in pass defense yds/game to 72nd (as you have above). They were 102nd in 2012 in pass efficiency defense.

whobdis's picture

I'm not sure what to make of stats like that..our D was rather high for much of the year but nobody believed it. I would refer to them IF I had never had the chance to witness his D's but we have. Wisky's D were more than solid under him..knew where to be and solid tackling. This is with a group that rarely have 4 or 5 star guys. Several other coaches have stated he has a great defensive mind..if there is any chink it's a question about recruiting ability. We have others that can recruit..we need a teacher/scheme guy for this D NOW.
 

SHAKENBAKE68's picture

That's right!
Lesson #1> Look back for the dadgum ball!!
 
Go Bucks!!

There is no such thing as "friendly fire"..

mh277907's picture

You posted something very similar in the forum thread about Ash. What are you trying to say? Showing us one season of stats - a season at a brand new school with many issues thanks to the previous regime - does absolutely nothing for anyone. What am I supposed to make of it? Make a judgment of the guy's coaching ability after examining 1 year in his 15+ year career?

buckeyebobcat

AngryWoody's picture

I'm not saying anything. Those are just the stats from last year at Arkansas and here. Make what you will of it.

Our Honor Defend!

dallavise's picture

I'm pretty sure every coach in the country would like to play man press coverage, and all the best defenses every year are of an aggressive variety.  Problem is, if you don't have the talent/skill to back it up, than you get burned long and hard all day.  Scheme wasn't as much of an issue as some people talk about, unless you're talking about picking one and sticking with it.  Hopefully most of the issues are erased this year. If we got burned deep all year because of man press, we'd be crying for a zone right now. 

d5k's picture

It isn't really what coverage calls you are playing as much as playing with great technique.  I hope this guy really teaches footwork, backpedal, inside/outside technique, flipping hips and playing the ball in the air.  Then make sure the back 7 is all on the same page and you can call a lot of different defenses and they will still work in the long run.  You can play vanilla as long as the vanilla is pure, straight from the pod vanilla and not the crap they scrape out of barrels if you get my drift.

Jack Fu's picture

WAT PLAY PRESS MAN COVERAGE AND BLITZ MOAR IT SOLVES EVERYTHING

d5k's picture

*watching TV poker coverage*  "GO ALL-IN YOU JACKWAGON!"
*backseat driving* "PASS THIS GUY ON THE SHOULDER YOU TURD BURGLAR!"
 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Problem is, if you don't have the talent/skill to back it up, than you get burned long and hard all day. 

Based on what you're saying, I would think that Bert's wife jumped at the opportunity to get on the practice field herself and attempt to play man press coverage with the other low-talent DBs at Arkansas.

Fugelere's picture

Good points.  I would like to add that playing press-man more often, is not a cure-all for all our defensive woes. Poor fundamentals, tackling and attempting to play every coverage shell known to man played a much bigger role in our defensive breakdowns.

d5k's picture

Yes, playing press-man wouldn't magically make Pitt Brown not run way underneath a corner route in cover 2.

Fugelere's picture

Absolutely.  Execution > Scheme.

Him1stftballl8er's picture

He seems promising. September couldn't get here any sooner!  I'd like to see how well he does recruiting. 

The wise shall inherit glory, but shame shall be the promotion of fools. 

RufusVonDufus's picture

Does not mentioning the name Fickell in this article make me feel any better about the D?   No!    As long as Fickell is involved in the D I will never feel good about it.    He has proven that he is not a winner defensively so no matter who they bring in it won't matter as long as Fickell is designated as D-coordinator in any way.

Bucksnnuts

UrbanAssaultVehicle's picture

I'm pretty sure Fickell has been on the defensive staff since 2002...and you are going to say hes not a winner? Id say that span saw arguably one of the greatest consecutive years of defensive college football in the history (Im biased...deal with it).  Lets also not forget which position group he coached last year and how that group faired.  I think its wise to take a step back and look at the facts before we start demanding people's heads.

BenArazi4's picture

The abominable LB group?  Yep that one?  Even with Shazier one of the best players in America over-pursuing and biting on almost every PA pass?  Sorry, that's Fickell.  Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall him as a coordinator in 2002, that was Dantonio buddy and look where Dantonio is now.  Look where Taver Johnson, look where Mike Tressel is now.  Fickell has had his chance to prove himself and he has in some years as a recruiter.  He hasn't as a coach and he's possibly one of the worst coordinators in America that plays scared.  Only place for Fickell right now is as a recruiting coordinator.  He is very lucky with the Johnson hire, as the D-Line play will improve drastically and mask his inability to make competent decisions.

 
 
 

Buckeye80's picture

Not throwing guys under the bus, but you realize our lack of depth at LB has been so bad that we had to move a FB to starting Mike and we had a walk on in the two deep this year. Think about that for a minute...a walk on in the two deep, at the real Linebacker U. Depth has been an issue at LB. 

HotSauceCommittee's picture

buck 80 - I always looked at Berger making the two deep as him playing above his head. Never really looked at it as a state of LB union. Your point makes more sense than mine. Another point to the anti-Fickell crowd. 

UrbanAssaultVehicle's picture

Never said he was a coordinator.  Just that he has been on the staff.  But you are technically correct that he was in fact the Special Teams coach in '02-'03 and not on the defensive staff.

tennbuckeye19's picture

Keep in mind that none of us know if this is a good hire or not until, you know, football is actually played. 
I'm reserving judgment on Johnson and Ash till we see what they can get done in recruiting and on the field.

d5k's picture

The hiring decision is made with information available at the time, Urban can't predict the future.  So we are evaluating the hires with our naive subset of that information.
That said, I look forward to the results too!  If we nab 1 more stud recruit out of these hires then it will feel like a win.

tennbuckeye19's picture

Oh I agree. I don't mind everyone sharing their opinions, that's what the site is for, just want everyone to keep things in perspective. 

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So we have 3 Co-Defensive Coordinators now.  They must have done well as a position coach to get promoted up to DC, but having more than 1 guy at the top on the defensive side of the ball is what I think gave us problems last year.  I like having 1 boss and 1 clear philosophy.
 
Also, as much as Meyer has said he wants an aggressive defense, Luke, Ash and Johnson seem to have all ran the bend but don’t break, big cushion, zones defenses.
 

d5k's picture

The best defenses often find ways to get pressure with 4-5 guys and blanket guys in the secondary.  You can do that playing a lot of different coverages in the back end.

45has2's picture

UFM can't hire assistants worth a damn. The only way he won 2 NC's at UF was letting his AD, Foley, do all the hiring. I guess Gene Smith doesn't want to be bothered. I know, Urbz should hire BUCKEYEDEXTER and RUNEDDIERUN  as Co-personnel directors for OSU football coaches. Their vast experience and expertise in building championship programs would put Urban right back on top.
 
 

"I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people." -W.W. Hayes

mtgerken's picture

I am a happy man this morning. If there were to better hires in cfb atheltics this season I would like to know them! Ash as Co-Defensive Coordinator is the only way Fickell can keeep his job! So good So good So good Sweet Urbannnnn

"Because I couldn't go for three!"

 

Jugdish's picture

If Urban continues with these type of shenanigans, he will ruin any chance of making up with Bert.

Remember to get your wolverine spade or neutered. TBDBITL

Dean's picture

Bert, 8 days ago:
Bielema said no other programs have reached out to speak to other Arkansas assistant coaches. Defensive coordinator Chris Ash and linebackers coach Randy Shannon were recently linked to other jobs in published reports.
"The distance between truth and reality can be pretty wide in coaching," Bielema said.
http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2014/jan/06/bielema-nearing-assistant...
Really love that last quote.

gutterwaste's picture

Sort of like the distance between "Bielema is a good coach, and a stand up dude" and the reality

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

What's Bert gotta say about that?  Here's what I say
#FUCKINGKARMABITCH

Class of 2010.

2002osubuck's picture

I really like the Johnson hire, we know hes a great coach and recruiter, and I think Ash is gonna help the secondary immediately. He's made the secondary significantly better everywhere hes been and had Wisc's D tops in the country, especially passing D, when he was the DC the years they went to the rose bowl. In 2009, he was at ISU with Herman, and they were 3rd nationally in red zone D and had 32 takeaways. I'm sure if this guy wasn't up to the job Herman wouldve said something, instead he's our co-DC, so Herman must think he's a good coach. I look forward to seeing improvement with these guys on the staff.

Nick's picture

Time will telll but,

win-win. Bert looks like the dumbass that he is, tOSU hires someone who's not fit to be a DC at Drake.
now i get to laugh at osu fans thinking they got someone that's "aggressive".

Alpo's picture

I'm looking forward to seeing what Ash can do. We can't really get any worse with regards to our db play and he's shown he can coach up secondary play before. He may not be the big name hire everyone wanted but lets give him a shot before we bash on the guy. I'll trust Urban and his record/coaching tree to bring in the right guy to get our defense going. Quotes from rival message boards mean absolutely nothing to me. 

Maffro's picture

Here are the ranks for opponent-adjusted metrics (F/+, FEI, S&P+) of Ash's defenses going back to 2005. I am focusing mostly on pass defense. I currently have no opinion one way or another on Ash, and I present this here for your information, not to push any agenda.

Year School Position Def. F/+ DFEI Def. S&P+ Pass Downs S&P+ Passing S&P+
2005 ISU Secondary n/a n/a 36/119 82 98
2006 ISU Secondary n/a n/a 112 106 102
2007 SDSU Secondary n/a 119 119 113 116
2008 SDSU Secondary 118/120 115 115 114 113
2009 ISU Secondary 111 111 98 100 118
2010 Wisky DC 29 33 20 31 17
2011 Wisky DC 52 49 55 58 80
2012 Wisky DC 14/124 12 16 19 16
2013 Ark DC 94/125 100 82 63 49

 

kareemabduljacobb's picture

A little video from Coach Ash's ISU days, teaching DBs to play Man Press:

 
And him during his Wisky days explaining his Aggressive 4-3 scheme and shutting down the passing game.

"Setting up the system":

 

OSU2002Grad's picture

Oh, so we went out and picked up a guy who also likes to play soft coverage in the secondary. "Yippee!" - says every wide receiver in the Big Ten.

Citrus's picture

Guy's name is Ash and no Army of Darkness gifs? I'll remedy that. 

Hopefully, next year the dbs will deliver a BOOM (stick)

kareemabduljacobb's picture

Great movie.  Bruce Campbell = badass.  Hell, just look at my avatar haha. 

FROMTHE18's picture

I think I'd be less interested in investigating and developing my opinion of this hire if he was simply a secondary coach rather than 'Co-DC'. Given our struggles it was important to get a guy in who can help us solve many of the issues that made our defense one of, if not the worst defense in Ohio State history. Part of what Ive found (a lot of it from here) makes me feel happy about it, then theres always that skeptic side of me that is concerned we could have 'done better'. Wait and see, but definitely mixed opinion; however, I wouldnt think Meyer would just hire a guy without doing an intense amount of studying on what he brings to the program. 

OSUBias's picture

I mentioned above, but it feels a lot like the "who the %$&# is that?!?!?!" when we hired Herman. He's done fairly well.
I'm not sure what to make of this hire yet, and neither does anyone else. Just because he used to play with corners 10 yards off doesn't mean he will with our defense. Likewise, just because he had good defenses at Wisconsin doesn't mean he will here. Too soon to tell, but he will have the most talented players yet this season.
Before anyone jumps off a ledge, just remember that Withers was generally thought to be a very good hire and we (in general) were all looking forward to how he'd transform the defense. So let's wait and see some practices in the spring before we go all Black Shoes Diary tantrum.

Shitter's full

hcazualcc's picture

Bert reportedly left Wisconsin because they wouldn't pay their assistants enough to retain them for a reasonable amount of time.  From Grantland - "Yet he’d grown frustrated with his inability to pay high-priced assistants, and he’d always had a restless streak. He didn’t expect he would leave Wisconsin anytime soon, and even if he did, he had no clue where he might go."
Now Bert comes out saying this...

 

kareemabduljacobb's picture

Bert will be fired in 2 years.

Hovenaut's picture

What's this he says about having success?

"Success...it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes

kareemabduljacobb's picture

Who do you think cheats more?  The SEC or Berts wife?

umbyosu's picture

Half of that question does not need to be answered.  #karma!

HotSauceCommittee's picture

Inappropriate. Let's turn to the judges. I will allow it!!!!! #karma

Doc's picture

Neither hire moves the needle for me, but I'm going to wait to pass judgement.  i trust Urban knows what he is doing.

"Say my name."

Jack Fu's picture

Same here. As I said in a different thread, I don't know shit about shit, and don't have the first clue about whether these are good hires or not. But I trust in UFM.
That being said, after combing through this thread, if I never read the word "aggressive" again, it'll be too soon.

BoFuquel's picture

Welcome aboard Coach Ash. GO BUCKS!

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

fanfarris's picture

We have a good Head coach.We should trust his judgment.He has been successful  everywhere he coached.i will not doubt his choices and neither should any Buckeyes fan who likes winning.

you
 

DelaBuck's picture

 We have a good great head coach.
 

bassplayer7770's picture

I know this would be a lot of work, but I'd be really curious if Ross could do an article on what we might expect with the new hires on the defensive side of the ball.
The Spring game should be a good reflection on what we can expect next Fall.  I certainly hope to attend assuming it's back at the Shoe.

Unky Buck's picture

Both hirings not only bring on respected coaches and recruiters, but also take away from two rivals — Bret Bert Bielema and Penn State.

I went ahead and fixed that for you guys.

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Go1Bucks's picture

I guess my thought of hitting it out of the park with a hire meant someone really well known from a great defense that, with the money we can afford, meant we would lure away from a program with great D or the NFL, without worrying if we were going hurt feelings getting an ace DC.  Obviously, my expectations were alot loftier than those of OSU and Meyer.
So I will wait til next year and not think about what I have no control over, and hope that these men help our system. I of course want us to do the best and win the NC so heres to next year. May we rise to the occasion.
 
Go Bucks!

Go Bucks!

jamesrbrown322's picture

Is Heacock still playing some sort of role with the program? As I said, I'd like to see OSU do what many in the SEC, especially Saban do, regarding having "consultants" which are essentially recruiters, that are training on the job to later become assistants.
I mean, it's an arms race isn't it? So, we'd better stay on top of what kind of weapons are available to fight the war.

"I can accept failure, but I cannot accept not trying." - W.W. Hayes

Zimmy07's picture

I wonder how much getting inside info on conference rivals plays into this.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I have the upmost faith that Urban knows what he is doing when hiring assistant coaches and given the quickness of these moves, he had already done his homework.  I am really looking forward to the Sliver Bullets version 2014 given the new coaching blood and fresh young defensive talent we're blessed with!!!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

TheSpiteHouse's picture

Absolutely. The end of last season was kind of a bummer, but these hirings have me psyched for next season already!

Seattle Linga's picture

Congrats Urban - Great job - 5* coach teaching tackling - I am all bubbly 

zoetaite's picture

He isn't the BIG "can't miss" hire that everyone was expecting, but UFM knows a little more about the game than anyone commenting at the moment. The 'D' needs to evolve and I am sure with the talent on our roster it can only get better.
If our 'D' was ranked 20 - 30 nationally this past season we would have been playing in the NC IMO. For as bad as it was in both our losses we were still in both games and should have won if the 'O' used their brains and gave the ball to Carlos.
ZT

CowCat's picture

I think Urbz mentioned right after his hiring that he prefers to have two D coordinators, in order to maintain continuity in the system if one DC leaves.
And, for all the Fickell bashers ... Fickell coached the linebackers, not the safeties and corners.   The passing game problems were primarily Withers and Coombs' problems, and a bit on Vrabel for generating a pass rush.
Against the run our LBs did acceptably, so Fickell was not the source of our issues.
I think we'll have a dominant D with this setup -- I can't wait!
 

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

2014nationalchamps's picture

im more pumped about LJ Sr. With Urb backing him on recruiting visits and the OSU brand, his stellar recruiting is only going to get better.

O-H-I-O  for life

ThaiBuckeye's picture

Welcome aboard Coach Ash and Coach Johnson...................with our recruiting you will be given the best athletes to succeed ......................good luck,  GO BUCKS!!!!!

d5k's picture

Hope they assist in picking the groceries as well as cooking dinner in the parlance of Bill Parcells.

OhioSlim2014's picture

Great day. Amazing D-line coach and a great young defensive mind in Ash. Welcome to The Ohio State University. Happy to have you.

Hetuck21's picture

Sounds like LJ has some left in the tank and sees a nice group of D lineman to work with. The Ash hire sounds like Herman got his future DC on staff for when they take a job at some Texas university next year. I guess they can use the same moving company. I give the day an eehhhh let's see what happens. Can it really get worse in the secondary? 

Bamabucknut's picture

Who has the overall power on defense to say the way things will be ?
Hopefully NOT Fickell. Does anyone know ?

Buckeye80's picture

I think this was the problem last year Fickell called the plays, but the way he played his fronts did not match with how Withers played the secondary. They didn't blend. There's a reason why Urban has left Fickell alone (at least to this point). I'm sure he's confident that they can get this defense playing together. 

ChazBuckeye's picture

Poor Bret lol. And I wish Fickell the best after this season...

Some people think we’re the hunted.I don’t feel that way at all.We’re the hunter.Everybody wants an angry football team.Everybody wants a team on edge and a hungry team.If you’re a hunter,that usually equates to being hungry.

TomD's picture

I've never really understood the practical reasons for "co-defensive coordinators."
Shouldn't one guy clearly be in charge of the defense?  Probably more than on the offensive side of the ball, the defense needs a clear, unambiguous identity . . . a unifying approach to attacking the opposition offense.  Without this, defenses become too reactive, unfocussed and confusion ensues.  Am I wrong here?
And if there is any consolation to losing Mike Vrabel, it is the hiring of Larry Johnson, Sr..  Great save by Coach Meyer.

"I love football.  I think it is the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose."  WOODY HAYES

Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

Before Meyer came on board.....it was explained several years ago when Tressel was still coaching that the whole Co-DC thing was simply an in game setup. For example.....Jim Heacock and Luke Fickel used to be the Co-DCs. I believe starting out, Jim was in the booth and Luke was on the sideline. Then the last couple years before Tress got fired they switched and Jim went down on the field while Luke went to the booth. This was done so that both coaches could work as a tandem duo during the game when deciding on what coverages and plays to run. Now obviously the guy in the booth should have the incentative because he has the birds eye view of the action on the field  below. I look at these comments a lot and I'm surprised no one ever mentions that Tom Herman and Ed Warriner are both OCs. I would think however that the way their in game setup is compared to the defense is different. The idea is another set of eyes in case on guy doesn't see something, maybe someone else does. I am willing to bet that Chris Ash and Tom Herman will be in the booth together. Luke will be on the sideline giving the play signals and adjustments etc. via Ash.

Kernfan's picture

I think noone mentions the co-OC situation since it has worked much better.  If the offense had struggled and the defense was one of the top 3, then you would see fire Herman or Warriner comments.

TomD's picture

Thanks for the clarification . . . is the co-OC/DC designation common today in college football?  I understand the in-the-booth/on-the-field approach to coaching during a game, but I guess I'm old fashioned . . . ultimately one coach should be in charge of the defense, both practically and in name.
If Ash and Fickell are co-defensive coordinators next year, who will have the last say with regards to scheme and overall approach on the defensive side of the ball?  I'm thinking more in terms of general defensive scheme/strategy and pre-game defensive tactics, not during-the-game play calling.

"I love football.  I think it is the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose."  WOODY HAYES

Crimson's picture

Would Ash be here without the co-DC title and pay raise?
Would Johnson be here without the asst.-HC title and pay raise?
I understand that people want to know who to blame, but these titles are a pay raise over other schools to get better people on board than otherwise possible.

TomD's picture

I don't want to necessarily blame anybody, I just want the defense to be the best it can be.  Competent coaching is the foundation of a good defense.  If giving coaches extra titles helps accomplishes that, without interfering with the effective implementation of the defensive scheme, fine.

"I love football.  I think it is the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose."  WOODY HAYES

Crimson's picture
  • Pay raise to get a better coach
  • Continuity
  • Someone to bounce game-planning ideas at
Buckeyeholicwompa's picture

This is the kind of look we want offensive coordinators to have when up against us. (Dan Mullen, former OC for Meyer at FL).

TomD's picture

Imagine if, early in the Michigan State championship game, Braxton Miller, Kenny Guiton and Dontre Wilson had lined up together on the offensive side of the ball . . . that is throwing a monkey wrench into a defensive game plan.
Make the defense react to the unforeseen . . . in real time.  Do not play into a defense's hands, and do the expected.  I kept hoping for it . . . even if only a couple times . . . but it never happened.

"I love football.  I think it is the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose."  WOODY HAYES

acBuckeye's picture

Actually, all they had to do in the loss to MSU and even in the one to Clemson was to keep giving it to El Guapo. Nothing fancy. The dude was impossible to stop for 4 quarters.
Do that and we were in Pasadena playing for it all.

killernutz's picture

Well this just sucks...