Sammy Watkins, Clemson Run Wild on Ohio State in Orange Bowl

By Kyle Rowland on January 4, 2014 at 12:16a
364 Comments
Braxton Miller sits alone in the end zone.

MIAMI GARDENS, Fla. – As win after win piled up for two seasons, it seemed as if every Saturday in the fall would yield positive results for Ohio State. But the team that was once on the cusp of a national championship ended a potential dream season with a whimper.

The seventh-ranked Buckeyes stood at 12-0 – and 24-0 – less than a month ago. Now, the final record stands at 12-2. Urban Meyer said there’s a big difference between 12-2 and 13-1, and he was right.

“It’s going to sting for a while, probably a long while because we didn't finish,” Meyer said after a 40-35 loss in the Orange Bowl. “It was right there.”

Both Ohio State and Clemson have fought national perception issues and were using the Orange Bowl as a boost. In the end, it was the Tigers who turned the tide. They enter 2014 coming off their first BCS win in a back-and-forth affair that left defensive coaches pulling out handfuls of hair.

The over/under was topped with plenty of time to spare. For a month, all the talk was about the Buckeyes’ and Clemson’s efficient, supercharged offenses. They lived up to the hype, providing more fireworks than Dierks Bentley’s pyrotechnic-heavy halftime show.

But in the end, it was a defensive play that decided the outcome. First came an inexplicable interception by Tajh Boyd on third down with one minute, 27 seconds left. The miscue gave Ohio State possession of the football 48 yards from victory.

Two plays later, Braxton Miller topped Boyd when he threw a pass right into the hands of linebacker Stephone Anthony. The Tigers ran out the clock on the game and the Buckeyes’ 2013 season. A trip to Miami filled with possibilities ended in disappointment.

Miller finished 16 of 24 passing for 234 yards with two touchdowns and two interceptions. He had 18 rushes for 35 yards and two touchdowns. But five of those “runs” were sacks by the Tigers’ relentless defense. Miller was pounded each and every corner, nearly into submission due to shoulder and rib injuries. It was an uncharacteristic night for a usual stout offensive line with left tackle Jack Mewhort’s nondescript performance acting as a headliner. 

“I’m a competitor. I don’t like to sit down. I gave it all I had,” Miller said. “Things happen in the game. You get injured and you have to fight through it. On a scale of 1-10, the pain was a 9.5.”

After winning the Chicago Tribune Silver Football, Miller said the toll of hits could factor into his NFL decision before backtracking. He hasn’t set a timetable on when he’ll announce and said he isn’t leaning one way or the other.

Running back Carlos Hyde had 113 yards rushing and one touchdown, and Philly Brown recorded eight catches for 116 yards.

It was a week filled with mishaps for Ohio State – Noah Spence’s suspension, injuries, flu-gate, etc. Bad news was always lurking around the corner. Clemson happily took any advantage it could gain.

Gain, as in yardage, became a constant for the Tigers. Boyd totaled 505 yards of offense – 378 passing, 127 rushing – and tallied six touchdowns. He completed 31 of 40 passes and ran for a career-long 48-yard touchdown.

“What a legacy,” Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney said. “He put an exclamation point on it tonight.”

His favorite target, wide receiver Sammy Watkins, finished with an Orange Bowl-record 227 receiving yards and 16 receptions (two touchdowns). Together, Boyd and Watkins produced arguably the biggest win since the Tigers won the 1981 national championship.

The Buckeyes trailed 20-9 in the second quarter, scored 20 unanswered points and then frittered away the lead. The biggest play of the game came in the third quarter when Ohio State led 29-20. Brown attempted to field a punt with pressure bearing down on him and fumbled. Clemson scored on the ensuing possession and again on its next possession. In barely more than three minutes, the Tigers went from down nine to up by five.

“I felt like the offense was starting to get clicking at that point,” Hyde said. “I thought we could make it happen.”

The Buckeyes retook the lead on a 10-play, 75-yard drive early in the fourth quarter. A 14-yard touchdown run by Hyde put Ohio State in front 35-34. It attempted a two-point conversion, but backup quarterback Kenny Guiton, in for Miller after he was injured on the touchdown play, threw an incomplete pass.

The lead lasted about five minutes after Boyd took Clemson that same 75 yards. The Buckeyes had two chances to win the game in the final six minutes, but couldn’t get closer than 46 yards from the end zone. On the first possession, Miller fumbled after being leveled by Bashaud Breeland. The last opportunity was Miller’s fateful pick to Anthony.

Clemson finished with 576 total yards.

“We’re not a championship-caliber defense right now, although we think about the last two games, we were in position to go win,” Meyer said. “Our defense certainly made some plays to help us go win a game.”

The Tigers won the coin toss, elected to receive and scored on the opening drive, foreshadowing what was to come for Ohio State. On third down, Boyd ran up the middle for a 48-yard touchdown. Miller answered the call, though, by scampering for a 33-yard touchdown of his own to tie the game at 7.

Then the Sammy Watkins Show started.

“I don’t know all the receivers in the country, but I can’t imagine any better than that guy,” Meyer said.

His first touchdown came in the first half on a 34-yard pass against true freshman Vonn Bell. The momentum would swing yet again when Cameron Johnston pinned Clemson at the 1-yard line. On the first play, Boyd was called for intentional grounding in the end zone, which resulted in a safety and a score of 14-9. The lead was extended to 20-9 before the Buckeyes scored 20 straight.

But mistakes were Ohio State’s undoing. Two fumbles and two interceptions loomed large. Ironically, it was Clemson who entered the Orange Bowl with turnover problems.

“It takes teams to win,” Swinney said. “And listen, we made enough mistakes to probably lose the game tonight. But we kept picking each other up. Our defense was awesome.”

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Mute's picture

This offense is built to beat weak teams

DefendYoungstown's picture

So Herman was supposed to be this offensive genius, as far as I'm concerned Bollman called better games in the B1G Championship game and the Rose Bowl. Herman can't mix up the offense, and calls a very vanilla game.  Somebody mentioned in the live chat that we broke all kinds of offensive records this season how could you say Herman isn't all that.  When you can't win big games who cares about offensive records? That's all I have to say about this.

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

bucksrmk's picture

Miller was not right after the hit in the end zone on first td. Why do we refuse to use Wilson more. My gosh be creative with him. They run the same damn play every time.

O-H-

faux_maestro's picture

as far as I'm concerned Bollman called better games in the B1G Championship game and the Rose Bowl.

Jim Bollman is "Co-Offensive Coordinator/Tight Ends" coach. From what I've heard though he isn't calling the games, much like when he was in Columbus (except the abomination that was 2011). Dave Warner is their playcaller.
 
http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/jim_bollman_842164.html

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penguinpower's picture

I happen to completely agree. There are 7 things that bother me: #1 Braxton is an excellent athlete, but not an excellent QB (yet). #2 You cannont run your QB against good teams or they will hurt the QB (and he was hurt once again). I still don't understand why designed QB runs were called at the end of the game with a hurt QB. #3. If you don't have a real deep or intermediate passing threat a good DC will keep the box stacked and dare you to throw. Braxton almost always goes for the deep ball and rarely picks up the intermediate routes. #4 we don't throw enough to the TE's. #5 39 points should be enough to win. You cannont continually put the weight of the game on the O. We need to get back to allowing 10 points per game. #6 If defense wins championships then we are far and away from a championship right now. #7. We have better athletes than Clemson. They put the ball in the hands of 2 players all night and we were unable to limit them.

Turban Meyer's picture

We do not have a Sammy Watkins.  Tajh Boyd is also superior to Braxton when it comes to the passing game. 

buckeyepastor's picture

I think Herman's a good coach, but I was disappointed that with a month to prepare our play-calling and formations had no creativity or uniqueness.  Not saying we re-invent the wheel the way FLA did to us in 2007, but a month to prep with experienced players and a veteran line should yield SOMETHING new - a few plays in the diamond formation, some other power looks in short yardage, using the quick screens to the wideouts to set up something bigger deep, more roll-outs when the pocket was continuing to cave on Miller.   
Expected to see some new looks - not gimmicks, but just a few things that we haven't been seeing all year.   

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

ToetotheFace's picture

Yeah Weak teams like Alabama, one of the best scoring offenses ever in 08 Oklahoma, and the best Cincy team in the last 20 years. Bottom line, if this defense was slightly competent, they win tonight. Offensive line struggled and Braxton was injured for the much of the game, still put up 35 points. Stop crying pro offense at two close losses against top ten teams. Same thing happened for Bollman against Wisconsin, Florida, USC, Texas,.....etc. Although they actually had a top 15 defense during those years.
Offensive play calling has been weak at times, but you can't blame it all on the coaches.

bucksrmk's picture

100% agree offense can always improve but our D is an absolute joke!!!!! Teams score at will on us. My goodness tackle someone. How many times did Clemson run the damn wide receiver screen. Pathetic. Must have new DC.

O-H-

okiebuck's picture

Bullshit; the offense lost this game. We all knew there would be a lot of points put up tonight but our guys (Herman, UFM, Miller) could not keep it going after the first half.

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

ToetotheFace's picture

No Bullshit, I never said the offensive play calling didn't have a part in it, especially at the end. You're blaming it on the offense when the quarterback was injured all fourth quarter, and the defense rarely could make a stop all game against what amounted to a series of screens for the most part. Miller could barely throw at the end of the game, you try taking 19 hits and while still throwing on target. Meyer has called many brilliant offensive game plans, we lost two games that could have gone either way against top teams. You have to understand that when one side of the ball isn't even average, the team is going to be forced in to uncomfortable scenarios where play calling becomes incredibly difficult.

okiebuck's picture

Was not disagreeing with you; was just venting; very disappointed in our offense these last two games.

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

Actorjonnyb's picture

Where in the fucking hell was Guiton? What a blunder by Meyer. Miller can't even see straight and the Defense gives us a shot at the end, and that is what Herman and Meyer give us? A FUCKING 5th YEAR SENIOR Fresh legs and all sitting on the bench? Guiton is, by far, the most screwed college player of all time.
I wouldn't let Fickel even stay at the hotel. SEE the handling  of Kiffin by USC...NO ADJUSTMENTS at ALL, esp against the sideline pass. That is all coaching. Period
Anyone can beat the wuss teams on our schedule. Show me a signature win by meyer during the past two years. Lost to a good MSU team, but not great...(Don't fucking kid yourself - Stanford isn't that good). Lost to a mediocre Clemson team that got there ass handed to them by FSU and South Carolina this year.
O how the mighty have fallen

buckeyeinla

JJ_Puggington's picture

I agree completely. If Urban doesn't shake up the coaching staff we're looking at another Cooper.

cjkanski's picture

I really agree with you on "where was Kenny G?"  I thought for sure we'd see him after the next to last Miller int. I was hoping he'd come in and stone cold lead us to victory!

Alabama Buckeye's picture

I agree, UFM has not had a signature win or even a good win yet. I am think those wins will come but right about now I am missing Tresselball. Correct me if I'm wrong guys but I don't ever remember our defense looking so poor in a very long time and certainly not when Treadle was here. I know he isn't coming back but maybe a shake up with the assistant coaches might help...

cjkanski's picture

If he could barely throw the ball, what the hell was he doing in the game? More to the point why all the deep routes when we knew a blitz was coming? All kinds of out routes to the tight ends that could have been called on to save Miller some of the hits he took tonight.

Turban Meyer's picture

One. Little. Slant. 

joel121270's picture

Agreed, had there been anything that remotely resembled a decent d Osu wins this game hands down. Not sure why he went all pass the last drive as they had good field position and time puts. Sadly, I think this comes down to philly brown though and his weekly punt return drama. He fair catches that with the the way they were moving the ball we might not be here right now.

Smithy's picture

Have to agree. 
 

bucksrmk's picture

Not a chance B Miller should turn pro!!! He must come back to get better!! First touchdown hit in endzone hurt him bad. He was out of it tonight. Would not be surprised to learn if he had a concussion.

Totally different conversation if Brown does not fumble. One of the worst plays I have seen. Just terrible.

O-H-

Hovenaut's picture

Read you loud and clear, ATX.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I am not very smart.

ATXbucknut's picture

Right on, brother.
The saddest part for me is that Ohio State is now 279-1 all-time when scoring at least 35 points.  I take the long view of things and wanted to keep that unblemished record and avenge '78. 
So many ghosts still with us...

NoleFan9399's picture

On the bright side, their record is still unblemished when they score 36 or more.

Jameis is truly famous

ATXbucknut's picture

+1.  Ha! Very good point!  Good luck on Monday.

NoleFan9399's picture

Thanks. The fact that I'm so comfortable about it makes me suspicious. 

Jameis is truly famous

BuckGuy003's picture

great second half...couldnt overcome the mental mistakes.

FLAMikey's picture

punt fumble was the game killer

cjkanski's picture

All the momentum was handed away to Clemson on that muff

buckeyedude's picture

I hate to blame one person, because it is a team sport, but Philly Brown cost OSU the game with that fumble. He's had good hands all season, but fumbled at probably the worst possible point in the entire season. OSU had the momentum on offense and defense just started to click. I knew it was 'game over' when he handed Clemson that field position and gave the ball back to Watkins and Boyd. That was the break they were looking for. Game over.
This team will never be a national title contender until they get that horrid defense under control. I'm thankful we didn't squeak by MSU, because FSU absolutely throttled Clemson. It wasn't even close. Imagine what Jameis Winston would have done to our defense. I shudder at the thought of something worse than 41-14.

 

 

Jonnferrell's picture

It's true that OSU should have won the game.  It's true that the muffed punt was very costly, but we don't win that game without Philly Brown.  He was gutsy and ran some great routes.  No one worked harder than him after that play to try to win that game.  He was open for the winning touchdown, but Braxton was too hurt to make the throw.  It was heart wrenching, but they just were not able to make the play when it counted.  It was so close to being a storybook win, but not this time.  A great game.  

"I miss Brady Hoke."

BuckeyeChief's picture

Great game, horrible ending.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

smartfootballrankings's picture


 
Someone please shop Fickell's head with Urban sitting down.

DefendYoungstown's picture

^^^^ What this guy said...

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

Actorjonnyb's picture

agreed

buckeyeinla

ajg OSU 5's picture

24-2 in two seasons is impressive but we come out of it with 0 B1G championships and 0 bowl wins. Im not satisfied

Muck Fichigan

sandytowne's picture

Zero bowl wins, zero B1G championships, zero wins over top 15 teams.  Those 24 wins were built on the level of competition as much as it was on the skill of OSU.  

Ginger_buckeye's picture

Couldn't agree more. The only thing we have got these past two seasons are self made rings for a undefeated 2012 season. After watching this game I'm glad we didn't get nc game against fsu it would have been ugly

We don't give a d*** for the whole state of M*******

ajg OSU 5's picture

Yea the national championship wouldve been ugly if we made it. Were not the best team in the country let alone the B1G. Michigan State is the king of the B1G

Muck Fichigan

Ginger_buckeye's picture

They looked like it this year for sure. I'm praying so much that lattimore and smith commit tomorrow we need all the secondary help we can get

We don't give a d*** for the whole state of M*******

flipbuckeye's picture

Had no business being in the game as long as we were. 

Baroclinicity's picture

In the end, I think it is pretty much what I expected minus the chance to win it at the end.

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

joel121270's picture

Well they had a chance and not quite sure why they went to total pass with field postion and time outs but I am no coach.

Actorjonnyb's picture

not to mention Miller was done. Where was Kenny G...Please - He should have been in there.

buckeyeinla

Blackbeards Delight's picture

Somebody's gone. Did a single DB turn around and find the ball once tonight?

Crunchy Peanut Butter Bitches.

- Me

 

bucknut3011's picture

Yes, they did.  A lot more than i have seen up to this point.  Clemson's WRs (Watkins and Bryant) are NFLers.  When they weren't making absolutely spectacular catches, we were beat on screen plays and loss of containment.

Crumb's picture

They NEVER do!!! And it drives me insane!!!!!!!! TURN YOUR FREAKING HEAD!!!

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

saltybuck61's picture

This will be an unpopular opinion, but I thought that they played better than they have all year. I can't recall another game where they had somewhat solid plays. This was the first game where Armani Reeves stepped up. He made some solid plays tonight. 
The frustrating part was defending screen passes. It would be nice for one of the DB's to key in on it, especially with how frequently the play was used.

cjkanski's picture

I'll back you on this Salty, while they never looked like they had the confidence to look back early enough to make a play on the ball, I did see improvement on how they made a last min look to at least defend the play.

Buck Commander's picture

Fuckin A you nailed it on the head......Fickells happy ass needs to go He sucks

Every time I set my DVR to record Biggest Loser......It always records Wolverine Football Games!

okiebuck's picture

Cooms should be gone asap

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

Sean N's picture

Sorry for the accidental down vote, Commander. Don't want to be mistaken for one of the Fickell Friends & Family who instantaneously down vote anything remotely critical of him.

Actorjonnyb's picture

amen brother. He is the WORST coordinator in college football bar none.

buckeyeinla

BtownBuckeye's picture

Is very simple, if you don't know where the ball is you can't defend it.

ballgame's picture

What a huge shit sandwich. This was a frustrating game to watch. As exciting as the offense has been this year, aspects of the defense have been equally as horrifying. I know there were great expectations going into the season, but it became pretty apparent that this team had some flaws (adequately defending a screen pass, as it turns out, being a big one). Congratulations on another good season, and congrats to Clemson on the win. I’m hoping Braxton stays, and the defensive issues get addressed, however that has to happen. And if I ever hear Matt Millen utter the words "hurtin' buckaroo" again, it will be too soon.

bucknut3011's picture

Hmm... Defense did about what I expected.  Offensive line let us down.  Clemson came ready to fight.

cwglee's picture

Whoops!
~Philly Brown

gneptuneproductions's picture

Am I the only one screaming at the scream about the phantom interception!?

BuckeyeChief's picture

nope. i am too.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

SPreston2001's picture

Honestly that could have been called either way. He came down with it, rolled over with it, then lost it when he went to get up. You can critique anything if its slowed down and replayed over and over again but in real time it would be hard to dispute the catch. Besides that was Millers second interception attempt on that drive. The defender dropped the first one so Brax gave em another shot with the second...

BuckeyeChief's picture

Wow, you guys act like we completely got manhandled at at no point were we in it.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

kalabuckzoo's picture


I can only speak for myself but I have higher expectations than what we were shown tonight.

Actorjonnyb's picture

Thank you! I expect more as well!

buckeyeinla

timtom's picture

We were in it until the last turnover.  But if you don't get upset, mad, pissed off, etc.. while watching that defense, then you must be a glass completely full kind of guy.  With just an average defense we win the game. 

timtom

BuckeyeChief's picture

LMAO I am the most negative person ever. I am pretty disgusted at the state of things right now, and wish we could get some combo of Jim Tressel and Urban Meyer. Straight up disgusted.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

GoBucks10's picture

Good season boya

"Because I couldn't go for three."  - Woody Hayes

okiebuck's picture

You look in the dictionary under no nothing moron and this is who you' there.

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

kevdale86's picture

All the momentum was gone after Philly's muff.....

airborne082385's picture

KEVDALE,
you hit the nail on the head with the defensive stop Clemson was getting ready to quit like they did against FSU & USCe.  We could of hammered their defensive front with Hyde and put this game to rest.  With Brown's fumble which all of us I am sure are not to suprised to see it cost us the game.   

kevdale86's picture

We didn't need him to have a big return. Catch the ball and get the offense back out there. 9 point lead and all the momentum. That was just a selfish play by someone who should know better.

ToetotheFace's picture

Definitely cost the game, all he had to do was fair catch the damn ball. I was screaming at that for about 10 minutes.

DudeNick4's picture

Haha. Glad to hear I wasn't the only one who was carrying on about that play. Very disappointed.

Smithy's picture

Yes. That punt fumble was the difference.

hootch2's picture

Didn't learn a thing in the Michigan State game...Take the ball out of Hydes hands, lose the game.

Ethan's picture

Thankfully Fickell won't be calling plays next year. Hope the new DC has more of a feel for calling the game. 
Braxton is a warrior and a great player, but he can't seem to execute the concepts necessary to run Urban/Herman's offense at an elite level -- incorrect reads, inconsistent with the screen passes, and too hesitant to take off and scramble. He'll take off to the NFL, because why would he stay and get beat up for another year? 
Ohio State in 2014 will turn the page to the second chapter of the Urban Meyer era -- with a roster loaded with his recruits, likely with new coordinators (Herman to Louisville makes a lot of sense). Good job, good effort, but the loss of Roby was too much to overcome tonight

WildBear Buckeye's picture

he can't seem to execute the concepts necessary to run Urban/Herman's offense at an elite level

I think this is the key. He's a spectacular athlete, but he's not a quarterback. At least not a good quarterback. He forces the coaches to simplify the playbook too much.

swainpm's picture

How can you say he is not a good qb? Look at his peers in the BIG, and the NCAA and you can't tell me you would take that many guys over him. Especially consider when he iscompared to the other dual threat guys out there. Either way I think alot of fans will learn to appreciate how good Miller was next year. After the beating he took tonight and the way he threw the ball (while hurt) I would be surprised to see him come back. Another season with a shoddier line protecting him and Meyer running him so much just seems alot to ask compared to the alternative. I would love to see him back but actually think his best option is heading to the draft to collect a check on what will probably be a short NFL career. Short bc a dual threat qb who runs like Brax will not have longevity. He could raise his NFL stock by returning but I think the hits he would take wouldn't be worth it. Either way I am thankful he is a Buckeye...he has been fun to watch.

SPreston2001's picture

I actually agree with WildBear. Brax is a awesome athlete but his arm just isnt where it needs to be. He doesnt go through his reads correctly, and most of his deep balls never hit the receivers in stride. They usually have to stop and adjust to the ball instead of the ball hitting them in stride. Luv the guy but lets be honest he's not the best passer...

4thandinches's picture

The problem is not his arm because he can throw a bullet 50 yards. The problem is his in his head. He just does not possess the mental aptitude to play QB. 

I wasn't born a Buckeye but I became one as fast as I could. 

DenBuck's picture

Brax is a Buckeye true and tried. He's a below average passer, takes too many sacks and sucks at the zone read. Hell of a runner. I feel that in some aspects, he holds the offense back by his inability as a passer. So many 2 and 3 star guys all over the country are far superior in their passing ability. Play calling was marginal. Hyde up the middle over and over. Need more creativity.  

Buckeye For Life

Actorjonnyb's picture

Roby pussied out tonight. He didn't want his draft status to take a hit guarding Watkins.

buckeyeinla

buckeyedude's picture

I agree with many of your points here, Ethan. I love Braxton, but the thing that burns me about him is that he ALWAYS "telegraphs" or "locks in" on his receivers. Did you notice all of the blocked passes by the Clemson D linemen? Its because they just read his eyes. He's very predictable. Early in the season against inferior competition I thought he finally got it. But as the season wore on, he resorted back to his old bad habits.
I still love Braxton, but his passing skills are so deficient. He's an an athlete playing QB. If he goes pro this year, he is going to really hurt his marketability.

 

 

Ethan's picture

No doubt -- the guy is a Buckeye through and through, and I'm a big fan, but given the riches at QB we've had in the previous years (Troy Smith and Pryor), I think Braxton got a label as a near perfect QB that he wasn't quite ready for. Predictable reads, inconsistent passing play, and a serious issue getting rid of the ball.
I think another year would help him to correct that (he improved so much from last year), but he really seems to be tired of getting banged up without getting paid for it.

ATXbucknut's picture

The long and short of this season.

+1 HS
Mute's picture

and also gave up 400+ in 4 other games
truly miserable to look at the stats for this year

+1 HS
Type G's picture

Where's the up-vote button? I wanna up-vote this 1000 times.

"No time for love, Doctah Jones!"

+1 HS
chemicalwaste's picture

Well playwd. I was busy thinking about how this is the worst defense in 20 years, if not more.that takes us to 93. I dont care about looking it up, but we're almost to Bruce era, then almost to Woody era. Thats a long time. Thats unacceptable.

rdubs's picture

People are going to bitch about the defense and Luke Fickell etc.  But when you turn the ball over 4 times you will not beat a good team 99% of the time.
Excited for the Spring Game!!!

smartfootballrankings's picture

When you play from behind, you have to go against your strength.

rdubs's picture

We weren't behind late until we started turning it over.  Could have kept with strengths until the last drive of game.

teddyballgame's picture

Well, that is just about the worst way I could have imagined ending the season.  Just awful play everywhere all night.  Sad really.

JakeStevensIsSwag's picture

we can make excuses about the interception all we want. Poor decision by Braxton. what, 4 turnovers? How can he think he's NFL ready?

Buckeye fan from PA

BuckeyeJosh's picture

I just hope he thinks he's NFL ready...ready for some JT Barrett.

"Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it."     -Woody Hayes

ToetotheFace's picture

Lets see what you're saying when Barnett gets rocked 15+ times in one game, if he ever starts.

DefendYoungstown's picture

I just hope he thinks he's NFL ready...ready for some JT Barrett.

Mr. BUCKEYEJOSH, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no UV's, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

Go1Bucks's picture

I blame this loss on 5 primary things:
We didn't show up on D until too late and CB coverage sucked
Meyer and Herman play calling suspect when really needed, especially on the last 2 drives.
Braxton for his ego not letting him tell Meyer that he couldn't get rotation in his shoulder and was forcing throws, especially the last intercept.
Meyer for not having the balls to pull Braxton out and put Guiton in when it was on the line.
Philly for a 16 pt swing in the score because he didnt have the brains to call fair catch (yes I know he made a mistake, but thats a biggie)
 
Season over, thank god.

Go Bucks!

FLAMikey's picture

That punt was 2 miles high.....can't imagine what Brown was thinking.

buckskin's picture

My eight and six year old boys got a very loud message on securing the ball before making a move.  A VERY loud one!!  (maybe laced with a four letter word or two).  I love Philly, but I always got a nervous feeling everytime he would catch a punt (yes, I know he returned a punt against Neb. last year).  The game was done right there and then.
 

bucknut3011's picture

And an offensive line that did not do it's job.  I'm pretty sure Beasley still does not know Jack's name.

740Bucks's picture

Not just Malone - but the whole O-line had a rough night lol

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DenBuck's picture

OL did look slow and lumbering compared to southern speed. It just did. Yes we are good against mediocre Midwest plodders like us but face it, Brax was buried all night and he's not smart enough to do anything except get sacked most of the time. 

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Knarcisi's picture

If Meyer will make no one accountable for this defense, then he is accountable. 

chemicalwaste's picture

I would love to upvote this 500 times

Knarcisi's picture

I'm a huge Meyer fan and somewhat of a defender, but it's time. That defense is inexcusable and embarrassing. Almost ashamed to be a Buckeye watching that garbage. 

chemicalwaste's picture

I wasnt saying can urban meyer, I just know something will change. Acountable or not UFM stays.

dlb72osu's picture

I believe it has been pointed out above...4 turnovers make it damn near impossible to win any game. You can keep harping on the defensive shortcomings but IMO this game came down to the turnovers and two horrific decisions by Philly Brown and Braxton Miller.
Inexcusable is a little harsh from where I watched. Short field defense is a tough task.

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chemicalwaste's picture

I have to disagree any time Clemson actually wanted to they could sscore. And they did. And any time any offense wanted to score this year, they did. They didnt all need turnovers. All they needed was the ball.

dlb72osu's picture

It wasn't quite that easy. They had 15 possessions, 6 td's. Got the ball 4 times on OSU side of the 50. OSU got the ball in Clemson territory once and proceeded to give it right back to them.
I don't disagree that it seemed like Clemson moved the ball freely (shit, just look at the yardage they piled up) but OSU played poorly on both sides of the ball. There's plenty of blame to go around, but let us not go there. This team is going to give us a lotta victories for many years. Let's enjoy the ride and not let the losses eat our souls. 

I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul.
- Invictus

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buckeyedude's picture

I get what your saying, DLB72OSU, but I am in no mood to look down the road a few years. I, like many Buckeye fans, am pissed the f*ck off. This game, much like the MSU game that OSU fought back from after being down by 17 points(against the nation's top defense), just CHOKED after having the lead.
Choke. That's what they did. Both the MSU game and the Orange Bowl were winnable games that OSU lead in the 4th qtr, and gave it away.
Maybe after signing day I'll start to look at next year, but I am pissed off and really disappointed in this Buckeye team.

 

 

Actorjonnyb's picture

me too times 1000

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OSU BUCkS's picture

Obviously the defense didn't play well but that's what is gonna happen when so many starters were out.

chemicalwaste's picture

They played all year. They sucked giant balls all year.

buckeyedood1987's picture

lol@ that, I couldn't disagree anymore. Sure they would have helped but still the unit as a whole is flawed beyond belief . Roby got fried during the season many times.  Far as Braxton goes, I wish he would leave, I'd rather see Barrett I bet he can throw better. All the excuses over and over

buckeyedood1987's picture

our defense is miserable and Braxton will never be a decent passer IMO. I see at least 4 losses next season. wonderful end to the season

chemicalwaste's picture

The only good out of the defense tonight was Vonn Bell saw the field and Joey Bosa is tough. On to other things. They cant fire enough ppeople from defense.

DenBuck's picture

I thought Jamal Marcus had his coming out party. He needs to start....

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chemicalwaste's picture

Youre right. He played tough. I somehow forgot about that.

buckeyedude's picture

Jamal Marcus played a damn good game. When Bosa was harrassing Boyd, Marcus was getting pressure from the other side. Very, very good game by Jamal. I was pleasantly surprised by his play. He prolly should have gotten much more playing time this year.

 

 

Michael's picture

On that last INT, he had Philly wide open if he threw it to the end zone rather than a dart over the middle.

Jonnferrell's picture

I don't think that he could physically throw it that far.  Really should have had Guiton in there.

"I miss Brady Hoke."

cjkanski's picture

As well as the one before that. Not sure if Braxton was physically able to or not, but had he put a little air under the ball that last pick could have been a game winning TD.

Firmthyfriendship's picture

WTF was that INT???!
 

BuckGnome's picture

He was wide open, after all.

wojodta's picture

probably too hurt

BuckGnome's picture

Thank you, Seniors.

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lax20's picture

This team blows.  Urban Meyer not the answer.  I have been watching Buckeye football since the late 60's and never has a defense looked this pathetic.  Meyer can sign all the 5 stars he wants, but they will be no stars with this coaching staff.  You can report all the great signings you want on this website, it means nothing.  The three studs from Glenville after tonite are headed elsewhere.  You want to play in the NFL, don't play for Meyer.  He does not make a pimple on Tressel's ass.

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ajg OSU 5's picture

Just sober up and take the night off from the keyboard.

Muck Fichigan

BrewstersMillions's picture

42-14 says otherwise.
Watching them since the 60's doesn't make you any more knowledgeable.  Thanks for the fan resume though.
Meyer has put more people into the NFL than almost any other coach in the game today.
 

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

lax20's picture

Name them pal!  Really who is playing in the NFL besides Alex Smith, Percy Harvin, Aaron Hernandez(prison) and Joe Haden.  Please enlighten me.  Look at Tressels NFL player resume!!!!

ajg OSU 5's picture

Twenty-six players selected in the NFL Draft, including a nation’s best nine in 2007 and 2009. Seven Gators have been first-round draft picks under Meyer and UF has had at least one first-round pick in each of the last four years. Overall, 50 Gators have signed NFL contracts under Meyer.
 
Straight from his bio as Florida coach. So there ya go 50 players signed NFL contracts under Urban Meyer so youre right he cant put players into the league

Muck Fichigan

poop's picture

Pouncy brothers, Jeff Demps, Will Hill, James Murphy, Carlos Dunlap, Riley Cooper, Brandon Spikes, etc

Knarcisi's picture

And don't bring that 42-14 shit in here. That was at UF, in his 2nd year. We want it here. And we're a far cry from being there. 

misterpants's picture

This is probably the youngest defense we've fielded since the late 60's. Compare this depth chart from last year's Michigan game:

http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/osu/graphics/pdf/m-footbl/2012-two-deep.pdf

... with the one from this year's Michigan game:
http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/osu/graphics/pdf/m-footbl/2013-two-deep.pdf
You can complain about coaching all you want, but you'll be hard pressed to find a dominant defense that's comprised of first and second-year players.

BuckeyeVet's picture

f...off , troll

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dlb72osu's picture

Why would you call him a troll and dv him? He is simply stating a documented fact and backing it up with the publication.
He is simply presenting an idea. Agree or not, I think the fuckoff statement is very unwarranted in this case. 

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- Invictus

dlb72osu's picture

Double entry

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BuckeyeVet's picture

@ DBL72OSU - I was responding to LAX20. Read his/her post above.

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."          - Groucho Marx

 

ToetotheFace's picture

I know, Tressel was genius coach who conquered all of our most talented foes, bow down to the unimaginable scope of his football brilliance.  
Emotional and Reasonless. Urban's record is far superior to Tressel's. Tressel was a great coach but he never had a truly dominate team. Imagine how many chance scenarios had to go right in 2002, even with a team that had excellent talent. The last years of his career were spent getting clobbered in the national championship twice then never reaching that stage again. Go watch another team.

buckeyedude's picture

If you're having trouble figuring out which guy in the room is the asshole LAX20, it's probably you.

 

 

Mikefletcher24's picture

Love this team...fuck michigan

Knarcisi's picture

And don't bring fuck Michigan in here either. They are pathetic, and do nothing to challenge us and get us ready. Beating them is not good enough anymore. 

Go1Bucks's picture

If anything, friggin _ichigan showed _SU and Clemson which plays worked well against our D.  Those screens and cross field passes killed us so very badly.  

Go Bucks!

GOOMBAY's picture

Let's try to develop a baseball mentality? What's next?

Jonnferrell's picture

You have to give the defense some credit.  They needed professional help from the offense to totally lose this game.  Muffed punt, interceptions at the most crucial times.  Sad to lose that game.

"I miss Brady Hoke."

chemicalwaste's picture

True enough. They didnt single handedly lose it. It took some help to Browns it up and lose a very winnable game.

joel121270's picture

I never bash these guys as they are kids but Philly Brown and his punt return spectacles finally bit him and effectively the team in the butt. I mean fair catch it, you are up by nine and moving the ball.
Better get that D fixed real quick.
Go Bucks

ToetotheFace's picture

Tough game, Clemson matched up perfectly to destroy OSU's defense already mired with injuries and flu. Terrible play calling on defense for much of the night, no coverage in the flats. Didn't like the offensive play calling at the end with Braxton brutally beaten up either. I'd like to see some changes made in the defensive coaching staff, the play calling has been brutal the last 3 games against teams that ran screens over and over......and over. Confident in Meyer and the correction of their problems for a run at a championship next year....have to make some adjustments with the staff in order to get some chemistry on the defensive side of the ball though for that to happen. Anything can happen in one game though, even Bama got destroyed by a Oklahoma team that looked awful earlier in the year.

dsbgobux's picture

Urban should never have left Braxton in. He couldn't throw the ball to save his life tonight. I am glad he thinks he has the tools for the NFL. 

Buckeye in PA purgatory

ToetotheFace's picture

No consideration for the fact that he got blown up like 19 times by the Clemson defensive line and most likely came in injured(saw he constantly shifting his shoulder, even earlier in the game)?

Go1Bucks's picture

That happened in the first or second series.  Meyer knew at the half.

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MVJ's picture

Prior to that last series, we were sure that Guitton would get the call on the last drive - similar to Purdue 2012. The fact that Meyer stuck with Braxton was surprising - especially because on the two plays we ran, Hyde wasn't in the backfield for either. Could it be that Meyer didn't want to pull Braxton in "primetime" for fear of embarrassing him, or not showing trust in his starter? Possibly pissing Braxton off and chancing his decision to return next year?

"You win with people "

DefendYoungstown's picture

Could it be that Meyer didn't want to pull Braxton in "primetime" for fear of embarrassing him, or not showing trust in his starter? Possibly pissing Braxton off and chancing his decision to return next year?

You hit the nail on the head, the inmates run the asylum...

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

andyb's picture

all you ever do is talk shit all fucking day...give it a rest man, Jesus. 

Jonnferrell's picture

I think Braxton was really hurting and it was impossible in the end.  Should have put Kenny G in.  Tough decision to make if you're a coach.

"I miss Brady Hoke."

HSBDAWG's picture

Was it just me or did the let the clock run out when it was 2 and long with 24 seconds left.
why did we give it up at the end when they kneeled on it it went to 3rd down call time and make them play the game out jjust do not mail it in.
 

cjkanski's picture

I was wondering the same thing. Looked like 2nd down with 2 timeouts left.

Josh P's picture

I just rewatched the end of the game to see exactly what happened and if they could have, and thats definitely the case.  If they had forced a punt, we would have it around our own 35-40 with no timeouts and about 20 seconds left... but why just walk off the field?  

longstb's picture

I will pose a question to the board.   What will it take to change the attitude and culture of this defense?  Is it just about players or does it start with coaching?  
It seems like there is good talent out there, but the performance has been lacking, especially over the last 4-5 games.  I don't get it??

BL

Go1Bucks's picture

Coaching issue.  We see it on tape, so do the coaches.  Have to coach like the players are pros.  Teach all pass coverage to look for the ball, we could have batted 3 and intercepted 2 if they would have just turned and looked.
 
Teach how to wrap up and tackle and not to overrun, basics

Go Bucks!

NoVA Buckeye's picture

At some point, the players need to come out and acknowledge that there are problems with this defense. We haven't seen that and it looks immature from a big perspective

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

Smithy's picture

Coaching and personnel. Can't fix personnel in a couple weeks. These young guys have athletic ability, just not the reactions. We'll be better. May take more than one year. 

GH_Lindsey's picture

I think it all comes from the coaches just based on the attitude that the players play with. We aren't an attacking defense anymore like we were under Heacock. We play to contain, not dominate. How often in the last two seasons have you seen a buckeye defender wait for the ball carrier to come to them instead of attacking and going after the guy. This attitude is a byproduct of this set of defensive coaches' mentality/philsophy.
 
We need to be dominant on both sides of the ball to be a championship team. We can't have a defense that plays not to lose, especially in big games.

buckeyedude's picture

Did anybody else notice that the OSU corners were lined up 8 to 10 yards off the LOS, again? When Boyd throws a screen pass to Watkins under those circumstances, it's a guaranteed 8 yards, and possibly more like 15 they way our corners can't tackle.

 

 

FROMTHE18's picture

Herman has been exposed the last two games. Not pissed, just thinking realistically. These swing passes work every so often, dont run them every other play. Took the ball out of Hyde's hands for the second straight game (weird how losses and doing that relate so closely to one another). No screens, nothing dynamic about the offense other than starring at the side line wondering "what other stupid call are we about to run". Our WRs are crap too right now. OL got owned horribly (reminded me of the 2007 National Title game against Florida). Clemson's DL is legit, but to look THAT bad was surprising. Watching the Cotton Bowl, and other bowls, you definitely realize how boring this offense is. Michigan State's Bollman lead offense is more desirable right now than Herman's. I really dont understand what the passing game is supposed to look like, and thats a big concern for me.
 
Defensively, they were who they are: shit. No improvement at all during the year. Thats on Fickell and the defensive assistants sure, but its also on Urban a bit. Its sad when the fans only want a top-100 defense at Ohio State. How many records were set against this defense? Geesh. 
 
In sum: good game from Clemson, surprised we were that close. Glad we didnt play in the National Title game. FSU would have put up 80 if they wanted. Good year though, cant complain too much when you beat Michigan. Just makes you think though, even though this team did win 24 in a row, is it that impressive considering how theyve looked vs legit competition? Great accomplishment, but its definitely been watered down for me in terms of the quality of the team in comparison to other top programs right now. So many questions to address this offseason. Lastly...my hats off to Braxton. Even though his passing was, for the most part, bad as it has been the last few games, he was a warrior tonight and gave it all. If he's gone, big thank you for all the memories. 
Fuck Fickell. Thats it. 

GOOMBAY's picture

Opportunistic or not, had the ball at midfield with a minute to go and time outs. Horribly inopportune turnover - let's not get too blame-y - ends game.
This is on Herman? Or the D?

FROMTHE18's picture

im speaking more from an opinion of the game as a whole. One could say that we should have never needed to be in that position had we played better. Situationally, that play is on the blocking and a bit on the play calling, but really its just one of those: shit happens plays.

D-Day0043's picture

Miller has absolutely no touch. His mechanics have regressed throughout the year. He simply isn't a good passer and he is exposed playing against good defenses. All you have to do is blitz him on third and long and he fails almost every time. 
Herman barely run Hyde out of the pistol all game, and the couple times he did, he ripped off good runs. And running that bubble screen to the short side of the field on the second to last drive was ignorant.
Clemson only runs about 15 plays and Fickell and company had a month to figure out how to stop them and they had absolutely no answer. They did not blitz one time. They just sat in soft coverage and let Clemson bubbles screen them to death. That is what Clemson does, it's no secret. You can tell by the motions and formations that they run what they are going to do. You can see it coming a mile away, and these guys have 24-7 to put together a gameplan and that was the best they could come up with.

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allbucksallthetime's picture

I am very proud of this team's accomplishments over the last two years.  A 24-2 record under any circumstance is nothing to feel badly about.
With that said, I put much more of the blame on the "O" side of the ball tonight and the play-calling from early in the second half on this loss.  tOSU ran the first 4 plays in the 2nd half for a 1st down and third and about a foot. Why in the hell is Hyde NOT carrying that 3rd down play and especially after converting 4th and short late in the half with Hyde carrying it???!!!  That is unbelievable but it isn't the first time (MSU) we have seen it.  
I also have not been thrilled with the development of the "O" during the second half of the year. About mid-year, I thought the "O" was coming around by throwing roll-outs on 1st down for between 6-10 yards and targeting the tight ends.  It did not last and the "O" became so much more predictable IMO.  Miller, Hyde, or Philly got the majority of plays directed their way and the playbook seemed to shrink rather than expand.
My rant is now over.  I love my Buckeyes and am very excited about next year.  Go Bucks!  

biggy84's picture

Worst tOSU defense ever! zero improvement in 2 years. 

BuckeyeWags's picture

Devin Smith's dick disappeared..again. Zach Smith is worthless. Fickell...needs to find another job.

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okiebuck's picture

You my friend are a no nothing moron.

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

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jaxbuckeye's picture

Headline SHOULD read: Ohio State failure to make adjustments results in Clemson running wild; Miller's pro prospects look bleak.

kdogg72's picture

The better team won. Better players, better quarterback. Michigan State exposed us. We were/are paper champions. Braxton gave us a chance but he is no where near nfl ready. Terelle was a better thrower with his awkward delivery. Defensively, well we are terrible. Is it coaching or is it players? Who knows? I look forward to next year, we know our flaws, so how do we address them.  To the long off season.........

chemicalwaste's picture

Bullshit. The better coaches won. If the defense stood a chance at sniffing Iowa's ass they would have won. But they are less than Indiana's second team defense.

WOLFofOHIO's picture

Seniors played their fucking asses off and I am going to she'd tears for them beacuse this was supposed to be their going out win...I can't say enough about how braxton played with toughness. But NOW I want someone's head because damn. Defense. Corey. Brown. This loss is ALLLLL divided on you guys.
But over all this fucking sucks and I hate it..cant get much more than that.

there is no greater joy than watching Michigan get slammed. in anything

Jonnferrell's picture

The defense didn't lose this game.  The offense lost this game.  Our offensive line was lackluster most of the game.  The offense was just as much at fault as the defense, including the coaches.  I appreciate the effort of the team, they gave a lot, but the mistakes were too much.  

"I miss Brady Hoke."

Knarcisi's picture

I think the defense had something to do with losing the game. 

GH_Lindsey's picture

I guess it's just that we never expected the defense to win this game for us, so the burden falls on the O

RedStorm45's picture

What a garbage game. Turnovers galore, usual porous defense, Hyde ran it TWICE IN THE FOURTH QUARTER AGAIN!!!! So frustrating to watch this crap the last two games.

rkylet83's picture

Our offensive line got their ass kicked for the first time I've seen in the Coach Meyer era.  I blame our offense more than our defense.  We got turnovers, and the offense messed it up.  Clemson deserved to win this game.  I'd like to hope we can win big games in the future but I'm not confident.  Braxton will be gone after this beating and I'm not sure we can be better next year.  What a let down...I feel like Alabama.

sandytowne's picture

Where is Braxton going exactly?  Because its not the NFL.  Not right now anyway.  
Offensive line had its worst game in the Urban Meyer era for sure.  However, the offense still managed 35 points.  You cannot expect to win when you give up close to 600 yards of offense and little pressure on the quarterback.  

okiebuck's picture

Canadian Football League; if he's lucky.

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

chemicalwaste's picture

Really? Check how many points the defense put up. And then the offense. And then who accounted for more points.

Type G's picture

I've been saying this to myself for a long time now, Urban should've never let Heacock go. I understand he wanted to get rid of all the Tressel guys and start with a clean slate, but putting Fickell as the head D coordinator was a mistake. Is this by far the worst Ohio State D ever? The eye test sure says so. Our D was always top 5-10 nationally... now it's at the bottom. Pathetic, hard to watch and beyond disappointing.

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faux_maestro's picture

Urbz didn't "let Heacock go", Jim Heacock retired. 

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Scott K's picture

It was the ghost of Woody knocking that LB around that made him bobble that last "interception"
 
I too was screaming at the screen.  Now I'm sure I'm in the doghouse with my wife...oh well.
 
Also, you see who missed his block that led to the fumble/interception?  Wilson.  Typical.
 
Great 2 year run Bucks.  Disappointing end to both seasons.
 
 
 

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

D-Day0043's picture

The officials reviewed everything under the sun tonight, and for some reason they didn't review a questionable game sealing play. Wow...

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VestedInterest's picture

Philly, Philly, Philly....
sorry bro, you get a lot of heat for this one.

Crumb's picture

Like the MSU game I think Carlos Hyde was the only one who left it all on the field... Gonna miss El Guapo.

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

Jonnferrell's picture

Like the MSU game I think Carlos Hyde was the only one who left it all on the field... Gonna miss El Guapo.

There were plenty that "left it all on the field." Joey Bosa was certainly one.  Philly Brown did--he tried his best to make up for muffing that punt.  Braxton Miller did, too.  They all did if you ask me. Certainly every senior did.  Just because we didn't win doesn't mean that players didn't give it everything they had.  

"I miss Brady Hoke."

Hovenaut's picture

So here we are.

We laughed, we cried. We watched them go for two, and fail.

Good season. Not going to lament over what might have been....because Ohio State has a fine future.

Had a blast the past few months, enjoyed the hell out of it all on the best fansite with the best fans.

Big thanks to the staff on all you folks have done, great work all around.

Here's to next year, see you all out there.

Go Buckeyes!

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ajg OSU 5's picture

Despite our defense looking shitty in just about everyway possible, im excited for Vonn Bell, Joey Bosa and Jamal Marcus. Those young guys made some good plays

Muck Fichigan

WildBear Buckeye's picture

Terrible loss, for all the reasons we feared going in - a helpless defense.
Why the bitching about Tom Herman? He does what he can with a quarterback who's really an ATH. He has an arm, but he can't make reads. You really think an OC hasn't heard of a screen pass? No, but he's had to simplify the passing concepts so much that there's nothing left.
But in the end it doesn't really matter because with this defense eking out a win over this Clemson team was about the ceiling for this OSU team anyway. Win or lose here, defense has to take huge strides to compete for the NC.
So tear into Philly Brown or Miller if it makes you feel better, but realize that none of that matters with this defense. There is a systemic problem and until it gets fixed OSU won't be in NC contention.

FLAMikey's picture

l Agree. I believe Herman's O would look much better if Miller could execute more than half of the pass plays in the playbook.

Brandon26841's picture

Yeah, I mean... there just isn't any way that Herman and Meyer really want to be this conservative on offense, is there? Can't be. I think a good bit of that is them protecting Miller / not feeling comfortable at all with him putting the ball in the air. I mean, I know I always have a really uneasy feeling every time I see him dropping back to pass.

cjkanski's picture

right, if only we had a QB on the team that had a better command of the play book so that our coaches weren't forced to play an injured Braxton...

SPreston2001's picture

Well im not sure. If you recall when Urban was in Florida with Tebow their offense wasnt filled with a bunch of fancy plays either. They just knew how to execute and had playmakers everywhere. Not to mention Tebow was a rock and could run over LB's...

BuckeyeChief's picture

BTW they f'ed up clock management. they coulda stopped it at the end.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

chemicalwaste's picture

Nothing like running out of time woth 2 timeouts.

Riggins's picture

I thought so too, but it was correctly pointed out to me that we only had one timeout. The graphic was wrong.

buckskin's picture

Great 2 year run.  24-2 is awesome, no matter the conference; BUT, someone fix this defense pronto.  Fickell, Coombs, whoever:  we have young raw talent in the secondary.  I have no idea how someone could watch Von Bell in practice and not put him in the game at all during the regular season.  IMO, horrible talent evaluation on the field for this guy.  He was quick, instinctive, quick in run support, and ACTUALLY TACKLED.  Makes me wonder about Apple, Conley, Burrows, and others; maybe they should have been on the field.  I will always love Fickell, but he has lost command on the sideline.  I hate to say it, but he looked lost tonight when the camera panned to him. 
Way to fight tonight Bucks! Almost had it in the end.  OH---
   

DefendYoungstown's picture

I have no idea how someone could watch Von Bell in practice and not put him in the game at all during the regular season. Makes me wonder about Apple, Conley, Burrows, and others; maybe they should have been on the field.

I agree with what this man has said, SMH...

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

Turban Meyer's picture

I cannot believe how far Devin Smith has regressed in 2 seasons. He's become useless. 

Buckidelphia's picture

12-2; disappointing season.  I'm spoiled. 

skid21's picture

When you consider who you beat vs. who you didn't it is very disappointing.

Smithy's picture

Agree. Can't believe we were in the NC discussion as long as we were. I know UFM isnt happy. We will get better. 

Blackbeards Delight's picture

Where was Shazier? Tackles 5 yards deep and getting dragged by receivers.
Where was the line on the quick pass blocking? You can't let the defender get his hands up aka go for the nuts.
Where did the page in the play book go with #34 getting the rock in the fourth quarter?
Where did every other receiver on the roster go?
 

Crunchy Peanut Butter Bitches.

- Me

 

wyatt's picture

Closer than I thought. Clemson stupid penalties kept the game interesting. 2-7 in bowl games...including Rutgers and Maryland

740Bucks's picture

Carlos Hyde MIA in the 4th Quarter... (i.e B1G Championship game) Philly Brown's TO changed EVERYTHING
Curious why that last INT wasn't reviewed... I guess I don't know the rule? Regardless... too many mistakes to win against a good team. 
Both Clemson WR's look like NFL'ers

"My idea of a good hit is when the guy wakes up on the sidelines with train whistles blowing in his head." - Jack Tatum

Go1Bucks's picture

it was reviewed, listen to the commentary-just not officially
 
 
...sorry to tell the truth, the announcers were talking about it.... thanks for the dv

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Turban Meyer's picture

I hate to say it, but he looked lost tonight when the camera panned to him.
 
That's just his head coach look. 

kdogg72's picture

I don't blame philly,our qb made more mistakes. Where are the silver bullets?

ajg OSU 5's picture

I don't blame Philly either for the muffed punt. He's proved all season that he shouldn't be back there receiving punts. I blame that one on the coaches for still sending him out there

Muck Fichigan

D-Day0043's picture

Yep. He's been flirting with disaster all season. I saw it coming a mile
away. Got too cocky trying to make a play.

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lsjSnail's picture

The previous punt, all anyone around me said was how he is going to screw up one tonight...and there it was.

bigbill992001's picture

I hold my breath every time i see him back there, I'm shouting "fair catch!"

SPreston2001's picture

Lol you know this is so funny because i've been telling my girlfriend about Philly fielding punts all season! Every time he fields a punt I hold my breath! He never looks completely comfortable fielding the ball. Its like he always bobbles the punt when he catches it. Guess it finally bit him in the ass...

skid21's picture

I think most of the nation knew this defense wasn't anywhere near NC quality before the last 3 games now I think Buckeye Nation has to accept it. Even with the injuries and suspensions there are no excuses. Record setting games for our opponents after making TTUN and MSU QBs look like Heisman candidates. PLEASE let there be some changes with the coaching staff.

Turban Meyer's picture

Not impressed at all with Dontre Wilson.  Dances all over and makes no one miss. 

DefendYoungstown's picture

I have to agree, he was all the hype in fall camp and when it came crunch time not much production.  Remember even before he took the field for the first time he guaranteed taking one to the house? Maybe the lesson is to let your play do the talking on the field.

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

poop's picture

Looks quick and shifty but not really that fast. Looks tentative too. Not that impressive unless we're playing Florida A&M.

Lumpy Rutherford's picture

Not pretty, but we will be ok. Urb is just now getting his recruits engaged, bossa is a beast. Vonn Bell will be a good one. Just get somebody else to run the defense.

airborne082385's picture

Good luck Braxton convincing an NFL GM to draft you.  Lacks durability I believe dating back to H.S. he has yet to stay healthy for the entirety of a season.  Second posseses no touch throws frozen ropes constantly & cannot throw wide receivers open very important attribute in the NFL when the passing lanes and windows are smaller.
 

NoVA Buckeye's picture

That shouldn't be a problem for him-- the Raiders, Jaguars, and Redskins still have picks

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

Travis's picture

You could see the momentum shift as soon as Philly muffed that punt and what's even worse... you could see that muff coming ALL NIGHT LONG.
 
Somehow, the defense put us in a position to make a game winning drive at the end and Braxton just did the unthinkable and somehow threw a pass straight to a linebacker, which would have ended up being very underthrown had said linebacker not been there.
 
This is going to sound VERY VERY bold, but I personally want Braxton to declare for the draft. He may have been banged up, but there were several times where he was pulling Jim Jackson-esque "injuries" and really he is just not a passer, he just isn't. 
 
Also, I think after the beating he took tonight and the comments he has given in days leading up to this, he may actually declare.

They need a 2 to tie, a 3 to win it; Sylvester for threeeee... OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH OHHHHHHHHHHH WITH FIVE POINT ONE TO GO!!!

saltybuck61's picture

I thought Miller played well tonight, and he did play tough all game. That probably doesn't happen last year. Last year's Miller may not have scored 20 points on the Clemson defense. He made strides this year, although that last pass was atrocious.
I think he will declare for the draft. I hope he doesn't, but you are right, his comments seem to be alluding to him declaring.

Travis's picture

I personally think otherwise about his toughness and his performance. 
 
This is just me and that's not saying you are wrong and I am right, just my opinion.

They need a 2 to tie, a 3 to win it; Sylvester for threeeee... OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH OHHHHHHHHHHH WITH FIVE POINT ONE TO GO!!!

saltybuck61's picture

No I completely understand the other side of the argument. I personally believe that he played well and showed toughness. However, I know that Braxton has had injury problems in the past, and he hasn't been the greatest of passers. He changed my mind tonight, but I do understand where you are coming from.

Smithy's picture

that last pass was atrocious.
 
i can can still see Brown catching it and trotting into the end zone. It looked like he just threw it to the wrong guy.

D-Day0043's picture

He didn't throw it high enough and the line backer jumped up and caught it. Miller had half a dozen passes batted down tonight. 

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bigbill992001's picture

So, who plays QB next yr?

okiebuck's picture

Hopefully JT

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

saltybuck61's picture

I am not angry at the defense. As shocking as it is, they played better tonight than they have played all year. They did this with a defense mostly composed of second stringers. I think that there definitely needs to be some changes, as an Ohio State defense should not give up 40 points. However, compared to the Michigan and Michigan State games, it was an improvement.
The stupid mistakes really frustrated me though. The obvious one was Philly Brown's muff. It is a shame that it had to happen to him, as he had a spectacular game otherwise. He was the only receiver who was really able to get open. The last pass for Braxton really frustrates me. He had Philly Brown wide open with nobody behind him. If he lofts it to him in stride, it is a touchdown, and we would be talking about an insane victory. 
Props to Miller besides the last throw though. Last year, Kenny G probably would have gotten more snaps in this game. He was tough as nails tonight.
Even though it was a sour ending, I am proud of what the team was able to accomplish. Good players are coming in, now we just need the scheme and the execution to go with it. I have high hopes for next year.

skid21's picture

an Ohio State defense should not give up 40 points. However, compared to the Michigan and Michigan State games, it was an improvement.

Wow. We don't expect much these days?

andretolstoy's picture

Why didn't we run wild on Clemson's defense? We certainly had the talent.
Once again, this isn't a loss than can be solely blamed on the Defense, but will end up being. I mean, are some of you guys completely dense, or are your just malicious? We were depleted on Defense during the season, we lost two more guys for this game. THERE ARE NO ADJUSTMENTS.
Not the greatest Defense we've had the last two years, but it's certainly not the entire problem with this team. Right now, Braxton's QB play is worse than our D.
Team chemistry and rhythm are just out of control. We seem to place more stock in uniforms than team discipline and leadership.
Until we've proven we can walk the walk, then we shouldn't be making commercials, letting ESPN run wild in our locker room, letting players wear Darth Vader masks, dressing up for Vegas...
 

DefendYoungstown's picture

We were depleted on Defense during the season, we lost two more guys for this game. THERE ARE NO ADJUSTMENTS.

We really lost one guy, Roby didn't perform anywhere near the same level he did last year.

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

ScarletNGrey01's picture

Fans from other teams will be reading these posts, and re-posting some of the more "over the top" and bandwagon variety.  It hurts when your team loses, but the bucks have come a long way from the 2011 season debacle, great recruits coming in, perhaps Miller will come back and have a good senior season ... let's not be afraid to voice our concerns but let's support our team.  Props to Clemson, an NFL-ready QB and WR with our depleted defense was just too much to overcome.  We got beat.  It sucks.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

ColoradoBuck's picture

This is exactly what I was dreading. This offseason will be absolutely insufferable with talk about how we don't belong with the elite. What we need: a competent DC. Not sure if it's Fickell or Withers' fault but with Withers gone I see no reason to make Fickell the full DC. And on offense, with the season on the line, we didn't run Hyde ONCE (talking about the first attempted game winning drive). Tom Herman may not be the genius we think he is. Hopefully these young guys we sign on defense can make plays the next couple years, or we may be in for more of the same. Also, Braxton would be foolish to go pro. What team would draft him remotely as QB? Admire him for playing hard through injury, but he's not ready for the league except for as an ATH. I hope we didn't pull a Mike Shanahan by letting him go back into the game with Kenny G on the sideline.
Clemson tried so hard to give us that game, and we blew it. Yeah that phantom pick on the last drive sucked but with all the mistakes Clemson made we shoulda been further ahead. If Clemson were more disciplined, they'd have probably beaten us by like 20+ points.
Still, 24-2 through 2 years is damn good. Let's hope that with his own players Urban can patch up that D and get us back into the nation's elites, because with that defense we just couldn't hang with a team like FSU.

740Bucks's picture

... still more fun than a bowl ban
 

"My idea of a good hit is when the guy wakes up on the sidelines with train whistles blowing in his head." - Jack Tatum

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

We madea lot of mistakes and i will be the first to state that.... But that was not an interception.

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Gametime's picture

One thing we're not going to do is blame this "tightness" in Braxton's shoulder for his poor throws all night.
Braxton hasn't progressed as passer, period. Completion percentage can easily be inflated by screens (which it has been all season, running screens to Philly.) 
The sad thing is that if Braxton knew how to put some damn touch on the ball, we score on that last play.
Philly had the safety beat on a double move over the middle and if Braxton puts some damn air on the ball, we complete an extremely improbable comeback.
Our DBs did as well as anyone dealing with Clemson's boys.
VERY proud of Vonn Bell & Tyvis Powell. They did excellent in their new positions. Doran Grant & Armani Reeves were right there with their guys, but have no ball awareness.
Shazier was ghost for most of the night. Jamal Marcus was great in spot duty. Joey Bosa is a WARRIOR. 
We have no intermediate or misdirection passing game - it's sad that every other good team we played did. Tom Herman - Urban Meyer...I'm honestly starting to believe Braxton's passing ability may be holding them back.
Hyde is that DUDE.
Good season if the glass is half full - Average if the glass is half empty.
Go Bucks.

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Go1Bucks's picture

tried to upvote, fat fingered, someone help out

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saltybuck61's picture

Reeves and Grant didn't turn around occasionally, but they did well. This was the only game this year where I was thoroughly impressed with the play of Reeves. If he can have his best game of the year against Sammy Watkins, I think he is heading in the right direction. 
I don't believe that Herman and Meyer are calling for intermediate passes as much as they should. When Miller is off of the play action, he was solid in this game. His short passing was fine, and would have been much better without about four deflections at the line of scrimmage. I think it is a play calling issue, but Braxton could certainly help the cause.

Turban Meyer's picture

Run a damn slant for crying out loud.

saltybuck61's picture

Amen. Would have helped us out a lot in my opinion.

Travis's picture

I just don't see how you can say Reeves and company played well when Watkins set his own personal and orange bowl record for reception yards.
 
Sure, Bell had an AMAZING interception, but other than that Barnett got the luckiest interception of the year and we got torched otherwise.

They need a 2 to tie, a 3 to win it; Sylvester for threeeee... OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH OHHHHHHHHHHH WITH FIVE POINT ONE TO GO!!!

Travis's picture

I just don't see how you can say Reeves and company played well when Watkins set his own personal and orange bowl record for reception yards.
 
Sure, Bell had an AMAZING interception, but other than that Barnett got the luckiest interception of the year and we got torched otherwise.

They need a 2 to tie, a 3 to win it; Sylvester for threeeee... OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH OHHHHHHHHHHH WITH FIVE POINT ONE TO GO!!!

cjkanski's picture

Got to say that half of Watkins yards were YAK After a 2 yard screen pass. Hard to put the blame on Reeves when his coach lines him up 10 yds. off the line.

Travis's picture

I agree with everything except the "Our DBs did as well as anyone dealing with Clemson's boys." 
 
Florida State kinda put the shut down on them.

They need a 2 to tie, a 3 to win it; Sylvester for threeeee... OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH OHHHHHHHHHHH WITH FIVE POINT ONE TO GO!!!

WildBear Buckeye's picture

Urban Meyer...I'm honestly starting to believe Braxton's passing ability may be holding them back.

Yep. I think this could have been a championship team with either a better defense or an offense that doesn't rely on QB draws or 20+ yard pass plays to pick up 3rd and 8, but not without both.

Smithy's picture

Our DBs did as well as anyone dealing with Clemson's boys.
 
you  didn't watch the Carolina game. 
 
 

okiebuck's picture

Joey Bosa and Jamal Marcus were the best guys on the field tonight on defense; future looks bright!

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

BuckeyeDynasty's picture

Well, thats a wrap, defense was suspect all year, and ended up costing us when it mattered most.
missing roby and spence just amplified something that was already a huge weakness, 12-2 is not the end of the world, but this shit sucks to be honest, hopefully with the linebackers we have coming in and the addition of a new Co-Def coordinator we can start to sure up these issues.

buckeye20's picture

Our defense is thin...injuries etc.  Tom Herman gags. He abandons the run. You have 6 minutes to go 75 yards and you have one of the best backs in the country that doesn't touch the football. How many carries for Hyde in the second half??? Tom Herman gets lost in his play chart of 1000 plays.  It isn't that hard.  Wear them out with Hyde. He has all winter to rest and get ready for draft. We did not coach well in the last three games, and we regressed.
Having said that, great run and let's regroup. 

OhioValley10's picture

I think that was the first time we have ever lost in our history when scoring 35 points or more. 

Knarcisi's picture

I believe you are correct. We're are you from in the valley?  I grew up in Shadyside, OH. 

ih8rolltyde's picture

279-1

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

HSBDAWG's picture

oh yes let talk the lack of DEFENSE 3 games in a row same play same thing happens TD. That to me falls on the lack of coaching. 3 throw back across your body tds cause we could not stay home really. I teach that to the kids i coach at 9 and 10 year old and my friends do the same with the younger kids. What makes it sad though that it happened in 3 games in a row. 

skid21's picture

I can understand the criticism Brax is getting but our O did score 35 frigging points. Our D OTOH gave up 40 on the way to allowing career days for some Clemson players. It isn't a joke any longer FIRE FICKELL.

FROMTHE18's picture

In response to some of the angry messages about Braxton. Sure he still has problems throwing. And, yes, I think when he was dinged Kenny should have been given a shot. But, he kept us in the game with his legs. Everyone take a deep breath. Auburn was horrendous last year and now look. Urban isnt an idiot. I expect changes to happen, and he will make a solid hire. Theres no chance in hell hes letting this defense look like this next year. Although I love Braxton for his play making skills, we really need a passing QB in this offense. Its nice to have the QB run threat, but the key is to get the ball quickly into playmakers hands (WRs, RBs, slot guys, TE, whatever) and create tempo. Braxton isnt the PERFECT fit for it IMO. For what we do have in Braxton, I felt Herman really put him in a terrible spot at times (5 step drops on 3rd and long when you know they are blitzing is stuff you learn not to do in middle school). Also, like I said in my above post, but Ill say more emphatically now that Ive thought more about it: HOW THE HELL DO YOU NOT GIVE HYDE THE DAMN BALL MORE. 

buckeye20's picture

That is coaching. Hyde is a guy that you ride. He will will you to victory. I am tired of hearing about Herman and his great offensive scheme. He gags. he gets lost in his play chart and forgets he has a stud back.  He forgets about his TEs and I am sick of this read option crap. How about a little I formation and run the ball down your throat???
12-2 isn't horrible. We scored 35 points and turned it over way too much and the Philly dropped punt was a killer. Our D sucks and we are fortunate to be where we are. We cannot stop the run and we are a lousy tackling defense.

Turban Meyer's picture

If Braxton decides to go pro, I'm sure he'll have a nice season on the Oakland Raiders practice squad. 

buckskin's picture

Can we find some receivers who will go up, get the ball at it's high point, catch it with both hands and come down with the ball secured on a consistent basis.  I know Braxton doesn't give them much of a chance because of his bullets, but Sammy wasn't the only one making PRO catches for them tonight.

OSUStu's picture

I hate having half of a great team.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

Buck Commander's picture

All I can Think of is all of the trailer parks in South Carolina Partying tonight Over their First ever BCS Bowl win......this is unexcusable and fuckin putrid sickening................   Ever ask yourself why this Fuckin Milky Licker is even Coaching our Defense? After this loss next year they will make sure we start out at #12or13 so being in the top 4 will be impossible........And old fuck face Mark May is laughing somewhere........shit

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southbuc's picture

Urban was out of coaching and had to assemble a staff from scratch. He made a two year commitment to his assistants.  Now we'll see 

Buckeyeneer's picture

Our D needs a lot of work. You can't be elite with such a middling defense. However, I'm nowhere near the ledge. We had two really good seasons under Meyer and I look forward to see what next year has in store.

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WC Buckeye's picture

What I didn't get was why - after Miller was repeatedly driven into the turf and injured, when he couldn't even lift his arm above his head to throw - Meyer didn't wave him off on the last possession, put Kenny G in the game, and have a legitimate shot at winning? That interception was SO poorly thrown, it was obvious that he shouldn't have been on the field.
Discuss.

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gneptuneproductions's picture

Why didn't Ohio State call timeouts after the sideline infraction thus giving them an oppertunity to force a punt.

buckeye20's picture

Also, Joey Bosa is one tough young man.  I think what it really comes down to is our defense. Who do our opponents fear?  We have a long way to go. We gave up a ton of points in the last three games and that just isn't good enough.
But just like anything else in life right now...we are spoiled. Fun game, but it might be the worst D we have had in years not counting 2011. We can't stop anyone and we tackle like you know what.
 

Bucks1's picture

Just weak! We don't do O or D...WEAK

"I will pound you and pound you until you quit." - Woody Hayes

Rizzoni's picture

I don't understand people complaining about the offense. It's all on the D. No offense can score consistently in 40s or 50s against good defenses. Urban Meyer's UF teams won many ugly defensive battles. Nick Saban's teams won many games where both teams would exchange field goals all day.
If D stinks, offense cannot make up for it. Scoring more points than the opponent does not always work. If you have an elite defense, scoring in 20s or 30s should be enough to win games.
 
 
 

Type G's picture

Agreed. A good to great D would've covered the few mistakes and bad play calls on offense (and special teams). Many teams would love to be able to put up 35 points. What do they say time and time again? Defense wins championships. Period.

Clemson doesn't have a world beater D, but compared to Ohio State's they looked sooooo much better. That's how terrible our D is.

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WarBuckeyes17's picture

Im just as upset and frustrated as you guys, although I like to take a more analytical approach to dealing with my pain and anguish.
What worked Offense :
Wide outside zone reads and zone fakes.
Philly Brown in the flat
Tight end PAP passes to Huerman
Carlos Hyde, Carlos Hyde…oh and umm Carlos Hyde

What didn't  Work Offense :
Inside zone runs, early in the game
Vertical passing game
Blitz pickup/recognition
Line of scrimmage adjustments
Braxton Millers inability to read defenses

What works Defense :
Von Bell
Joey Bosa
Jamal Marcus
What didn't work defense :
Most of the Secondary
Ryan Shazier
Camren Williams
Base zone coverages
Perimeter defense
bubble screen / flat defense
Tentative defensive play
Corner blitzes
Inside zone read recognition
Bradley Roby and his overall lack of toughness
Defenders is space
Tackling and lack of consistent edge pressure
Many highlights and many low lights, looking forward for our program to continue to grow. The future is bright.
 

If you are the big tree, we are the small axe - Bob Marley 
 

Kurt's picture

The defense by virtue of youth and injuries is at a junior varsity level.  This game was never going to be won by the D and we shouldn't be blaming the loss on it.
Urban and Herman really let us down with a flawed gameple to pound Hyde with 8 men in the box.  We wasted too many possessions with this 1.5 version of Tressel-ball.  Clemson knew it was coming.  We should have been throwing to set up the run!  When we tossed it downfield we torched the Clemson secondary.  But we never were committed to it.  I really think the offense was the problem in this game, the MSU game, an even in some victories this year (Wisconsin, Iowa...).  
The D will improve and gain experience.  I hope Urban and Herman realize they had a flawed offensive plan.

southbuc's picture

This was working in the second half until the muffed punt. Blaming the offense is ludicrous when the d gives up 600 yds.   With a decent defense this game isn't close and we probably score 50. Remember we were basically down 4 starters too plus bosa at half speed. 

Colby3333's picture

One of the sloppiest games I've ever watched.  Both teams have horrible team discipline. Penalty after penalty.  And they were actual penalties, not shit calls.  Both teams were horrible and it became obvious that the last quarterback to make a mistake would be defeated.  Both quarterbacks are sloppy and struggle when under pressure.  Braxton is very fortunate that the overwhelming majority of defenses he has faced suck.  But it sucks for all of us because we've now lost two in a row.

Rizzoni's picture

In the last two years, nearly every offense we faced broke some sort of record. Why every QB plays way beyond his average?

Doc's picture

572.  Total yards given up bye the defense. This is sickening. Luke Fickell and Coombs need to go, and go now. The defense is broken, and broken badly

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FROMTHE18's picture

coombs is a hell of an asset. How do people expect his CBs to play physical when they are 10 yards off the line. I think given a more aggressive scheme, they improve in man to man coverage and tackling. Soft zone is to blame. Also, Coombs brings energy, something this team badly needs at many times. 

Knarcisi's picture

I'd say he needs a lot more coaching on how to turn and play the ball. Poor technique. I'd throw lob drills all day every day until it was learned. 

Doc's picture

How can you say he's a hell of an asset?  Yelling and being a nut job on the sideline isn't a job keeper. Recruiting is fine, but you have to do something with the guys once they get to campus. Not turning your head on pass plays is coaching, poor tackling is coaching. Coombs can be replaced

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andretolstoy's picture

Until his backfield plays better, right now Coach Coombs just brings a loud mouth. And what team energy are you talking about? Did that defense look energized to you?
Schemes? We've always played off the ball at Ohio State, at least off and on. Even with our Silver Bullets. The difference between now and then? We actually had the team leadership, and the players to make stuff happen.
 

okiebuck's picture

I love you 18 but all Coombs does is jump around on the sidelines; he can't coach worth a lick; this ain't HS.

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

D-Day0043's picture

The corners just aren't good enough. Watch the Cincinnati Bengals defense. They play off like that, and they close fast. It is kind of like a quarterback being in the shotgun and having a better view to diagnose the opposing teams formation. 
That style is about reaction time. And our corners are too slow reacting. There are situations to use it and situations not to. The bucks just use it all of the time because they have no faith in their athletes and don't want to get beat deep.

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Turban Meyer's picture

This is a nitpick, but I don't understand not using the timeouts on defense earlier. Here's why:
Opposing offense owns the tempo of the game. You can't play hurry-up defense. Can't spike the ball on defense. Can't get out of bounds on defense.
On your own possession, you can play hurry up, call multiple plays going into a drive, and spike the ball.  On offense, the more time you have, the more time you have to develop plays and manage the rest of the clock. 
Again, doesn't matter with the game-ending INT, but still. 

2morrow's picture

I wondered the same thing too. Couldn't understand why we didn't take the timeout with around 2:25 left ( i think) we waited until 1:34 left.

buckeye20's picture

How about this? Roby declaring pro two weeks before the Michigan game? Have you ever heard of that? Go pro. 4 weeks after MSU and he can't play?  Really?

bigbill992001's picture

Our D is bullshit!   Urb has had 2 years to fix it and it still sucks.   Teams routinely put up 500 yds/35-40pts on us.   They make some GREAT plays, but give up way too many big plays(25+yds).   btw, 3rd and 1, why dont we give it to "the horse" we were gonna ride?

Travis's picture

2 years isn't long considering he came in so late for his first year and considering that his recruits aren't starting yet.

They need a 2 to tie, a 3 to win it; Sylvester for threeeee... OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH OHHHHHHHHHHH WITH FIVE POINT ONE TO GO!!!

Knarcisi's picture

As an aside, was that the most over officiated game you ever saw?  I think they got payed by the flag. 

Doc's picture

I need to go to bed. Maybe it will be better in the morning. This is going to be a long off season. Good night. 

"Say my name."

Turban Meyer's picture

At least it wasn't the Game or a National Championship.  No one really remembers Orange Bowl losses that much in the long run. 
Do you think Kansas State fans are still bummed about the 2004 Fiesta Bowl? 
 

BuckeyeChief's picture

I'm still bummed about 01 USC. And all "The Game" losses and Bowl losses in the 90's.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Smithy's picture

Most of the comments here relevant, but I'd rather be a Buckeye than a Clemson Tiger. Is there any doubt we will be better in a couple years?  Yes, a lot of mistakes.  It will be fixed.

Rizzoni's picture

I am afraid Meyer won't fire Fickell now. At this time of the year, Fickell won't find another opportunity, any opportunity. If Meyer were to fire Fickell, he would have done it after the MSU game. Also, firing a position coach at this stage can lead to de-commitments.
What Meyer can do is hire a real defensive coordinator (read: play caller) and quietly demote Fickell to co-defensive coordinator/assistant head coach/LB coach.

GOOMBAY's picture

They had the ball with just over a minute to go. With time outs.
Blaming D and Herman and anything before that minute is - literally - irrelevant.
Blaming Braxton is 50-50 because the post to Philly was there; then the zone LB dropped and snagged it.
Shitbird. No win tonight for our beloved Buckeyes. That's the end of the end of it. 

gunin2012's picture

Just a couple of comments then I will go to my cave until the spring game. Did anyone else feel that maybe on the last two series Kenny G might have been a better alternative? I just felt Braxton's throwing motion was off and he was pretty roughed up. Second, I feel like our D has all the talent but I really believe it's time to look at play calling and just simple coaching. Tackling was horrible and Watkins was running past on a simple play. He's a great player but we made him look invincible. Not disappointed because I don't think we are quite there yet and I can't complain about what we have going in C Bus! Have a great winter Go Bucks!!!

TrueBuck

Rizzoni's picture

I don't know; it's a tough one. In this situation, usually coaches look the player in the eye and ask him "can you do it." Without knowing what conversation happened on the sideline, it is difficult to say if we were better off with Kenny G.

weedle's picture

Honestly tonight was like seeing a rerun of the movie Dumb & Dumber, mistake after mistake & we simply made the last one. What really hurts though was I was jumping up & down (not a good idea when you are 67) in the family room when OK beat AL the othe rnight & wife thought I was nuts, but I said AL & the SEC has just been exposed as overrated...should have kept my mouth shut. This was a decent team, but not even close to being a great team.

Ken

NEBuckeye's picture

First post, but wanted to say that with all of the bad news this week and the things we saw against Illinois, Ttun, and MSU that I was really worried that this game could be an embarrassment.  The boys never gave up and left everything on the field.  I'm proud of them and they have nothing to be ashamed of, just some things to learn from. Clemson is a little bit ahead, it wasn't too long ago that they we're put to shame in the Orange Bowl and they grew from it.  Buckeyes will too, they have hearts of champions. Bosa was a warrior, Vonn Bell shows a lot of promise, Armani Reeves appears to have improved significantly (still room to improve but dude looked like a potential player in plays where he was completely absent in the past), and some promising recruits. I feel terrible for Philly.  You take away one mistake and he was a huge factor in OSU having a shot at a win. He'll have a hard time forgiving himself and did everything he could to make up for it. Yes I wanted more Guap in the 4th and yes I was calling for Guiton when Braxton clearly didn't belong in there at the end but I feel very good about where this team is headed compared to how I felt just 2.5 years ago. Go Bucks and I can't wait for next fall. 

Blackbeards Delight's picture

I'm feeling better now. Looking foreword to the young talent on this team develop, especially at the Defensive Coordinator position. I'm leaning for Miller to give the league a shot. I thank the young man and am happy for all he has given but I would kind of like to start developing a new QB. I think the O line will be fine, not like this year but solid.

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Nick_Satan's picture

Does any one have a link or know where I can hear the post game press conference from urban?

BuckWylde's picture

Interesting viewpoints & rationalizations abounding on the site. Mine is simple . . . if Urban doesn't at least fire Luke, then he's got to bear the blame himself for:
1) being badly out-coached on both sides of the ball, and forcing guys like Guiton & Hall to watch as an injured Braxton floundered-away their last college football game, because he's been deemed "our best player", no matter what physical condition he's in.
2) The 12 yard cushion playin', punk-style, pass defense that's been played here for the last 2 years, as well as Herman's "Olio (fake spread)Offense" that lacks totally in imagination, thus making it just a half-step better than Senator Tress's was.
When a guy makes 4+ million per year, and subjects Buckeye Nation to consecutive humiliations at the hands of coaches with names like Dabo, that use their players in schemes that cause wins, there must be accountability for such epic faliures of strategy & preparation on the part of our staff. 
This Orange 2014 Bowl has confirmed yet again,  that The B1G is largely comprised of over-hyped Otterbeins, and that the "Urban Legend" is exactly that!
The reason I've singled out poor Luke, is because I saw Withers' attacking-style Carolina defenses, which were nothing like the Pop Warner-esque crap that we have now. 
Philly's muff and Braxton's pick were more-so excuses than reasons for the loss.
It's time to put a product on the field that justifies all the money and balley-hoo that surrounds coach Meyer's brand.

BuckWylde

buckeye20's picture

Way too thin on D. How about  Boyd going right up the gut for a TD on first series?

scrotieMcboogerballs's picture

Philly lost this game. Plain and simple. Selfish and undisciplined. 

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buckeye20's picture

You're crazy. It was a bad mistake and it turned the tide, but seriously? Our D sucks dude.  Not enough horses. You are blaming Philly? Come on. you are an asshole.

SPreston2001's picture

Sure the Philly muff was bad and crucial but outside of that one play he stepped up. Besides even after that muffed punt we still had a chance to win the game so I'm really not sure how you can put all the blame on him....

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I may be the only one to say this - but FUCK you Braxton - you played not to get hurt tonight so you could enter the NFL draft... it would have been a lock to win this game had you told Urban your intentions and he started Kenny G... I sat there with 30 other alumni and they all said the same thing - you played disgraceful tonight.... 
The defense play well enough to win and you and you alone fucked it up!!!!

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buckeye20's picture

D gave up 40 dude. Sorry. Not good enough.

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

The defense made enough stops to enable the OSU offense to win the game and Braxton and company failed to take advantage of that... it was the offense that lost this game tonight... not the defense...

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BoFuquel's picture

The only meaningful statistic is the number of wins; 12-2 on to the next one. It's basketball season. GO BUCKS!

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

Mute's picture

Clemson just got 10 more yards on a screen
so did Michigan
so did Michigan State
so did Indiana
so did Northwestern
so did Cal

Turban Meyer's picture

How would you defend that play?  I'm being serious. I'm trying to see if you play up does Watkins blow by the CB on a double-move and go all the way, or do you play it like they have and try to keep the ball and player in front of you?
I don't honestly think the DBs are good enough right now to play up on those calls, especially with extra blockers. 

D-Day0043's picture

Clemson runs about 15 different plays and most of them are jet sweeps and bubble screens. They fake the jet on play action. They have no running back. The only thing they run up the middle is Boyd, everything else is to the edge. The only two deep throws they use are the post and the go.
To defend this you use a press two man under with two deep safeties to guard the deep post or go. Your corners should be around five yards off the receiver so they are close enough to react and not too close to get sucked in. 90% of Clemson's passes are 10 yards or under. Playing off against them is ignorant. Make them beet you deep. The deep ball is a low percentage pass. You may give up a couple, but they are going to miss more than they hit. Just make sure your safeties stay home.
for whatever reason the Buckeyes seem to never use a double A gap blitz or a A gap line backer stunt blitz. Teams hate getting pressure up the middle. We choose to overload a side and declare what we are going to do. A good quarterback simply throws a hot route right over their head. If we would actually disguise our blitzes to confuse the quarterback, we could make up for our lack of talent with schematics. That crap they are putting on the field wouldn't confuse most good high school quarterbacks. 

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DefendYoungstown's picture

Why do you understand what's wrong and how to fix it but our coaches don't?  Please send your resume and cover letter to the following:  
Ohio State Athletics, Fawcett Center
2400 Olentangy River Road
Columbus, OH 43210
They have no clue who I am but I'll be sure to put in a good word for you. Once you get the job I expect nothing less than prime tickets to any game I want and 8.25% of your salary.

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

D-Day0043's picture

That is the sickening part, I can sit here at home and watch the game and know what Clemson was going to do 75% of the time. Our staff that gets paid big money and has 24-7 to work on a game plan to counter looked absolutely lost. Clemson did absolutely NOTHING that they haven't shown all year. I have absolutely no idea what the defensive staff has done to prepare this past month. Their game plan was literally every thing you SHOULDN'T do. I am completely baffled. 

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ToTheHouse's picture

@ Travis: "2 years isn't long considering he came in so late for his first year and considering that his recruits aren't starting yet." 
Yes very true, but Urb took the defensive-reins last year by switching a fullback to a LB. Why didn't he make any kind of move somewhere on either side long before the mid-season gaffs came about this year ? 
K. G. proved in one game last yr. & 3 games this yr. he was TOTALLY able to come in for Brax but an Orange-size injury isn't enough proof for a COACHING adjustment ? C'mon.
Love, love, love these kidz hearts...some boys became men out there last night ! We're behind you ALL...GO BUCKS !
 

buckeye20's picture

You know what? I am sick of idiot people. I'm sick of our society. College kids who played hard who maybe didn't have enough to get a W. We played hard and just couldn't get it done. We need a better D to be at the very top and we are not there yet. People laming Philly and Braxton??? Our D just isn't good enough. Over 500 yards given up and 40 pts...they deserve to lose the game.  

pig4skin's picture

The defense performed about as expected...still can't cover and opposing quarterbacks and receivers always have career best games against us.  The offense however was a bit of a disappointment. I expected more from Meyer and mensa Herman.  I'm just a couch potato fan but it seems to me that everyone knew going into this game that Clemson was going to focus on stopping the run and dare BM to be a quarterback.  I don't recall BM ever throwing for more than 250 yards in any game. I really thought they would have been practicing more on the vertical game than revert back to the 3 yars/cloud of dust philosophy and not utilize other offensive weapons that are available. No imagination and no back up plan or ability to adapt. Just don't feel optimistic about our chances for improvement unless there is an overhaul in our coaching philosophy. We should be doing much better with the recruiting talent that is brought in every year.  It makes you really appreciate Dantonio for producing such a dominant TEAM with 2/3/4 star level talent.

As much as I like Urban, his coaching left a lot to be desired in the Wisconsin game. W had a game plan to shut down Miller, thereby 70% of the offense, by assignment defensive personnel on him throughout the game. OSU should have made them p

Balkestud's picture

a few questions
1) how do u let the teams best player run free all game without a safety over him at all times?
2) how could cj barnett be out of position on every single pass play?
3) why did we not make any adjustments on their screen game? ever?
4) how is it a true freshmen finally gets to play, when he was are best db all night? where was vonn, cam, gareon and apple all year?
5) why is it that a 5th year senior does not call for a fair catch on a pooch punt with guys bearing down on him? good riddance soft philly?
6) is it me or did our defense look confused on every play? we looked like the dumbest team in the history of TOSU tonight.
Only thing I can figure was that Urban knew this was the only way he could get rid of Fickell and get his own guy in here next year. we looked like a pop warner team tonight. my only ever time of being embarrassed to be a buckeye
 

It gets kind of rough in the back of my limousine,

 

 

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I'll get a ton of down votes for this but I could care less.... Braxton decided to jump to the NFL and played to protect that decision.  FUCK YOU Braxton for the pathetic way you played tonight at the expense of Ohio State!!!! Besides the idiotic mistake Philly Brown made - you, and you alone were the major reason we lost... enjoy your NFL career Braxton!!!

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okiebuck's picture

Wow Zona; I too thought Braxton played terrible but not sure I could give him the F Bomb. He didn't have a lot of help, especially from the OL.

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

Michael's picture

Yes, Braxton most definitely took all those hits tonight to protect his NFL future. Everyone knows that getting injured improves your draft stock!

SPreston2001's picture

Yeah that really doesn't make sense dude. Braxton got blasted all night so I'm really not sure how you can say he was playing not to get injured. If he were running around sliding and throwing the ball away every chance he got then I could see your point. But seeing him take hit after hit doesn't look like sum1 playing to not get injured and protect their NFL stock. That just doesn't make sense...

BamaBuckeye144's picture

The silver lining in all this is that after such shot performances this year, changes must be coming. Just must be. Which means were on the road to recovery. Get us a stout defense with Meyers offense and were golden. But today, were on the road to recovery. 
if Meyer doesn't make changes, well, I just hope that doesn't happen. 

OH-IO!

gunin2012's picture

Just curious how many people on here actually have played football or coached it? It's sad to read some of these comments about who we blame for a loss. We win as a team and lose as a team! That goes from the coaching staff all the way thru the players. I for one am a real Buckeye fan as many of you here are but to hear some of the disgraceful comments on here makes me sick. I am damn proud of this team and damn proud to be a Buckeye. Thanks for another awesome year and many more to come. Wouldn't trade this staff for the world!!! GO BUCKS!!!!!!

TrueBuck

Balkestud's picture

So if you played or coached why don't you answer my questions? It is not like the better team won, not even close. So teach me O' wise, warm and fuzzy one

It gets kind of rough in the back of my limousine,

 

 

okiebuck's picture

Very disappointed; we had this game, just didn't seal the deal. Yes the Philly fumbled punt cost us big time, but we had the ball with time on the clock to win it but Braxton/Herman could not execute and get it done .

"Fate has cards that it don't want to show"

Persian Eagle's picture

I guess I was right about our offense after all?!?
 
"Thoughts on Ohio States Offense?
The Northwestern game has me wondering if are Offense, Offensive coordinator and play design are all that its cracked up to be.
I think Tom Herman might be a tad over rated."
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/football/2013/10/ohio-state-offense-...
 
Go Bucks!!
 

"There's nothing in the desert and No man needs nothing."
 

Arizona_Buckeye's picture

FUCK Braxton - he has made his decision and played like it tonight!!!  You should have had the balls and guts to walk into Urban's office and let him know you were leaving... instead, you vomited out this piece of shit tonight!!! I have never seen a QB more intent on protecting himself for the NFL draft opposed to representing his university!!!  I used to be a HUGE fan but now - FUCK you Braxton!!!!

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DefendYoungstown's picture

Are you sure you're not referring to Bradley "Prima Donna" Roby?????

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

Eph97's picture

Mr. Mensa left a lot to be desired with his playcalling the entire season. Basic spread offense with power running. Did not see anything truly innovative like spread genius Chip Kelly brought to the game. Braxton Miller simply cannot read defenses and go through his progressions. I feel we win both the MSU and Clemson games with Kenny Guiton starting. I will take an accurate passer who can scramble over a runner who can't throw every day.
As for the defense, if Fickell and Coombs are not given walking papers after the debacle of the last 3 games in which OSU gave up over 1100(!) yards, they never will.
The next few weeks will tell if we have the Urban Meyer of old, with the all-consuming desire to win, or the new-age Urban Meyer who signs contracts with his kids promising not to work too hard.
If the status quo remains, the only way we will win national titles is we out-talent everyone by a large margin. The sad thing was that this 24-2 run means nothing. No B1G titles, and No BCS wins, and most importantly no national respect. Once again we lost to a Southern team.
One last thing, I am convinced Roby could have played but didn't want to risk getting exposed against Watkins (like he most surely would have). Don't give me any bs about injuries since he had almost a month to heal since the MSU game and he actually went back in that game. Friggin' Emmit Smith once played a game with a separated shoulder. Roby's head was not in the game the whole season as he had regrets about not jumping into the draft last season. I don't want Braxton Miller back regardless, but most certainly don't if he is going to pull a Roby next season.

AngryWoody's picture

So much to say but have to wait until not so drunk and sad -_-

Our Honor Defend!

BuckeyeChief's picture

No F'in way we get in the playoffs next year unless everyone else has 2 loses.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Bamabucknut's picture

How do you win football games allowing each team you play to set scoring and yardage records ?
We have lost to two teams NOT ranked in the top 10.
Urban said...you win/lose  with personnel.....coaching..and play calling.
TWO of those fall squarely on our defensive coaches.
This trend of allowing an inordinate amount of points has continued for the last 3 years.
How many more dots do we need to understand the picture we are looking at ?

D-Day0043's picture

My biggest question about this team is, where was the leadership? Didn't seem like we had guys step up like we did last year.
It's going to be a long offseason......

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seafus26's picture

If your QB is normally limited to not taking top of D when healthy and late in first half becomes limited, and as hits accumulated play calling became limited to nothing down field as game went on. I figure we weren't the only ones to notice. On a crisp day Braxton gets nod over Kenny due to athleticism, but knowledge of game, accuracy and anticipation of receiver openings, not even close. If Braxton is wounded, no Kenny? On Brax best day he can't play catch and the ball not hit the ground less than Kenny

Go Bucks and michigan STILL SUCKS!

Buckeyeinsc's picture

Best part about it is living in the south is listening to the usual comments about how ohio state puts the o in choke and blow. Clemsux is a joke down here and they embarrassed us. Therefore I am willing to offer my defensive coordinating talents to the ohio state university. Be ready for the 3-3-5 my friends and Marcus at mike

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justanotherbuckeye22's picture

Good  run really looking forward to this years incoming freshmen.
Cameron Johnston 5 punts  48 avg 3 inside  20 long of  63.
Looking forward to Mondays high of  minus  10.

bhardy22132's picture

Wow. Reading a lot of these comments has made me so embarrassed to calls myself a fan of the ohio state university. About 90% of you that are making these crazy remarks are probably the same ones who type "stay classy Bama". A lot of you act just as ridiculous as them and it's kinda sickening to see the comments being spewed on here. 
The result wasn't what any of us wanted but that game was exciting as hell from start to finish. Those guys def. put it all out there and even though the defense got torched pretty bad, there were some plays that showed me that these young defenders when they step on that field next year are gonna be pretty damn special. 
Take our lumps and move on nothing can be done about it now on to next season. Go buckeyes!

Rjpfish2's picture

How many times did Marcus Hall get toasted? I counted at least 2 times he barely touched his assigned man. Where was Pat?

harleymanjax's picture

My fellow Buckeye fans, the sky is not falling, the future of Buckeye football looks bright, when you think back to 2011 and realize how far we have come since then there Is nothing to be ashamed of!
We are living in an amazing era of Buckeye football that should be appreciated, things could be much worse, you could be a M*chigan fan!
 
 
 
 
 
 

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

Knarcisi's picture

We should be careful making fun of Georgia, Oregon, and Clemson. I think we'll take the next step, but that's exactly who we are right now, at best. 

Turban Meyer's picture

Nah. Georgia is Michigan. 

Buckeyejason's picture

By Gosh. WE'RE OREGON NOW!

BUCKEYES BABY!

Right Again's picture

Let's not totally lose perspective here...
Rough ending to the year for sure, but I for one am confident this program is in the right hands and is headed in the right direction.  I am looking forward to 2014!  Great talent coming to OSU and I know Urbs is not content with where we are relative to where we should be.
The sun came up today and the team will be better next year.  Things could be a lot worse than losing 2 games in 2 years...

Him1stftballl8er's picture

• Turnovers killed us. If anything to blame its us giving Boyd/Watkins the ball 4 times. 
• We can't blame the defense because they made enough plays to give our offense a chance to win. Our Oline didn't play their best, Braxton was beat up, a lot of offensive miscues. 
• Can't put all the blame on the offense; the lack of defensive adjustments was a factor. Hard to make adjustments considering how beat up we were on defense. But still, we didn't see Shazier, our best blitzer, doing that at all. Not that I remember. They exposed our soft coverage and underneaths all night long. 
• Can't put all the blame on the coaches, Philly's muff was huge, Braxton had some bad reads and 3 TO's, ...the players played the game. 
• Can't blame the players completely either. Obviously some play calls on both sides of the ball the coaches would like to have back. 
 
Overall these coaches and players put so much into these games and seasons and while we all expected more I'm still grateful to have Urban as our coach and I'm proud of the players too. 
 
GO BUCKS
 

The wise shall inherit glory, but shame shall be the promotion of fools.