Buckeyes Still Third in BCS; Baylor in Hot Pursuit

By Kyle Rowland on November 17, 2013 at 8:32p
Eyes on the prize, gents.
1 Alabama .991
2 Florida State .946
3 Ohio State .887
4 Baylor .886
5 Oregon .792
6 Auburn .786
7 Clemson .768
8 Missouri .723
9 Stanford .624
10 Oklahoma State .589

Sunday morning began with a thud in Columbus. Ohio State dropped to fourth in the AP Top 25, perhaps signaling a succession of falls resulting in a fourth-place ranking in the newly released BCS standings. Storms brewed all afternoon and evening, but instead of following suit, the Coaches and Harris Poll voters kept the Buckeyes third, the same location as the BCS.

Alabama is No. 1, followed by Florida State, Ohio State and Baylor. The Buckeyes’ lead on the hard-charging Bears is just one thousandth of a point. Ohio State owns an average computer rating of four, Baylor’s is five.

After Stanford beat Oregon last week, there was chatter about the Buckeyes being in danger of Stanford passing them. But USC took care of that possibility by defeating the Cardinal Saturday night. Stanford plummeted to ninth in the BCS.

For Ohio State, the task has not changed since the first standings were released in October: win and root for chaos in Tuscaloosa and/or Tallahassee. Taking notice of the events in Waco has now become a weekly routine.

Baylor is the nation’s highest-scoring team that also located a respectable defense. But the Bears must travel to No. 10 Oklahoma State this Saturday, a game that will garner a high TV rating from Columbus, Dayton, Cleveland and other Ohio cities. A Baylor victory will almost certainly allow them to leapfrog Ohio State. In the Coaches and Harris Polls, the Buckeyes' advantage on Baylor is 18 and 32 points, respectively. 

The Big Ten has been maligned for nearly a decade now. However, in a season where the mighty SEC’s depth has been exposed, its Midwestern colleague is showing signs of life. Michigan State, ranked 13th, continues its rise and Wisconsin is No. 19.

Fresno State remains in the catbird seat for a non-automatic qualifier berth in the BCS. The Bulldogs are 15th, three spots clear of Central Florida. Northern Illinois is ranked 16th.

The BCS top 10 after week 13.

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Deadly Nuts's picture

Stanford still top 10....


BassDropper's picture

Flawed system


Timmeh's picture

Wow... Barely...

Mute's picture

Oklahoma State has to win. Anyone who thinks Baylor won't jump OSU with a win is completely delusional at this point

UrbzRenewal's picture

Confused about this comment @JustAnother. The content on http://www.bcsfootball.org/ is distributed by ESPN's CDN. 

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opus's picture

ESPN being very fair to the Buckeyes, IMO.

Maffro's picture

Yeah, I agreed with almost everything the guys said there.

741's picture

On to the next one.

DefendOhio's picture

Winning by 25 and scoring 60 isn't enough I guess. 

BassDropper's picture

Herby made a good point. MSU and Wisconsin will really help the Buckeyes.


otrain2416's picture

Just keep winning

We were born to love Ohio State and hate that team up north.

kareemabduljacobb's picture

Minny getting some love at #25. That'll look like a good win for Wisky then MSU in the next couple weeks.

KLF Buckeye's picture

Fair presentation by ESPN overall, minus Pollack's weak attempt at saying OSU is living on a brand.
Feeling confident if our guys win the next three, we are right where we need to be.

Hovenaut's picture

"Living off a brand"

David Pollack, boys and girls.

Now tell me about the rich history that is Baylor football.

Jonnferrell's picture

What good is a brand if you can't benefit from it?  Ask Notre Dame--now THAT'S living off a brand.

"I miss Brady Hoke."

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

The first thing that popped in my head was "...but they're still an SEC team", but it's hard to beat the ND example.

Brutus's picture

He's right.  We are living off a brand.  That brand is B1G football and we've been reminded all season just how much that brand sucks.  It's pretty duplicitous for anyone in the media to claim that we're somehow benefiting from the brand they constantly bash.

LouGroza's picture

I listened to guys on TV today talk about how Baylor did its thing yesterday "even with some starters not playing" and they were very impressed with that. They then talked down about OSU defense giving up 35 to Illinois with absolutely no mention of missing two starting linebackers. Imagine that? Something is very wrong here, I thought... Then the very next commercial I saw on TV was for everyone to watch "The SEC on ESPN in 2014". Yep.

rock flag and eagle's picture

I think the difference is that OSU was missing starters on defense and their defense struggled because of it.
Baylor, on the other hand, was missing their starting RB and WR and their offense did NOT struggle because of it.  They did what they always do, scoring over 60 points and amassing almost 700 yards. 
When the announcers said Baylor was impressive, I believe they meant that Baylor's offense did not miss a beat even down a few starters.  OSU was missing players and their defense looked really shaky. 
Another way of saying it is that the commentators were impressed with Baylor's depth.  Since they talked down about OSU's defensive performance, I think it's safe to say they were not impressed with OSU's depth. 

Spider1944's picture

I don't watch ESPiN as much anymore. How about Fox? Didn't they enter the NCAA  frey? Are they unbiased?

"There are 3 things that can happen and 2 of them are bad" - the Curse of Woody Hayes

HotSauceCommittee's picture

Stanford lost to Utah and a joke of a USC team and remain in top 10. Seriously?

BROSEPH's picture

I agree that Stanford shouldn't be top 10, more like 13-16, but USC is definitely not a joke.  That showed how dysfunctional the team was under Kiffin even with top 20 talent in the nation.  Orgeron has lit a fire under the team and they are playing like their capable of. 

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

Losing to ND, and nearly losing to Arizona is what they're capable of?

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

Mute's picture

Also what the FUCK is with Stanford
I've never seen the computers raise up a team so irrationally
They are barely a top 15 team

bucked up's picture

It's been said before, but this really shows how disgraceful the rest of the B1G is. The fact that an undefeated Baylor can be held in higher regard than an undefeated OSU is mind-boggling. I hope Urban and Gene rip into these other schools during the offseason meetings

Seattle Linga's picture

Agreed and they did just that in the offseason however you have to "break bread" with them at times and I think he does a very good job walking that fine line without outwardly insulting.  

740buckeye's picture

BCS Poll.
I'm not sure Alabama wins out this season after struggling overcoming adversity against Mississippi State.
A Baylor loss is all but guaranteed, because they're Baylor.
So it seems most likely that FSU and tOSU should meet for the big game, but at this point I'm beginning to question whether any win against any team by any amount of points will change the national narrative against us, so in that case, let's just beat every single team we face style points or not and enjoy this memorable stretch by our Buckeyes while Mark May cringes harder than when his women's underwear agitates his hemorrhoid problem.

KLF Buckeye's picture

To be fair, all of Mississippi's losses are to teams currently ranked 22 or higher in the BCS. Hell, Mississippi State might be better than Stanford.

740buckeye's picture

but, Stanford hasn't lost a game this year when they've played "Stanford" football, they should be top two right now, it's a shame!

Spider1944's picture

To be fair Braxton Miller had his play "Stanford football" game Saturday against the Illini. 

"There are 3 things that can happen and 2 of them are bad" - the Curse of Woody Hayes

kareemabduljacobb's picture

Eh, I'd say it was vs NW.

SPreston2001's picture

Lol are you serious??? Miss St is 4-6!! 1-5 in the SEC!! No way they are remotely close to being better than Stanford! Stanford sort of reminds me of Wisky. A solid hard nosed football team thats gonna play you tough every week. They usually have a few slip ups every year but still a SOLID ball club...

kareemabduljacobb's picture

Eh, Bama was coming off a big game vs LSU. A bit of a let down. We had ours vs NW which MIss St is pry better but not by much, but is also a tougher place to play than @ NW.

justanotherbuckeye22's picture

Be glad to get rid of  massie for one he  has  stanford  3rd  they lost.
Matrix  site not updated yet.

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Ken Massey has Stanford ranked 7th, Auburn is 3rd (Colley & Wolfe also have them 3rd).

BtownBuckeye's picture

The real crime is Bama being ranked ahead of Florida State.

RedStorm45's picture

If pollsters thought Baylor was more impressive than OSU, that same logic says FSU is better than Bama. It's ridiculous.

BtownBuckeye's picture

That's what I've been saying, last year doesn't matter, unless your Bama then all you have to do is win. Ohio State? Nah you have to win 70-0 every game. Then you get crammed for having a shitty strength of schedule. It's a real lose, lose situation.

Spider1944's picture

That certainly seems to be trending that way. Be curious to see point spread if they meet. Of course point spread is based on perception so I would expect Bama to be favored. 

"There are 3 things that can happen and 2 of them are bad" - the Curse of Woody Hayes

Kurt's picture

All respect to Briles and Baylor.  I'm very intrigued to see how they perform on a big national stage Saturday night against a formidable team.  It's only 2 weeks since Oregon performed to poorly for 3-1/2 quarters on a similar stage.

kareemabduljacobb's picture

Who cares about Stanford. Interesting Brad Edwards thinks the Orange bowl will select either MSU or Wisconsin.

RedStorm45's picture

The Big Ten has been maligned for nearly a decade now

Not really. Pretty well respected in '05 and '06 at least.

740buckeye's picture

'05 was almost 9 years ago!

Scott's picture

And the B1G won both the Rose Bowl and Orange Bowl in 2009.

Class of 2008

WildBear Buckeye's picture

This came up in another thread too. The top four B1G teams won their respective bowls in the 2009/2010 bowl season. At the start of the 2010 regular season they were ranked as follows:
Ohio State (beat Oregon in 2010 Rose Bowl) started the 2010 season ranked #2, then moved up to #1 (then lost to Wisconsin). Iowa (beat Georgia Tech in 2010 Orange Bowl) started the 2010 season ranked #9. Penn State (beat LSU in 2010 Capital One Bowl) started the 2010 season ranked #14. Wisconsin (beat Miami in Champs Sports Bowl) started the 2010 season ranked #12.
That doesn't strike me as insufficient respect. Then Iowa and Penn State each went on to lose five regular season games. Penn State lost in the Outback Bowl to Florida. Penn State was unranked in the 2011 preseason poll, Iowa was unranked. Wisconsin had an 11-1 regular season, but lost the Rose Bowl to TCU. They were ranked #11 in the 2011 preseason poll. We know what happened at Ohio State in the 2010-2011 bowl season and off season. And still, even after losing their coach and 5 starters, Ohio State ranked #18 in 2011 preseason.
It's amazing how winning earns you respect and losing causes you to lose it.

KLF Buckeye's picture

Maybe it would help if Urban started helping other B1G schools recruit?

unknownmusketeer's picture

That would be an interesting recruiting tactic.
Meyer: "You want to play against the best? Go to [insert B1G school name here]! Losing to Ohio State would help you help me."

Spider1944's picture

He might already be doing that. Gesicki and probably Holley to Penn State. 

"There are 3 things that can happen and 2 of them are bad" - the Curse of Woody Hayes

kareemabduljacobb's picture

Lol Fresno vs Baylor in the Fiesta?! Hello 70-14 final score.

justanotherbuckeye22's picture

Hit polls on BCS  site  takes you  to espn,wtf

RedStorm45's picture

Hold up, AUBURN jumped us in the computer polls?? Eff this noise.

740buckeye's picture

S-E-C! S-E-C! S-E-C!
Didn't you notice how they overcame adversity playing Georgia?!!!

wojodta's picture

They really should not get full credit for that BS win. It was like the opposite of what happened to Wisky.

740buckeye's picture

Georgia hadn't thrown in the towel yet, so that touchdown totally counts, maybe even double!

AkronBuckeye13's picture

Before college gameday started someone on ESPN was saying that Auburn is a sleeper for the national title game. Are they serious?

cal3713's picture

I'm really worried that Auburn will jump us if they win out.

wojodta's picture

Baylor's schedule is not tougher. Not sure why the media keeps saying this. By the end of the season, they may have only played 2 ranked teams. If people actually think Baylor is better, then that's fine but don't say they should be ranked higher solely cause of schedule. That's a bunch of BS.

kareemabduljacobb's picture

It helps they have no conference championship game to boost em.

onetwentyeight's picture

Gus Malzahn. Mike Gundy. 
Our hopes rest on you. 

wojodta's picture

and David Cutcliffe...seriously

unknownmusketeer's picture

Duke beating Miami has my attention. Ok. That was long enough. Back to real football.

igo43's picture

He's a man! He's 40!! (ish).
Oklahoma St.'s D is ranked 40th, with 810 plays allowed.http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_code=MFB&division=11 Seems like they can't get the other team off the field.
Let's hope they have a great defensive game against Baylor.

"The minute I think I'm getting mellow, I'm retiring. Who ever heard of a mellow winner?" - WWH

fanatibuck's picture

All the post game drama and theatrics for nothing since the end of yesterday's game. I knew we would still be BCS 3rd. AP poll is meaningless and fraudulent if you look at the individual voters points. Just win out baby and watch Bama and Baylor lose.


droessl's picture

Let's see what beating Indiana by 50+ does. Bc that's going to happen. 

wojodta's picture

Indiana's offense is very good though. This past week was an aberration because of the conditions. Hopefully it will be ugly this saturday too.

Wesleyburgess1's picture

Yea i doubt it. Seems like we always have the most trouble stopping quick passes and tackling in the open field. Add to that a mobile quarterback and we have issues. I'll bet Indiana puts up at least 24 points on us this weekend. Hate to say it but it's probably gonna happen. Goes to show how good Wisconsin has gotten this season. There getting better and better.

justanotherbuckeye22's picture

Alabama will either lose to Auburn,or Missouri or  south Carolinas  Sec  championship game.
FSU will either get beat bye  Florida or  face duke in ACC championship game.
OHIO STATE   will beat Michigan state in Big ten championship game.
Baylor will lose  to Oklahoma State or  Texas.
No one loss team will overtake a undefeated  team for the  National Championship game.
Ohio Sate is undefeated what one loss team would they play?

740buckeye's picture

The "real" Stanford is still undefeated.

DefendYoungstown's picture

Nothing homerish here, everybody except for tOSU will lose... I love OSU but c'mon man, this is out there.

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

johnblairgobucks's picture

I've thought it, so I'll type it.  If Auburn happens to be the team to beat 'Bama, and then Auburn goes on to win the SEC Championship, they will jump tOSU in the BCS..... so it's not just enough for 'Bama to lose..... it may be who they potentially lose to, say maybe to South Carolina, if that happens to be the matchup in the SEC Champ Game. 
Other wise, tOSU needs Florida State to lose. 

wojodta's picture

I don't think that would actually happen but I'm sure many people in the media would be asking for it. To me Auburn has 2 losses right now.

johnblairgobucks's picture

most people never thought that an undefeated OSU team on a potential 26 had a chance to not play for a National Championship
or thought that a 1 loss Stanford could jump OSU in the BCS ( and they would have if they had won out)
or thought Baylor could ever jump us, and they will if they win, next week

onetwentyeight's picture

EH.... IDK. It would depend on the quality of their win against Bama. If Auburn squeaks by in the Iron bowl on some improbably lucky play (as is their M.O., apparently) and then goes on to under whelm in the SEC CG and lose to say S.Car., then we have nothing to worry about. 
If Auburn shocks the world and buries Saban like 50-17 or something, well then yeah. They'd probably jump us LOL. But I think the odds of that are low. I wouldn't even know if I'd pick Auburn to win the SEC CG should they make it. 

740buckeye's picture

I had an Arkansas fan argue with me that "Ohio State's D couldn't stop a nosebleed" and that we're a "totally overrated team waiting to be exposed against real competition." He also pointed to Ohio State's struggles in '06 & '07, yet his memory must've been erased of that Sugar bowl in '10 that never happened
Arkansas for crying out loud!

Hovenaut's picture

Sounds like he sure knows how to think for himse.....oh, wait.

Forgot you stated he's an Arkansas fan.

Ask him to define karma, if possible.

740buckeye's picture

Arkansas fan explanation of  karma - "Karma, isn't that what they dip apples in at state fairs?"

nm_buck's picture

No.  Karma is what run over my Dogma.

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

Him1stftballl8er's picture

I LOL'd at this and fat-fingered a down vote on accident. +1000! Lol

The wise shall inherit glory, but shame shall be the promotion of fools. 

Chief B1G Dump's picture

That's what I love about the University of SEC.  How in the flying F does an Ar-Kansas fan get the gusto to talk smack about Buckeyes.  Ar-Kansas football has never contributed a gat dang thing to anything...ever.  Period.  Completely irrelevant for the entire history of college football.

kevdale86's picture

Arkansas has fans????

KLF Buckeye's picture

Arkansas fans will remind you that the Sugar Bowl didn't count. We were using performance enhancing tattoos.

RedsBuckeyeBoy's picture

The impoverished denizens of Arkansas have so little. Walmart headquarters and Bert for a coach. Why don't you just let the little piggy have this one?

Knarcisi's picture

You must live in Arkansas or traveled there for work. Sorry for with, by the way. Because I've never known any Arkansas fan outside of the state. 

740buckeye's picture

Nope, this was in Ohio, you couldn't pay me enough money to tap my big toe inside the Arkansas state line.

jenks's picture

I met Arkansas fans in Cleveland a few weeks ago. They were nice and we had some fun talking a little trash.

iantrevor's picture

As a Buckeye living in AR, I resemble this remark.

Knarcisi's picture

Was it this asshole?

zbd's picture

OSU has the weakest schedule in the country. Weakest conference. Weakest teams. Lucky to be in the top 5.

KLF Buckeye's picture

Careful, ZBD. The difference between a troll and something funny is often something as simple as the sarcasm font.

740buckeye's picture

Thanks for being a ray of sunshine!

fanatibuck's picture

A Arkansas fan is being quoted on a OSU message board? LMAO!!!


hit_the_couch's picture

At least MSU is climbing; Wisconsin still not getting much love.

And then I told her...i'm no weatherman, but tonight's forecast is calling for several inches!

SPreston2001's picture

Im not sure why everyone is getting so worked up. This is the crappy BCS system and teams get screwed by it every year. Just be happy this is the last year this garbage system is in place. Im pretty much convinced we will be playing in the Rose Bowl against Oregon at this point so no point in getting upset over spilled milk. Those back to back NCG losses in 06/07 is the reason everyone thinks were overrated. People remember that Florida beat down like it was yesterday. Ever since then we've been considered a overrated team that gets exposed when we play against the SEC. We need to crush Goliath (SEC) in order to regain our respect period... And by SEC I mean Bama not a half-assed second tier Arkansas lol.

gwalther's picture

How are we 5, 5, 6, and 7 in four of the computer rankings??

Class of 2008

RedStorm45's picture

You don't even want to look at the computers last week...when they collectively had us 4th (three 4's, a 6, a 5, and a 3).  "PW" - moved us from 3rd to 7th this week.  What the hell did Oregon and Clemson do to pass Ohio State?

AllDay028's picture

Just FYI your writeup is wrong. We are 5th in the computers and Baylor is tied for 3rd.

juventas's picture

Oklahoma State at home, after a big win against Texas. OK State will be a tough out in Stillwater, IMO.

stantmann's picture

AP Poll: I was doing the math before this week, and 1/3 had Stanford, Baylor and OSU 3rd. I knew that with Stanford losing, that Baylor would get Stanford's votes. Baylor has zero chance in being 3rd after the B1G championship game, as long as OSU stays ahead of them in the AP poll. The reason we want to stay up in the AP polls, is because of FSU and 'Bama win out, OSU's only chance would be to blowout Oregon in the Rose Bowl for a split championship.
BCS standings: If Baylor loses, there is a good chance that Auburn may get Baylor's votes, (although OSU haters may well them split up between them and Oregon) Computers place Auburn 3rd, they are a serious threat. We as OSU fans, need not worry about Clemson, Mizzou, or even Oregon (since OSU beat them in 2010 and they have one loss). Auburn is the only serious threat to pass OSU. We need 1.) FSU to lose to Florida, which could happen, -OR- Alabama to lose to Mizzou. A different route would be for Alabama to lose to Auburn and then Auburn lose to Mizzou. either #1 or #2 will suffice to get OSU in the BCS championship game.