Urban Meyer: If Carlos Hyde had been Charged He would have been Dismissed

July 31, 2013 at 11:16a    by Kyle Rowland    
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Urban Meyer on the set of SportsCenter

It's Big Ten day in Bristol. The ESPN "car wash" will feature Urban Meyer, Gary Andersen, Darrell Hazell, Jerry Kill, Bo Pelini and Kevin Wilson appearing on several programs across the networks platform from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m.

Meyer has already spoken to Joe Schad, offering these nuggets of information: 

Meyer is still slated to appear on The Herd, Front Row, Sportscenter, First Take, Highly Unquestionable, College Football Live, Recruiting Nation, SVP and Russillo, ESPN.com chat, Ivan Maisel podcast, Coach and Company and GameDay.


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Squirrel Master's picture

I still say this was blown way out of proportion and that Hyde is getting a raw deal.
but Urban has to set an example and Hyde put him in this position. Don't go to clubs like that and things like that won't happen.

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Oyster's picture

It is also a direct result of the Hernandez charges and the connection everyone seemed to enjoy making. Right, wrong or indifferent, that is playing a role in the decisions concerning discipline. Everyone will feel the effects if they cross the line.

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hodge's picture

If the altercation was with another guy, it might not even result in a suspension.  You can't have "Respect Women" as a core value and not suspend a guy when he obviously fails to do so.
Hyde should have walked away--hell, he could have given her a cold stare--but instead he chose to act, and that was his flaw.  I'm sure it was a fast-twitch reaction, but that's still no excuse--he chose to step towards her and do whatever he did (since the video's of no help). 

wibuckeye's picture

Exactly. 

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gobucks96's picture

While I agree that he should have walked away. It was completely blown out of proportion. The media, as it always has, took this waaayy too far.

Squirrel Master's picture

I agree that "respect women" was a part of it Hodge but I also feel that if he hit a man and a report was filed like what happened, Hyde would still have been in trouble to some degree. I don't think this is purely the woman hitting thing. This was a "don't do dumb shit in clubs you shouldn't be in anyways" kind of thing.
Walking away is one thing, how about just don't be there and stay at home like Braxton!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

osu07asu10's picture

I doubt Carlos told her that she had pretty eyes, and that is why she tried to slap him in the head.

"Respect Women" encompasses so much more than physical contact. It was clear that whatever brosephs that Hyde was around were gawking and pointing at the girl and I don't think it came off as "respectful"

Further, it is generally accepted that Hyde was fairly animated in talking to her, even dropping the double middle finger in her face. This is NOT respecting women.
What the kicker was, is that it is all on tape. We can pretty much agree that evidence is inconclusive as to IF Hyde struck her...
I think we can all also generally agree that the manner in which Hyde treated the 19 year old, slap or no slap, was pretty disrespectful.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

CowCat's picture

BINGO.
Physical contact or not, the fact is that Hyde was involved in a contentious exchange with a woman in public -- and he took a step and a reach towards her, at the very least.
This clearly a violation of Meyer's core values and reflects poorly on the team and the school.  Add to that we're still under the NCAA microscope.
To top it off, our head coach now needs to spend a full day doing damage control with the media.  
3 games seems appropriate.   If he had said 4-5, I could understand that too.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

Toilrt Paper's picture

What if the "N" word was used?

hodge's picture

It doesn't matter what words were used--none of them are enough to elicit striking a woman.  It's apparent Hyde used some of his own to elicit the smack he received.  If a woman strikes you and you're not in immediate danger, you walk the f*ck away.  

BrewstersMillions's picture

Thank you so much. This nonsense about swinging back if swung upon first is just so damned tiresome. You are a giant of a man who plays for a football team that hammers self accountability home 24 hours per day. Short of immediate, grave physical danger-read:Nothing that happened to Hyde-there is absolutely no reason to strike back.

Do I come off as arrogant? Shame on me, I was hoping it would more obvious.

skid21's picture

I saw Hyde get hit much harder almost every game he played in last year. Somehow he managed to contain himself and not swing back.

Kvs66's picture

Then Al Sharpton would have been involved.

kvs

Hello_Heisman's picture

Disagree.  I agree with Meyer on this one.  I think it was the right amount of punishment in light of the fact that Hyde's actions weren't as bad as first reported.  He still needed to be suspended for the following reasons:
1.  Taking any kind of physical action against a woman, regardless of who started it
2.  Bringing tons of negative attention to the OSU program
3.  Being a purported senior leader on the team who should have known better than to get mixed up in a situation like that in the first place
I have been very critical of Meyer's interpretation of discipline (or lack thereof) in the past from his UF days, but I think he got it right on this one. 
 

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hodge's picture

I was really worried about his lax disciplinary standards at UF, but since his hiring here, he's shown absolutely no vestiges of that former mentality.  I can't think of any punishment doled out that hasn't been on-point.

Squirrel Master's picture

I'm not saying Urban shouldn't have suspended him for what happened and that its unfair what Urban did, I'm saying the fact that the girl filed a police report for crap that happens in the clubs all the time is BS. She over played it when she knew she was far from innocent in that exchange. Hyde shouldn't have done what he did but she instigated it with her hit.
and if you start stop the tape right at the exact spot you can see contact from her to Hyde's face. Either that or he flinched pretty badly.
Point I am making is that Urban did what he had to do and Hyde will have to accept it but what happens all the time in those clubs (I follow the logic "if you don't want to get treated like a hooker, don't dress like one") shouldn't have gotten to this point. The whole mess was blown out of proportion from the beginning and Hyde is paying for it. As was said below, if there wasn't a video of this Hyde would have lost the rest of his college career and probably a chance to play in the NFL. That would have been tragic.

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osu07asu10's picture

(I follow the logic "if you don't want to get treated like a hooker, don't dress like one")

 
Wow. Just Wow. So she deserved the disrespect because she was "dressed like a hooker"?
SM, there are no excuses for what Hyde did. "This happens all the time in clubs" is not an excuse for disrespectful, borderline criminal, behavior nor is the "treated like a hooker because she dressed like one".

Hyde dicked up, bottom line, he screwed up bad, and I doubt that is the first time he has ever acted that way towards a female.
 

 

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

skid21's picture

The new sign in the WHAC will read "Respect women, except those who dress like hookers."

Toilrt Paper's picture

As far as I could tell watching that video there were at least a couple of dozen hookers on that stage. I WOULD NOT respect any of them, but a real man would never strike a hooker unless she was after your wallet. If I were the parents of any of those girls and she was still living at home, after seeing that video they would be out on the street with the rest of the hookers. They were more disgusting then the guys slobbering over them.

skid21's picture

I really wonder how old some of you guys are. I'm not a youngster myself but women have been dressing "like hookers, " provocative, sexy (take your pick) for years. Anyone who expects a young woman will dress like an Amish woman to go out clubbing is being ridiculous. So if you only want to respect a woman if she dresses to your standards is your choice but obviously not Urban's.

AndyVance's picture

I agree with you (and Hodge, above) wholeheartedly. The only thing I would add is that while we're teaching young men to treat women with respect, we should also encourage our young women to respect themselves and act with a certain amount of class/dignity/whatever you want to call it (actually, that goes for the young men, too).
Respect in some measure is given because it is expected, or because it is the right thing to do in any case, but respect in larger measure has to be earned; it appears that neither Hyde nor the girl in question acted in a way that demands much respect at all.

skid21's picture

If you are talking about her actions then I agree. If you are talking about the way she dressed then I disagree.

AndyVance's picture

I don't have an opinion about the dress code of the barflies and Sugar 2. But, how we dress is part and parcel of the whole way we present ourselves - clothes are part of the equation, and our level of physical fitness, way we do our hair, makeup use (I don't wear any, for example), etc. all say something about who we are and how we want others to view and treat us.
If you want people to respect you, dress respectably. If you're at a club, your goal might not be respect; rather, you're probably trying to garner some level of physical attraction from a desirable mate. So, if that's your goal, choose clothes accordingly, but do so knowing that not everyone will have the same opinion about that choice.
Trust me, I'm no stick in the mud on this - I'm perfectly happy for attractive women to dress in a way that attracts men's attention... But it is inappropriate to then blame the man for looking, as the age-old argument goes, or to then be offended if someone with different social mores thinks you "dress like a slut" (not my words, just quoting) if your goal in dressing a certain way was purely to attract the male patrons' attention.

skid21's picture

So are the same expectations about dress true with men? You seem to have a lot of "conditions" for what is acceptable.

AndyVance's picture

Yes, as I said - it's a gender neutral concept. And no, I don't have any conditions about what's "acceptable." I'm saying you need to be self-aware enough to understand that a given style of clothing infers one set of assumptions about the wearer. In the same you might infer something about a business professional because they are a snappy dresser, you almost certainly form a set of snap decisions based on some dressed more provocatively.
I'm not making a value judgment either way - just pointing out the obvious reality that people judge you by what you wear and how you present yourself. This is not a hard concept to grasp, but is pretty obvious to anyone who has ever been to high school or gone on a job interview.

skid21's picture

I disagree with your belief you aren't being judgmental. Talking about a job interview and talking about clubbing are two very different situations. So what judgments do you have about a man out clubbing that says he should be shown less respect?

AndyVance's picture

Look at about half the guys in that video - like the alleged victim said, it speaks for itself. Fashion crimes all over the place and I have some very definite perceptions based on those.
The situations are different, but the premise is not: people judge you by the way you dress within the context of a given situation. Arguing to the contrary is just being stubborn at this point.
And to reiterate for something like the five-thousandth time, I have no judgment whatsoever about the girl or girls in this case as it relates to the Carlos Hyde situation - I have never made that connection and would not because it is ignorant and wrong.
What I am stating quite clearly and what you are ignoring (intentionally to be argumentative?) is that we are all saying we need to teach young men certain things, namely that women deserve respect based purely on their gender. Fine - I was raised that way, and if I had a son I would raise him with that as the cardinal rule.
But since I have a daughter, I can also tell you that she will be raised to respect herself first, and that means understanding how her actions and behavior - including how she dresses and carries herself - reflect on her and her family. That's all - very straightforward. If you dress and act a certain way, even at a shitty bar like Sugar 2, it conveys one image; you can be sexy and attractive without "dressing like a slut." If you want to dress more provocatively, I'm perfectly fine with that, as long as you understand that some people - not me - will judge you harshly because of it.
If you're telling me that you've never known a guy who looks at a girl and makes an assumption about her willingness to engage in various physical activities based purely on her looks and clothing, then you apparently don't know any of the guys I knew on campus back in the day.

skid21's picture

Again, you have different standards in dress and what constitutes self respect.

But since I have a daughter, I can also tell you that she will be raised to respect herself first, and that means understanding how her actions and behavior - including how she dresses and carries herself - reflect on her and her family.

bigbadbuck's picture

To Squirrel.....we all know folks try to get away with what they can get away with its human nature and so she tried to play it off like she was the victim.....was it right? no but it is what it is at least we all know she was a long way from being innocent.
 
To OSU..I agree with you that it;s doubtful that this is the first time Carlos has acted that way towards a woman, but it may very well be the first time he's been called out on it.

osu07asu10's picture

I just am having a hard time with the justification of Hyde's actions by many (not anyone in particular).
I mean seriously, we are, now discussing the way the victim dressed and how it affects how Hyde and other men should view and treat her! It shouldn't matter how a girl (or anyone) dresses, you should treat EVERYONE that you come in contact with, with the same amount of respect that you want to be treated. 

That is so far from the centerline of a young man who acted deplorably. He was punished. He needs to accept responsibility for his actions, and we need to not make excuses for them.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

AndyVance's picture

On this one thing we agree: her clothes should have had zero bearing Hyde's behavior in question (the slapfest, that is). He should have walked away, period.
What is fair to say, which I did above, is that while we are teaching young men to respect women, we should also teach our young women to respect themselves, and to understand that their choices do have consequences, the same as with the young men. Cause and effect, in other words, is gender-neutral.

osu07asu10's picture

No, I think we're in agreement on most of it. I absolutely get where you are coming from AV, I agree with a vast majority of everything you've said.
Maybe I got hung up on the "raw deal" talk. There are a lot of facets to the "raw deal". I think he got what he deserved from Coach Meyer. However, I do totally agree with you that he has been unfairly labeled in the public due to this altercation. Due to his "celebrity" status in Columbus, it makes it even harder for him to escape the false reports that were put out there.
So I'm on board with it, and I think there are some ancillary punishments for Hyde that probably do add up to a "raw deal"
 
 

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

AndyVance's picture

Okay, now I think we're definitely on the same page. While Meyer's punishment in terms of games might have been more than I would have doled out, I don't have any problem with any amount of punishment he heaps out, and I'd love to Hyde to come out and apologize for putting his coach and teammates in that position in the first place.
My take on the raw deal is that everyone in American (hyperbole for effect) pulled out their "Jump to Conclusions" mats and had a big ol' time, while a college student who did something really, really dumb twisted in the wind. That's the raw deal - not what Ohio State did or does.
I feel so much better now that we're in agreement (broadly speaking)!

osu07asu10's picture

Glad we're on the same page too.  To whenever El Guapo rides again...

 
"Jump to Conclusions" mat

 
If you had mentioned Smykowski earlier...

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

skid21's picture

Hyde definitely got a raw deal in the media. I heard he punched a woman and she was unconscious for 5 minutes. WTF? However, he did not get a raw deal from Urban. Urban said he has taught his players to just walk away. Hyde did not just walk away.

SaltyD0gg's picture

I'm sorry, was there something after the picture?

Pain of Discipline
Pain of Regret
Take Your Pick

rkylet83's picture

Coach Meyer said in his most recent interview that he watched the video and Hyde didn't do what they ask of the players; walk away.

kmp10's picture

Hyde does seem to be getting a "raw deal" (based on what little we know from a grainy video, and not having any first hand information specific to the relationship Hyde had/has with the female in question). It's the country we live in (not the world, but specifically this country), and the way females have been given a sort of carte blanche to have their cake and eat it too so to speak. She seems clearly to swing at Hyde first. Hyde should have simply walked away at that point, and IF he was completely innocent in all of this (i.e. he wasn't bothering the girl, frightening the girl, intimidating the girl, etc.) then he would have drawn Urban's praise instead of his ire. What is clear to me though, and what lesson there is to be learned, is that if a female punches, slaps, kicks, hits or attacks you you're CLEARLY not expected to retaliate, and moreover, the expectation is that you should simply walk away. We have been conditioned as men to be be the protector of females. We have been told from the time we were children that we cannot hit our sisters, female classmates, girls of any kind in any way. I agree with that in totality. However, it's become so unbalanced in our country that females can get away with an extraordinary amount and pay no consequence whatsoever, while someone like Hyde is being made an example of for reacting to another human being trying to punch him in the face. Women enjoy a double standard. They want equal pay, equal rights, to be viewed as being wholly capable of doing anything any male counterpart can do... until it's time to pay the check, or change the tire, or paint the house, or face legal charges for punching a guy (are there exceptions to this? Yes, but I'm speaking in general). When any of those things happen then it's time to play the part of the weaker sex. The poor incapable female. I've never hit a girl/woman in my life, nor do I believe I ever would... but I think Hyde is paying SOMEWHAT of a steep price for "reacting" to someone trying to punch him in the face, especially in a scenario that CPD is calling uneventful. I think one game and some time with Mickey Marotti would have sufficed, as Hyde was stupid to have put himself in that position to begin with. But the pressure created by the way females are kowtowed to in these kinds of scenarios mandates that Meyer do more than what seems fair... This is simply an opinion, btw. I do not condone violence towards women in ANY shape, form or fashion. If you, as a male, physically abuse/beat up/punch a woman then you should pay a HEAVY price (barring extreme hypothetical scenarios we can all come up with). I just believe that, in trying to balance things out, the scales have been tipped dramatically against the male and in favor of the female in situations like these, to the point of being completely unbalanced. It's ironic...

1967Buck's picture

  To Squirrel Master and Hodge, Thank You for saying it like it is. I have a hard time saying what I think into words. You both spoke from my heart on all this. So thanks again to both of you. Peace.   Go Bucks.

Kvs66's picture

It is clear that the coaching staff has set standards of conduct and that some players are too arrogant to follow them. I believe this will be an opportunity for Carlos to be a better person going forward and hopefully, help his future career. 
I was very critical of the previous coaching staffs, but until proven wrong, I stand by Urban and his team.

kvs

AndyVance's picture

Good lord he's running the gauntlet today... Credit where it's due, the man knows how to work the media.

BROSEPH's picture

I think it's a Big Ten day at ESPN, Bo Pellini is going to appear on various shows as well.  I'm not sure if anyone else is there.  ESPN did the same thing with ACC coaches earlier this week.
On another note: Samantha Ponder has legs for days.

AndyVance's picture

Yes, it is B1G day at the ESPN "carwash" (whatever the heck that is), but I'm still impressed that he's going to hit all those shows in a day. Good use of his time this week, that's for sure.

BROSEPH's picture

It's definitely in his favor to throw a blanket on this whole situation the very next day.  Hopefully it will keep media from talking about the whole thing and move on and talk football from here on out.

cronimi's picture

On another note: Samantha Ponder has legs for days.

Thank you. I was wondering who she is, and I had faith that someone would comment on her here. Yeah, she's mighty fine. Christian's a lucky guy.
 

MN Buckeye's picture

Now if her husband could just throw the damn football . . . well, we will see this fall.

buckeyeEddie27's picture

That has to be so exhausting.  Comes w the territory I guess though. 

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

shortbus20's picture

I know that I am in the minority but I also think the punishment was to harsh.

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omahabeef1337's picture

Unrelated: Are you guys distorting images a little? I've seen a few that seem a little horizontally stretched.

droessl's picture

What has Urban done to deserve having to go on First Take? My heart goes out to him. 

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

This drives me crazy. just said "coming up: Urban Meyer on Aaron Hernandez"...jesus

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

FROMTHE18's picture

confront the haters head on, they sit back and act all tough when the person they are hating on isnt around...well, its a different ball game when that person is sitting a foot away and you have to hate them to their face

faux_maestro's picture

I loved that approach by Urban. He completely disarmed those douchebags with his charm and just simply being there and answering their questions. 

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Bucks's picture

Might be in the minority or majority here but don't care either way. This bothers me tremendously.
Had this encounter taken place without any camera backup, the story line would've been along the lines as originally started: Hyde assaults woman in club, knocks out woman in club, statements from people with vested interests, etc.
There is still a portion, from looking at the poll, that think he should be dismissed from the team. I certainly don't share that opinion. For those in the Fair/too harsh ... without that camera, Hyde would more than likely be off the team. Think about that.
After all the back and forth, I'm of the opinion that news of surveillance threw the alleged victim for a loop and changed the entire thing. Have to understand, in the timeline, this person went the extra step of gathering witness statements before knowing of the video. Without that video, I'd be willing to bet she would have pressed charges. Just my opinion and you are all welcome to yours.

hodge's picture

This is a really good point.  But, I wonder if perhaps Meyer isn't just talking tough for the camera a bit--I'd like to hope that, in the absence of video evidence, he'd have approached this in the same way as the Storm Klein situation last year--actually trying to get to the bottom of what really happened before finalizing a player's fate (or in Klein's case, reinstating him).

Kvs66's picture

I think he realizes he made a huge mistake reinstating Snail Kline and that may be part of his reference of questioning all the 2nd chances given in the past. Any fans that witnessed Snail's performance knows it was a mistake.

kvs

AndyVance's picture

Right on the money, Sir. Without the video, the Mindy Drayers and Clay Travises of the world would have tried, convicted and executed Hyde in the court of public opinion, and there would have been nothing Ohio State or Hyde could have done about it. Even with the video he's still getting a raw deal.

osu07asu10's picture

Andy,
This is just a general question, do you want ohio state football players running around putting two middle fingers in a girls face, pointing at her with his bros, and saying things that were pleasant enough to get smacked in the back of head?
Hyde's behavior before he ever raised a hand to the girl was not becoming of a member of The Ohio State University football program.

Or the better question is, WHAT (if any) behavior that Hyde exhibited on the camera do you think he would have done in the presence of Urban Meyer? Or his Mom?

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

AndyVance's picture

Like Coach Meyer, what I want is for players not to put themselves in dumb situations, and getting into a pissy slapfest with a girl at a bar counts as a dumb situation. What I want is for Ohio State players to be more like Archie Griffin and Braxton Miller and less like Johnny Manziel and [insert other SEC ballerz name here].
None of which precludes me from thinking that Hyde got a raw deal as a result of the media circus. We can quibble over the merits of 1, 2 or 3 games on the bench, of running through Coach Mick's House of Pain from now until doomsday, or whatever other appropriate punishment might seem "fair," but that's not the point: the point is that a young man did something really dumb and was painted more or less as a woman-beater. Without the video, all we have is a bunch of internet-fed and Mindy Drayer-fueled third-hand stories that Harlos punched or slapped a girl, which would have been enough to end his career as a football player at Ohio State.
And that, my friend, is a raw deal any way you slice it. It's not "all's well that ends well" in this case - Hyde will forever be viewed by some in the community and many outside the community in a fairly negative light for what they heard about the situation more so than what they actually saw in the video.

osu07asu10's picture

Decent points, none of which answer my question of what behavior (if any) would Hyde actually do in the presence of Meyer?

Was it the gawking and pointing at the girl?
Was it approaching her, and putting two middle fingers in her face?
Or was it lunging at her after she hit him?
Event + Reponse = Outcome
EVENT
That is the new motto on the team's bracelets. Hyde created the event for himself by approaching the girl that his bros were pointing at, at some point sticking both of his middle fingers in the girls face, and saying something that made her slap him in the back of the head.
RESPONSE
Hyde retaliates, and at the very least, lunges towards the girl in a public place, with witnesses (biased or not) as well as video survellience.
OUTCOME
He gets suspended for 3 games because he clearly broke one of the major tenets of Urban Meyer's football program, "RESPECT WOMEN"
 
That my friend, is NOT a raw deal, ANYWAY you slice it.  Anything but accepting his culpability in the situation is not going to appease Meyer and isn't going to ultimately lead to Carlos Hyde learning from and maturing from this incident.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

AndyVance's picture

You're arguing an entirely different subject, which is poor rhetorical device. The subject of my comments from the start had nothing to do with my feelings on Hyde's behavior and everything to do with the treatment he's received because of the allegations that were ultimately disproven to a large extent by the video evidence.
I'm not sure where you went to debate school, but your argument is a great example of the complex question fallacy ("Have you stopped beating your wife?"), or perhaps begging the question (not to split debate-philsophy hairs).
You've essentially posing a ridiculous question like "Wouldn't you agree that it's bad to smash puppies with a mallet?" And expected me to defend against it - which I won't do, because the question is irrelevant to my comments in the first place.
--
NOW, as I said above, I want for our players the same things that Urban Meyer wants. What your comments presuppose is that Hyde would have learned nothing from the incident absent the three-game suspension, which I dispute. Meyer could have used many, many other tactics as a teachable moment, though I don't have a huge problem with the punishment in the grand scheme of things.
I do, however, think that the punishment was quite likely ratcheted up because of the hyperbolic nature of the coverage and reaction to the story when it "broke" based on second-hand rumors and lots of sketchy reporting.
Where I have a real problem with all of this is the double standard Carlos Hyde is now living with. On the one hand, the easy point is the double standard of Hyde vs. Manziel - the Heisman Trophy winner's behavior is also not what I could describe as conduct befitting a representative of a major college football program, and especially not befitting the public face of the Heisman legacy. And yet, he's given a pass because "kids will be kids," or whatever.
No, the more important double standard is Carlos Hyde versus every other bar-hopping kid in America. If your average engineering undergrad goes to Sugar Bar and gets into a girlie slapfest, there is little chance - even in the age of Twitter - that he won't graduate and get a good-paying job. Not so for young Mr. Hyde. If the media had prosecuted Hyde to the point that he got the boot, the likelihood of him becoming a top draft pick and earning a career in the NFL becomes much, much smaller. In fact, it may already be smaller given that his senior stats will already be limited by three games - unless the Buckeyes play in the B1G CG and a Bowl Game (okay, both are likely), he'll have one fewer game than he had in his injury-shortened 2012 season.
Those games will matter in terms of the stats scouts look at - if you don't believe, this morning's piece about Heisman Trophy winner Vic Janowicz is a good case study in how a player's draft fortunes can change from one season to the next.

Kvs66's picture

The majority of the morons that are saying he got a raw deal are people that would sacrifice their careers and scholarship to do something similar in a similar situation. You have summarized what most of us want to expect and see from our OSU team. Thanks for your response.

kvs

faux_maestro's picture

I think Andy was going for the idea that Hyde's ass was saved by the video because people were saying things on twitter like "I was there and Hyde just knocked a girl out" where he clearly didn't knock her out. Huge for his life that there was video showing him to just be a big knucklehead and not some thug that knocks women out.

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osu07asu10's picture

I get that, but what happens if the girl steps towards Hyde and not away form him? 
And 240 lbs lunging behid his extended arm catches her right in the face, she hits the floor and fractures her skull (coughTylerMoellercough).
What is Hyde then? Is he a thug that knocks women out? Or is he still just a big knucklehead? HIS REACTION didn't change, but the result could have been very different.
 
There are ZERO excuses for his behavior. Carlos did not get a raw deal, Carlos is lucky, and he needs to make the most of his 2nd chance under Urban Meyer.

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

AndyVance's picture

Here again, you're countering an argument that no one is making.
No one, and I really think I mean not a single person here, is making a (cogent) argument that Hyde didn't screw up, and no one is arguing that he shouldn't face some manner of punishment. Moreover, no one is arguing that he shouldn't learn something from the situation, hopefully: A) Not to get in similar no-win situations again; and B) Learn to walk away, Big Fella.
But going on and on about how he could have killed somebody based on that video is the height of dramatic fallacy.
Not to muddy the waters further, but Hyde's swat at her initial jab could quite possibly be an evolutionary artifact - researchers are looking into how, exactly, your brain adjusts your body's movements on the fly in response to external stimuli... Like, say some random bar chick trying to land a cheap shot.

osu07asu10's picture

EDIT: See Smykowski image above...

"They don't know what they don't know." - Coach Mick

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Oh yeah, the video saved Hyde's f'n ass.  If there was no video, we'd have nothing to believe other than what we heard. 
Look, the girl started it, and Hyde didn't do much back.  He shouldn't have done anything back, but his actions weren't enough to warrant being kicked off the team.  A 3 game suspension simply sends the message to walk away.  If he walked away without any reaching at the victim, he gets nothing and we probably never even hear about it. 
I know that a lot of people on here are saying "just avoid the bars".  I say Hyde is a grown ass man...he's 22, he has a right to go to the bar and have a drink if he wants to.  But if he senses that something is about to go down, his best bet is to get out of dodge.  I mean, unless it was like Ronda Rousey trying to kick his ass, he can get away from it without much trouble. 

Class of 2010.

gobucks96's picture

Totally agree. She was knocked out per some of the intial reports.

Kvs66's picture

If it had been Rhonda, his career would have been over. It takes both arms to play in the NFL.

kvs

Toilrt Paper's picture

There are bars and then there are bars. If I was a guy I would be embarrassed if anyone found out that I frequented that meat market, NOT a bar. Young girls up on a stage shaking there asses for the drunken men slobbering down their chins as they highlight the best ass shakers with flashlights they bring to the MEAT MARKET.

chitown buckeye's picture

I agree with your opinion of the young lady. Unfortunately it is the world we live in anymore. Guilty til proven innocent and a women never lies.

"I'm having a heart attack!"

Hovenaut's picture

Even though I'm not able to watch at the moment, why do I get the feeling that Bristol has the atmosphere of a girl's slumber party right now?

I know the season is thirty f'n one days out, how about training camp?

wibuckeye's picture

Watching First Take and realizing why I never watch this show, talk about a couple of douche bags. 

WIBUCKEYE

BROSEPH's picture

I'd normally agree with you, but they haven't been too bad here in this piece.  Other than them bringing up Tebow.

Oyster's picture

Since they are there most of the day, I wonder if they have a buffet there so the guys can grab a bite between interviews?  I'm sure other B1G coaches are wondering the same thing.

May you R.I.P. Otsego, but know this. Gaylord Rocks!

Kvs66's picture

Hoke mentioned it.

kvs

Citrus's picture

I don't understand the connection between charges and being kicked off the team. The two things should be unrelated. The problem was/is Hyde's action which is the same regardless of whether the female decided to press charges. To me the charges thing is completely arbitrary. Hyde's actions were wrong but not wrong enough to warrant dismissal from the team, regardless of a prosecutors' actions. 

 

acBuckeye's picture

I agree. In another thread, before this news came out, I said I thought that if Hyde had been charged, Meyer would've kicked him off the team. I guess I was right.
But while I was typing that, I was thinking that it shouldn't have mattered what the CPD or the girl decided to do. Whatever they did or didn't do still doesn't change what actually happened. I hope Meyer gathered as many facts as he could, and then made a decision based off of those facts..... not based on what the police or the girl decided to do.
I also think that all the recent negative media attention aimed at Meyer's past (and Tat-gate, DiGironimo, Gordon Gee, etc.) played a large part in why Meyer said what he said. He's doing some minor damage control for the program and university's public perception. I think he said that to appease the Gregg Doyel's of the world..... although under normal circumstances I think he'd give a flying f*** what they have to say.

skid21's picture

You could also look at Urban's statement as meaning if Hyde had actually committed an act which could have led to an arrest he would have been dismissed. In other words, if Hyde had actually hurt the woman or taken it further than it went. I think Urban has made it clear he didn't like what happened but anything beyond that would not have been tolerated by him at all. That is how I took it anyway.

OldColumbusTown's picture

This is exactly how I took Urban's words, Skid.
I think what he was indicating was if the original reports were true, and Hyde had committed physical assault against a woman that led to injuries/harm/etc., then he would have had a zero tolerance and dismissed Hyde from the team.  That, however, is not what happened so instead he presented an alternative suspension fitting what he deemed to be actions that do not represent the program.

Kvs66's picture

This is exactly how most people listening would have taken it. 

kvs

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

the man handles himself DAMN WELL

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

buckeyepastor's picture

I think three games is about right.   Whether he actually made contact with the woman or not (it's hard to tell on the video), to even go through the motions of hitting her, in a non-joking way, is not acceptable behavior.   It's likely that the Aaron Hernandez situation might have meant an additional game for Carlos, which doesn't sound fair, but life's not fair.   Truth is, there was point on the video where he needed to just walk away, and he didn't, and there are consequences.    

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

chicagobuckeye's picture

Little off topic but I must say I am a huge Samantha Ponder fan.

OSUStu's picture

...Gary Andersen, Darrell Hazell, Jerry Kill, Bo Pelini and Kevin Wilson...

Wow, that is a Who's Who of college coaching right there.  Way to go B1G!  All due respect to Coach Hazell who I am sure will be great.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

IBleedSandG's picture

I just listened to SVP interview Urb. Good interview. I like SVP, he's one of the few espn guys I like.
His first two questions to Urb were:
Favorite cartoon growing up? A: Popeye
Favorite cereal? A: Life (Whole Wheat)
Coach Meyer repeated something he has said a number of times before, "If he keeps improving and growing as a quarterback, Braxton Miller has no ceiling."

"You pick up the rifle and go as hard as you can possibly go."
-UFM

skid21's picture

After watching some of the early games of 2012 on BTN yesterday I understand what Urban is saying. A number of times if Brax would have recognized the defense a second earlier or read the field a tad better his numbers would have been outrageous. So many near misses. His talent hasn't even touched the surface in those early games.

Chief B1G Dump's picture

That Sam Steele is one fine piece of A$$!

AngryWoody's picture

I just love how everything to this post are deep philosophical/social arguments, and then this is like "DAT ASS" lol.
Well played sir
+1.

Our Honor Defend!

Patriot4098's picture

Urban took it to him and El Guappo deserved it.  Period.

"Evil shenanigans!"     - Mac