What I don't get is why any OSU fan would do anything other than thank Finebaum for saying this to a national audience. If this is how Urban's tenure is perceived, he's much more likely to stay at OSU longer. Last thing I ever want to hear from a pundit is that Urban has done everything there is to do.
One other thought about this - you don't see Meyer and Saban talk about each other and their respective programs with anything other than highest praise. There's a reason for that. Is it a good idea to remind Urban Meyer of how he got embarrassed on the national stage? If you for second believe that it was due to maxing out his coaching ability, you're an idiot. You're just asking for Meyer and Wilson to spend their limited free time figuring out ways to pick apart your defense with those comments. If you want to bet on Brent Venables over them, go right ahead.
Wounded pride aside, I don't really get what he's talking about after reading the full quote. Penn State and Michigan both lost very close bowl games to strong opponents. The top of the conference might have gone 0-3, but only the Buckeyes got embarrassed. Don't see how he could have known the whole conference was in trouble, which is what it sounds like he's saying. Now, if he's specifically talking about Meyer/Warinner/Beck turtling on offense as soon as things got tough - yeah he has a point. I read somewhere recently or heard on a podcast an assessment of the offensive woes in terms of Meyer and Warinner being too quick to take things off the table for a whole game that struck me as accurate. Certainly Dabo would have realized his ability to take away a number of the things that allowed the Buckeyes to score a bajilion points against Rutgers.
Dobbins was a top 50 composite player, McCall was another top 50 composite player.
This is exactly why I said true RB. McCall is clearly not a 3-down featured back, given his size and skill set. He's an electric player, but he can't put the whole offense on his back the way Hyde did. I would argue the same is true of Dobbins.
I believe a ratings bump is coming soon.
He might end up being a diamond in the rough, but his current ranking isn't an accident. He just isn't a Plan A guy for how OSU is recruiting right now. As I said above, I'm happy for the guy, and I think the state of the RB position right now is pretty good right now, but I can't help but notice that, with the possible exception of Weber, the RB room is full of Plan B/Plan C true RBs right now, and Teague is another example of the same.
Can anyone explain the logic of essentially taking Teague over Snead? Unless Snead is already restless, and we just don't know about it? Because Teague seems like the definition of Plan C.
On a side note, I can't help but think that Zeke and his success in Columbus and Dallas has affected how RBs look at UFM and the Buckeyes, right?!
I have to wonder if other coaches are pointing out to RBs that Meyer tends to lean on the QB/"Athlete" option when they REALLY need yards, even when it's pretty obviously not the right decision - think Braxton over both Hyde and Zeke against MSU in 2013 and 2015. Yes, OSU's RBs get yards, but outside of Zeke in the 2014 postseason the RB is never THE guy. And that was because they simply couldn't lean on Cardale. So someone like White - a three-down workhorse who can reasonably expect to be THE guy in almost any offense - might be concerned about not having enough of the spotlight in OSU's offense.
Happy for the kid, but I can't help but think this isn't great news re: Zamir White. On the other hand, I don't really buy the Weber-gone-after-this-year hype, so I think they'll have a chance next year to pick up a truly elite RB.
Hate Belichick, hate Brady, hate the current Patriots because of those two. Any game they win is, by definition, a bad game.
If Michigan beat a team you don't care one way or another about ... say Washington ... in quadruple overtime to win the CFP, would you say that was a great game? I think not.
Not to mention the fact that Sprinkle, Alabi, Dre'Mont Jones, and Cornell all came in as DEs. That's half of the 8 (you only get to 10 counting Garrett and Cage) players currently in the program listed as DTs. "Research" is how you find out stuff like that :)
Of the remaining 4, after Hill, who'll be a RS Senior, there are DaVon Hamilton, Robert Landers, and Malik Barrow. Two 3*s and a fringe 4*. I'm sure those guys are working very hard, but there's a reason the staff saw fit to convert 4 DEs to DTs. I guess that's the plan according to Macke: why bother recruiting DTs at all, when you can just load up on DEs and convert them.
That's exactly my point though. Why is it possible to pursue Wilson+Tufele, but not Wilson+Tufele+Solomon? You would think immediate PT would appeal any elite DT who can legitimately play 1-tech.
For that matter, anyone know where the 2pm presser will be streamed?
Anyone have a link to where a replay of the show can be listened to online, or where it will show up? Nothing showing up under The Urban Meyer Call-In Show on The Fan's website.
Except you don't buy a Ferrari to beat Honda Civics, just because your schedule dictates you race mainly against Honda Civics. You're right, in 9 out of 10 games it doesn't matter. And even against Clemson defense did better than fine, but Clemson's strength wasn't the running game. Remember when Bama fans were pissed at Kiffin for not just feeding Derrick Henry the ball in the Sugar Bowl? Henry was punishing the defense. Alabama probably would have won that game if they slowed it down by keeping the ball on the ground. Guess what would have really helped stop Henry? An elite 1-tech who has to be double teamed by the OL, creating more openings for 3-techs, DEs, and LBs to get to Henry.
No one is saying the sky is falling. Yes, we're splitting hairs between Bama and OSU. Yes, we're spoiled, because we want to play for the NC every year, and that's not even that unreasonable given current circumstances. But this is a discussion board and we are discussing the biggest weaknesses this team has, even if almost every other program would give anything to have those weaknesses as their strengths. You can only post some version of "Trust Urban" and GIFs so much before it gets boring.
Garrett is a great get, and he does to some extent break the streak of failing to sign elite DTs, but here are other DTs ranked substantially ahead of Jerron Cage:
1) Wilson - looking to be the same sad story as Rashard Lawrence, Dexter Lawrence, Antwuan Jackson, etc
2) Aubrey Solomon, #25 overall from GA, re-committed to Michigan. Apparently they can pull 5* DTs out of the South.
3) Tufele - see Wilson, except Tufele isn't even from the South. Yes, it's hard to pull players out of Utah, except USC is apparently about to do it. Yes, yes, he has friends there, whatever. Remind me what makes a recruiter "elite", if he can never overcome the "hard to pull player out of X" and "he has connections at X, but not at OSU" excuses.
4) Tyler Shelvin, #52 overall from LA, going to LSU. Fine, this kid only has offers from LSU, Bama, TAMU, and Nebraska (for some reason), so he was never going to leave the South.
5) Marlon Tuipulotu, #60 overall from OR, enrolled at USC. Had offers from Michigan and ND, but not from OSU. Didn't have an offer from Bama either, but last I checked Bama has zero trouble recruiting elite DTs. Was pursuing this kid not worth the effort?
6) Garrett - great get, see above. Need one to two more like him every year.
7) Phidarian Mathis, #99 overall from LA, signed with Bama. Lots of offers, but none from B1G schools except Minnesota, apparently saying why the hell not. So the kid was unlikely to leave the south, but was it not worth even kicking the tires on him?
8) Greg Rogers, #120 overall from Vegas, committed to UCLA. Offers from Nebraska, ND, and Michigan, but not OSU. Again, was it not even worth the effort of offering him?
9) Ja'len Parks, #141 overall from FL, committed to FSU. Only offer outside the traditional South from Oklahoma, so I guess he was never going to leave the South. Fine.
10) Darnell Ewell, #149 overall from VA, signed with ND. Had OSU offer.
I'm sure there are legitimate reasons OSU won't get each of the 9 guys other than Garrett, but together it's a pattern. It's great to finish 2nd or 3rd or whatever for Wilson and Tufele - you tried hard and were almost there. Why was OSU never in the discussion for Solomon? Why was OSU beaten out by ND, a program nearly going down in flames, for Ewell? Why weren't Tuipulotu, Mathis, and Rogers pursued at all?
The fact that this staff apparently gets every other top shelf DE and DB and every third or fourth top shelf LB and WR only makes this more annoying. Yes, with good coaching OSU can go toe to toe with Bama, but at this rate Bama will always have a talent advantage. And at least in part it's because they're willing to invest more effort than OSU. I'm talking about the staff, not the mythical bagmen.
1) Upvote to OP for calling out "Trust Urban". If all you have to say is "Trust Urban", why even bother posting a comment in a discussion thread? The only purpose of that comment is to shut down the discussion. By drowning in out with "Trust Urban", if nothing else.
2) OP, I don't understand why it has to be one or the other. I would think the staff should be tracking/in contact with/whatever with EVERY top-300 DT, or at least every one that isn't a clearly poor fit (for whatever reason). Maybe this is where having a Bama-like support staff would come in handy. Seemingly every year they strike out with two or three top-100, more like top-75 even, guys, only to have guys outside the top-300 start popping up out of nowhere in December and January. It's great to have backup plans, but a) if they're popping up in December and January they aren't plans, they're last second flyers, and b) why not have guys in the 150-300 range be your backup plans for the top-75 guys?
Tallahassee is a 10 hour drive from Houston. Columbus may be 17 hours, but 10 isn't "close to home" either.
Upvote just on general principle, since apparently not being super-duper psyched about every single commit is nearly verboten around here.
I hope for the best for the kid, but he's got a tough road to hoe. Not sure I understand the point of
encouraging finding out that Trout, Lisle, whomever we are yet to find out about, to will transfer only to sign a kid who is far more likely to follow that path than to to become the next Darron Lee. I suppose if you don't mind encouraging finding out, then this is just routine business.
A little off topic - about Chase Young, not Wilson - but Birm tweeted about 10 min ago about Maryland commits trying to sway Young to join them. Went to embed the tweet here, but Birm had already deleted it. Is that ... um ... possible?
Or maybe he just didn't know what to do with the Porsche the keys to which he'd been handed. Being able to tune its gearbox to perfection doesn't mean you won't wrap it around the first tree when you get behind the wheel.
It is just as likely Okudah and Browning are trying to introduce chaos to Marvin's life as it is an effort to introduce it to ours.
Yep, that's exactly my interpretation. The tweets are aimed at him, everyone else is just the audience. Time to focus on 2018 DTs.
Do we know what Wilson's salary is? I would love to see OSU offer Schiano and Wilson (should he work out the way I expect he will) 1.5 mil each to keep them around an additional couple of years.
Were mustache rides involved by any chance?