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Comment 06 Dec 2019

Just to make this crystal clear, the boomers own more wealth with less education.  

We'll go down a rabbit hole of conversations that too many on here can't have in a civil manner (not saying you), but this should be obvious to just about anyone.  A high school diploma was all it took for a hell of a lot of boomers to get good, middle class jobs.  That is emphatically not the case today.  For those that did go to college, the amount of debt they came out with was typically zero vs. what we see today too.  Its down that rabbit hole to start discussing the reasons for this, but those basic facts shouldn't be too debatable.

Comment 06 Dec 2019

While it is certainly true that most people could spend their money better than they do, I'm not sure what someone living in a trailer park is supposed to do to materially change that with the $200 they save by going with just a 40" TV.  Satellite TV and a big screen aren't likely in the top 20 of what is keeping people in sub-optimal housing.  From what I understand, the decision to buy a mobile home that won't hold its value and put it on a lot you don't own has got to be near the top of the list.  

Comment 06 Dec 2019

Good points, but can we truly say that LSU is in the same company as the other three you mention?  Yes this year, but not year in and year out like the other three.

Comment 06 Dec 2019

Perhaps discretion is too much my better part of valor, but starting a OSU vs. Michigan fight on their frat row the day of The Game doesn't seem like the best of plans.  Of course, I'm not an internet badass, but maybe that's just me.  

Comment 06 Dec 2019

"For every complex problem, there's a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -H.L. Mencken

Couldn't agree more.  

Recruiting is a huge factor, and so is culture.  Recruiting sets the stage as you mention, but culture keeps the Purdue, Iowa, etc. upsets from happening in The Game.  And a little luck.  JT wasn't short, but he could have been.  Hoke came within one play of getting the win.  2006 certainly could have gone the other way pretty easily too, and those are just a few off the top of my head.  Michigan hasn't gotten any of that Auburn luck.  Not the biggest factor, but not zero either.

Comment 06 Dec 2019

I think it definitely has an effect.  Saw a graphic on where players were from between OSU and Wisconsin and for both teams the vast majority are from the home state.  Probably true for most schools.  Now those might not be the marquee starters, but even if we are only talking about a scout team guy, the better he is, the better the team is.  

As others have pointed out, there are successful programs that have overcome this problem (though most are in football rich states).  Though most people seem to breeze past the holistic nature of program success when bringing up this point.  Just because Auburn has been able to have some success does not invalidate sharing a state as a negative factor in program success.  Everything plays a part, from economic downturn in the state, Detroit's negative reputation, poor coaching hires, sharing a state with MSU, MSU's recent rise, sharing a lop-sided rivalry with one of the two most dominant programs of the last two decades, being next door to that rival's state, etc., etc.

I don't think sharing a state with MSU is top 5 on the list for why TTUN has struggled to have a truly great season in the last 20 years, but it would undoubtedly help them if MSU stopped playing football.

Comment 05 Dec 2019

How much does coming back really get him paid from OSU vs. otherwise?  I don't know what the employment prospects of big name OSU players are after a short stint in the NFL, but the comparison wouldn't be between OSU and some kind of Archie role and nothing.  It'd be between whatever you are envisioning and whatever he could already get now.  I have heard there are plenty of places that will put former buckeye players on payroll without needing much more in qualification.  He's already the #2 rusher in OSU history, how much better can he make his post NFL prospects if he stays another year?  Some, to be sure, but how much?

Comment 05 Dec 2019

I see what you are saying, but I have to wonder if you aren't putting a little much on a conversation that happened when he was 15 (or so).  And I don't mean the importance of the bond between them, or what his father's words would mean to him, but to tie that to the Heisman is what seems like a stretch.  I'm not trying to be a dick, but on what do you base that?  

I may be reading too much into Gus's story, but I'd say the important part of the quote is the, "come back with it."  Plenty of people say things like, "go out and get it," and for most that is all that would need to be said.  Based on Gus's story, the second part is the important part because of the father's experience.  He was a promising athlete who went out and got it, but didn't come back with it.  Of course the 'it' could be anything, but I'd most likely call it general success, not a specific award.  If we were talking about a story where a dead father told his son to go out and win a Heisman or even to go out and be the best college player in the land, I could give more credence to the concept of chasing the Heisman for his father's memory, but I didn't and haven't heard anything like that.  

Comment 05 Dec 2019

Honor?  Does that mean he is somehow dishonorable if he doesn't come back?  We may call something like the heisman trophy an honor, but it is probably better to label it as a 'glory'.  I see nothing particularly honorable or dishonorable in chasing after a specific marker of glory.  The true measure of a decision like that takes a variety of factors to truly evaluate, but chief among them in my mind is the good you can do for those in your life you love who have sacrificed so much for you to be where you are.  I personally could not make such a decision without putting them first in foremost in my mind.  I can't see that as in any way, lacking honor.  At least, not as I define the term.

Comment 05 Dec 2019

I'm making an assumption that financial security may be important to him.  Having a father die in prison isn't exactly a marker for family financial security.  

I made it pretty clear I was making assumptions, that by implications means I know I could be wrong.  Perhaps the Dobbin's are fabulously wealthy.  I don't know and wouldn't know, but most families aren't.  It's fairly safe to assume most people in America don't have the kind of financial security that a top two rounds of the NFL draft can provide, regardless of their circumstances.  Doesn't make them poor.

Comment 05 Dec 2019

Sorry, but this seems like wishful thinking.  I freely admit I don't know his full back story, but going on the knowledge I do have of having a father die in prison at the age of 15, I gotta think financial security for his family out ranks any trophy, even that one.  I know it would in my book, even without whatever hardships he has faced growing up.