Am I remembering incorrectly or wasn't this kid the top rated dual threat QB in the country his senior year in HS? If so are we looking at one of the top ranked QB prospects in recent years facing the possibility of, in the absence of major injury, playing his college career without managing to win a starting job? Don't tell me ratings of HS players aren't a crap shoot. Talent is as talent does or as they used to say the proof is in the pudding.
Frankly comparing what these two players did in camps while in HS is pretty meaningless. Watching Lawrence last season had the feel of watching a generational talent. If he stays healthy I will very much surprised if he is not the first pick in the 2021 NFL draft. Lets hope Fields can continue to be favorably compared to Lawrence as their college careers progress.
I have to chuckle when I imagine how this board would have reacted if OSU had signed this young man out of HS and yet after developing his game at Rutgers he is now apparently the best option the Buckeyes have at left guard despite all the highly ranked recruits sitting on the OSU bench. Recruiting rankings mean a lot when applied in to classes as a whole, but frequently fail at predicting the success or failure of individual players. Hope he has a monster season for the buckeyes.
You are exactly correct. No one with an ounce of brains is going to say something provocative to a sports reporter simply because they are told it will be kept anonymous. In fact the more provocative the comments the more likely the source is to leak out. There are areas in journalism where keeping sources confidential is paramount, sports reporting does not fall into that category. I don't think for a moment that simply because the quotes in the article are bland that they are not real. It just means the coaches providing them are not stupid.
Don't forget some of those awards were for "most improved". That is not the same as best. Someone starting from a low position can be "most improved" simply because they have so much ground to make up and yet still be well short of the best.
There are certainly guys who likely think their success is guaranteed by achieving a high ranking in HS and don't put in the work, but there are also many guys in many sports who develop early and are simply as good in HS as they are ever going to be. I once heard an interview with a professional baseball scout who stated that the most frustrating and difficult part of his job was trying to figure out which 18 year old top prospect was as good at that moment as he was ever going to be verses the guy whose talent would continue to develop through out his twenties. Some guys hit their ceiling in HS and no amount of college training and coaching can change that.
Could not agree more. Never ceases to amaze me how many people think that the world ends in high school. Or that HS rankings of 16 to 18 year old young men who have not finished growing and developing physically and mentally are forever both correct and relevant when talking about men in their twenties. Those ranking are good at spotting the most talented early developers, but they miss tons of talented players who will ultimately grow to become as good or better college and NFL players over time.
Without doing the research to back up what is otherwise simply an impression on my part I believe Hartline is a pretty rare bird. While they exist not very many successful NFL players retire from their professional careers and go into college coaching. That gives him a level of credibility with elite WR recruits that few other college coaches can match. Add to it that he appears to be a genuine coach who can teach what he knows to the players in his charge and you have an asset on the staff that should pay big dividends. I suspect we will see him as a head coach some where in not to many years down the road.
The Michigan defense has had 13 players drafted by NFL teams over the past three seasons. OSU may have more talent overall, but the idea that no one playing for Michigan's defense recently would have been recruited by OSU or could have started for OSU is unlikely. Personally I would like to see who gets on the field this year for OSU at LB and how they perform before I decide where last seasons problems originated. I found it more than a bit jarring for OSU to hire not one, but two coaches from Michigan's staff. Clearly someone thought they were doing something better up there than they were in Columbus despite their inability to actually defeat OSU.
While this is a step in the right direction it is unlikely to have any significant effect on players deciding when to enter the draft. There is more then enough money being paid by agents under the table already, even if fans choose to pretend otherwise, and players still leave early. The NCAA is likely to be very measured in what it allows, if it makes changes at all. There are certainly players whose image is more valuable while they are in college, but no one knows that until after the fact and guys that age are more likely to believe they will excel in the NFL than to assume they have hit their ceiling in college.
If only players drafted in the first round had meaningful NFL careers the league wouldn't have enough players to field eight teams. I go back far enough to recall high impact guys like Charlie Hall, 9th round out of Houston and Brian Snipe, 13th round out of San Diego St. IIRC who were Browns favorites. Guys are drafted based on perceived potential, but none of them, regardless of draft position, have ever played against NFL competition and it is anyone's guess how successful any of them will be at the next level.
Well opinions are not facts and no one knows who will be the first pick next year. Haskins might have gone higher or he might have fallen further. As for injuries those insurance policies are no way comparable to an NFL career. As for long term success the odds are against any college QB becoming a franchise NFL QB regardless of how many games they played in college. I would have done exactly what he did. Throw the dice and see what happens. He has a college degree so why play more college foitball.
I don't see how this differs from Fields leaving Georgia and transferring to OSU. I don't remember all the indignation and predictions of the imminent collapse of society when Justin chose to join the Buckeyes. It is amazing how many fans who wouldn't hesitate to leave their current job for a better opportunity think college football players should abandon their desire to actually play college football and maybe make it to the NFL just to provide roster depth for their favorite team. That reeks of entitlement.
Talent is as talent does. This young man may well be one of those small number of players who could probably have gone from HS to an NFL roster/practice squad. If so expect him to be a major contributor next year. Talent quickly overcomes experience and Wilson appears to have talent to spare.
NFL teams are not dumb. The simple fact is that college football is in no way equivalent to the NFL. No matter how good a player was playing college football there is no guarantee he will be successful playing against NFL teams. Only one thing proves a player can succeed in the NFL and that is actually getting on the field and proving it. Frankly the same thing applies to college football verses HS football. All those four and five star HS football stars who never make a significant impact on a college football field and the three star guys who go on to college and NFL stardom are no different then the high draft picks that fail and the late round pick and udfa's who have highly successful NFL careers. I guess from that perspective college football is pretty dumb too.
I might be wrong, but I don't think there are a lot of college coaches who were truly successful NFL players before turning to coaching. That brings a level of credibility that commands respect not to mention a depth of understanding about playing the position that only comes from first hand experience at the highest level. Combine it with what appears to be a genuine affinity for coaching/teaching and the ability to connect with recruits and you have something special.
The Michigan question is a thought provoker. I would have to say, with some difficulty, that yes if a single football loss to Michigan would come with a guaranteed NCAA men's basketball championship I would be OK with it. Primarily because as much as I would love to see OSU beat Michigan every season forever, that is unrealistic. At some point Michigan is going to snag a win in football so if OSU could pair that loss, whenever it occurs, with a basketball national championship that would be a pretty great consolation. A different question would be would I trade any chance of OSU ever winning a NCAA basketball championship for OSU NEVER losing to Michigan in football again. If that were the trade I am afraid I would have to throw the basketball Bucks under the bus. Sorry guys.
More Kiper brilliance. Projects T-Mac as a first round pick and then describes him as an "under the radar guy". I think he meant to say previously under the radar guy. If you are picked in the first round you don't qualify as under the radar. I do hope he is right regardless. Having Terry picked in round one would be fantastic.
Only one thing proves whether any player can make it in the NFL, actually going out on the field against NFL competition and succeeding. Truthfully nothing Haskins has done up to this point guarantees he will be a successful NFL QB. I am rooting for him to be the QB equivalent of Thomas and Elliot, but time will tell. One thing that has been proven many times over is that success against college competition proves nothing.
We'll the reason OSU exists is to educate students, specifically Ohio residents with the support of Ohio tax payers. I have no problem with out of state students, but all things being approximately equal I would much rather see Ohio kids get those scholarships and have out of state students pay for their education should the want to attend OSU even at the risk of the football team "suffering".
No I haven't lived in Trotwood in a very long time. Grew up and attended school there many moons ago.
Well it is The Ohio State University and for my money (and as an Ohio tax payer I mean that literally) I always prefer to see OSU athletic scholarships go to Ohio kids. You have to recruit to the level that you want to complete, but I will never complain about a strategy that starts with securing commitments from all of the top ten players from Ohio you can get every year.
College football doesn't even come close to being a true farm system. The differences are numerous, but can be illustrated very simply. Name one minor league baseball manger making $7,000,000 annually. College coaches are not paid and college football is not structured to develop players for the major professional leagues. To the extent that occurs in football is a side effect, but one that produces adequate enough results to prevent NFL owners from taking on the very significant cost of funding their own system.
There is no evidence Terry wouldn’t have looked just as good in post season evaluations last year as he does this year and that is what is improving his draft stock. On the other hand I do think Campbell genuinely improved this season. He is the guy who probably actually did raise his draft position this year.
Hope to see him playing every Sunday for years to come.