0-4 They have our number no matter which way you try to twist it. They've owned us.
TTUN has finished 2nd or 3rd 8 of 10 years in the BIG10 overall for recruiting. The only two such years were during coaching changes. RR to Joke and Joke to Jimmy. Safe to say they won't finish 8-14 in the BIG10 since their worst finish in the conference was 5th twice....
Henderson isn't coming here. Edwards is the more likely of the two.
5-7 month full recovery for everyday people. Meaning they can walk unassisted and go about life. But to say 5-7 for someone playing full contact football is ridiculous. Even if he was able to come back he'd have nowhere near the explosion and speed he showed in the past. That takes well over a year to regain. This year is over for him most likely.
Anyone thinking he'll be ready at all this season is nuts. 6 months is best case but he won't be anywhere near 100% for at least a full season.
Meh.. I think the amount of teams desperate or in desire of Burrows talents is much smaller than most assume.
Maybe i'm just cynical but i'd have a hell of a hard time buying Burrow as high as a top10 pick based off a 1 hit wonder season while acknowledging him being a 5th year senior and having very mediocre numbers prior.
Where there is smoke there is fire. Apparently there are acknowledged allegations of this in the past that weren't brought out publicly and apparently he was forcibly moved to a different department rather than terminated or prosecuted.
There was absolutely nothing clear about that being sarcasm jackass. I can read that comment 10 times and not pick up on sarcasm. That's the problem with text vs. actual voice inflection.
Apparently i'm much older than my physical age as I had no idea /s showed sarcasm and i've literally never seen that before anywhere.
Whoever said there is no such thing as a stupid question never met you.
Simply reading anything about this before commenting would point out the guy died in 2008 and retired in 2003. Seeing as he got there in 2015 (7 years after his death...) your question is answered via math and comprehension skills.
A realistic question to ask would be had Harbaugh ever been sent to this doctor while a student athlete by Bo?
And this is why i everytime i read your comments (especially the ones that include "delicious" in them) i cringe and mutter SCUMBAG under my breath.
Welcome to 2020
Yes and it sounds somewhat similiar for TTUN as well. I believe i read somewhere that officials in the 70's were notified of this behavior and rather than fire him or report him they chose to move him to the athletics department. Just shows the difference of today standard vs 10-40 years ago. Which is why i think this won't get as much negative publicity just like Strauss didn't either.
I agree wholeheartedly as this is what i was trying to say myself.
Where i beg to differ is that the "holier than thou" attitude wasn't exclusive to TTUN. I saw plenty of that here as well. And the biggest reason for it or the best way to justify the difference is like you said. Nassar was on staff at the school when it was exposed and MSU officials were trying to cover it up. And then the dumpster fire just went blazing after they literally went wrong move after wrong move.
There should be a 30 for 30 on PR of MSU just to show everyone else what not to do.
It'd be a glass house if there was a cover up ongoing in an active situation the way MSU was. Our situation and TTUN situation is slightly different as these doctors are long gone and both have died.
100% If this can happen at OSU or TTUN it can happen anywhere. Institutions aren't bullet proof against bad people. The difference between MSU, TTUN, or OSU is how they decide to handle these allegations. MSU actively tried covering up an active situation. Strauss and this doctor appear to have been discovered after their deaths unfortunately. I say unfortunately because they can't be punished for their heinous crimes.
It'll be interesting to see if TTUN officials tried covering this up and if any of the active directors or presidents were around at the time of these abuses and if they had first hand knowledge covering it up like they were doing at MSU.
At that point you're really talking about depth. Regardless he was on the backside of the violations. His first two seasons were underwhelming and had that blocked field goal not happened PSU probably would've got pummeled into 6-6 just as TTUN had done them earlier. Those two events saved Franklin his job because i'm pretty sure without a BIG title that season he doesn't make it past last year. His record against the other three in East is not pretty.
Yes he was but he was on the backside of all that. I think a lot of forget how pivotal that 2016 season was for both Franklin and Harbaughs legacies are careers in the BIG10. 2 events happened that season which has basically locked in our opinions of these guys. PSU blocked that field goal against us to beat us in HV a few weeks after being blown out by TTUN. Had TTUN won that Double OT game against us which was their best and only real shot under Harbaugh we'd be viewing both of them very differently.
1) We probably wouldn't be laughing or have as much shit to talk about Harbaugh as he would've had a BIG title and likley in the CFP.
2) Had Franklin's team not blocked that kick and us win the Double OT game Franklin would've been fired by now. He was on the hot seat last year and somehow managed to luck his way into an 11 win season this year.
There are only 3 assistant coaches making north of 2 million so no there aren't any assistants in the BIG making more than him. That said Locksley has no business making this much or being a HC period. Mel Tucker is going to be the next Mike Locksley.
Correction: 4-5 games
He wanted the job when the money truck came backing in. I watched his speech at his introduction press conference and i was not impressed with his enthusiasm or preparation. Sounded like a guy who wasn't prepared and took the job simply because the pay was too good to pass on.
I'm failing to see what your point is about the 6-7 of the last 10 and 8 of 12. Considering you copied my sentence into your post where i acknowledged that already. That decade or more specifically 12 years doesn't really wipe out 100 other meetings and a record in which TTUN owns them 71-36. Even in the last 70 years TTUN is 38-27 and that includes that 12 year period. Take that out and its still 34-19. My point is 10 years or 12 years it doesn't knock out "little brother" status for MSU. They got the better of them for a short period in a long rivalry and the rivalry appears to have tilted back in TTUN favor.
I'd put that more to the rise of Harbaugh bringing competency and credibility back to their damaged program. MSU took advantage of two of the three worst coaches they've had since 1937. I called it when he got hired that MSU and Dantonio would crumble within 3 years. If MSU didn't have that miracle botched punt against them TTUN would be 4-1 vs them since Harbaugh arrived and Dantonio and MSU never get a chance at the CFP.
Michigan doesn't have the sheen from the 90's and mid 2000's but they are no currently a top10-15 program and are recruiting pretty well around top10 year in and year out. They are nowhere on our level of recruiting but clearly top kids want to go there enough. I don't know that they can ever get back to what they were but they're a top tier 2 level program.
I don't see Fickell being able to get over that hump. We've got to remember that Dantonio did all of his damage when both PSU and TTUN were on life support. There's not enough room in this division for all 4 of those programs and MSU doesn't have the cache to stick around. Fickell would need to be Urban Meyer level good as a coach to insert them and I already saw him at OSU and it wasn't pretty. He made a smart move avoiding that dumpster fire.
And also just like we kick them constantly. We all do it nobody is clean here.
I don't understand how they could view us as a rival. Being competitive and stealing a game or two over the last 5-10 years doesn't make us rivals in any way. We've mostly owned them for 60 years with little to no anymosity. I think they hate just about everyone mainly because they don't get a lot of respect (deservedly so as they've been mediocre at best for 50 years prior to 2010) and teams like Wiscy, TTUN, PSU, and us get so much respect and love nationally.
The guy is certainly competent and a pretty good coach. Certainly not elite as of now due to his record against us and other big opponents at TTUN. He's had 2 losing seasons in 16 years and those were the first 2 years of a rebuild at Stanford who lost 11 games the year before and i believe had like 13 or 14 losing seasons in their last 20 years. He's also won 70% of his games over his career. I think our disdain for the program and his genuine weirdness makes our view toward him exaggerated. Both his predecessors had losing seasons and little improvement.
That and i doubt Fick would've had great success there just because of the strength of the conference. I'm sure he'd snag a few wins against TTUN. But just because Sparty got the better part of a decade would not inherently make the "big brother". They are still very much little brother in that rivalry. Every so often little brother can get the best of big brother but in the end big brother takes back what is theirs. As they have now gone 3-1 in the last 4 seasons i'd say they are back in control and i really don't see this new hire changing that either.
I don't think MSU success or failure affects TTUN that much. It's more to do with their success or failure that allows MSU to fall or rise. MSU can't be good as long as TTUN has a competent coach. There's a reason Dantonio was MSU first +60% win pct coach since Clarence Munn in 1952.
Harbaugh is far from elite but he's a good solid coach that's more than competent. And you simply can't say that about RR or Hoke.
All of MSU success came at the embarassing fall of TTUN and PSU. Once those two got back to their traditional rate of success it was game over for them. I noted that once Harbaugh got to TTUN that MSU would fall rather quickly as he'd keep the in state talent and start to turn that rivalry around. TTUN with a competent coach will always over power schools like MSU. It's partly one of the reasons they are still considered a blue blood. They're not elite but certainly still a brand and a blue blood of the sport.