the problem with this premise is that in professional baseball you have way too many things like guarantees on salaries and player bonuses, the PA will sue the shit out of the league because they can't PROVE that the cheating actually worked. The Astros had the best road record in baseball that year out of every team and a better road record then home record which is the only place they used the system. I agree what they did was egregious but you can't ban them from the playoffs, a lot of the players on the team now weren't on the team then and then what about the players that drove this system but are now somewhere else? they get to get off scott free? it just can't and won't happen
No offense but I don't think you understand how things work. The owner didn't actually have to fire either of them and could have just made them sit the suspension out...so then what? so people like you can say OH OH OH I bet they are coaching in the back ground their cheating their cheating. Firing them was a huge deal and huge blow to the organization and if you think they will just pick up where they left off then I don't really know what to say to you because that isn't how it works
No offense but Texas is in no way TTUN or even remotely close. I'm sure your disdain for Herman has something to do with your comment. Texas unlike TTUN does and can recruit elite athletes and have been far more relevant than TTUN of late. The difference between the two is that Texas has the talent and resources to get back to elite and CFP contender far faster and easier than TTUN, for TTUN to get there it will have to be a whole sale change from top to bottom.
I live in Houston and I can tell you we DO NOT WANT THIS KID, serious serious character issues. There is so much more than the altercation with the coaches, a couple of teammates and the phone deal at state. you KNOW the coaches had to be fed up if the night before the Texas 6A Division I state Championship they send the kid home for not turning his phone in. That game is the the biggest game in the state from the largest schools in the largest division. It's like watching two teams full of nothing but 3,4 and 5* kids. This kid needs serious help and mentoring. He is a very me first type individual.
Man this is actually a pretty tough question, I have watched a significant amount of tape on most of the players coming in and without being hyperbolic I really think this could be the best class we could see for a long time. Here is my list in order of impact
1. Julian Fleming- this is after reading yesterday's 247 UA AA game practice thread where they were identifying the Alpha of Alpha's and they said it was Julian Fleming separating himself from everyone else...that says A LOT
2. Paris Johnson jr.- This guy could be the second coming of Orlando Pace but more athleticism
3. Jaxon Smith Njigba- This kid has SERIOUS SERIOUS upside and is very mature
4. Gee Scott Jr- someone I have been calling Mr. DFO ( Mr. Day F'ing One) because he will absolutely make an impact Day F'ing One, I don't know if I've ever seen a more focused, determined, hard working young man.
5. CJ Stroud- this kid is special, VERY Special, I would even say he is a Justin Fields but better passer
6. Lejond Cavosos- man, this kid is going to help continue to elevate us as the real DBU.
6a- Ryan Watts - Both of these young men will push each other to be the absolute best.
7. Kourt Williams- Yet another potential for a special special linebacker
this class has so much potential it's scary and with what happened Saturday night and the level of anger the guys coming back will have...oh man. If we aren't pre season number 1 then there is something seriously wrong with people who do the rankings
This might be the best summation I've seen about the officiating and how it effects subconscious bias and decision making. I live in Texas and I can 100% tell you that nobody down here thinks anyone from north of the Mason dixon line knows how to play football and the view of the B1G is about the same as the PAC12. They literally think its powder puff football.
When I was in the Marine Corps I was in a recon unit and we were attached to an intelligence unit. We took a class called the Psychology of intelligence analysis and how all the decisions we make are rooted in our subconscious and how and where we were raised. that truly being objective is almost impossible and that is why there has to be a system of checks and balances when coming to conclusions that matter and can effect change. Anyone that thinks that the SEC crew didn't have a subconscious bias is bias themselves. They may not have overtly meant to make decisions but their orb of life allowed that bias to effect how they made decisions Saturday night
I tossed and turned thinking about this scenario for about 1 sec. I have a close friend and former business partner who swam at Clemson ( they no longer have a swim team due to title IX) and we watched the 2016 game together and after Saturday night and his tweets to me after the game I don't think I've ever wanted to see a team curb stomped so bad that it has every player and coach for Clemson on the ground sucking their thumbs after the game. I hate LSU but like the old saying goes "the enemy of my enemy is a friend" ...I have affectionately started referring to Clemson as "Dicks in South Carolina" or "DISC" ...I am so sick of Dabo Swinney and his aw shucks I'm just a good ole boy from the south shtick. GEAUX JEAUX and GEAUX TIGERS!
THIS might be the absolute BEST post in this thread and there is no GIF that sums up my feelings better than this. Well f'ing done GTH.
This is what I listen to right before the game starts, a little different
M83 - Outro
Mother - Danzig
Yep, where the same tshirt for Buckeye games this year sooooo....pretty sure we are rolling because of this
Les Miles will never Coach at TTUN, ever. there is SERIOUS hatred for that man from them, the people that matter and the people that make those decisions.
you lost me when you were equating the Bengals to doing the right or smart thing. I have been a LiFE long Bengals fan, 45 years and I still don't or probably will never understand that organization. The Brown family firmly gives ZERO F's
Blu, thanks for stopping in, was curious to see how long it would be and it was faster than I thought. Kudos to you. I'll respond to your talking points
1. Talent gap, it's HUGE, Speed gap is HUGE but beyond that the biggest concern I see and former TTUN players I know see this as the biggest is talent development. You guys are struggling to get in the real "Studs" and the ones you do are not being developed into ELITE players. Coach Mick is where this all starts and stops for us, THAT man is who sets the tone for our 100% complete and total domination of teams. I truly believe he may be the most valuable person in our system. Something has to change in that department for you guys, Strength and Conditioning
2. Preparation, first off let's discuss Fields and the online classes. more and more universities are moving to online classes, it allows them to not have to "grow" from and administration standpoint on sight and can handle more students. My wifes best friend is the Chair of the English and Criminal Justice Depts at a University near us and she is hiring more and more professors to proctor and evaluate online the students to handle online classes than she can keep up with. Second the people discussing the online classes being able to be cheated thru or rife for abuse forget Fields first offer was from Harvard and first P5 offer was from Northwestern and he was offered from Duke and a few other HIGH HIGH academic schools. Fields had a 3.9gpa and scored a 29 on the ACT. He has a father who is a police officer who runs a tight tight household and holds Justin to a HIGH standard. It is just not in his DNA to be "that guy". Thirdly in respects to the online classes and spending more time on football. The NCAA regulates how much time a team can practice each week. it is the same for all schools and they watch this CLOSELY because they do not want to turn schools into sports factories. So the idea that he is out practicing with the team or anything is not happening. Now he could be studying film privately or reviewing his playbook sure, but what student athlete doesn't
3. Mistakes- games are all riddled with mistakes and each team has the opportunity to take those and overcome them, case in point our game against Penn State, we looked like the Keystone Cops in the third quarter but we didn't get down on ourselves and let them define us. We overcame that adversity and handled our business, that is closely related to the culture of a program and something I think TTUN is struggling with. I was seriously disappointed in seeing the shoe business and the really late hit, there is no room in THE GAME for that. I know emotions run REALLY high in this game but to see two players attempting to take a players shoe off is just childish. I know you agree.
4. I know you said luck didn't play a part in the game but let me say this I raced and coached Ironmans for over 12 years and I use to tell all my athletes the night before their big race or Ironman that I don't wish people luck because luck is for the ill prepared. I firmly believe our approach to training for the game is at an elite level and we prepare better for it. it is an obsession. We prepare to go out an execute at a high level for this game and they have already started for next years game.
lastly- my tone may have come off a little harsh but I can assure you it wasn't meant to be at all. I have a ton of respect for this rivalry and have close friends that are graduates from TSUN, hell one of my closest friends is Jim Harbaughs next door neighbor and an alum. My Dads best friend played for Bo in the 70's. right now you guys are at point where it can either change or get drastically worse for the foreseeable future. SOMETHING has to change for you guys. I also think that you guys will be way better off without Shea Patterson, his ego doesn't match his abilities and I also think he is not a great leader. Dylan has a higher upside and makes me a little more nervous than Shea did. IF Dylan can get his throws on target he is going to be formidable over the next 2 years.
I really appreciate you coming in and having the balls to discuss with us the game and your level headed responses. You're a good man.
THIS, I never ( in school then) said one word about anything other than how much I hated John Cooper. my oldest son went to a private school where we live and it was The John Cooper School and it burned my ass we wrote a check that had that name on it every year. No it was not OUR John Cooper but still.
I'm super blessed, my wife of 21 years is from Texas and is a HUGE football lover. She understands that Thanksgiving week is very up and down for me. She knows the stress I feel over the game. She Wears Scarlet and Gray on game day. thankfully all three of my kids get it, the oldest is a freshman in college at Texas A&M and even he wears Buckeye gear all the time. My two at home still are Buckeye die hards as well. the only thing is my wife doesn't understand how I can hate a school or state so much.
Good question and should get some interesting responses. Man this one is a tough one though. I'll give a list of 5 that if ANY of them showed up I'd be happy to hang with
1. Eddie George - this one is personal actually because he hit on my girlfriend when he was with the Houston Oilers. She worked at Gucci in the Galleria and he would come by and ask her out all the time. We aren't together anymore but it would be fun to say hey remember this woman? haha
2. Chris Spielman - This is the Buckeye that that really solidified my love for the team and school when I was in junior high. I mean I was already a die hard but something about him and his dominance. I cut out EVERY picture I could find of him from Sports Illustrated and the newspaper and hang them on my bedroom walls.
3. Terry McLaurin- Just a phenomenal young man and athlete. I really believe he will go down as one of the greatest leaders the Buckeyes have ever had.
4. Maurice Clarett - Just because of his story and everything he's dealt with. I love that he has turned his life around.
5. Jim Tressel - I mean who wouldn't want to sit and talk to him about the game and discuss how he built the architecture that would become the dominance that it is today. I mean he is the man that righted the ship and captained it into smooth waters.
consolation - Archie Griffin, Craig Krenzel, David Boston and AJ Hawk
way more nervous than last year
I think the idea that TTUN has all of a sudden become a juggernaut needs to be tempered in that the teams that you have played are not elite, ND game was a mess and you guys jumped out early on them and they felt the pressure bad, the weather worked in your favor as did Home Field advantage. MSU is just terrible, Indiana doesn't have the same defensive abilities as some of the better teams and nowhere near PSU. Right now the best football that you guys have played is the second half of the PSU game. As for your comment on OSU's offense being better, are you comparing us to last year or TTUN. last year? maybe but at the same time we are way more balanced and with Fields ability to run the way he can is really scary. We have the highest 3rd down conversion rate not only this year but in the last decade at 58%, THAT is something that should concern TTUN. Yes, Haskins has a better arm but you forget that Fields won the MVP at the Elite 11 competition over Trevor Lawrence and the recruiting director is on record saying he would mortgage his house on Fields and is the most impressive QB he is has worked with possibly ever. Fields reminds me of Vince Young where he never looks stressed or in severe strain. This kid is at another level of ability. This is the most complete team from tOSU that you guys maybe have ever faced, at least in the last 10 years.
Ah my kindred souls and brothers from those dark years. Dreams of national championships dashed and every year watching that blue and urine celebrate. I like may Cooper era "survivors" will NEVER take a win for granted and NEVER be ok with anything other than pure dominance against them. They can suck a big fatty as far as I am concerned. F TTUN!
I live in Texas and the only part of the state that OU has a firm grip is the DFW area, It's like OU south. The rest of the state is predominately Texas and Texas A&M. DFW area produces a LOT of exceptional talent that is for sure but A&M is starting to take from that market recently.
I'm in that boat as well. I hate TTUN but respect the fact that they are our rival and a strong TTUN makes the B1G better but Penn State can Suck A D$*&, I absolutely hate them.
This guy is the biggest douche bag coach in the B1G, his subtle jabs at our players by not referring to them by name like Dobbins "Their running back", GTFOH Franklin, I am hoping for a firm curb stomping Saturday.
Thought the exact same thing when he mentioned his Uncle, like it was a tell. He's gonna get curb stomped
I have never been one to make predictions or talk about my "feelings" for any Buckeye game, ever. I seriously fear I'm going to jinx it. even to Rutgers, I won't say we will win. As for the Penn State game I tend to fear them more than TTUN for some reason, Nerves don't grip them like the pressure in THE GAME does to TTUN. I will say I've never felt this confident in a Buckeye team in I don't know how long and I'm 45yrs old.