everyone that backs this team knew we were in trouble.
The first 23 predictions are all for OSU. Good for #24 Dgeneral.
I don't see the coincidence. You're acting like they only struggled twice all season. Troy, Auburn, Alabama, Florida State, Louisville all gave them trouble, too. Some huddled, some didn't.
1978, while I agree with you that line play and Elliot were the key to 2014 (not qb play), I think Jones only led OSU to two of their three best wins. Barrett played against MSU, and MSU was much better than Wisconsin. Honestly, Wisconsin wasn't tough. The only ranked team they beat all year (year-end rankings) was #22 Auburn. They were a paper tiger.
ProFootballFocus might, but it's subscription.
Interesting debate between Gary and Bosa. You may be on to something. Bosa made more impact in his first season. ProFootballFocus, which is awfully empirical and based "on the evidence," has Bosa #17 returning player in the country. Gary didn't make the top 25.
But, people at other publications have faith in Gary. SI has Bosa #35 in college football, Gary #22. NFL.com has Bosa at #32 and Gary at #9. Sportsonearth (whatever that is??) has Bosa at #45 and Gary at #36. ESPN has Gary #38 and Bosa didn't make the top 50. Sporting News has Bosa #32 and Gary #14.
Neither player made Athlon's top 50 countdown.
Do you think the faith in Gary is just residual recruiting hype? Or do you think he flashed more potential last year, but didn't play as many snaps?
Do you (or anyone) know of an online resource where we can find out how many snaps a defensive player played? When a D line rotates likes Michigan's did last year or like OSU's will this year, I'd like to know what percentage each player is getting.
Over the past five years, he's 60-9
Right, he hired Morris 5 years ago, in 2011. He was 19-15 before Morris. No track record of success and all of a sudden, 60-9 since.
Ok, he's an excellent CEO. That's what he brings to the table. So, you're saying he's a Gene Chizik. Bad record trying to run his own schemes (87th, 74th and 88th in total offense with his own scheme even though he's an offense side coach.) Scrap your own system and hire an innovative coach to run it for you. Win a title. Watson is his Cam Newton. Chad Morris is his Malzahn.
It was a 4 yard penalty. Play was at the 8 yard line. Half the distance to the goal.
So, what does Swinney bring to the table? I know what his coordinators can do. Swinney has no track record of success for us to evaluate. Fell ass-backwards into this job. Meyer had success at MAC, MWC, SEC and B1G schools. What is Swinney good at?
I wonder about Swinney's x and o competence. I just don't know what he brings to the table. His history is on the offense. (WR coach) He was the (full-time) head coach for Clemson starting in 2009. His first two years, they went 15-12. Offenses were ranked 74th and 88th. Not great. Then he brings in Chad Morris to install a new offense. They start winning more, but that's Morris' offense. Then, his defense gets humiliated by WVU in the Orange Bowl, so he hires Brent Venable to fix the defense. So, the offense is Morris' design and the defense is Venables. What exactly does Swinney bring to the table? Recruiting? Identifying good assistants? Is he a play caller? Does anyone know if he is more of a CEO or an active game day tactician?
That being said, I think the culture and overall mindset behind our program won us that game.
I disagree completely. There's more data points out there. Michigan had a late lead against Michigan St., and lost. Michigan had a late lead against Iowa, and lost. And, Ohio State. And, Florida State. He almost blew Minnesota in 2015, too, but as 11W posters know, his poor coaching was bailed out by Claeys' immortal time management blunder. There's a trend here and it doesn't involve Ohio State's culture. It is Harbaugh's conservatism in tight games. To make the claim that the winning side's culture was the difference maker, you'd have to identify what all the teams have in common. But, Jimbo's a hot head. Ferentz is the most conservative coach in the game. Dantonio is a seemingly sane person except on Michigan game day.
It's not just Harbaugh's offensive play calling. Apparently, it's defensive strategy, too. Cook at Mgoblog was irritated that "Michigan did not amp it up; they rushed four, played zone, and generally abandoned the approach that had seen them dominate three quarters of the game." There's starting to be ample evidence that Harbaugh's late game strategies are failing him, regardless of opponent's culture. The only time he has held on to a late lead was Wisconsin this year.
Your memory of the situation is foggy. First, Michigan never led 14-3. They led 3-0, 10-7 and 17-7.
Second, Hooker intercepted Speight on 1st down. Baker intercepted Speight on 2nd down. No third down picks.
When Michigan was "backed up inside their endzone," (the Hooker interception) they led 3-0. When Baker intercepted Speight, they led 17-7, and they were not in their endzone. The play began at the Michigan 26 yard line.
Here's a link to the play by play info: http://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=400869650
Agree with this as well,
Agreed. Clemson and Michigan State have beaten Meyer's teams multiple times and they don't recruit anywhere near OSU levels. It's more about gameplan on gameday. Swinney and Dantonio have proven they can outcoach Meyer, but Harbaugh hasn't yet.
Here's an example that I think demonstrates my point. I was amazed by was Penn State's plan this past year. Their best player is clearly Barkley. You'd think that when playing #2 OSU, they would try to get the ball in his hands as often as possible. Yet, he only rushed the ball 12 times (his second lowest amount all year). The gameplan was avoid the DLine and challenge the secondary. They ended up hitting 4 "explosive" passes (20 yards or more). They hit another 19 yard pass, too. But, Harbaugh (vs. OSU) was content to run his lumbering running back into the line 21 times for 3 ypc. His style of coaching is a bit too conservative. Sometimes you need to be aggressive when you're playing a team with more talent.
By the way, did anyone notice how mediocre Clemson's "stars" ranking was for the classes that beat OSU this year? From 2013-2016, they only had one top ten class.
I agree. I haven't enjoyed any of Joan Niesen's off-season top tens. But, as she said in her first one "I apologize in advance for omitting your favorite memory (or, going forward, your favorite quarterback, linebacker, mascot, etc.). Forgive me. I cannot please everyone. In fact, I may not please many. "
So, hiring Chip Kelly in 2007 is on the list, but Alabama hiring Nick Saban on January 3, 2007 is not? Alabama has been the most successful college football program over the last ten years.
According to this timeline piece, Alabama wanted Spurrier or Saban. Spurrier withdrew his name from consideration. Alabama wanted Saban, but also had meetings with Greg Schiano and Rich Rodriguez. After not hearing from Saban's agent in a timely fashion, Alabama panicked and offered Rodriguez. That fell through. Then, Alabama wisely decided to wait it out with Saban instead of offering Schiano or anyone other than Saban.
Very true. Barrett's 2016 stats were distorted. Meyer was clearly trying to work out the passing game kinks against overmatched opponents. Remember, OSU was terrible passing the ball in 2015 (100th nationally in yards/game.) Meyer was determined to fix this, so he purposely threw the ball a ton at the beginning of 2016 against bad teams to get Barrett and the receivers in rhythm. For instance, OSU threw the ball 39 times against Bowling Green. That was the most passes BGU faced in any game in 2016. OSU threw the ball 36 times against Rutgers (second most of RU's opponents in 2016 behind Indiana's 41 attempts). Meyer threw the ball way more than necessary and ran up the score against the worst teams on the schedule, but the extra practice didn't really help Barrett improve down the stretch.
Personally, I'm not interested in if Dabo can "prove it." I'm more interested if Meyer can get over the Dabo hump. 0-2
Is this a joke I'm missing? Ricky Slade was Vince Vaughn's character from Made. Is that what you're referencing? Was this discussed last year or something?
Since Riley has only been at Nebraska two seasons, what's the point of going back 4 years in Nebraska WR record books? 4 years ago had nothing to do with Riley. Perhaps you should look also at the averages for the best receiver at Oregon State when Riley was coach there, with his recruits.
In 2013 Brandin Cooks caught 128 (128!!!) passes. Cooks was a tiny 5'10" WR, just like Lindsey. In 2014, the leading Oregon St. WR was Victor Bolden, 5'9". He caught 72 passes that year. Lindsey could be the next Cooks if Riley gets the right QB to lead the attack. (FYI, Nebraska has recruited 4* tall, Pro-Style QBs in both 2016 and 2017, not unlike Oregon State's Sean Mannion)
There was also talk that Nebraska was more of a pass oriented team and so would fit him better, but OSU actually passed for more yards last year
I'm sure that the Nebraska downturn in passing stats had to do with the fact that Riley inherited a bad passing QB in Armstrong. When Riley was at Oregon State, back in the Sean Mannion days, they threw the ball over 500 times per season. More attempts means more opportunities for a receiver.
In 2013, they threw it 625 times (4th most attempts, 3rd most yards in the nation.) When Riley has his offense in place, they throw a lot. In contrast, the most times OSU has thrown the ball in a season since Meyer arrived was 2016 (409 attempts.)
I agree that OSU's passing offense will improve with Wilson. Though, if you're talking about a 2017 WR recruit, why focus solely on "QB's incoming??" The QBs most likely throwing to them will come from the 2014, 15, 16, 17, 18 recruiting classes. We know what Speight and Barrett bring to the table. But, in terms of pure speculation of who might be better? Michigan's 2014-17 QB recruits were generally ranked a little higher than OSU's
2014- Collier (.8588) vs Speight (.8728) (UM)
2015- Burrow (.8970) vs. Malzone (.8984) (UM)
2016- Haskins (.9550) vs Peters (.9674) (UM)
2017- Martell (.9718) vs McCaffrey (.9416) (OSU)
Tough to include 2018 because Jones is still a year away from signing and we don't know who Michigan might sign.
Of course, Shane Morris was rated significantly higher than JT Barrett, so rankings aren't always the best predictors. My point is I think that Michigan and OSU actually match up quite similarly. The both have numerous 4 stars competing and notable QB gurus leading their squads.
I thought it was accepted practice to use 247 composite scores for "ranking" discussions, as it is the most comprehensive look at a recruit. Anyway, Harris is ranked lower than Martin on 247 composite. (28th vs 30th)