What is Zach Smith really like?
So far from the truth, it's pathetic.
Full-ride athletic scholarships are only available in six college sports:
Which means the majority of spring athletes are paying to play their sport. So offering them a fifth year is like saying, "Hey, you just won the lottery without buying a ticket. We're gonna give you $20k but you're going to have to buy the ticket now. That'll be $20k up front."
Exactly. The NCAA only exists because the member schools made it so. It only has the power that the member schools give it. It can't make a sweeping decision to extend a fifth season to all spring sports athletes unless a majority of the member schools agree to it.
The schools fund the majority of the scholarships themselves. The NCAA funding is only a portion of that. The NCAA also funds student study programs and a number of other programs with that money. It isn't all for scholarships.
Do you actually think the NCAA only employs 10 people.
No. They employ 500, who are tasked with supporting over 460,000 college athletes on 19,000 teams that send more than 54,000 participants to compete each year in the NCAA's 90 championships in 24 sports. Most of the NCAA's committees are actually made up by coaches, ADs and administrators from the member schools.
Some would go pro,
We're talking spring sports. How many softball, baseball, men's/women's lacrosse and men's volleyball players are going pro?
Spot on BrutusB. This wasn't a catastrophe of the NCAA's making. I don't think most people appreciate how much money the NCAA actually gives to member schools, or what that money is used for. Most of their revenue comes from the NCAA basketball tournament in the form of the CBS TV rights deal and ticket sales. No tourney, no revenue. shutting down March Madness hurt the NCAA more than anyone can understand.
I told my wife one of the cable networks should run Groundhog Day for 24 hours straight the way TBS does A Christmas Story because the days feel like they are beginning to blur together.
When I was deployed on an aircraft carrier after the Sep 11 attacks, when Feb rolled around the media department on the ship decided to dedicate one channel of ship's movies to Groundhog Day. Because, that's what everyone called shipboard life: groundhog day. So for the 28 days of Feb 2002, you could watch Groundhog Day 24/7.
The scholarship limit, funding, and potential future second and third order effects of offering spring athletes another year of eligibility are some of the biggest challenges in this whole idea. I recently spoke with a D1 college lacrosse player. He was telling me how negatively it could effect their whole team if the NCAA went thru with this. Incoming freshman would be unfairly disadvantaged by four classes of athletes ahead of them sticking around one more year. You would also have to address the inequity between the various conferences, some of which do not allow a fifth year of eligibility in non-revenue sports, unless it's a medical redshirt.
I agree that it would be really nice for the seniors to get one last ride - I'm dealing with the same issue on the HS team I coach, where they didn't even get to play a single live game - but there's what you want to do, and what you can do. And sometimes what you want to do has so many potential unintended negative consequences, that it would negatively affect more student athletes than it would "help." In reality, most spring athletes are paying for a portion of their college. With only 12.6 scholarships per team, it's pretty hard to field a track, lacrosse, baseball or softball team. Very few of these kids are on full rides, so they'd have to pay to come back and play anyways.
Concur that no one should be left out. But I do believe the more fickle fans deserve to eat a little crow on this one. They also should consider being a little less critical of every perceived down moment, and take a longer view of things.
Hard to say that with Smith. His issues weren’t with recruiting.
It fails to acknowledge, as the article stated multiple times, that Alford missed on his alpha back for three years in a row and has left our RB room in a state where we needed a grad transfer just to have a RB with a start.
That blade cuts both ways, Sniper. Those who were calling for Alford to move on failed to acknowledge that these aren’t “dogs” who can just be bought and sold. They’re 17-18 year old kids who make decisions of their own. No team gets their #pick at every position every year.
As for the state of the running back room needing a grad transfer for next season, what does that say about OSU’s QB coach two years ago? Where would the Buckeyes have been last season without a transfer to start?
Attendance would take a big hit.
This is probably one of the biggest factors for the majority of schools. Late August and early September games can be brutal in the stands already. It may be 80 air temp, but inside the concrete cathedral with 100k fans it feels like 100.
I'll add one more point to Berserkr's response, the numbers I provided are not "unique" athletes, meaning some of them are likely multi-sport athletes. There's no guarantee that the top 15% all go off to play collegiate lacrosse. Guys like Sam Hubbard, or Pat Spencer (4 year lax player for Loyola who was playing hoops this year at Northwestern), aren't the only ones out there that end up making a choice between sports.
Exactly. Where are those critics? There's a big ole bucket of crow waiting.
Buckeyes are still likely #1. https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-football-best-winning-percentages-vs-Top-25-in-2010s-144430120/#144430120_8
Great points, CC. I think the other piece that people miss regarding recruiting is the vastly uneven playing field there is regarding scholarships in lacrosse. With only 12.6 athletic scholarships allowed per team, very few players are on full rides. But the Ivy League (and Patriot League & some ACC schools) have an advantage; many of them meet a students full financial need with need based aid. So, if you/your family can only afford $20k a year for college (according to the FAFSA), Harvard picks up the tab for the rest. Throw in a partial athletic scholarship, and you college degree is close to paid for. MIT and Tufts do the same thing at the Div 3 level. So a kid playing lax at OSU is probably paying $11,000 to $12,000 a year to play lacrosse (little to no need based aid offered), but if he went to an Ivy, or Lehigh, Loyola, Hopkins or Lafayette, he might be going to a top engineering school for the same amount of money or less.
Only 4 of the 73 D1 programs currently in existence are further west than Ohio State.
There's a few more than four, but most of them aren't competitive. Denver, Air Force, Marquette, ND, Utah and Belarmine. Oh, and the Club Team Up North is technically 'west' of Columbus.
HS Football participation dropped by 10% nationwide over the last decade. Some of that is parents, some of that is the financial burden on smaller high schools. Although, at just over 1 million participants it remains the largest sport in the US by a wide margin. Interestingly, if drill down in to the regions, states like AL and GA are seeing a 20-30% increase in HS football participation.
But, as you pointed out, HS boys' lacrosse is the second fastest growing sport in the US, with 28% growth in the last decade.
How have @NFHS_Org high school sports participation numbers changed over the past decade? Big gains in a number of sports, including lacrosse. 10% drops in football and women's basketball participation. pic.twitter.com/LJO5IndXXX— NCAA Research (@NCAAResearch) August 29, 2019
OSU had two Tuesday games scheduled this year and more Sundays than Saturdays.
HS Boys' Lacrosse is played in 25 states at 3026 schools by 113,702 participants (as of 2018/19 school year).
74 colleges and universities play men's lacrosse at the Div 1 level. 75 teams play Div 2, and 248 play Div 3.
Men's lacrosse is played with 10 players on the field. Most college teams have 35-45 players on their roster.
No. The NCAA limit for Div 1 lacrosse is 12.6 equivalent scholarships. Even splitting those in half, you can't effectively field a full team. The vast majority of college lacrosse players pay to play.
A kid from our son's HS team was recruited to play goalie at Loyola (MD), which is a very good lacrosse school. Because he plays a specialist position, he got about a half scholarship for athletics. But, because of his academics, Loyola was able to offer him a decent financial aid package that other schools might not. If he becomes the starter (only a sophomore now), he will be offered a full ride athletic scholarship, which is the brass ring in lacrosse. You don't see many of those.
In MD the best athletes play lacrosse first then filter to other sports. In Ohio the best athletes have a pigskin or basketball in their hands.
A good analog to this dilemma is how Trinidad and Tobago can beat the US Men's National Team in World Cup soccer.
Rewatch the video and don't stop until after the play is over. Zeke looks a little gimpy as he trots back to the sideline, and he keeps looking to the coaches and tapping his right thigh. My guess is he might have strained his quad on that run, and they didn't want it to get worse with the NCG coming up.
Beserkr - are you tracking the WL's (formerly the FIL) push to get lacrosse back in the Olympic Games. That might be an interesting topic. Exposure to the game will definitely help grow the sport internationally. I'm not sure I care for the International rules, but I could probably grow to like them.