I think Oklahoma mercifully gets a year off unless the playoff committee has absolutely no choice but to put them in (i.e. undefeated, or 1 loss with no other 1 loss teams to compare).
Fair enough! As you mentioned, I didn't watch the whole game so I'm just judging based on the five or so seconds I saw. I guess my issue is with how wide the blanket is for targeting now. For example, the play that got Joey Bosa ejected from his last CFB game. You can definitely argue that he should have been ejected for hands to the face, but on the other hand one mistake ending someone's CFB career, or changing the game for OSU against Clemson more recently, just runs me the wrong way. But maybe that's more my issue to get over than it is CFB's? I'm not sure.
As you said, the point of my post wasn't whether Clemson wins without those calls, they lose either way. I did watch an extended highlight clip of the game that featured those penalties. Personally I felt Clemson got what was coming to them. That being said, I also think at least two of the LSU TD receptions involved the same exact hand movement the Clemson WR used.
I also personally don't agree with you on the targeting call. I'm not asking this to be a jerk, but putting the fact that none of us like Clemson aside, you wouldn't be angry if OSU had a player ejected for that hit? I thought it was a legitimate football tackle. My issue with Clemson players is all the nonsense they do after the whistle.
Forum Post 14 Jan 2020
That really frustrated me as well. You have to expect the unexpected in these games, and the one thing Clemson did in the playoffs last year that they hadn't done much this year during the regular season was run Lawrence. So many people mentioned that going into the game, I don't think it was a shocker. The only thing that was surprising to me was how bad he made the OSU defensive backs and LB crew look.
I love urban and everything he did for Ohio State...but there are too many examples of him not having his team prepared to say this is on Day because he’s a 1st year coach. Iowa, Purdue, MSU a couple times, and Clemson 31-0.
Not sure why you got downvoted for what is obviously the right take. You can't say "Urban holds people accountable and Day needs to too," when Day's team played better against Clemson than Meyer's did the last time. It's not even close.
Did he watch the same Florida team I did? Aside from being 45th in the country in offense, they were like watching an offense from the 90s.
I think we'll see whether OSU is in a tier below tonight. I think OSU has every bit the talent Clemson and Alabama do, they have for awhile. Just don't think they've taken advantage of their talent prior to this year for a few years now.
If we start excluding conference champs who are borderline 4 seeds that means we're getting two SEC teams in every year. I guess it would be better competition? But at the same time it would be frustrating to watch a non conference champ Alabama or Georgia get a free ride in every year.
"Oregon knows how to actually play defense."
I'll take phrases I never thought I'd hear 5 years ago for a hundred, Alex.
I feel like looking back at that OSU-UF game, you can understand why UF won when you see how much they controlled the line of scrimmage. Coaches say it every year, Urban said it consistently, and I feel it's the one piece of CFB eval that actually holds up from game to game. The team that controls the line of scrimmage wins. Clemson's DL whipped the OSU OL in 2016, and I have confidence OSU has the advantage on OL and DL this year, which is why I feel surprisingly confident about OSU's chances. The variable is just that you never know for sure whose OL and DL will show up and whose won't. But you can look back at games like that OSU-UF one, or the OSU-Alabama and OSU-Oregon games, and the team that controlled the line of scrimmage won. All of these teams have skill talent when you get to this point.
That play came to mind as well. I was thinking about who could be the Jalin Marshall/move the chains player this year, and KJ Hill immediately came to mind. I'm not sure who could take on the Steve Miller role; although if I'm being completely honest, I knew next to nothing about Steve Miller going into that game, so it could be literally anyone on OSU's DL outside of Young and Hamilton. Maybe a big game for Cornell or Tyreke Smith is about to happen?
Absolutely. That game in particular is an interesting one where there are players like Evan Spencer (also had that elimination edge block on the Zeke long TD), Corey Smith (he tackled Alabama returners inside the 15 in multiple kickoffs), and Jalin Marshall (several huge conversion catches against both Alabama and Oregon that year) who it feels like sometimes are forgotten, but who deserve to go down in OSU history because of the way they showed up on the biggest of stages. Not to slight Evan Spencer, he made huge blocks his entire career. Maybe nothing as flashy as that pass though.
If OSU beats Clemson Saturday I won't be surprised to see players who aren't of the same acclaim as the "stars" (in those games people like Zeke, Cardale, and Bosa), but who make those little and big plays to help OSU win the game.
It's always interesting when you go back and look at games again how one or two plays could have completely changed the narrative. I rewatched the 2014 Alabama game last night, and there were a couple of plays that Alabama missed, and a couple that OSU made, that might have completely flipped that game. Thankfully it happened as it did. Conversely, if we're talking Clemson, the orange bowl prior to that would have been an OSU victory I still feel if not for that unlucky muffed punt by Brown in the 3rd quarter when OSU was up 29-20. Little things like that sway games and change history.
JK is a fantastic running back. That being said, I just watched a 30 minute cut of the 2014 Alabama game last night, and it was obvious watching that that Zeke was a once in a generation type of RB. It honestly looked like the field got shifted downwards when he had a crease. 40 times are one thing, but I have never seen another RB who goes from the line of scrimmage to 10+, 20+ yards downfield faster than Zeke did in that game. He was like a lightning bolt. JK doesn't have to be Zeke though, he just has to be himself and that's plenty good enough to win a natty IMO.
I don't mean this as a slight, but it would be interesting to go back to last year's playoff interviews, or a previous year (basically where the outcome is known by you but maybe not her) and see how accurately she is able to predict those outcomes. Again, not slighting her knowledge, but like any study it gains more credence when proof of accuracy is shown.
Man, Clemson homers sure are putting a lot of stake in beating an Alabama team a year ago that had no defense.
He's #4 on the team in sacks despite having only played in 10 of 13 games, and being limited by injury in several others. I'm not sure how Browning's sack credentials are even questionable at this point? He benefits from Chase, but so does the rest of the team, and yet he's 1 sack away from #2 (Hamilton at 5 sacks) who's played and been dominant all year. Like I said, I'm not anti-Tuf, I think they both should play equal minutes depending on down and distance. Browning as a pass rusher is pretty undeniable though.
My feeling is that at some point (one of those ref conferences they have before the season) they decided to lighten up on holding calls, and pass interference calls, because you honestly don't see either as much as you did a couple of years ago.
Forum Post 24 Dec 2019
I think you're really downplaying the effect Browning was having on games as a pass rusher prior to the core injury in the first Wisconsin game. He is the best pass rusher OSU has after Chase Young and Hamilton. The DEs opposite Young haven't provided much pressure, so Browning's edge rush has been big in the games he has been healthy. Borland is better in run defense, but against a team like this you are going to need a MLB in obvious pass situations to create unique pressures. If I'm wrong after the game feel free and come back here to give me my medicine, but I have a feeling Browning is going to be big in this game. This is not an anti-Tuf post, I think he'll be key in containing Etienne. But I like Browning in pass defense and pass rush specifically.
I feel like the margin of error is too small (i.e. I feel this is a different team when Fields, Okudah, Wade, or even Arnette and Browning aren't playing). But if we can get OSU at their full strength for this game, I don't think there's a team in college football that can beat them.
Logged in to upvote OP. Why on Earth are people downvoting this thread? I get that no one here likes TTUN, but it's a perfectly legitimate question to ask as a football fan who wants to watch bowl games.
Thanks for linking that. After watching that whole thing, I feel a lot more confident about OSU's national title chances this season and next.
I think he shines in the Clemson game, and it will be impossible to ignore him from that point forward.