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Maybe premature & prejudicial....we'll see. There are definitely parallels.
Ryan & Shannon Smith have nothing to offer investigators unless their (investigators') scope is far greater than any of us have conceived of.
I don't think you're in the Chicken Little realm. I agree w/ you, if the committee met with these fools it suggests they're examining the culture around the football team......kind of like they did with the marching band a few years ago........
JD, you are a "go to" guy on this IMO. If it is the case that the investigators met with these two what do you think it portends for UFM?
Sr.'s cool because lots of these guys come from a culture of fatherlessness & I see it as a kind of rejection of that. Maybe I read too much into it.
Not me, the thread.
For God's sake, why are you guys DVing this?
I think it's cool. Especially the "Sr." ones. It's kind of countercultural.
This all up.
Agreed. The outcome needs to make sense in relation to the findings. If that's the case I'm good with whatever we get.
EDIT: I have zero concern that Urban will be "scapegoated" as I cannot possibly imagine he would allow that to happen.
"only thing that would surprise him is no punishment."
I'd say that's a pretty safe call. Ohio State couldn't possibly do what it's done only to come back and say "Guess what, nothing to see here & there was really no reason for any of this. Our bad. Let's play some football."
That is the best part of that movie.
Totally agree man, +2 if I could.
McMurphy is a crappy dude no doubt, but this is a good opportunity to examine what we'd all have to say about the situation if it was taking place at Clemson, Alabama, UM, etc.
I think it's less about "defending" than not piling on at this point. I don't think anybody's defending or excusing the guy.
I can confirm he is not.
Yeah....this all took a very dark turn yesterday. Last night I had a thought similar to OP's about Zach's possible mental state.
I'm sitting the rest of it out until it's over with. Go Bucks, friends.
This is in no way an attack on Ramzy but his "everyone knew" comment was a real eye opener & events since are what lead me to believe things aren't so rosy looking for Urban behind the scenes & people in the know know it. (I know Courtney's crazy as hell & her Mom's all #TeamZach but these things have nothing to do with the other.)
You know.....that is an interesting take. Maybe this kind of dysfunction is the norm in the ambitious assistant CFB coach game (though probably not to this degree).
^yep. The obvious call was "get rid of this guy yesterday, he's a cancer & a threat." Why was the obvious call not made? "Protocol" is a flimsy defense from this perspective.
You did some serious sleuthing here, JD. Good job. You are a better journalist than most actual journalists (assuming you're not one).
Why would I "hate" Urban? Why would anybody? The guy screwed up. To what degree is debatable. I think he demonstrated *really* bad judgment in keeping Zach Smith around for as long as he did and now it's cost the university. To me that's fireable at a place like Ohio State.
If Urban gets fired he only has himself to blame. Zach Smith wasn't worth all this.
Urban Meyer isn't clueless, dumb, aloof (each required to have no idea what a disaster Zach Smith is)
The one about whether Zach Smith should be fired that was taken down. Then Smith actually got fired.
I think our Internet benefactors are fairly well connected and you can read Buckeye football tea leaves by what makes it to print here & what doesn't.
EDIT: Also Jason's steadfast defense of "arrest" in the initial story when everyone was fired up about how Zach wasn't *technically* arrested.