Losing Wade hurt bad. After that we couldn't rely on coverage sacks. But the defensive line (other than Landers) simply wasn't getting after the QB. Time and time again on 3rd and long there was no pressure on the QB. Felt like they were just taking plays off. Either that or the line calls were too conservative. Chase Young was a non factor last night.
I heard a rumor that the QB found out that one of the wide receivers slept with his girl friend. Wouldn't thrown him the ball. Than they lost Ginn on the TD kick off. After that the receivers core was shuffled and it was a mess
Yea I was going to say the same thing. When I watched the defensive line last night it seemed like either the line play calling was very bad or the defensive ends were taking plays off. I know sometimes the call is the the ends to simply set the edge and not rush in hard to the QB. But when I watched the defensive line play it seemed like they set the edge way more than usually on what were obvious pass rush downs. Maybe they were worried about lawrence running but spy him with a linebacker.
Landers was the only stand out on defensive line yesterday. He was disruptive numerous times with his quick penetration. But the defensive ends honestly were getting in pressure at all.
Something has been driving me nuts forever. If a runner has the ball come loose as he hits the ground they will say its OK cause the ground cannot cause a fumble. If a receiver catches the ball, even brings it into his body, takes a step or two but then hits the ground and if the ball even moves even just the slightest bit they will say no catch. Then last night the guy catches it, ball doesn't move, takes numerous steps, ball is than only out of his hands because of an impact on the football by another player and they say its a non catch.
Honestly it drives me nuts. Referess are certainly biased and / or being paid off. I stopped watching NCAA basketball, even NBA because clearly the referees are biased as anything. Especially in NCAA basketball. Those guys call two different games for two teams all the time.
Either the scoop six or the running into the punter. Take away either of those two and you have OSU winning this game and also claiming the momentum. I personally felt like running into the punter was the bigger sin of the two. I don't think Clemson is even in the game without it.
Clemson was lucky to win that game yes. And yes they've had a lot of luck the last 8 years. But I remember a few decades where they were irrelevant and when they were in a big game would lose close time after time. Annoying though that they get lucky so much the last few years.
It wasn't just the bad calls, the drops, it was the timing.
The biggest thing that hurt OSU was running into the kicker. I don't even know why a coach would have a punt block on in that situation. OSU was trying to turn the momentum of the game. Just get the ball back.
I think Day just has to make this his own staff. Smart to keep Larry Johnson and Mickey on staff. Would be a fool to let those two go. Probably there is a mix of just wanting to bring in his own guys and maybe he just doesn't get along with some as well as others. I have no problem with the coaching changes so far.
Yep they got it wrong. But I was sort of glad OSU wasn't in it. I don't think they would have beaten either Clemson or Alabama this year. OSU's defense could not have handled either of those two teams.
Tired of all the bitching about coaching though. Urban was a great coach. OSU's never had a better one. Stop the bitching.
I like Weber's patience when he runs. He is good at finding the holes. The run blocking was not good this year but he would find the spots. The only thing that bugged me sometimes was that as plays were winding down he would often sacrifice a yard or two trying to make that one last cut. Call it one cut too many. You see it with a lot of running backs actually. But with him being like someone else said good but not great at everything he needs to be that guy that near the end of the play grabs the yards that are there. Sort of like how a seasoned QB will take that five yard pass if it is there. If the yards are there take them. If Weber would have done that he would have had about an extra yard per carry.
I've been very impressed though with his ability to NOT run himself out of plays when the holes to run through aren't there right away. In my opinion he is very very underated because so few running backs are actually good at this. In the pros this will be essential. And if you don't have it already when you get to the pros you aren't going to develop it there. They don't have time to develop running backs in the pros. So if he gets with the right team with blockers that aren't going to force him to have to be that guy that makes the devestating cut he could be a really good back. He catches well also in my opinion.
I think he can make it. It is just really hard for NFL running backs. They value the position so little. Plug a guy in and then replace when he gets hurt.
I think Saban should def. take some of the blame today. The game was still close. Clemson is in an obvious prevent fake formation. And you don't give the team the option to just take the three points. I think he was successful on that one 4th down conversion on his own 35 early in the game and it rolling the dice went to his head. It was over at half time in my opinion.
Clemson used a lot of the same strategies that Urban and Herman used against them. They ran wide a lot forcing those big defensive linemen to run and they got tired.
I think Alabama's main problem is that they simply weren't challenged by anyone all year long. They haven't had to deal with any adversity or uncertainty. And neither the players or the coaches new how to deal with it.
I've always felt like a big part of Saban's success has simply been the fact that when you are #1 in recruiting year after year it makes your team exponentially stronger than all the other teams. They usually don't have to play smarter. The sum of having the best player at every position usually means they just wear down their opponents. When the other team hadn't folded by midway through the second quarter they didn't know what to do.
Kirby was there for a long time I believe. And even Lane Kiffin stayed around longer than expected. Sark...lol I'll give you that one. But he was never going to be there long.
I do think a big part of Clemson and Alabama's success is that they convince more of their kids to stick out three to four years. OSU's problem lately is all these guys leaving early for the NFL. Sure you can pitch it on the recruiting trail that you'll get to play early. But it is hard to keep striking it rich with every recruit. That is a big reason our secondary ran out of gas. Nobody stayed long enough to bring cohesion.
I really have no opinion of Grinch. Being totally honest I don't even know what the guy looks like. I think that says a lot also.
Just wish Coombs had been offered enough money not to want to go to the pros. That guy was way way better than people realize. Motivation, fire, attitude breed confidence that defensive players need. Lets face it this years defense was sitting back and reacting. They were not decisive and that is a big part of why they looked slow.
That might be true. But I don't think the line was the only problem in the fourth quarter. The run blocking was pretty bad all around by everyone. Even Haskins was off for most of that game in my opinion. In fact that game convinced me that Haskins isn't really ready yet for the pros. He was slower to release in that game and often through off target. Maybe it was nerves. Maybe Washington's DBs at covering or causing confusion. Either way Haskins didn't have a very good game. A few big passes yes. But a lot of three and outs. Never felt like OSU would lose but boy...the forth quarter was bad bad bad.
I can't blame him for going for the money while he is a hot item. Can't blame him at all. I still don't think he has faced enough good defenses yet though in college and I suspect he will struggle his first few seasons. If he finds a place willing to let him grow he will do very very well in the NFL. If he ends up with a crap team which is usually looking for a guy to turn things around for a crap team immediately he may fall flat on his face and wish he had stayed another year in college. I really think it would have been good for him. At his QB position you don't see many career ending injuries. I personally think he should have stayed.
I'll definitely be pulling for him at the next level. So much about going pro seems to be half luck. Here is hoping he lands into the right situation.
I'm sure it has been pretty easy to negative recruit Ohio State this year.
2) Urban looking stressed all year and then of course retiring
3) The defense looking weak this year.
Other than the defensive line it just seems like nobody at the second level is very aggressive. More like they are waiting, then reacting, and it is just too late by then.
I don't think it was Urban. In fact late in the game, after like three or four three and outs in a row I was screaming at the TV. Don't rush to the line and snap but they still did. I don't think Washington even scores their last TD if Urban slow plays the play calling near the end. As for the three and outs I don't think it was play calling. The offense just wasn't executing. It is like after the first half they just got bored of the game. Not sure but in general the team didn't seem too hyped to play today. Very rare, but I think the coach was more excited about the win than the kids were.
I thought Joshua had a good game this evening.
Naw he was just missing some throws tonight. He looked shaky (for him that is) all game long. I don't think Washington was making his reads as easy as he is used to. His release was a bit slower and at times he just missed on his throws.
I agree he should play another year. This isn't the NBA. QBs need time to develop.
All good points Jvillebuck.... I still think he would be better served getting another year of reps in college. The thing about the Pros is that they really don't like taking on projects. And when they do it is rare the projects ever see anything more than backup QB. He had a great year and probably be the best of any Ohio State QB ever. But as we saw tonight he was shaky when the defense didn't yield the easy go to throw right away. I think another year would serve him well. And I'm the guy that says, "Go get that money when you can". But I think he will have a longer career if he stays in college longer. Maybe having a new line and a lot of new receivers would even do him good. The best passers didn't necessarily have a lot to work with in college. Don't forget Mack he will be back next year.
They've pretty much had an anti Urban Meyer agenda ever since he left Florida and even more so after Hernandez became a murderer as if that is UFM's fault
LCT you are so right. Tear down heros. Build up those who want to tear everything down. Lie lie lie to sell a story. On and on. Personally I think the press is the toilet bowl of professions. Sorry to those who are trying to make a respectable living doing it including those on this site. But journalism is dead.
Ed Oliver went to Houston. It is more about developing than it is where you play. If you are a stud they will want you. It might be better if you go to an elite program however to get used to the pressure and be more motivated.
After all the crap last year I've sworn off ESPN and most of those sport talk shows. All of them are full of crap and quite frankly all of them are much worst human beings than Meyer in almost every respect. So will not be renewing my ESPN+ when it expires. ESPN has lost me as a customer. Also if I can ever purchase channels individually ESPN will not be one of them. Plenty of sports on Fox and other networks.
ESPN - CNN - NBC all blow