If anyone does not see ESPN bias you are blind. It definitely exists. The dirt that is in the SEC, which is still operating like the 1970's when it comes to college sports, will not be exploited by ESPN because that is where they have invested their money. ESPN has the financial resources to pry into any situation but they will never attack Alabama unless it has to be done. Finebaum is Saban's ambassador / advocate, he has a job there for that sole reason. Alabama is ESPN's cash cow, if there were dirt to be found, they would not be the one to uncover it. Once a Fox News, or Yahoo reported it, they would reluctantly follow suit, minimizing the damage as much as possible, and killing the coverage as soon as they could. They have shown it on multiple occasions with many examples such as player arrests, which had they occurred at Ohio State would be on blast for days. Another thing, watch when a five star player commits to Ohio State and compare it to when Alabama gets a three star. Their ticker trumpets the Alabama commit on every opportunity, the Ohio State commit news might run, but is very limited.
Meyer stated that he didn't intentionally give inaccurate information, or another words he didn't admit to lying. To use the word lie is an assumption, that is the key to his statement. You have to read the statement closely, like a legal document, or a supreme court decision. Also, the media has now assumed or is again purposefully misleading (lying) about Urban lying. They have assumed that he was lying and now will report that he lied, which again if you read his statement, is in fact a lie, or what I like to call an untruth.
OSU56 completely agree, and social media combined with the media juggernaut will only grow into a greater problem for OSU in the future. Unfortunately OSU feeds this reality with the way they approach controversy. They have shown in the past that they don't handle it well and this is another example. OSU is the greatest target in college sports period. It has a huge fan base and any news, especially bad news, means huge ratings. They are not protected from the media like other power institutions and coaches are. I also believe that that the power brokers at the university have contempt for the football program, or at least don't support the program like those at an Alabama or an LSU. If they do actually care about the sports teams, they need to learn to shut down fake news, and not concern themselves with the agenda of others.
Statistics on domestic violence, very interesting on how they would be compiled, and who would gather them. Who would be questioned as to their validity, alleged victims? Alleged suspects? Who would pay for compiling them = a victim advocacy group. To state that 8 out of 10 allegations are true is ignorant. What is the conviction rate in the courts for domestic violence? Many law enforcement agencies have made it a requirement to arrest a primary aggressor in an alleged incident. Sometimes a primary aggressor can't be determined. The standard for an arrest = probable cause. The standard for conviction is beyond a reasonable doubt. Two people involved in an altercation, usually with no other witnesses. I can't tell you how many are true and how many are false, it is a case by case basis. No one can, not even those who quote statistics.
Patsy Mink Equal Opportunity in Education Act in 2002 (Title IX) is not in play here. People are reaching for straws.
No offense, I love Ohio State athletics, not the university. I am a sports fan of Ohio State. When it is unfairly attacked, I will defend the football program. I don't care what people think about an institution of higher learning that has people in authority that think they are holier than thou, taking the moral high ground, etc. The administration was wrong not to have Meyer's back from the get go and they should have had advisors in place that worked with him on a prepared statement for the media day with instructions that no questions would be taken.
Great Eph97. Lets talk Alabama for a minute. Gold standard of the SEC. Number one, local media in the south will not attempt to attack or tear down a football program. It is the exact opposite, turn back the clocks to the 1970's. They don't seek dirt on their programs, they don't air out the dirty laundry. They feed the beast, their administration embraces their football programs. They don't resent the power of the football program like the academics at OSU have always done. They will not be played by media or controlled by their agenda if their program is attacked, and I give Saban credit, he is one that will not be attacked. Watch his interviews, he treats the media like crap. You try to attack him, he will Bill Belichick them in a heart beat. They bow to him and he controls them. I wish OSU would embrace an attitude that defies the media and public opinion, but in the past, Hayes, Tressel, and now Meyer they bend to their every whim.
I can't understand why people continue to drink the media Kool-Aid they are serving. If you read Meyer's statement, no one can prove he was "dishonest". He said it was not his intent to give inaccurate information, you can have an opinion on whether you believe he told an untruth, however you can believe he got confused or misspoke. Meyer did what was right in 2015, he asked hard questions of Smith. He reported the incident to his superiors. No charges were filed, no arrest occurred. No further abuse allegations were made from 2015 to 2018. That is a three year period where Smith did nothing it appears to warrant any scrutiny. OSU should stand by their coach the way that MSU stood by Dantonio, they should tell the court of public opinion to screw themselves, and have no further comment on the matter. Unfortunately OSU will not do that because they are not fans of their own football program, so they will continue to dance for the reporters and media outlets.
No downvotes from me SoCarBuck, agree about the political climate. But will disagree about what is driving the story, that in my opinion is money and ratings. If only one person clicked on a link, one household tuned into ESPN, it wouldn't be a story anymore. Money and ratings drive the media beast. It they are not getting the ratings, they drop the story, because it is no longer a story, and move on to the next dumpster fire they can exploit for their own gain.
Keith-total agreement. ESPN went off of my watch list years ago. SEC is what they are all about, they are in bed with them. They attack Ohio State at every opportunity, as well as law enforcement.
Urban may have "lied" but no one can prove it. All of us can believe what we want, only Meyer knows what he was thinking, what and how he was replying. That is the beauty of his official statement, when he says he had no intent to mislead, no one can prove otherwise. That occurred in his head, only he knows. I will decide to believe him, he did what he should have done in 2015, keep him as the head coach. Give him his job back immediately and let the media cry as he goes back to work recruiting top talent and leading the football team to a national championship that the administration at OSU could care less about. All they want is the money.
Bottom line is with Urban's statement, and Zach's interview, if OSU wishes to retain Meyer they can. If they don't care about the football program, which they don't, then they can still let him go. I think they will keep him on, but they fired Woody, so who knows?
P.S. I love the 11W community but I do not like the OSU administration.
In reply to above regarding the 11W community, domestic violence and sexual assault are horrible crimes. That being said, subjects guilty of those crimes should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. However, when people (outside groups, individuals, media) get involved in those personal matters for their own agenda, I don't believe in it. When people declare someone guilty or label them an abuser with no facts, no knowledge of the situation, only rumors, etc. I don't support it. When someone goes after innocent people, not involved in the situation and attempt to have their jobs taken from them, trash their reputation, etc. I don't support it. Learn to separate truth from public opinion and media mania.
And all joking aside that is the way the media, especially ESPN play it. They take up an issue and bait you to respond to it, make it legitimate to the masses, and then shove it down your throat. Until you shut them down and refuse to play the game they will eat you alive.
Replying to above about Dantonio they went after him hard. What MSU did, and you can pull it up, was a micro press conference with a prepared statement. They then allowed two questions, that Dantonio handled OK, but not great. They then shut the door on it. It died, when you shut the door on the media, they cry and complain until the ratings go away, and then move on. OSU blew this from the beginning, it should have always been about Courtney and Zach, they allowed it to grow by feeding the frenzy at media day. With a prepared statement and no questions by Meyer at media day, this would have died within a week.
Yes OSU is bad at PR. This should have always been only about Zach and Courtney. It should have been a prepared statement and no questions at media day, horrible job by the staff and by Meyer on that. Meyer and whoever is now assisting him with the statement hit a homerun and now Zach did him a solid. Meyer should be cleared at some point, however you never know with OSU because they don't care about the football program or doing what is right, they only care about the image of the university. Again they don't and have never cared about football, I actually believe, like Woody Hayes did, that the administration resents the power of the football program.
Regarding ESPN, that is exactly why I turned it off immediately at the conclusion of the interview. ESPN wants Meyer fired, nothing personal, it means bigger news story. More ratings and more clicks. More money, they have been in decline for years, watch what their ratings were for that interview, it will be enormous. They want this, they need this. They want Meyer fired, then they can cover all of the drama and as a bonus, cover the new head coach. It is the media and what they have become, sensationalism is everything, and can be tracked meticulously.
By the was Urban should be home free after that, it is now exactly what it should have been all along, about Zach and Courtney, period end of story.
Text messages? Where is a video? Where is an audio recording? What is being specifically said in those text messages? What is the context? Where is the conversation before and after? If accurate were they provided to the police and did Courtney pursue charges? Smith hit it out of the park on Sportscenter.
Because you drink the media Kool-Aid.
I agree, very smart and well written.
He reported the 2015 incident = no problem with him, higher up the chain of command. As I have said in other threads regarding Smith, no official police investigation in 2015, no arrest. In 2009 according to Meyer, Courtney apparently lied about the incident.
By the way he is getting excellent advice now, his statement regarding not intending to mislead is perfect and can't be disputed. He is the only one in his own mind, a statement that can't be clearly contested. Well done.
Bottom line, if he would have thought about things, and had good advisors, he would have read a prepared statement at the B10 meetings and taken 0 questions. They had a format from MSU and Dantonio from January they could have followed, except I wouldn't have allowed two questions like MSU did, unless they were scripted. This would have made most of this a non-issue.