Please stop the bagmen comments. You sound like TSUN fans. Agree with BuckeyeDevil that there are tons of reasons why someone would pick Clemson. It also is impossible for one school to dominate every other school in recruiting because the top athletes will naturally spread themselves across a small handful of schools not just one (that is why we will have a harder time getting great WRs in the 2021 class). Bottom line is that the best any school can hope for is to be in the top 3-4 for recruiting. We are and we need to stay there.
Clemson loss is way overrated because of recency bias.
OSU played very well, proved it was a great team, and had numerous chances to win. And OSU fought until the end. They took a big punch and came back. Proud of the coaching and the players. (Not the referees).
In sharp contrast, Michigan State 2015 was a coaching disaster. And do not forget--we were the defending national champions on a 23 game winning streak. We were on track to win a second national championship. And when you look at what Ezekiel Elliot and Joey Bosa and Michael Thomas have done in the pros you see that this was one of the most talented OSU teams ever. And we would have won the first two CFPs. We would have been better than Alabama, Clemson, and everyone.
And, whereas Clemson was a great team, Michigan State was not. They were no good. UGH.
I would put JT's 4th and 1 on the list. Delicious Michigan tears.
Maybe the 4th and 1 should be paired with the Brooklyn Dagger. In one minute, we went from possibly losing the game to winning.
Michigan was just broken after the 4th and 1 call. They were mentally not ready to play on the Brooklyn Dagger.
I am not concerned about Proctor replacing Fuller or the new CBs. DBs learn by playing in big games and sometimes getting burned. I want experienced surgeons, pilots, and safeties, not young guns. Look at Richard Sherman in the NFL.
We are blessed to have Eleven Warriors. Whenever the Bucks play another team, I look for the other team's fan site. I am almost always appalled at the quality of the site--the web design, the idiotic comments or (in the case of teams like Northwestern or Indiana) the meager number of comments (threads before a big game with 3 comments). Eleven Warriors is very high-quality.
What if Cardale had beaten out JT in 2014? Maybe we have two years of Cardale (14-15), two years of Haskins (16-17), and two years of Burrow (18-19).
Back to Fields, he needs to run better. Yes, he is fast, but he was not as productive a runner as either Burrow or Lawrence. I know he was injured but part of it is an unwillingness to give up on play and just take off. I know the "right thing" is to stand in the pocket but sometimes you need to run . . .
Our linebackers are playing at Michigan/Wisconsin/Penn State levels, not Clemson/Alabama levels. They are good enough to compete in the Big 10 but not on the big stage. Compare our DBs who are elite nationally.
We need to give other guys a chance, particularly early in the season.
This game also reminds you how all sports=pain. Texans' fans right now have to be shocked. 24-0 to 24-28 with a few questionable calls in Chiefs favor. This is making our loss look fairly boring.
We really need Fields healthy next year and able to run. Both Watson and Mahomes are such great runners (in addition to being great pocket QBs). Fields will be able to do the same when healthy. Really hurt us against Clemson that he was not healthy.
I also think we need to have Fields run a bit in some of the early games. He needs to be used to running hard and taking contact. I don't think the injury risk increases that much and we need to get him practiced at that sort of running. I have not yet seen him run and take hits like the best NFL quarterbacks do.
The targeting rule still makes me ill. He gets kicked out of the game and walked off the field like a criminal. Why don't we kick out people for face mask, chop block, or roughing penalties . . . . If I were Wade I would have given the Marcus Hall double bird to the refs and Clemson.
I thought he might still be so angry (justifiably) that he would go to the pros but I guess he has a cooler head than me.
Wonder if we could convert one of our WRs into a DB. We seem to have an excess of great WRs. . . It worked pretty well for Chris Gamble.
If you pretend that last year's national championship game did not happen, there would be no reason to give Clemson the benefit of the doubt. The ACC schedule is a joke. BUT last year's national championship did happen--Clemson humiliated a great Alabama team. This is a different year but the last real data point we have on Clemson (b/c the ACC schedule is a joke) is that game. So it is understandable why the pundits are picking Clemson.
1. Clemson has not faced anyone decent this year.
2. But they still could be the best team in the country.
3. We will find out on the 28th.
4. A victory over Clemson will be historic. We may soon be talking about 2002, 2014, and 2019 together.
Clemson really should be #1. They whupped Alabama last year. They won every game this year. They have been the best program in America since the CFP started (1. Clemson 2. Alabama 3. OSU 4. Oklahoma). Nothing more that they can do. And they look very scary on film.
...But OSU can win. OSU is orders of magnitude better than any team Clemson has faced this year.
...And the comparison to 2016 is ridiculous. This team is totally different.
...Most offensive is when they say that OSU is "slow" or compare OSU to Notre Dame. Lazy and inaccurate stereotypes. I am pretty confident that the objective eyes of the NFL will deem Chase Young, JK Dobbins, and Jeff Okudah to be quite fast
The drop-off to Chugnov is frightening.
There was no easy way to deal with the Meyer situation. And everything turned out well for the university and the football team.
Michigan is a solid team that could put together a very good game against us and absolutely can beat us. Plus you have to take into account the emotion. If Michigan gets some breaks early and starts feeling like it can pull the upset and end nearly two decades of misery against OSU, it will start playing with emotion. Sports are weird.
Also, Michigan has to win sometime, doesn't it?
Haskins was a genius last year. Best OSU QB I have ever seen. My whole life I have held my breath when an OSU QB threw (with the exception of Troy Smith for most of his career and Justin Fields so far and Joe Germaine during the 1997 Rose Bowl and JT Barrett for 2017 Penn State), but when Haskins threw it, you knew it was going to be complete.
Of course, he is going to struggle a bit when he goes to the NFL. Everyone does. But the Redskins have fueled this narrative about him not being ready to play. They should have said "Dwayne is our QB of the future. That is why we drafted him. He is way ahead of schedule. He is ready now but he will be even readier after some more practice. He will be our starter for the second half of the season."
Even if not totally true, even if you don't totally believe it, why would you allow this negative narrative about him not being able to read defenses, etc.? The only answer is that the Redskins are idiots. I wish him the best but I doubt he (or anyone) will have much success in such a dysfunctional organization.
His struggles in a dysfunctional organization are a reminder of how well run OSU football is--every other blue blood football program (except Alabama and Oklahoma) has had significant issues/down periods over the last 10 years. Not OSU.
I would love to watch Michigan crumble. But probably better if they have some confidence coming into the game. I want them to think that they have everything under control.
Perfect outcome. Michigan sticks with Patterson and status quo.
As much as I enjoy this, I worry that Michigan might replace Patterson at QB, so I want him to play a little bit better tonight. I figure his backup (I think Joe Milton) has to be better, so would like to keep him on the bench. Don't want this to be like OSU in 2005 when the team was horrible but started building back under a new QB (Troy Smith). I doubt Milton is Troy Smith but any scholarship QB is better than Patterson right now.
Regarding ZS as a recruiter, I'm pretty sure I could recruit at Ohio State. The program and the school and the head coach sell recruits, not someone like ZS.
I agree. My number one reaction to this is I am glad it is all over.
If Urban had lived up to his commitment to Ohio State football, he would have fired Smith. No one person is more important than the team. Who cares that he was Earle Bruce's nephew. Smith was an adult who behaved like a child, skipped out on work, and did a poor job coaching. He should have been fired long before 2018. (And this is not even going into the domestic violence issues).
If Urban could go back, he would have fired Smith. Urban made a mistake. And my guess is that, in private, he knows it and admits it This does not make Urban a monster. It makes him human. Of all people, Urban knows that there are consequences for poor decisions. Urban is suffering them.