Am I worried after losing Urban Meyer, who I personally loved and was troubled to see go?
Certainly! Especially if Urban DIDN'T want to retire, but was forced out by current Buckeyes president Michael Drake!
What really frightens me if the above scenario is the case, and Urban winds up coaching someplace else is that he will take Mark Pantoni/Mickey Marotti with him when he goes, as Buckeyes fans should recognize the importance to the program of both of those guys.
That said, the CBS writer is kinda ridiculous to even broach the idea that the talent left in the wake of Tressel's firing, not to mention the caliber of coaching, is ANYWHERE NEAR THE SAME!!!
Ohio State has far more talent in terms of players AND coaching staff on the roster for 2019 than the team and staff leftover for the 2011 season, Braxton Miller or not! I love Braxton, hoped for him to find success in the league, and I really loved Luke Fickell as the Buckeyes linebackers coach, I was thrilled when Urban Meyer recognized his talent on the sidelines and kept him on staff - one of Urban's best traits in my opinion is his ability to recognize talent both on the field AND along the sidelines.
However there's a big difference between Ryan Day now and Luke Fickell then - for one, Luke Fickell wasn't ready for the head coaching gig then, and a big factor was retaining Jim Bollman as the OC, the single reason the team couldn't break 6 wins on the year in my eyes! I think Luke Fickell learned a lot working under Urban Meyer, and I'm thrilled to see the success he's had since taking over at Cincinnati, and I hope he continues to grow as a head coach.
I didn't think realistically the Buckeyes had a shot at a national championship in the 2011 season, I knew better even if my heart didn't.
However this year could really be a breakout season for the Buckeyes and head coach Ryan Day, and it all starts with winning the B1G. I believe that Ohio State is still going to be the best team on the field in the B1G, which doesn't guarantee a championship, but I also think that the Buckeyes have a legit shot to become a playoff team with legit National Championship aspirations, even though I have a hard time seeing THAT materialize this year. I do know I didn't think that in 2011, so hopefully the Buckeyes keep up their winning ways, especially up in Ann Arbor in late November!!!
Ohio definitely produces tons of football talent, both in terms of players and coaches - that said, if Ohio State fans want to see National Championship victories, then they had better be willing to accept imports! In order to compete with Alabama, Clemson, etcetera, the coaches have to take a national approach to recruiting talent - and for Ryan Day, he has to recruit not just players, but he will have to find talented assistants to replace the ones he loses to head coaching gigs.
Personally I think it's cool that kids from out of state dream about donning the Scarlet and Gray! That gives me pride in the program that it has appeal to people who didn't grow up in the shadows of the 'Shoe.
Besides, Columbus itself is composed of more and more transplants as the city continues to grow, so it's kinda a reflection of the region in general. Columbus has become a trendy place to live, and growing up there in the 90s, I never would have thought the City would change the way it has! I went back after a 5 year hiatus and so much I didn't recognize!
Besides when schools like Ohio State and Ichigan are recruiting nationally, the B1G gets better because there IS a lot of talent in Ohio, it's typically just underdeveloped talent compared to states like Texas, Florida, Georgia where they have spring ball - which essentially is a second season of practice that Ohio players miss out on.
Anyway, because a lot of good players from Ohio don't make the roster due to Ohio State's recruiting players from out of state, they typically wind up at other schools in the B1G, feeding talent to the rest of the conference.
Notre Dame, Michigan State, apparently Kentucky even - Kentucky's recent rise in the SEC has been fueled largely by Ohio kids snubbed by the Buckeyes! But it is what it is, I would rather have a team capable of competing against the best, and in order to do that, you have to go out and recruit the best.
I would like to see maybe a 50/50 split between recruits from Ohio, and those from out of state, unless it's just a year where Ohio doesn't have a lot of great players. Sometimes you just have to go to where the talent is.
I remember during the Tressel-era, we were able to dominate the B1G, but it was hollow because the Buckeyes would look silly against teams like Pete Carroll's USC squads, or SEC teams. Knowing that we didn't have the talent to compete with the best was crappy, at least I thought so.
I'm excited to see what Ryan Day can do, although I'm also nervous. I really hope that he's successful, and not just because I'm a huge Buckeyes fan, but because I really like Ryan Day and I think he's the real deal.
I was a little apprehensive about the recruiting changes comment, although to be fair I have no idea what he's referring to. I think recruiting was one of Urban's best attributes, not to mention his motivational tactics... I think at Ohio State you have to recruit nationally, not least because Ohio State has national appeal, but you can't expect to win Natty's without it. I did wish that more kids from Ohio got a chance to play for the home school, but that's secondary to success on the field. I want a coach that goes for the jugular in all facets, on the field, as well as recruiting. Anybody wants to argue against that better be content with tressel-era success - dominating the midwest/B1G, while getting blown out on the national stage/versus the Alabama Crimson Tide's and Clemson's of the world.
Recruiting is how you have to compete these days and Ohio State fortunately has a lot of appeal around the country.
One thing about Urban was he often didn't expend resources recruiting from the West, so hopefully that's what Ryan Day is talking about. I would love to get more Pacific Islanders and California kids coming to Ohio State, Gee Scott Jr shout out! And yes I realize Gee Scott is from Washington State
Anyway I'm excited to see what Ryan Day can do, I am hoping and praying for his success because I think he's a quality person, coach, etcetera, and the perfect replacement for a legend like Urban Meyer.
May the Buckeyes have a great year where multiple dreams are realized for all these kids busting their booties to play for the Scarlet and Gray!
I know this is a little off topic, but I no longer live in the region, I wanted to know how our new QB coach's name is pronounced...
...Is it Yur-sick, Yur-sich, Yur-kich, or Yur-kik????
It's going to bug me until I know!
One thing I will say in the players defense, it is a stupid policy that transfers have to sit out a year, I mean coaching changes happen all the time, especially at a place like Ohio State, where coordinators get hired as head coaches when they have a good season or two, and that's usually who players are involved with the most, so kind of lame that coaches can leave lickity split, but players have to wait...
I guess they just don't want a bunch of transfers by young guys who don't know what they want to do, or change their minds, hopping from team to team. I could imagine if there was no penalty for transfers in football it could turn into a shitshow
I don't get why Tathan didn't just stay through spring ball, try to compete for the job, graduate then move on as a graduate transfer...
Let's be honest, he isn't leaving due to coaching change, this kid was praising Ryan Day for his development as a QB, knew who his coach was gonna be as soon as Urban Meyer stepped down. If his transfer was because of the coaching change, why didn't he enter the transfer portal immediately after Meyer stepped down, even if it's just to explore other options?
He in fact stated prior to the rose bowl that he was going to be here in 2019 and he was gonna win the job, well after Ryan Day was announced as head coach, so I don't know, this just seems like a very emotional decision and really just plain stupid. I mean, much smarter to be a graduate transfer, he likely could still win the job at Miami even if he doesn't get there until fall camp...
Well now I guess the real question is did we as Buckeyes fans, really want someone like this as the starting QB anyway? I don't mean to be so critical, but being the head guy on offense is a heavy responsibility, especially when you're at Ohio State and under the perpetual microscope of media scrutiny. It's not a job for the entitled, you have to be on your guard, behave in public, on Twitter - all while ignoring the critics and national pundits who question poor performance, etcetera.
I do know one thing, I couldn't ever handle that, especially as a young man, 18-21! Takes a certain breed.
I wish Tathan the best, would've loved to see him compete for the job, then transfer but it's his life, his career.
I was hoping he would stay and try to win the job, but he should have to earn it by being the better option. Saying that you don't care if Fields comes, you're gonna win the job regardless, then transferring as soon as Fields is on campus is kinda ridiculous, it doesn't make you LOOK confident no matter what you sound like.
Can't fault Ryan Day or the Buckeyes for bringing in Fields, the dude is highly coveted for a reason. Plus they needed a fourth QB anyway and apparently the 2019 class is limited on talent.
I don't get why you would transfer in his situation, though. I don't see how you could get a hardship waiver, I mean it's not like there was a coaching change right after he signed, being tricked in the process. If you can't get a hardship waiver, why not stay, try to win the job, if you don't then graduate and transfer for your last year or two of eligibility like Joe Burrow did, that way you can start immediately. Being the backup for a year wouldn't be a bad gig, I mean if you'd have told Cardale Jones back in spring camp of 2014 when he was buried on the depth chart, that he was going to thrash three great teams en route to winning a National Championship in a Buckeyes uniform, I'm sure he would've scoffed and said "yeah right!"
You never know how things could shake out (knock on wood that we have no injuries, but it's a violent sport)...
That said I hope that where ever he goes, it works out.
I would rather have a great passer. A QB running the ball is easy to stop for really talented and disciplined defenses, especially if the said QB isn't a strong passer that can challenge teams vertically AND horizontally through the air. Good teams have caught up with it, not to mention the beating your body takes - dual threat quarterbacks have trouble staying healthy. Look at Trace McSorley for Penn State this year. That and running quarterbacks often limit their game because they rely on their legs to bail them out instead of their arm, and this hinders their passing ability, being able to pick apart the defense... nobody looks open, they look for a hole to run instead of looking down field for someone to get open. Quarterbacks should run if necessary but a lot of times it's not necessary to risk injury.
Out of all the wonderful defensive coaching changes I discovered today, this is some of the best! LJ definitely deserves this, super happy for him!
I'm sorry but we wouldn't have won the Natty in 2012... I was glad to see ND get hosed by Bama that year. We we're a really good team, but no where near the talent to hang with Alabama...
For reference, listen to Urban's comments after the 2012 season, 2014, 2016, 2017 and this past year - Urban of all coaches knows what it takes to knock off Sabans Tide. After the 2012 season he said he would take them anywhere to play, as he should...
But after whooping Wisconsin's ass in the B1G Championship in 2014, he said (paraphrasing) "I don't think there's any doubt we're one of the four best teams in the country!" - and he said that emphatically.
I have based my thoughts on the Buckeyes National Championship prospects off of Urban's post-regular season comments, and the only time he seemed to believe in their chances emphatically was 2014.
In 2016, prior to getting hosed by Clemson, when asked about what he thought of his team's chances he sounded an awful lot like he did this year, and in my heart I knew we wouldn't have won it. Our team this year probably would have fared only slightly better than Oklahoma did.
I don't understand playing Borland, clearly the Achilles injury has hampered his ability to play. I've heard that it's really tough to come back from those injuries and recover the speed a player once had.
However I feel like a lot of the issues with back seven fall on the shoulders of the coaches. The secondary was awful, but that's to be expected when they aren't being coached to turn their heads around to play the ball - teams saw this and the smart ones challenged them by throwing bombs down field, which resulted in either PIs, or completions the majority of the time... Part of the deal with playing press-man is jamming the receivers at the line, challenging them to beat you and playing the ball by turning your head when you see the receiver turning to make a play. I didn't see our corners press, or play the ball.
In fact, our corners were frequently playing ten yards off the line of scrimmage, even in situations where the offense only needed five yards! This happened in the Rose Bowl, especially in the second half...in fact we're lucky that Washington didn't start challenging our cornerbacks until the Buckeyes lead was virtually insurmountable.
I don't understand why Arnette and Sheffield were starting over Shaun Wade and Okudah, who I thought were our two best cover corners. Arnette was decent at times, but he and Sheffield both looked lost or gave up too many completions/PIs.
I really hope we get some new faces on the defensive coaching staff, ones who can identify better players for the positions and not just the upperclassmen - even if they were starters last season.
Also our defense this past year, just like our Offensive line for stretches, was one of the least disciplined units I've watched in Ohio State uniforms. That's why Maryland nearly beat us, why Purdue kicked our ass (well, that and our Offensive line incapable of grasping RPOs because they didn't bend their knees and get low on called runs - which is mystifying in its own right) - also the reason Ohio State couldn't even cover the spread versus Washington despite a 3 TD lead entering the 4th quarter.
The lack of discipline falls on the shoulders of the DC, Schiano.
Anyway if changes aren't made, we should expect more of the same. It's not lack of talent - maybe lack of talent actually on the field as starters, but the talent is there, now we need development and discipline, any players feeling entitled to start need the boot
Ugh... Not what I was wanting to see. Yes our secondary sucked this year (cough cough, Taver Johnson) but I think Schiano needed the boot, along with Bill Davis, Taver Johnson and Greg Studrawa, which is admittedly a lot.
However our defense has gotten worse each of the past three years, our players on defense are extremely undisciplined, constantly out-schemed and the Rose Bowl shouldn't have been as close as it was, but no defensive adjustments were made, not to mention being caught with their pants down on two of the TDs by Washington.
The lack of player discipline and being out-coached by half of the B1G falls on the defensive coordinator.
I really don't like Schiano. You know how I know that Grinch wasn't the issue? He's a coveted coach. Who wants to hire Schiano??? Apparently not even Temple despite Schiano all but begging to be a coaching candidate.
Get ready to miss out on the playoffs again next year (or at least hoping we miss out on them, or see another beat-down at the hands of Clemson or Alabama) due to an inexplicable blow out loss to a team with far less talent.
I was rooting for both Clemson and Alabama to blow out ND and Oklahoma because I wanted the committee to look ridiculous. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2813062-alabama-and-clemson-domination-creates-ugly-day-for-cfb-playoff-committee
I don't put that game on Haskins shoulders. Ridiculous penalties, O-Line that couldn't (or wouldn't) get low enough to run block. Purdue was awful at defending the run.
Also I noticed that Purdue wasn't using pre-snap motions on the defensive line versus Auburn, no trick plays, they looked like they weren't interested. Obviously Purdue was fired up for the Buckeyes, much like every B1G team gets - it's Purdue's equivalent of playing in a National Championship game, because that's the closest they come.
However it's tough to win as a QB when you have no viable threat in the run game, even if you're as talented as Haskins.
The Buckeyes shouldn't have been judged solely by their low point of the season.
I have heard that Day has been contemplating getting rid of Schiano to keep Grinch on staff, hence Schiano's uncertainty about whether he'll be here next season
Get rid of Schiano, keep Alex Grinch!!! Schiano's defense has gotten worse each season he's been in charge, not to mention blow out losses to teams we shouldn't lose to the last two seasons. If we keep an aged defensive coordinator who hasn't impressed over a young, up and coming defensive coordinator from Ohio...ugh, I guess we'll know what to expect next year - more of the same.
I like seeing the B1G do well in bowl games and non-conference matchups not because I'm rooting for those teams, but because I want to see that the B1G is a strong conference, that some of the struggles Ohio State faced this year may not have been so much because the Buckeyes are lousy but because the teams they are playing are much more legit than they're given credit for. I want the Buckeyes to be the best, and playing in and dominating a weak conference sucks! That's the Tressel years in a nutshell.
Urban Meyer has elevated the play in the B1G and it's evident in bowl games the past two years. It's a crime to not have a one-loss Ohio State team that won one of the top two conferences in college football not playing for the championship.
I agree with you folks, I was always surprised at the career Hartline carved out for himself in the NFL because I never thought he was physically gifted enough to be anything more than a journeyman slot receiver - and I thought that was a long shot! It's a testament to his drive and knowledge of route-running and understanding the offense. What more could you ask for in a receiver coach? Seems like he's got the recruiting thing down despite a miss or two...but that's a part of it. I was glad he was promoted to a full-time position
We need more QBs for depth at the very least. It could be that Fields got to see what Ryan Day has done for Haskins this year, not to mention that every QB he's coached, including Joe Burrow after he left for LSU, have raved about Day.
That and we don't have a QB for the 2019 class, in fact I'm pretty certain Dwan Mathis was more for depth than any of the coaches being sold on him. The coaches have moaned about the lack of quarterback talent in this class all year.
Georgia has been hot on the recruiting trail for a couple years, really ever since Kirby Smart took over, but they've also had a lot of transfers.
Ryan Day also has pointed out how sitting for a couple years really helped Haskins this year, although I will be the first to say Dwayne should've been starting last year. JT Barrett was good, but he was no where close to Haskins' ability as a passer.
I have no clue what Tate Martell is tweeting about, I don't have a Twitter account and I never will because I can't comment in so few words, nor am I into Social media like that anymore, got burned out on Facebook. That said, if Tate Martell is a true competitor, he should welcome Justin Fields to Columbus and the Buckeye Brotherhood. As Ryan Day said, if they have a chance to bolster the roster with much needed QB talent then they will! Day said he wants to always have 4 QBs on the roster, right now we have two plus Chugonov, so I hope Justin Fields comes.
Hell, if Tate Martell has a great season as the starter in 2019, he could be one and done too. The only reason I don't think he would be one and done is his lack of NFL-caliber SIZE. Unfortunately Tate's game won't translate unless he finds a way to really hone his passer skills, only running when he has to.
May the best players choose to be Buckeyes, and may the best QB win. I always thought Urban's downside was his loyalty to upperclassmen, i.e. starting Mike Webber over JK Dobbins, JT Barrett over Haskins, Knox over Davis, etcetera
My comment is about this author's view that Karan Higdon has less to lose than a true top-10, top-15 prospect, by getting injured in a bowl game and the effect it could have on the draft
Do people truly believe that an injured Nick Bosa - whose a lock to go top 5, depending on who needs a QB, would lose draft position because of being injured??? If I'm a team looking for the top Defensive end available, I'm snatching Bosa up injury or no injury! The kid is gonna be a star and as a franchise, I would take him even if he sat out most of his rookie year. A team drafting high enough to get him is likely not going to make a turnaround to super bowl contender with one draft class and a talent like Nick will pay off.
I think a lower round pick has a lot more to lose because most teams are going to have multiple options that could work out the same. By being injured, especially as a running back without wow-factor like Saquon Barkley or Zeke, you could easily miss out on opportunities simply by being unavailable. With the average NFL career being what, 3-5 years (especially for running backs with typically one of the shortest), a prospect trying to prove himself could miss out big time.
What does a prospect like Bosa have to prove? Hell, he missed almost an entire season due to injury and he's still projected to go near the top!
If Karan had only played in 3 games this year, he would've had to come back next season
College football is so political it's disgusting. We went 3-1 versus the Big 12 in non conference play this year, had a 7-1 bowl record last year, but are consistently treated like none of that matters - although I will say that bowl matchups aren't a great indicator of the strength of a conference, as regular season is much different. Teams don't have a month to prepare during regular season, plus some teams are more excited for bowl matchups than their opponent, while other teams are disappointed.
If this year's rose bowl wasn't Meyer's supposed last game coaching, I was thinking the Buckeyes would be disappointed with not reaching the playoffs, while Washington would be fired up at a chance to beat Ohio State, making this game closer than it should be.
That said, going 7-1 is still pretty damn good, it's surprising the disrespect the B1G has gotten this year, and even more surprising is Delaney not pulling for the Buckeyes..
However, when Urban Meyer doesn't sound confident about his team's chance in the playoffs, I tend to think he knows - for reference, look at his response after the 2014 B1G championship, compare it to this years, as well as what he said about his team after the 2016 season when they eventually got shut out against Clemson... Doesn't exactly exude confidence at his team's prospects at being victorious
I don't think divisional imbalance is bad, personally. Besides these things change. If the West wants to be more competitive, recruit better! Hire better coaches, invest in your football program!
The difference between the B1G and SEC is the SEC has multiple teams trying to compete for championships, national championships. For most teams in the B1G West, they simply aren't interested and it shows. Listen to people talk about the facilities at Purdue, for example. Purdue is fine with occasionally upsetting Ohio State a couple times every 50 years, and that's it.
If B1G West teams paid out cheddar for their football programs, they would be more competitive.
Divisional realignment wouldn't help much, and playing Michigan twice just sounds lame.
I agree about the Conference matchup. I think rematches in college football are meaningless, they prove nothing when at best you get a split. How many teams would like to get a do-over?! I'm sure Ohio State would've loved a rematch with Purdue this year on a neutral field, especially after weeks of being laughed at for one of the all-time bone-headed games I've personally witnessed! Beating a good team twice is really tough to do, respect the result and move on.
In the NFL, teams play division opponents twice, home and home, for actual playoffs. The season doesn't simply end with questions.
Let me ask you this, who was a better team between Texas and Oklahoma this year, who split a pair of neutral site games?
I know most would say Oklahoma, but what if it was Texas who lost midseason by a field goal, got to hear the noise about losing for a few weeks before getting a rematch against an Oklahoma team touted as playoff worthy? I would give Tom Herman a shot, especially with a healthy Ehlinger or whatever his name is.
My point is that it convolutes further and adds more questions.
Or a team wins twice and we go "I guess they really were the better team!"
I really hope Urban Meyer decides to stay... However I don't think he's dodging the question to "keep recruits" as leaving isn't going to keep them, especially if he's not honest with them, so it just doesn't make sense to lie to them.
At the same time, this defensive staff needs an overhaul, and although it's Taver Johnson's first year, I've seen enough to know our secondary is screwed next season if we keep him. Schiano, Bill Davis and Studrawa all should pack their bags, and maybe Alex Grinch, since I imagine he's partly responsible for the s@#$ show that is our back seven.
I will be truly concerned about Ohio State's future. People can go ahead and point out that Ohio State recruits itself, but so does USC, Texas, Notre Dame, heck even Michigan, and all of those schools had massive issues finding capable HC's. Sure Ryan Day is a great place to start, but if Urban leaves, recruiting takes a massive hit now that we're one more school without a HC with championship pedigree, not to mention the turnover required to get our defense legit again...
If Urban Meyer some how got this team in the playoffs, wins it all as another 4-seed, then decides he wants to step away, I couldn't be mad, only disappointed after all he's done for the program, based off my fears stated above. However I don't think that's likely.
Supposedly rumors were Urban would be coaching at USC next year, so you can't read into stories like this, especially when the media has tried to oust Urban all year, not to mention he has answered this question several times already this year
I see how our defense has looked a lot this year