Can they just give Hartline the added title of co-RB coach, and let him recruit RB's too?
I’m really amazed that some of the top RBs don’t see what an amazing opportunity they have to come in and get early playing time, or even be the featured back immediately, for a school like Ohio State. This is an opportunity that doesn’t exist very often, and I’m shocked somebody hasn’t taken advantage.
I 100% agree. This is something very few people can own up to, but it's true. Fans will see things differently when the player or coach is on your team. Most OSU fans love Urban, and yet he's pretty universally despised elsewhere. When Baker is on your team, you get an up close view of how loyal he is to your team and city, and you realize that while he is controversial, you get the sense he would take a bullet for your team, and do anything for his teammates. Browns fans hated Manziel, and not just because he was a bust. Mayfield works hard, is a great leader, cares about his teammates, fans, etc, everything Manziel wasn't. For every public incident people dislike him for, he does 10 amazing things nobody outside of Cleveland talk about. I get why non-Browns fans don't like him, but I guarantee those same people would love him if he played for their team, whether they will admit that or not.
One little article about Urban among dozens of articles giving OSU news? Kind of an unnecessary comment, just sayin
The difference is Browns players and coaches have done little talking. The hype has been more media driven, but it’s not like the team is making bold proclamations about how great they are, or getting revenge on various teams, etc. Not really sure where the hatred stems from, all Browns fans have done is support and stand behind a losing teams for decades. And now, dare I say, fans finally have some reason to have excitement for once. Oh the humanity!
With all due respect, I’m sure they have thought of this and know what they are doing. Just because it’s similar to what that team up North does, doesn’t mean they will use it exactly the same. They have to do what they feel is best for their defense, not exclude things solely because ichigan may be familiar with it. They will design a defensive gameplan based on ichigan and their offense this season.
Man am I getting old, he looks like one of my 12 year old son's friends
Not Andrew, but personally, I don't see why not. Assuming they land the 3 we all expect these next few weeks, that would put them at 24 total commits, one of which is a kicker who will grayshirt. That gives them room for at least 2 more commits, and quite possible 3-4 if they so chose. And they will be basically set everywhere else, other than maybe CB and DL. With what seems like very few viable options on the DL, I could easily see them bring in 2 more CB's, depending on the players.
I don't agree with you, but I also don't get all the downvotes for simply stating your opinion? I'm far more concerned about Hartline being given opportunities as HC of lower level programs. Someone stated that Hartline doesn't aspire to be anything beyond a position coach, and I sure hope that's true. OSU just better be prepared for dozens of programs trying to pull Hartline for any number of positions, and I'm sure they will do whatever it takes to keep him happy. As for Day, I don't see him going anywhere for a long time, no matter how successful he is, but that's just my opinion.
Thanks for the reply. I guess my basic point is that to say you guys will have a top defense is admitting that Brown is a superior defensive coach than anything OSU has. OSU has been out recruiting Michigan for years, and returns almost everybody. While I get they return guys to a defense that stunk last year, there is a ton of talent there, on paper, I’d have to say nore talent than Michigan. So basically when I read that you guys will just have a great defense, it’s basically the writer saying Brown is so good that he will just make it work. And maybe that’s what will happen, I was just posing the question.
I am curious why so many people just assume that UM will have a top tier defense? I get that this has been the case the last few years, and Don Brown has put together great defenses(until they play us). But they've lost a ton of talent. Also, by shifting the offense philosophy, this may affect their ability to control clock, which also may negatively impact their defense. I can see them taking a huge step back defensively, while OSU should take a huge step forward defensively. Talent wise, OSU will always have more, but this year, I think the talent gap defensively is huge. Now it will come down to coaching and scheme.
That about sums it up. In their minds, they are the only team who does things the right way, and everyone else is cheating, specifically programs that are more successful than they are. My favorite is when they make a comment such as "I'd rather lose the right way than win the wrong way", then proceed to whine and cry about not winning.
Yep, I was over at the blog today, and there was plenty of that narrative. Not to mention, quite a bit of excuse making about how Harbaugh should have been 2-2 against Urban, how they paid the refs the one game, and on and on. I even read one guy crying that Urban ran the score up last year. Ran up the score? I was hoping Urban would not only try to score another TD at the end, but go for 2 for an even 70 points. The denial over there is unreal.
He was talking about the job the recruits are doing at recruiting themselves, saying it’s the best ever in that capacity. I certainly don’t recall a class like this, with so many guys going so far out of their way to help recruit. It’s very cool.
I agree to a small extent, but a few things I would say to counter. First, I don't think it's fair to knock him for the lower rated guys, then refuse to give him credit for studs that they got. When it comes to blue chip studs, I'm sure several people played a part, but I think it's a bit naïve to think the OL coach didn't have something to do with pulling in a big time OL. Second, as far as the lower rated guys not being "plan A guys." While I'm sure they weren't plan A necessarily, they were guys that were taken pretty early in the process. January and March specifically. I have to think these were guys they liked, or they wouldn't have taken them so early. Again, I'm not implying they were top targets, but usually a school like OSU doesn't get desperate over a year before NSD. I also think it's a bit silly to complain about OL recruiting at this moment, what with so many studs like Miller, Vimahi, NPF, Wypler and Paris(and Myers/Munford/Wyatt Davis going back a little further) the last few cycles, and Christman already in the fold for next year. Oh and lastly, using what will go down as one of the great WR classes ever, and almost certainly the greatest ever for OSU, is a bit of an unfair measuring stick. Any position group is likely to pale in comparison.
For the record, I didn't downvote you, and I don't think your points were so unfair, I just disagree on a few things is all
Give me Ransom, Robinson and Cooper, and anything else is just gravy
Solid post! I certainly wasn’t making the case that a class full of 3 stars is the best path to win. I was mainly saying that the recent wave of 3 stars were all likely to commit, it just so happened they did so around the same time, giving the perception of having way more 3 stars than normal. When it’s all said and done, I expect 3-4 5 stars, probably about 8-10 4 stars, a few of which will be borderline 5 star, and the rest 3 stars. Maybe that would be a few more 3 stars than normal, but fairly in line with the norm. Plus, as a few have mentioned, many of the 3 stars were targets of OSU. I think that’s Important, and far different than settling for 3 stars when they are unable to land their desired targets. There will likely be a few of those, but not many.
I think some people get way too worked up when 3 stars commit. Every class, even Urban classes, are filled with several 3 stars. It just so happens OSU has had a run of 3 stars of late. Had Ransom, Robinson, and Cooper been part of this recent wave, I dont think anyone would care if the rest were 3 stars. I just think it’s more a timing thing, as several 3 stars all happened to commit close together. If they sign some of the guys expected, Cooper, Ransom, Kourt, and one of the elite RB’s, this will be a stellar class, and that would be the case even if Urban was still HC
I think they have been early due to the Opening, rather than a Boom coming. I sure hope I'm wrong though
My guess is they go over 25, maybe as many as 27. I say so for the following reasons. First, they only have 5 defensive recruits so far, and they still likely will bring in 2 RB's, at least 1 TE, and likely 1 more WR and OL. So assuming that they add a minimum of 5 more on offense, that puts them at 20 with only 5 on defense. I have to think they add at least 5 more, but likely more like 6-7 on D. Plus, one of their recruits is a kicker that I don't believe will end up counting this year. My guess is they bring in 5 more on offense, 6 on D, and 1 athlete, putting them at 27 including the kicker.
As somebody else said, I think you are thinking of Jarrett. If not, my bad, but I personally didn’t see anything to indicate what you are referring to regarding Fleming
It also depends on the size of classes others bring in. I personally think top 3 is very reasonable, but top 1 or 2 is highly unlikely
I agree that 9 is too high, and probably a 7 or 8 would be more justified, but I will add that we aren't just talking about a talented player, we are talking a guy who would have been their highest rated recruit ever. Yes, he has to prove it on the field, but I think it's fair to give him a little benefit of the doubt based on his make-up, and the fact he has been through a full college season already(albeit not here)
I think what he meant there is while it may seem like his decision is already made(to the good guys), the announcement may not come until later this month. That's my take at least