Now try saying that without your tinfoil hat on.
This is why it was hard for me to get any kind of excited for the season. We all knew this would happen.
I’m struggling to see what “OSU education” has to do with any of this. Nevertheless, it is just a coincidence that Ohio State, the powerhouse of the conference competing for a national championship, is the only B1G university to release a statement and subsequently deploy a mini marketing campaign over it? It’s a coincidence that Day has said - to his knowledge - that no football player had participated in the B1G United? I’m not buying it. Like what has been said above, union busting techniques can be used by those who benefit the most from a lack of change, because the current structure suits them best. I’m giving the athletes the benefit of the doubt a lot more than the grownups in charge of things, because the former is a lot more impressionable than the latter.
Not understanding the concept of organizing will collapse a movement, period.
Athletes should have a voice, but only if it is the right voice?
Why does everything have to be so black and white? I’ve been a part of unions that have had scabs, people that have ulterior motives when trying to organize other workers, and other disagreements, in general. Those disagreements, however, don’t involve praising the boss at a time when your peers are asking for things to be better.
The PAC-12 players, for instance, have literally said that they trust their coaches and universities. That however, is not good enough. Just because a university is skirting by doesn’t negate the experiences of other players. So what Ohio State is doing by releasing this statement is undercutting a lot of their peers in the B1G and PAC-12. Who does this statement really serve? I think it serves the mega brand that is The Ohio State University, not student-athletes as a whole. The experiences of Ohio State players are a hell of a lot different than the experiences of student-athletes in the rest of the conference.
Do you have evidence that Gene is behind this?
Hard evidence? No. Cognition? Yes. I understand how unions work and the malfeasance that can exist on both sides, I’ve helped arbitrate contracts. And it is hard for me to believe administrators haven’t at the least put subliminal talking points into the heads of these athletes.
I think the nuance in finding out whether the players were being scabs or not are finding out the administrators who have been feeding the players talking points and making them sign waivers in order to participate.
The players had no reason to release this statement, which makes me believe Gene and other football boosters wanted to send out a narrative that Ohio State has done everything correct and they shouldn’t be liable for the mistakes of other schools. Which is odd, because Ohio State isn’t having a season if Rutgers or Indiana, for example, can’t control their own outbreaks.
I also think your expectations, as well as mine, for 18-22 year old athletes to fully comprehend organizing are more than likely too high. Sure, it’s gaining steam around the country, but I highly doubt OSU players have done much research or read much literature... and they certainly haven’t had much experience.
I don’t like the letter at all, but like you, I’m willing to give the players some benefit of the doubt as of now. They have a chip on their shoulder from the Clemson game, and I think the coaches have conditioned them as such - as well as human nature - that they want to play football more than anything and win a national championship.
Rondale Moore just opted out. At Purdue just got a lot less daunting.
LSU getting first place votes is.... interesting. Outside of Marshall, Chase, and Stingley, they essentially have to replace their entire team.
I really want Day to get his rematch against Dabo, hopefully in the national championship.
This is a sneaky tough schedule for the last eight games. At Penn State late in the year on a potential wet and cold grass field, but no whiteout and massive crowd noise should help. At Purdue is, well, Ohio State fans know all about that. OSU never blows out Michigan State in East Lansing. Iowa the last game of the year will be challenging, as well.
Honest question, is this conjecture or do you have a source for this?
the NCAA ultimately determined he did not meet the criteria for a medical hardship waiver
Practice is supposed to start on Friday and Saunders still hasn’t heard back from the NCAA...???
Did they, like, lose his application or something?
Anyways, congrats to the seven Buckeye captains. Well deserved for all 7.
*Edit* Welp, looks like Saunders was denied his sixth year a few minutes after this post. Unfortunate.
If Fields had been a starter for two years I think there would be a high probability of him sitting out this season. He’s in a weird position where he’s essentially guaranteed to be a top 5-10 pick, but also needs an extra year to get more comfortable and improve. I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point Wade decides to sit out.
same reasons people think reparations are stupid.
A black family bought prime Manhattan Beach real estate in 1912 for $1,225. They were harassed by racists and their property was completely taken from them. That property is worth $75M today and is just one example of how generational wealth is literally stolen from black and indigenous people because of racism. Reparations doesn’t mean throwing money at someone, it means giving people back their land and resources that were wrongfully stolen from them. To call it stupid is to denigrate the lived experiences of black athletes and their families that came before them. This era is no different than in 1968 when Harry Edwards wrote “The Revolt of the Black Athlete,” players are starting to organize again. And surprise, surprise, it’s garnering the same reaction from certain demographics as it did in 1968.
I hope the words were small enough this time around.
This just isn’t the point that is being made by the PAC-12 student-athletes, like at all. None of them are denying that virulent classism exists for low income students, but reparations is a different argument that is intersectional, with the root of it involving this country’s structural racism.
I’m not going to try and explain the idea of reparations because it would require an entire book and a half, but black and indigenous peoples have been putting out literature on the idea for decades. Reparations doesn’t just mean make all poor people not poor, that involves extraneous governance efforts outside of the reparations argument.
The revenue sharing is split evenly among ALL athletes, not just black athletes. Two percent of conference revenue would be allocated towards financial aid for low income black students, community initiatives, and development programs for college athletes i.e. reparations-lite.
*Edit* this is in response to Spartan’s post, I thought I hit the reply button.
I guess respecting workers’ rights violates the commenting policy, but telling teenagers to eat shit will propagate the echo chamber, cool, cool, cool.
And you’re a Michigan troll, does the rest of the board outside the recruiting forums know that?
Yeah I don’t think I disagree with a single thing in this letter. The whole point is that measly, disingenuous reforms have gotten the NCAA to the mafia-like point in which they currently reign. These athletes want legitimate change, and I can’t blame them for it. It is long overdue that they get proper representation.
I know this has been beaten to death, but what on earth is the appeal of Oklahoma for him?
Insiders are saying that Oklahoma is rising, but is there any evidence as to why?
Would not surprise me in the slightest.
I assumed no fans were going to be allowed. Europe has this under control relative to the United States, and none of the major soccer leagues allowed fans to attend.
Ohio State should have more national titles, I agree they’ve underachieved in that respect. ‘15 and ‘19 teams had the most complete talent in the nation, in my opinion.
Really, really, really difficult to complain about anything else, though. Ohio State has been the most consistent college program in this century, and depending on your metrics, the second most successful program in the century.
No season probably benefits Shaun. He’s probably moved up 10-15 spots in the draft just from staying, and if no one else plays, a year of training with no contact would benefit his body while also making him another few million. Hopefully we can watch one last go around of him, though. He’s certainly the most important defender on the team, as of now.