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Comment 16 hours ago

Injuries happen in football. He was hit from behind by two Miss players who  pulled him down on his knees, which jammed his femur into his hip. This could happen to any player at any time, with just the right combination of weight and angle. Nothing was deliberate and the tackles were clean. 

Is he supposed to sit Tua until Auburn? Or tell him to leave for the NFL? He's a HC that is charged with winning games and giving his players as much opportunity to play as possible.

Comment 16 hours ago

This is a very serious injury if the reports are accurate, and from how this was handled , it sounds like it. 

He has a displacement and a acetabulum fracture. The acetabulum is the hip socket in the pelvis. It is a very difficult fracture to repair, and depending on the repair needed and the health/condition of the person, sometimes they skip just repairing it and go right to a hip replacement due to the damage done to the lining, etc. of the acetabulum. Those types of fracture repairs often result in arthritis which is why hip replacements are sometimes done instead if arthritis is the likely future complication. 

In order to get the best outcome,, patients need to have surgery ASAP at very highly skilled and experienced trauma centers. Tua was actually airlifted back to Alabama  to St. Vincents Medical Center which is telling. A lot of blood vessels run through that area also, along with major nerves such as the sciatic. I can only imagine the pain.

Tua won't even be weight bearing on that leg for several months. I personally think this is career ending for him, but he is an athlete and stranger things have happened. I believe it's the same leg he had the ankle surgery on. Best wishes for a full recovery for him, but he is done at Alabama.

Comment 13 Nov 2019

I'm sure part of the NCAA investigation was as to whether OSU knew prior to not reporting and didn't report promptly. That would be an infraction by the school itself. The NCAA would have talked to the OSU compliance department, Chase, other's involved in this, Day and all the other coaches, and whoever filed the notice if it was filed directly to the NCAA, bypassing OSU.

The school would have been penalized and it would have been announced by the NCAA.

The clowns stating that OSU knew and waited to report are the same ones accusing the NCAA of a cover up.

Comment 13 Nov 2019

The NCAA never announced a suspension for Young. This is the problem with all the scrambled reporting on this early, with each sports pundit trying to outdo the next one with a scoop pretending to know stage this was in. 

We don't know if Chase was reported to the NCAA initially by someone, or directly to OSU's compliance.  And we do not know if the NCAA said he was suspended for four games right out of the gate, or what. Wait until Gene speaks at 5:30 and any details we get at that point. EVERYTHING else is just speculation.

Comment 13 Nov 2019

Ok, Harb or whatever, 

You honestly believe that the NCAA investigated this, knows that this friend is an agent, and the committee that enforces penalties and judges appeals, etc., consisting of four individuals representing  other member schools , including a lawyer from the Naval Academy,( the fifty is from OSU, and was recused) are going to cover it up and just give him 2 game suspensions?

Conspiracies run deep in the U/M world, because apparently they have nothing else to hang onto. 

Comment 13 Nov 2019

11W posted the actual rule a few days ago. They can borrow money from actual lending sources, such as a bank or credit union, and they can receive a loan from a family member or from a friend whose relationship with the athlete began prior to them being recruited to college football.

There is a reason for this...….Once it becomes clear that a teenager has a future in a sport in college and possibly professionally, it's easy to have agents, bookies, and lots of nefarious people take advantage of them by offering them loans. Then, the person has power over the student , and can use that power to blackmail them or just really screw up their future sport and academic life.  That is why they must clear any loan first with the compliance office, who will make sure the rules are being adhered and the student isn't being screwed over. 

Remember, many student athletes do not come from households where both parents are available and financially positioned to help the student. Or they believe money being requested by the student is not a wise use of funds by them. 

Comment 11 Nov 2019

"The point is Dabo was (is) running a dirty, steroid-filled program and the sports media and the NCAA showed zero interest in giving them the OSU treatment"

And you know this how?

This is not unlike the same kind of nasty hyperbole running rampant on MGo. According to numerous posters over there, Chase and numerous other players at OSU are getting payments from agents to attend OSU. The story about it being a loan was because OSU, Urban and Day all know what is going on because they are running a "dirty program", and when caught , they had to make up the story about the cash payments being a loan. Forged the paper work also to submit to the NCAA, which will wink and nod and let it go because it's OSU and makes them millions.  By the way, according to their posters, Chase and a lot of the starters don't go to class and all drive new vehicles.

And If I read one more poster claiming that OSU' s wins had to be vacated because players sold gold pants for tattoos, I'm going to lose it. Our wins were vacated becase the coach at the time KNEW his players had violated NCAA rules, said nothing, then lied to NCAA investigators about it after initially lying to OSU about what he knew. He knowingly played ineligible players in games and finally admitted to the NCAA and to OSU that he lied about the entire situtaion , his excuse was because he thought the players could be in danger from the mob if it came out they were getting tats in a shop under FBI surveillance.

You think the NCAA and OSU should have just shrugged that off? Had Tressel reported the players infractions to the AD and to the NCAA, suspended them for a game or two( as is being done currently with Chase) , the NCAA would have likely accepted OSU's solution to the violations and Tressel would have remained, as would the season. But no, Tressel lied and continued to lie to NCAA investigators until his emails revealing what he knew turned up and he had to admit he lied. 

This is why OSU is very vigilant now about self reporting and cooperating with the NCAA on investigations. 

Comment 11 Nov 2019

This is what I have tried to emphasize to 11 W members here over the last few years that these decisions are not made by Mark Emmert and a couple of members of NCAA's administration. These kinds of decisions and the rules that dictate how these decisions are made and the actual rules that member NCAA schools abide by are decided by the member schools themselves via their representatives. The people on these committees serve for a number of years and people are rotated in and out.

Thanks for posting this 383. These committees and their members and their resumes can be found on the NCAA website. 

Comment 09 Nov 2019

It's not just about the amount of money. Student athletes CAN borrow money from family and friends. However, the friend has to have been an established relationship with the athlete before he was recruited to the particular school, it cannot be a loan based on performance, and it must be initially cleared with the schools compliance department.

In Chase's case, he said in his statement that this "friend" became known to him prior to his enrollment at OSU. So this friend was someone who appeared in Chase's life after he was recruited, which is a violation. That will be part of the penalty. Then comes the money amount. 

And considering the crazy takes on this I've read on 11W the last few days, the reason for this rule is to help keep bagmen and nefarious individuals away from premier college athletes. It's not to indenture them or one of the other thousand loony ideas I've read here. IF there were no such rule, organized crime, gangs, and who knows what else can make easy prey of an 18-20 year old.  The reason these rules are in place for athletes and not violin majors is because it would be highly unusual for Vinny the Icepick to have a betting ring going on the next string ensemble's competition. A Div 1 football game is a different story.

Comment 09 Nov 2019

Because OSU was only alerted to Chase's loan situation on the Monday after the Wisconsin game. If OSU had actually known about this earlier in the season, and didn't suspend Chase and inform the NCAA of the situation, OSU would be looking at severe penalties for the program itself.

The rumors are that someone who knew of this loan called in and reported it. People are guessing all kinds of conspiracies, from Michigan's staff who had just returned from Maryland, to Maryland fans themselves, to who knows. ANYONE can report a possible infraction to either a school compliance department or directly to the NCAA. That includes you or I , I believe the NCAA has a page and form online to do just that.

Comment 08 Nov 2019

Yes, it is. You cannot have a non family member buy you dinner, loan you a car, or pay off any kind of obligations. You can thank the bagmen who actually got caught for those draconian rules.

Remember just a year or so ago when one of the players for a Div 1 basketball team( can't remember which one, it was high profile) was suspended because his parents and he were taken out for dinner by an agent, who the mother said later, was really shady. The player left early, and while Mom and Dad left as soon as they could, the tab ended up a whopping $87 and was paid by the agent, which is a violation. NCAA resolved it by making said player pay a charity the $87 and he got to play the next game.

The tangled web of rules has been created like most organizational messes. Overreaction to events, so more and more rules, laws, etc. get piled on to fix perceived horrible problem until there is no way to make sense out of it, and then the unintended consequences occur. 

This lawyer has his own agenda and has leeched onto Chase, which I am not happy about. if he wants to attack the NCAA's rule making committees and enforcement, fine, but don't use a current player as your weapon. 

Comment 08 Nov 2019

Ok, I'm going to throw a flag on some of the statements in the post.

"OSU has the largest compliance office in the country. At last count, they have 8 attorneys working in compliance. Compliance has been removed from the athletic department. Ever since the Jim O'Brien matter, OSU compliance have increasingly acted more like the Gestapo than people who are in place to protect student athletes. They have a terrible gotcha culture"

The compliance office is NOT removed from the athletic department. Here is the link to the directory for the athletic department, and it includes the entire compliance department, located in the Fawcett center. First link is to the actual current structure of the AD.

https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Department-of-Athletics-Business-Advancement-7-2019.pdf

https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/staff-directory/

There are 13 compliance directors and a couple of support staff. Out of the 13, there are several who earned their law degrees after they served as compliance officers at other schools. It appears that all of them were student athletes while in school, having first person experience with NCAA compliance.

You cannot have a school the size of OSU, and a huge athletic department which is organized as a separate entity from OSU, and not have a lot of compliance officers, who also have legal backgrounds. Most of our varsity sports have a dedicated compliance officer, for which I don't see why that is a bad thing.

I have zero understanding why people are clamoring for us to become a school that attempts to sweep rule breaking and non compliance under the rug.  Try to hide it because we believe other schools do. Rather childish approach to the problem. 

Don't forget, these student athletes are adults. They are not children. They can read rules just like the rest of us. They can go to compliance officers , who obviously are available ( in particular, football has a dedicated officer) to ask if such and such is within guidelines. Those compliance officers( football worked for the NCAA for seven years, for heaven's sake) can directly ask for a ruling from the NCAA on a question. It's not that hard. We have a handful of self reported minor violations each semester because of the quagmire of rules from the NCAA throughout all sports, which OSU has 1040 student athletes. Knowing how the NCAA rules are such a spider web, I can't really accept that a student wouldn't take advantage of the compliance and legal advice available to them.

But as I said on an earlier thread, they are young adults, who make mistakes, dumb choices, and think sometimes they can slide through on stuff. 

We don't know the full story , all we know is what Chase has said, since OSU has not put out any kind of official statement yet, nor has the NCAA. Chase said he made a "mistake", which may or may not have been deliberate. He'll pay the hopefully appropriate and no more price, and we move on. 

Comment 08 Nov 2019

You realize that the NCAA is made up of a large number of member schools. The Athletic Directors and Presidents of those schools, along with other athletic department staff of those schools, retired members, and the public make up the committees, write the rules, hear violations and determine punishments? That includes Ohio State.

There is no nefarious corrupt business organization called the NCAA, making millions off of athletes. It's a freaking non profit organization in which all money paid in but administrative staff salaries is returned to leagues and member schools each year, and is where stipends for athletes, scholarships, etc. come from.

A Twenty member committee will decide Chase's punishment.  A five member appeals committee will decide if it was correct or not.

Here is the link to the compliance and enforcement committees at the NCAA. The following is a quote from their guideline documents.

Developed with significant input from members, the guidelines were reviewed by membership groups including the Division I Council, the Division I Committee on Infractions, and the Division I Enforcement and Infractions Review Group (a group composed of representatives of the membership to review and recommend improvements to the infractions process) and approved by the Division I Board of Directors.

https://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/division-i-enforcement-charging-guidelinesrd of Directors.

Here is a link to the actual members of the committee on infractions. it has twenty people on it currently, including public members.

https://web1.ncaa.org/committees/committees_roster.jsp?CommitteeName=1INFRACTION

Infraction appeals committee

https://web1.ncaa.org/committees/committees_roster.jsp?CommitteeName=1APPEALS

And for the grande finale, the following is a list of all the committees in just Div.1 alone. 

https://www.ncaa.org/governance/committees?division=d1

Comment 08 Nov 2019

Despite having been a student 100 years ago, my memories of struggling just to eat, put gas in a 20 year old car, and pay for my room in a delapidated house off campus is still quite vivid. I can see where suddenly, a twenty year old student finds they can't make all the bill payments that are due at once, put gas in the car, and make a CC payment.  I had to call my parents occasionally for a "loan" into my checking account . Stipends for living expenses for athletes is probably paid monthly or semester, and young adults sometimes learn to budget the hard way, LOL. The NCAA is going to have to have him sit for a game for this. But if they decide to make an example out of him, they will be destroying any case they have about making strict rules on earning money while playing.

Comment 08 Nov 2019

It was a family friend, not a family member. And yes, the NCAA doesn't count "friends" as part of your family paying for college. Agents can be friends, bagmen can be friends, mobsters can be friends. 

Comment 03 Nov 2019

The new President and administration at MSU is absolutely bent on making a statement that MSU will never tolerate ANY hint of tolerance of any kind of sexual assault or other illegal activities from any of it's administration, staff, coaches, or players.   I believe they are going to go full "Guilty until proven innocent beyond any doubt".  

Dantonio will be gone, IMO , after this season. The fact he has to testify in person in one of his player's trials in January pretty much seals it. I personally don't know if Izzo will be safe from this administration either, due to the past problems with players and accusations against him in the basketball program. 

This isn't hyperbole. Read some of the non-sports articles about recent actions and press releases from the current president and administration at MSU and you'll see what I am saying has merit.

The problem is going to be getting a new coach. It's going to be tough to convince any coach to step into a failing program in which your administration will destroy you if anyone in your program ends up in any kind of issue with the law. Dantonio was willing to recruit and accept HS kids with past histories of problems that he thought he could turn around with coaching and mentoring.  A new coach will not be allowed to do that, yet will be expected to bring in players who can win. I don't know how you do that when you are no longer a premier program.

Comment 03 Nov 2019

Agree with the above and also would point out that Urban is being kept very busy with developing the leadership and real life programs in the athletic department at OSU for all the different varsity and intermural sports , plus teaching a leadership course at Fisher. I watched a bit of his Fox analyst discussion yesterday. He looks like he did when he first came to OSU. He has turned back the clock about 8 years. He seems so comfortable and really enjoying discussing details of the mechanics of football and what he sees in plays, etc. He seems healthier, very happy, and has said that although he worried when he first left coaching that in six months , he would be unhappy, wanting to be coaching, that is not what has happened. He loves what he is doing.

Gene Smith should get big kudos for recognizing what Urban would need in retirement from coaching, when I'm sure Urban couldn't see it. Gene provided him with a soft landing, direction, purpose, and involvement in the athletic department which is a big departure from not only what happens to other coaches, but what happened to Urban when he left Florida. 

He is NOT going to go to another HC gig. This constant clamoring from the pundits and some fans that he is going to go to USC or to ND or even to some small college is the same thing that happened with Tressel left. Constant speculation and assuredness that Tressel would be named a HC somewhere after his show clause ended. Never mind that Tressel repeatedly said he loved being the Pres. of Youngstown State, it was a dream job for him, he was done with coaching etc.  

The only thing I'm currently surprised about is that I haven't seen his name bandied about for the USC or ND jobs, LOL.

Comment 30 Oct 2019

He had a coarctation of the aorta treated when he was 12. Apparently the repair is not strong enough to play football nor is he a candidate for new surgery.  That really sucks.  I have a family member with the same initial diagnosis as a child and has had to have subsequent surgery to repair further issues with the aorta as an older adult. Here's hoping that he continues to live life to the fullest and can eventually have treatment/surgery to provide him with a happy, long life.

Comment 30 Oct 2019

Let's be honest. 

No one is being pimped by boosters to go to a certain school as an engineer on scholarship.obligating them to do the booster's bidding.

No one is paying a music majors family thousands of dollars a year in exchange for a violinist to attend a certain school, thereby enslaving the family.

The rules regarding outside compensation from the NCAA were designed, even though they may have flaws, to actually protect a student  athlete and his/her family from being taken advantage of by outside people whose motives may be to simply improve their favorite school chances of winning an athletic competition, to criminals using an athlete to fix a competition because of threats of financial ruin.

College sports has gone from few to no scholarships and players worked outside of class to support themselves, to scholarships, to full ride scholarships, to full medical care, to full insurance against future medical and loss of work potential , to highly detailed training facilities, to nutritional support via extra meals, to additional professional potential support in both their sport and work, to additional cost of living stipends, to now allowing additional pay for likeness and endorsement deals. 

Tell me how many engineering students whose products they develop at OSU have to either share or release the patent to OSU, get these kinds of benefits? Or how many music majors?  Then tell me again how abused and unfairly treated these student athletes are.

Comment 29 Oct 2019

I have to hand it to the Ichigan fan's. They came up with something I hadn't yet formulated, but you can bet at team of lawyers from Michigan Law School is doing this right now as part of a lobbying effort toward both the NCAA and whatever favorite legislators is on the roster for Michigan.

Magnum P.I.

October 29th, 2019 at 4:58 PM ^

There should be people in the AD at Michigan right now developing a strategic plan for how to exploit this system to the maximum extent possible. We need to hire a team of people whose job it is to identify Michigan-friendly corporate sponsors who will systematically pay every player that signs an LOI with us (in exchange for their image on a billboard or something). For example (using companies led by Michigan alumni):

$10,000/year to every player from JetBlue
$50,000/year to every player from H&R Block
$30,000/year to every player from Craigslist
$10,000/year to every player from Bacardi Corp
$80,000/year to every player from General Electric
$20,000/year to every player from Five Guys Burgers
$20,000/year to every player from Chrysler Corp

And then there should be a development team to secure ~$1M per year contributions (i.e., endorsements for using players' images on their whatevers) from private individuals, including Michigan alumni such as Tom Borders, Brad Keywell, Niklas Zennstrom, Stephen Ross, and Larry Page. These could be distributed equally among all players or on a performance basis. 

All-in-all, combined with university-based merchandise sales, I want to see every Michigan player guaranteed about $200,000-$300,000 per year in earnings just for signing with Michigan.

We're always noting how we're a better school academically than OSU, Alabama, and all the other schools who outperform us in football. Well, now we can take advantage of our being smarter and more successful to dominate in football, too.  

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Comment 29 Oct 2019

This entire situation is being driven by legislatures, aka, politicians who are simply looking for votes out of young adults.  We have an entire generation of young people whose majority believe they are getting screwed by student loans, no jobs in their oddball major, etc so anytime you insert the word "fair" into any demand, they are going to wholeheartedly support it.

I don't want to violate rules by placing a political post, but college sports fans need to realize who is behind this , their motives, and what it is ultimately going to cost college sports.  

Posters here have proposed limits, rules, etc. for the NCAA to consider to help build in safeguards. What you all are not looking at is that the people who want this to happen do NOT want any safeguards.  They want to overturn the NCAA's ability as a volunteer membership non profit organization to determine rules for it's member schools and replace those rules with a government knows best idea, which is simply camouflage for what they are actually motivated by. 

Gene Smith can live in some dream world where he believes the government will leave the NCAA alone if it comes up with some rules to allow players to be bought by outside endorsements, but I do not believe the government will stop there. Whatever the NCAA comes up with will be lawfared and sued and overturned, which then will green light the government to come in to take control.

It pains me to say it, but I really think we are at the peak of college sports, particularly in football, and possibly basketball.  We ought to enjoy the next few years, because eventually college sports will be diminished and eventually destroyed by politicians and well meaning administrators under the guise of fairness. The demand for players to be not only subsidized in full for their education, but also be paid government dictated salaries, equivalent percentages of endorsement and advertising income, etc will not cease until college athletics can't financially support it.. Places such as Eleven Warriors will be required to pay royalties on any photos of any player they use and of any game day video or likenesses.  Appearances at media day, or at post game shows, etc. will demand a fee be paid to the athlete, who will eventually be allowed an agent to negotiate those fees. Those fees are all going to be passed on to fans, until it's unsustainable.

Comment 26 Oct 2019

"Meyer has hung up his whistle and taken up a roll as an analyst, but make no mistake, he's still all Buckeye, even referring to Ohio State's student body as "my students." "

I'm always a bit puzzled why sports writers and frankly, many posters here think that Meyer is out of OSU and on his own. He's a paid employee of the OSU athletic department, is continuing to develop and administer student athlete advancement and development programs for all of the other sports programs at OSU, and is teaching a leadership class at Fisher Business College at OSU. He's on campus through the week when he's not on location for his broadcasting assignments. 

It's why the Urban to Michigan meme is hilarious as is the USC coaching rumor.  I'm sure he is staying out of Day's orb on a day to day basis, but he still is going to be helping football players with future plans, and I'm sure may be a question or two occasionally from the staff. I think he's one of the lucky coaches to have the kind of support in retirement he has. He actually has defined responsibilities in the athletic department that don't involve coaching and he is quite scheduled throughout the week. It's a stark contrast to other coaches who retired , remained with the university more as emeritus coaches, which gave them lots of opportunity and need to meddle in their old team. Lloyd Carr comes to mind.

Comment 20 Oct 2019

LOL, just ventured over there for a minute. They have had a few hours to recharge the arrogance batteries. There is an entire new thread now about how they refs screwed them over. 

Here's a gem from that thread.

The Mad Hatter

October 20th, 2019 at 11:57 AM ^

We've been getting fucked by officiating since Bo was coaching. Either they're on the take, or they just don't like the arrogant asses of Ann Arbor.

Probably because they couldn't get in.

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