My guess is that neither player starts and Holtmann goes with the same starting 5 as the Nebraska game.
What were all the other issues? They had 12 turnovers, but 3 or 4 of those were in the last few mins when the game was at hand.
They played far from perfect and Nebraska is not that tough of an opponent, but with two rotation players out, I thought it was a solid win.
In the OP's defense, just because we have not heard anything yet does not mean there isn't some truth to what he posted.
I imagine Holtmann meets with the media today since there is a game tomorrow. If there is a suspension, we will likely find out in a few hours.
Got ya. Not great news if true obviously, but I did not want to hear that it was another 2 week suspension (Kam Williams, Kaleb Wesson).
Does your source at least know why and if it is more than one game?
Amazing game. Nail biters are grear (if the Bucks win the game obviously), but thoroughly kicking a rival team's ass is great fun. No stress.
How about the backdoor pass from Kaleb to Kam Williams for the baseline dunk?
Not a terrible idea. He has been really solid lately. I do think, much like his brother, he struggles when faced against good athleticism and length. The Wesson bros are both very skilled, but both lack athleticism.
That being said, if Andre has a favorable match-up, I am all for getting him the ball more. I actually think he is pretty underrated when he gets the ball in the post, especially if he has a smaller or like size defender.
It hasn't been an issue yet (nearly 48% from the field and over 40% on threes) in 16 games, but will be going forward. Got it.
Stop telling me what kind of fan to be.
Obviously they are playing horrible right now. I am not sure how anyone could deny that. But I have seen sicker dogs get well.
I choose to support the team (I will be in attendance at the Nebraska game) and hope they turn it around.
You keep complaining and patting yourself on the back for being miserable. Fine by me.
I have no problem with DJ Carton's shot, other than maybe having a little quicker release. I have seen that complaint on other threads as well.
DJ is shooting 48% from the field and 41% from three point land. During this 4 game losing streak, he is the only player, besides Andre Wesson, that is shooting the ball well from deep: 5-10.
His turnovers are a big reason why the Buckeyes are struggling. But his shooting is just fine. In fact, it is pretty damn good.
'I am a fan and probably none bigger'
Supposedly. You mention CJ Saunders, Clemson, and an 18 game Big 10 season.
And they failed to be competitive, except maybe Wisconsin? They were winning at the half against WVU and IU and their biggest loss was by 12 pts. The offense has been terrible, no doubt about it. But all of the games have been competitive.
He missed most of the offseason and some of fall practices with a back injury. I know the last time Holtmann commented on Ahrens a week or two ago, he said he still wasn't where they wanted him to be.
'Ohio State knew it needed at least one of the upperclass guards to step up. All three have been rough recently.'
I agree that the guards have been awful. Duane was really good until his injury, but has been a different player since. And Luther and CJ were solid until the last 2 weeks and their play has fallen off a cliff.
But just to nitpick, the definition of upperclassmen is 'a junior or senior in high school or college.' The Buckeyes have one upper class guard (Walker), two if you include Danny Hummer.
If Ryan Day's squad goes on a 4 game losing streak during their 31 game schedule, no I will not accept it. Great point.
Also, please quit saying 9-9. They play 20 conference games in the Big 10 and they have for a couple of years. You probably don't realize that because you only started foolowing the basketball team after the football season ended.
Give me a break. He took over a program that did not make the ncaa tourney in the two previous years.
They won 25 games and an ncaa tourney game his first season (oh yeah, Holtmann was Big 10 COY). They won 21 games and an ncaa tourney game his 2nd year. They are 12-5 with some good wins in mid January. And you want to fire him?
Let the man coach. The season ain't over yet and he is still trying to build this program.
It has been a regression if you are basing it on December 29th at 1pm (they were beating WVU 37-31 at the half) until January 11th.
From early November until the 2nd half of WVU game, they were 12-1 with blowout wins over Nova and PSU and a neutral site win over Kentucky. Their lone loss was without a starter who was playing great up until that point (Duane Washington).
Could this season spiral into a 'complete regression?' Sure. But I don't think you can judge a season on two weeks of basketball. The offense has been terrible these last 4 games. There is no sugarcoating it. But give Holmann and company a chance to flip to script.
I don't why we need a new thread on this topic, but at least be accurate if you are going to be redundant.
This is not the 3rd season the Buckeyes have struggled in January. In Holtmann's 1st season, they struggled in November and December (4 losses).
In January, they went 9-1 including an annihilation of then #1 ranked Michigan State. Their lone loss was by 3 pts on a 30 footer banked in by Nittany Lion Tony Carr.
I don't love the excuse either. But can you name all these teams with far less experience that are playing better?
I mean, damn near every team in the country is playing better than the Buckeyes have the last 4 games. But just curious what teams that are younger than the Buckeyes have a 12-5 record or better with quality wins similar to Nova, PSU, and Kentucky?
Again, I don't love the excuse, but the Bucks have one senior. Andre, Kyle, and Kaleb kind of are what they are at this point in their career. The ceiling of this team has nearly everything to do with the Freshmen and Sophomores on this team. I have no idea how many really good teams have 4 or more Frosh/Sophs in their main rotation. But I am sure there are quite a few that only have 1-3 in the mix.
That is not an option for this team. DJ, EJ, Duane, Luther, etc need to get better and fast or a disappoitning early January will turn into a disappointing season.
In the last 10 years, the following has happened with the Buckeye basketball program:
8 NCAA Tourney Appearances
2 Sweet 16s
1 Elite 8
1 Final 4
3 Big 10 Championships
2 Big 10 Tourney Championships
4 All Americans (ET, Sully, DRuss, KBD)
2 Big 10 POYs (ET, KBD)
4 Big 10 COYs ( Thad Matta 3 times, Chris Holtmann once)
If your expectations are national titles, I suppose it has been forgettable, as it has for literally every other Big 10 school. Or maybe it is National Runner Up, since you referenced the Oden-Conley team.
Personally, I think you missed out on a lot of fun stuff. But to each their own, I suppose. Enjoy the football team.
Yeah, the Wisky loss stings. Maryland and WVU are legit Top 10-15 teams and neither game was played at home. I am ok with those losses.
Wisky is solid, but by no means a lock ncaa tournament team. No reason to lose that game, even without Kyle. If just one player besides Kaleb has a decent game, I think the Bucks win.
Well yeah, if we shoot 30% and 18% on threes, I'd say we lose all 6.
The good news about potentially getting back on track: 1. We hopefully get Kyle Young back. 2. Duane is hopefully fully recovered and the flu/illnesses (Gaffney, Walker, etc) has run its course. 3. The defenses, on paper, aren't as good. Ken Pom Def Efficiency ratings: wvu (4), wisky (25), maryland (7). The next 6 games: iu (52), nebraska (159), psu (36), minney (66), nw (98), iu (52).
Yeah, nothing tops the Sylvester shot against Illinois for me. Seeing JJ Sullinger beaming with joy and being carried on the shoulders of fans on the court, despite not even being on the court for the final play, was equally hilarious and awesome.
A close second was the Buckeyes drubbing of then #1 MSU in Holtmann's first year. Dakich hit the near halfcourt shot at the halftime buzzer, Kam had a sweet dunk on a backdoor cut set up by Coach Pedon, and Keita was nearly unstoppable.
That was when I realized for sure we had hired the right guy in Holtmann. I still believe that today despite the 3 game losing streak.
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Excellent post. I think that getting on track in Bloomington would be huge. I have nearly 100% confidence of beating the Hoosiers at home and would be at 80% or so on a neutral floor.
But that crowd will be crazy. And I fully expect to be on the wrong side of nearly every 50/50 call from the refs. That is par for the course at Assembly Hall.
But the Buckeyes could be getting a huge boost if Kyle Young plays. And I truly believe this team has hit rock bottom with their shooting woes. Water has to find its level soon. Hopefully the outside shooting starts to turn around on Saturday.
Did you watch the Kentucky game? Carton was the best player on the floor in the 2nd half.