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Andy Vance


Columbus, Ohio (via Hillsboro, Ohio)

MEMBER SINCE   October 22, 2012

Farm kid from Southern Ohio, writing about the WrestleBucks at the best sports site on the interwebz.


  • SPORTS MOMENT: Taking my dad to The Shoe for the first time.
  • NFL TEAM: Pittsburgh Steelers
  • NHL TEAM: Columbus Blue Jackets
  • NBA TEAM: The Los Angeles Lakers of my youth
  • MLB TEAM: Cincinnati Reds, I guess...?
  • SOCCER TEAM: Columbus Crew

Recent Activity

Comment 07 Dec 2019

J Jaggers said Thursday that "obviously we have some decisions to make at 133" because long-term, asking Kinner to keep cutting to 133 may not be in his best interest. The bigger question to me isn't so much if Koontz takes the spot, but if they pull Decatur's redshirt.

That said, if you'd told me Koontz would make it to the semis - and score bonus points along the way - I may have been just a wee skeptical. So anything is possible!

Comment 06 Dec 2019

Kinner definitely wants to wrestle 141. Echemendia's commitment makes things interesting, because he wants to wrestle that spot, too. Sasso seems most logical at 149, so the question is if he could bump up to 157 next year or not. There are a few different combinations with those three guys, but we'll see how things shake out when Echemendia gets to campus in the next few weeks.

Comment 01 Dec 2019

The WrestleStat breakdown was really interesting on this one, for sure. At first blush you look at the lineup and don't see a bunch of numbers in front of Cornell's names, but you don't see a bunch of Ls in their season records, either.

And you're absolutely right that with their Oly redshirts in play, this is a scary lineup for Cornell. They're such an interesting program to watch.

Comment 29 Nov 2019

Coach Ryan believes that the dual meet should be more important in deciding the national championship than it is currently because duals are what most fans come out to see throughout the season, and those meets should be more than glorified exhibitions. The answer is longer and more complicated than that, but at its core there is a school of thought that says dual meets should mean more than they do in the current system.

Comment 27 Nov 2019

Worse yet, they apparently know that I live half a block from a Penn Station, so they're making assumptions about me and trying to tempt me to walking down the street for lunch... Hey, I'll be back in a little bit.

Comment 27 Nov 2019

This isn't a big mystery at all. Click in the little button on any ad on this site and it will explain to you fairly clearly why you're seeing a given ad. For example:

Here is an interesting FAQ/tutorial on "interest-based advertising" from the Interactive Advertising Bureau for anyone interested. 

Comment 17 Nov 2019

From what I saw they got their asses handed to them in a lot of matches.

Four 125-pounders on the roster currently: Heinselman, Jacob Decatur, Brady Koontz and Hunter Lucas. Koontz is taking an Olympic redshirt to focus on his Greco-Roman aspirations. Lucas isn't a better option than Heinselman and Decatur is certainly a redshirt.

There is some chatter than Jordan Decatur could theoretically burn his redshirt and drop down to 125. I'm not sure what his walking-around weight is now to know what kind of a cut that is for him. Tom Ryan's rule for burning a redshirt is you have to think the guy is capable of placing at the NCAA tournament. You don't burn a redshirt to have a guy get bounced in the second round.

Comment 17 Nov 2019

To some extent this is a byproduct of recruiting guys who have been standout freestyle wrestlers. The knock on Ohio State over the past four or five years has been that the Buckeyes are an exceptional freestyle program that doesn't like folkstyle all that much. I asked Coach Ryan about that early last season and he said it's a fair criticism.

That said, the program has also produced guys like Logan Stieber who are among the best folkstyle guys in the history of the sport - J Jaggers sure as heck was a helluva folkstyle wrestler, and he's coaching these Buckeyes every day. But if you look at the pedigree of Ohio State's top guys of late, there's a lot of high-level freestyle experience in their backgrounds.

Comment 17 Nov 2019

I'd have to go back and look at the classes those guys were in, but that's the book on a lot of the local guys that "got away" over the past several years. Ohio State either landed or were heavily invested in higher-ranked guys who ended up elsewhere. Demas is a good example. And sometimes you have guys like Marinelli at Iowa who didn't want to go to Ohio State because that's what you expect a big-time Ohio recruit to do - kids want to make their own way sometimes.

Comment 17 Nov 2019

From what I saw they got their asses handed to them in a lot of matches.

Here's my take on how things went in the matches they dropped:

  • 133 - Kinner has the ability to win that match. He didn't show enough offense - at all.
  • 149 - Sasso got caught; I won't call it a fluke because Moore is a good wrestler, but Sasso is still legit.
  • 157 - Hayes ends up wrestling in this spot. I wasn't sure that was in the cards before tonight.
  • 174 - Kaleb Romero is your starter moving forward.
  • 184 - Still up for grabs. Steiner isn't the blue chipper Hoffman was, but Hoffman hasn't shown he wants it yet.
  • 125 - Heinselman hasn't proven that he's strong enough physically or mentally to be an All American.

So your last comment is spot on: schedule teams like Pitt and VaTech early - run the guys through the crucible and see who wants it and what they need to do to make the podium when it matters. No one likes to lose a dual, but team wins/losses matter very little.

Comment 17 Nov 2019

He absolutely could be.

I've been of the mind that the plan is to plug Echemendia in at 157 when January comes, but it's not clear yet what his status will be when he enrolls second semester. I think the staff is waiting on further clarity that he can wrestle right away or not; if he can, can he bulk up enough to wrestle at '57? If the answer to either of those questions is no, Hayes is absolutely the best option on the table if he's healthy.