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Andy Vance 12th Warrior

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Columbus, Ohio (via Hillsboro, Ohio)

Member since 22 October 2012 | Blog

Farm kid from Southern Ohio, writing about the WrestleBucks at the best sports site on the interwebz.

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  • SPORTS MOMENT: Taking my dad to The Shoe for the first time.
  • COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER: Archie Griffin
  • COLLEGE BASKETBALL PLAYER: Jerry Lucas
  • NFL TEAM: Pittsburgh Steelers
  • NHL TEAM: Columbus Blue Jackets
  • NBA TEAM: The Los Angeles Lakers of my youth
  • MLB TEAM: Cincinnati Reds, I guess...?
  • SOCCER TEAM: Columbus Crew

Recent Activity

Comment 17 Jun 2018

Caniff was a fellow son of beautiful Hillsboro, Ohio. His work is featured in an exhibit at Ohio State's Billy Ireland Cartoon Library and Museum (yes, that is a real thing). Caniff enrolled at Ohio State in 1925, and worked for Ireland at the Columbus Dispatch from '25 until 1932 when the Depression forced the Dispatch to cut staff. He went to New York, and not long after created Terry and the Pirates, which he inked until the late '40s, when he created Steve Canyon. So he was apparently a student when he drew the 1928 cover. Good eye to spot his signature - I missed it the first time!

Comment 16 Jun 2018

Flo definitely upped the production value on the whole thing - and I know some folks snickered at the weigh-ins (and Logan and Joey certainly found the whole thing amusing, standing nose to nose like they were mortal enemies) and ongoing hype, but you hit the nail on the head: wrestling can use the promotion.

Jordan Burroughs had an interesting observation via our nation's site of record:

Is he right? Maybe, maybe not - but he raises a good point either way.

Comment 16 Jun 2018

If I were picking the match, I'd probably say it goes three matches, and Logan wins 2-1, but that's because I have a hard time picking against a world champ and 4X NCAA titleholder. But when McKenna looked me in the eyes and said he's young and hungry, I believed him. It won't surprise me at all to see him win at least one match tonight. It also won't surprise me if Logan wins it in two.

Comment 04 Jun 2018

The scholarship situation is unfortunate and also unlikely to change, which is why institutions like the Ohio RTC have become so important to the upper echelons of the college wrestling programs. That's also why I think it makes more sense to lobby for adopting the international weight classes than to argue for an 11th weight class.

Comment 04 Jun 2018

That being said, and with your opinion on Kollin, do you think he continues to add weight to wrestle up this year?

No, I see almost zero chance of that happening. Chase Singletary is the heir apparent at heavyweight. I'm not saying it's not possible, as there are a few surprising possibilities in the middleweights I didn't see coming, but I'd be very surprised if Moore didn't continue wrestling at 197.

Comment 03 Jun 2018

The other commenters in this thread are on to something, I think. Yes, he was clearly gassed at season's end last year, and part of that (educated guess here) is the stress of making weight. He fits pretty nicely at 97 kg (213 lbs), and the cut down to 197 is no small thing. Contrast that with Snyder at heavyweight, who never had to cut to make weight, and who always looked fresh and ready to go all three rounds.

So Moore is one of those guys who would really thrive if the NCAA had a "light heavyweight" division that was closer to 97 kg. If you compare freestyle (international) classes to NCAA classes, it's an interesting look:

Wrestling Weight Classes
Freestyle
     IN KG
FREESTYLE
    IN Lbs
NCAA
57 kg 125.7 lbs 125 lbs
61 kg 134.5 lbs 133 lbs
65 kg 143.3 lbs 141 lbs
70 kg 154.3 lbs 149 lbs
74 kg 163.1 lbs 157 lbs
79 kg 174.2 lbs 165 lbs
86 kg 189.6 lbs 174 lbs
92 kg 202.8 lbs 184 lbs
97 kg 213.9 lbs 197 lbs
125 kg 275.6 lbs 285 lbs

So for whatever reason, the NCAA weight classes skew lighter than do the international classes, with a ~62-pound gap between the two heaviest freestyle classes versus an 88-pound difference in folkstyle. (Plenty of people on Twitter dot com would advocate for scrapping folkstyle wrestling altogether in favor of the NCAA going totally freestyle - a pipe dream I don't see happening anytime soon, but thought it worth mentioning in this context.) On one hand, it seems silly to have seven weight classes between 125-175 pounds and then only three greater than 175 pounds, but on the other one might argue that younger wrestlers haven't grown into their frames to fill out the more robust freestyle classes.

InterMat's Mark Palmer took a look at the history of NCAA weight classes a few years back if you want some context for the discussion. It's also worth noting that while United World Wrestling now contests 10 classes at its events, only eight of those classes are contested at the Olympic Games.

If I were to wave my magic wand, I'd probably have the NCAA adopt the freestyle classes and be done with it, but that's without really digging into the hows and whys of the current NCAA weight class schema.

Comment 19 May 2018

Correct. Freestyle scores on “exposure,” or having your opponent on his back. Similar to getting back points in folk style, but different rules in terms of what constitutes exposure.