Skull Session: How Texas Can Topple Oklahoma, Dwayne Haskins Snubbed By Walter Camp Award, and Buckeye Assistants on the Move

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Yoda888's picture

there should be significant coaching changes. and there should be plenty of interests. who wouldn't want to come in and take over the defense or OK coaching spot? full over 4-5 star talent w experience. this past season's performance by the coaches has been unacceptable. for a program like Ohio state.

Yoda888

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zurdo248's picture

Day will be the only departure unfortunately

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

Didn't he turn down Mississippi St?  He might be kind of picky though

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brothadudeguy's picture

Without the USC job being open I can't imagine where he would go. If he turned down the Miss St job then you know he isn't going to take anything less than a great job. Maryland has potential to be a great program but will he want to recruit against Ohio State? I can't think of any other jobs out there. We  could be in store for another season of Day at OC

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SilverHaven's picture

62 - 39.  I still can't quite believe it.  I would like to see even more coverage.

Does this photo look familiar? 
Maybe upgrading the speed on the run-away lawn mower?

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

That must’ve been the one play all game we ran away from Brandon Watson’s side of the field. That poor dude got turned around so often, I’ll bet when he took off his uniform, his shoulder pads were on backwards.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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MichiBuck12's picture

This picture is the background on my work computer. My coworkers are not happy

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iowabuckeyes's picture

We’ll always have Parris.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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FalcotoyourMartel's picture

Parris, go get that dough and Baguette up

Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory lasts forever. -Falco

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Frimmel's picture

I think you might have croissant the line of good taste there. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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SilverHaven's picture

Iowa: And the "usual suspects" are being rounded up behind.

+UV for Casablanca

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Bucktailfruit's picture

Love Dixon in the background! 

Love it or leave it!

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

Just like Billy Price on Zeke's 85 YTTHOTS.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

May have to go on my wall. I have many pics in my basement of my fave Buckeyes. Typically, they’re pics v ttun - Troy, Beanie, etc. 

It will never get old. 

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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hetuck's picture

The Dispatch had another shot showing Campbell running in front of Harbaugh a la the Ginn punt return photo. This is great, however. If someone got a montage of all the obligatory chase photos & made a poster, it would be a best seller. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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MichiBuck12's picture

I have been hoping for someone to put together a video montage of white trash fabio showing the transition from happy, confident, and arrogant pregame to taunting the Buckeye bench during the game, to being escorted off the field in misery amidst a sea of scarlet and gray. I think that would be a fun video to watch.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

White trash Fabio - freakin hysterical!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

While being comforted by his mommy on the walk back to the locker room.   Precious.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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Tulsinator's picture

"78 yards through the heart of our rival"

UNDISPUTED

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

So....78 yds and a cloud....

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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iowabuckeyes's picture

...of fumes.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Turfgrad's picture

R E V E N G E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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Buctor's picture

Or

Revenge Lost!!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Pete Thamel says on The Big Ten Network that in an interview with Dwayne Haskins, Haskins told him that he will watch game film while in bed with his girlfriend. [We cannot figure out which emoticon to insert here.]

Haskins’s girlfriend or Thamel’s? Cuz Dwayne’s got that BMOC moxie where no one's girlfriend is safe.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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blueblazer22's picture

I nominate this for post of the day. Many good ones today, but this one is unbeatable for me. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Dwayne Haskins has better stats across the board than Will Grier And is within spitting distance of Gardner (who threw the ball almost 160 more times than Haskins—and Haskins still has more TDs than Gardner).

It’s an epic snub 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

2018 is shaping up to be “The Year of the Snub” as Dwayne’s mantel appears to be paying the price for our defense's ineptitude.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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TakeitToEm's picture

If so then OU QB should be treated the same, DH made history this year and we shouldn't make excuses for them , we should stand by our guy and call them out.

"If you take it to em and you keep takin it to em , hell there's no question whose gonna win" W.W.H

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brutus0717's picture

I couldn't agree more about Murray. Maybe Oklahoma fans didn't publicly bitch about their team as much as Buckeye fans did, altering the national perception of their team. 

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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TXNut2488's picture

Yeah but did you know Kyler ALSO plays baseball!?!??!

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

Yeah, it’s the fans’ fault for OSUs national perception! Or maybe it was Purdue, Maryland, Nebraska... OSU consistently has some of the highest television rankings of any team but it must be those jerks in the in-game 11w threads criticizing Werner.

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Bucks2K18's picture

And in two of those games he still threw for 400+ yards. Not his fault our defense is bad

That's a Buckeye touchdown!

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

Agree 2k18, I was referring to the prior comment implying that OSU is ranked below OU because OSU fans hurt OSUs national perception. That’s ridiculous.

i do agree that Haskins is being punished for the defense’s ineptitude.

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buckeyedude's picture

Maybe this will piss Haskins off enough for him to play another year for the Buckeyes? 

Hey, a guy can hope, can't he? LOL. 

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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gobucks5413's picture

This is a hilariously bad take

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Buckabroad's picture

Not naming Haskins even as a finalist is inexcusable and should lead to dissolution of the decision-making board due to demonstrated gross incompetence.

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Huh, and I thought gross incompetence was a requirement for being on a board.

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Buckabroad's picture

Touche. 

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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Dstacify's picture

Agreed. Only thing missing is Shea Patterson being on that list.

11 Strong.

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Reuben's picture

I have no problem with Tua, Murray, and Grier being in there. But Josh Allen? Come on!

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jpfbucks01's picture

Minshew is the one who should not be there. He ranks 31st in Pass Eff a few spots behind David Blough of Purdue

He has a ton of yards as all Leach QBs do because they throw the ball 50+ times a game. 

He is not only behind Blough, but he also has a worse TD/INT ratio than most elite QBs at 4-1, where Haskins is 6-1

Not trying to bad mouth the kid but he is not elite statistically at all. He is worse runner than Haskins too with only 103 yards and 3 scores to Haskins 127 and 4, so he should definitely be out of that list

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BuxLax's picture

If the committee had their act together, who wouldn't want to see a list of field generals including - Tua, Dwayne, Kyler and Trevor. 

PS Whatever happened to the Jimmy's and Joe's everyone talks about !

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Dillon G's picture

What a pleasure it was to watch Haskins perform this year. And we get at least 2 more games.

The New York Giants had no where near the talent Buffalo had. But Thurman Thomas helped the ball control, and they kept the Bills off the field, hanging another L on their efforts.

#walkaway

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TakeitToEm's picture

I just remembered last year when the playoff committee told us before the B1G CCG that the difference between us and Bama was razor thin to make us beat undefeated # 4 Wisconsin only to put Alabama in and bring up the Iowa loss at their convenience . If we had lost to Wisconsin we still be in the rose bowl against USC .

I am just growing sick of the bias against any team outside of the south and BTW Auburn also had 2 losses before their CCG but they were ranked # 2 then.

go ahead call me tinfoil hat .

"If you take it to em and you keep takin it to em , hell there's no question whose gonna win" W.W.H

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MichiBuck12's picture

The thing that bothers me is that they clearly make their decision and then build their argument around that conclusion. The whole point of the committee is to take all of the evidence available, analyze it, and use the findings to reach a conclusion. But instead they reach a conclusion based on personal preference/bias and politics and then craft the criteria based on that conclusion. This is the problem with the "human factor". The human factor is ok if there is a predetermined set of criteria that they must use. But theres not. They write the rules as they go and none of them are set in stone so they get written and rewritten every single year. It was fun for a minute but now its just annoying.

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TakeitToEm's picture

Right , they already decided how they want it , first it's alabama is in whether they win or lose , second it's OU if Bama and OU win their games , Third it's OSU if Bama wins ,OU loses and finally it's GA in if OU , GA and OSU all lose their games.

"If you take it to em and you keep takin it to em , hell there's no question whose gonna win" W.W.H

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buckeyenationlouisvillebranch's picture

The real problem lies with the CCGs. The committee simply does not want to honor them. If Oklahoma loses on Saturday and so does Bama, OSU should go over Bama. The criteria should be like this if win/loss records are similar:
Start by looking at conference champions first
1) SoS- This will punish teams who stock their schedule with cupcakes. The committee must also filter the rest of their rankings the same way so their is no bias to boosting one conference over another. Example is the current rankings which inexplicably have 8 SEC teams in the top 25 when clearly a team like Cincy should be there but is not.
2) Eye Test- After the committee filters teams through the SoS they can look at the eye test.
3) Common opponents
A non conference champion may be looked at if there are no suitable conference champions available. Example is last year. Bama was not a conference champion but got in. Because of a better win loss record and OSU had bad loss to Iowa and lost big at home to OU. Bama was unequivocally better. But this year would not be the same. OSU would have the same record. They would have a bad loss to Purdue but a much stronger SoS and a Conference Champion.

Football is a religion in Ohio. We attend our service every fall on the banks of the Olentangy. A place we affectionately call "the shoe".

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TakeitToEm's picture

But in 2014 the committee dropped TCU and Baylor for not having a CCG and forced the BIG12 to add one for that reason only.

You know how I know we are about to be left out ? it's ranking Iowa st 7-4 in the top 25 only to give OU 2 wins over ranked opp . now Iowa st is 7-4 and lost to an 8-4 Iowa team who held em to a field goal, and Iowa isn't ranked . they also put PITT in last week before they lost again this week and will play Clemson in the CC , that Pitt team lost to Penn st 51-6 at home.

I turned on espn to see no praise for OSU beating TUN , only trashing of UM and their coach ans saying they are overrated thus the B1G is overrated.

ESPN owns SEC network and have a dog in this fight.

"If you take it to em and you keep takin it to em , hell there's no question whose gonna win" W.W.H

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TigerSweat's picture

ESPN can choke on a bag of di*ks.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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gobucks5413's picture

I think its absolutely shocking that no one mentions the fact the big ten and other conferences that play 9 games pick up extra losses because they dont have chickenshit saturday. Like yea, we play Rutgers, but the big ten is guaranteed 7 more losses than the sec because everyone plays 9. It makes a big difference in the rankings if Missouri isnt ranked because they had to play another tough crossover game instead of a directional missouri opponent.

No excuse for losing to Purdue the way we did, but theres a good chance we dodge them all together if we only have 8 conference games, instead we play Kent State or someone. Different ballgame

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TakeitToEm's picture

I agree but Kent state should replace the TCU game G5 team to replace P5 and for the 9th conference game ,replace it with an FCS team like cleveland state or youngstown and make it the week before the TUN game .BTW not playing TCU and Bosa maybe don't get injured.

"If you take it to em and you keep takin it to em , hell there's no question whose gonna win" W.W.H

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

There was tons of praise for OSU on ESPN last weekend.  Tons.  Even Heather Dinnich and Mark Schlabach (who are generally critics of Ohio State) were heaping praise on the Buckeyes.

As far as the whole SEC network garbage, ESPN paid the Big Ten a larger contract for only half of their games. And CBS holds the rights to the major SEC games. Bama - LSU was on CBS.  The Iron Bowl was on CBS. Care to guess which network carries the SEC Conference Championship Game? It's not ESPN.

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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TakeitToEm's picture

NB go ahead and post a link to the tons of praise because all I found was not.

"If you take it to em and you keep takin it to em , hell there's no question whose gonna win" W.W.H

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

NB go ahead and post a link to the tons of praise because all I found was not

TakeitToEm - You asked for it, so I'm willing to provide. Not too hard to find either. But I have no delusions that you or anyone else will read, view, or listen to the links and reply, "Oh, wow. You changed my mind."  It would be a historic moment for the internet indeed.

Mark Schlabach's Weekly Power Rankings
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25367663/more-drama-surp...

5. Ohio State (11-1, 8-1 Big Ten)

Say what you will about Ohio State's Urban Meyer, but few coaches thrive more when their teams are underdogs. Ohio State improved to 7-0 as an underdog under Meyer with Saturday's stunning 62-39 rout of Michigan. It won six of those seven games by a touchdown or more. After losing at unranked Purdue by 29 and then struggling to beat Nebraska and Maryland (in overtime!), the Buckeyes are suddenly one victory away from perhaps crashing the CFP again. Ohio State plays Northwestern in the Big Ten championship game in Indianapolis next week. Quarterback Dwayne Haskins was sensational against what had been the No. 1 defense in the FBS. He became the first quarterback to throw for five touchdowns against Michigan (which had given up seven touchdown passes the entire season) and broke Big Ten single-season records for touchdowns and passing yards.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25394912/cfp-week-5-geor...

After three straight weeks of the same four schools' iron grips on the College Football Playoff semifinals, the Georgia Bulldogs came charging in at No. 4, knocking out Michigan, which fell to No. 7 after a 62-39 beatdown by Ohio State.

Jalen Rose on ESPN's "Get Up" with Mike Greenberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-tEP5oiG08

They own us.

Seth Walder, ESPN Analytics
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-41045697-4

There is a 37% chance Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State and Oklahoma all win next weekend. In that scenario, PlayoffIn that scenario, Playoff Predictor would enter selection day uncertain about what the committee would do. If it had to choose, it would lean toward Ohio State over Oklahoma for the final spot by a slim margin, due to the Buckeyes' slightly superior Strength of Record.

Heather Dinich
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25369748

On paper, [OSU and Oklahoma] are so similar that it would be a very difficult debate for the Selection Committee. When you look at what Ohio State has done, they have the best win against Michigan; they have the worst loss against Purdue. Oklahoma went on the road and beat West Virginia; that's good. And their loss to Texas, not so bad.

ESPN on Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKeY-krcp-M

No. 10 Ohio State trounces No. 4 Michigan 62-39

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25365936

Campbell's 78-yard TD run is OSU's longest ever vs. Michigan.  Parris Campbell bounces a jet sweep outside and outraces Michigan's defense 78 yards to the end zone in the fourth quarter.

Chris Low, ESPN Staff Writer
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25368410/ohio-state-urba...

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Rarely has a one-loss season been so chaotic.But for Ohio State and coach Urban Meyer, there's always The Game to look forward to. And even with all the dysfunction that has engulfed the Buckeyes this season -- from Meyer's suspension and health issues to major deficiencies on defense -- the one thing that hasn't changed is Meyer and Ohio State own Michigan much the same way as he has owned every other rival during his head-coaching career.

Meyer put it on the "school up north" yet again in a 62-39 thrashing of the Wolverines on Saturday at Ohio Stadium, the Buckeyes' seventh straight win in a rivalry that is becoming less of one each year. And just like that, the Buckeyes will find themselves right in the middle of the College Football Playoff hunt if they can beat Northwestern next week in the Big Ten championship game.

Michigan never really had any chance to stay with the Buckeyes' speedy playmakers on offense. Most of the time, the Wolverines' defenders looked like they were running in quicksand, whether they were being carved apart on crossing routes, deep routes or a 78-yard touchdown by Campbell on a jet sweep.

Meanwhile, the rest of the country might want to make sure it doesn't sleep on an Ohio State team that seems to be putting it all together at just the right time.

College Football Final, Jesse Palmer CFP Predictions (Palmer ranked the Buckeyes #5 ahead of OU. Note - Galloway did not.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5AgXBu8-ZY

I cannot ignore the fact that Ohio State put up 62 against the then number four team in the country. Michigan had been so dominant, won ten in a row, statistically the best defense in the country. But what I have seen from Ohio State, that I haven't seen from Oklahoma: I've finally seen a complete game, on offense and defense. That's the difference for me right now between Ohio State and Oklahoma

So, ball's in your court.  You stated this:

I turned on espn to see no praise for OSU beating TUN , only trashing of UM and their coach ans saying they are overrated thus the B1G is overrated.

Please share the links, articles and quotes that back that statement up.

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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TakeitToEm's picture
Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman not a word of praise for OSU and actually took a swing at UFM at the end by MAD MAX.
The sams video you listed of Jalen Rose ,all I see is trashing TUN and no credit or praise for OSU and MAD MAX again says its not like you are in the SEC where you can't win against Bama and the GOAT N.Saban.
And J .Rose tries to make a point saying " I am trying to give OSU credit" but they don't want to hear it.

The segment starts with the host saying OSU can't run so they pass it , forward to ranking mayhem and it's all about Bama is in if they lose.they are still in over both OU & OSU.

"If you take it to em and you keep takin it to em , hell there's no question whose gonna win" W.W.H

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TakeitToEm's picture

First Mark Schlabach did give OSU praise . I remember him apologizing to OSU after the 2014 season for tashing them all season long.

2. ok they said Ohio state beat down UM , UGA is now #4 ....that is it nothing else.

3.Jalen Rose stated the obvious , later in the video he says he is trying to give OSU credit , Max wasn't having it simply because Urban is not Saban .

4.Seth Walder says slightly a better SOR , I wonder after beating # 21 un the rankings and OU beating # 14 Texas we will lose that edge but it's good for the suspense and ratings to have this drama nowadays. again do you call that singing OSU praise for a HISTORICAL performance in THE GAME against a good MICHIGAN team?

5. Heather Dinich  made the argument for OU actually leaning on they have a better loss than us all of a sudden Michigan was not # 4 and the best defense in years that was obliterated by a masterful offensive output by the Highest score for ohio state in the long history of the game , BTW the last record was 50 points back in the 60s twice against a lesser Michigan teams.where is the praise ?

6. Ok espn report of #10 OSU trouncing #4 on youtube  with a Michigan announcer only game highlights . where is the praise ? 

7. ESPN video clip of Parris Cambell's Historic run . same as above.

8. Chris Low much respect and please listen to him rest of the country . If Ohio state can bring that performance again don't sleep on one of the best teams in the country who is overcoming adversities and injuries . give us the benefit of the doubt we have the tools and talents to play anyone when we bring our A game.

9. Jesse Palmer picks us 5th and our own Joey Galloway did not . nothing more shows how fair and balanced ESPN is than they take our side while our own know we don't belong . and that OU team is a better match up .

My friend they are forcing their opinions and logic on the viewers and it's that nobody is better than the SEC . and if you argue that then you know nothing about football.

putting my tinfoil hat back on .

"If you take it to em and you keep takin it to em , hell there's no question whose gonna win" W.W.H

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CincyOSU's picture

Like a true conspiracy theorist, you have an “answer” for everything that contradicts your claims. Only the “evidence” that supports their views can be trusted(and you cling to it like gospel) while dismissing the significance or veracity of anything that disproves their theories.

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TakeitToEm's picture

I put in too much time in reading his links trying to find the tons of praise for OSU and answer them as I found them, also tried to put links to the trashing of Michigan and Harbaugh instead of just give OSU the credit for what they can do when they show up like that ( failed at linking the videos). sorry I get your point. we suck, we don't belong in the same field as Bama , Clemson ,ND , UGA or OU. 

these accusations of conspiracy theorist , tinfoil hat are an attempt to silence and discredit any voice who tries to question the main stream idea of we tell you how it's gonna be and you need to get in line and listen.

"If you take it to em and you keep takin it to em , hell there's no question whose gonna win" W.W.H

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TakeitToEm's picture

"If you take it to em and you keep takin it to em , hell there's no question whose gonna win" W.W.H

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CincyOSU's picture

That video is a month old and now irrelevant. Look at the current committee rankings and what the AP and Coaches polls look like. They are VERY close...within a spot or two of each other. But, once again, like a true CT you’re clinging to something that is over a month old and now completely irrelevant(not to mention the baseless accusation that Frank Beamer is a puppet master) because it happens to support your narrative....never mind anything that goes against it. The rest of us are just sheep. 

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

There you go again making good points but then exaggerating them beyond their substantive value. It’s not garbage that the SEC Network is, in fact, an ESPN product. ESPN has a direct financial stake in the SEC Network and the SEC conference. That financial interest plays out in a media climate that lives on microwaveable hot takes and two-dimensional narratives. “SEC speeeeeed!” 

Watch what happens if this playoff ends pitting two SEC teams (UGA and Bama) versus two ACC teams (Clemson and Notre Dame). Don’t be surprised if some powerful people associated with the other three “power conferences,” most of whom probably don’t wear tinfoil hats, have some concerns about the current arrangements and perhaps even ESPN’s role in those arrangements. 

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TakeitToEm's picture

SEC speeed oh yeah , They started saying that in the 90s to explain superiority . at the same time run NFL adds that say Feel the power . even Kirk Herbstriet mentions it during the sugar bowl 2014 saying Ohio State have SEC speed.

"If you take it to em and you keep takin it to em , hell there's no question whose gonna win" W.W.H

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Turfgrad's picture

MONEY!

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

It’s not garbage that the SEC Network is, in fact, an ESPN product. ESPN has a direct financial stake in the SEC Network and the SEC conference. That financial interest plays out in a media climate that lives on microwaveable hot takes and two-dimensional narratives. “SEC speeeeeed!” 

Honest question, Fido.  How does getting two SEC teams in the CFP help the SEC Network and in turn, ESPN? 

Is it going to provide ESPN with more viewers of the SEC Network by disenfranchising the The NY-DC corridor, the Midwest and the West Coast, which have three times the number of cable subscribers as the South?

Watch what happens if this playoff ends pitting two SEC teams (UGA and Bama) versus two ACC teams (Clemson and Notre Dame). Don’t be surprised if some powerful people associated with the other three “power conferences,” most of whom probably don’t wear tinfoil hats, have some concerns about the current arrangements and perhaps even ESPN’s role in those arrangements. 

If your statement is true, would it not behoove ESPN to make sure that the CFP has representation from as many conferences as possible? Why would they try to force a situation that would call into question the objectivity of the Committee, risk the money ESPN has invested in the CFP, and potentially open up the bidding on their cash cow at time when they are financially vulnerable and laying off employees at an historic rate.

Who's really arguing points beyond their substantive value?

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CincyOSU's picture

Navy - Well freaking said. I have asked these same questions DOZENS of times, and never get an answer other than, "you're an idiot, you work for ESPN". The ESPN hates us club plays on both sides of the fence. They point to TV money as the reason ESPN "loves" the SEC and "hates" the B1G, yet ignore TV money when it is pointed out, factually, that ESPN is just as invested in the B1G over the next 6 years.

And you hit the nail on the head in terms of the SEC Network. ESPN doesn't need to prop up the SEC to get SEC fans to watch games on the SEC Network, just like FOX doesn't need to(and doesn't) prop up the B1G to get B1G fans to watch games on the B1G Network. Having four SEC teams in the CFP will do nothing for ESPN's bottom line, in fact it would likely be detrimental in the long run. Both Networks, especially ESPN since they hold the TV rights the the CFP, want a strong college football product more than anything...no matter the conference. They want ratings, they want good matchups...that equals money. Thats how they pay the bills. That's how they justify paying so much money for TV rights to the CFP, SEC, B1G, and others.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

You're making two mistakes that we all constantly make, most definitely myself included.

Error #1: ESPN is a massive organization made up of many thousands of people, etc. It doesn't - it cannot - have a single viewpoint because it doesn't exist as a thinking entity in and of itself (it's not the Borg). The people within the organization all have their own minds, even if most of them end up thinking mostly the same ways. ESPN (Disney) is, however, a corporation with various financial interests. In pursuing those interests, the executives will sometimes develop and implement policies and directives for their employees that, in theory, will help to promote the company's strategic objectives. But without a lot of the "group think" that currently exists among ESPN talent ("reporters," analysts, editors, etc.), those general directives, inasmuch as they might be given, would have limited effect, like trying to herd cats; moreover, if the talent actually had a wide diversity of viewpoints, a lot of them would resent being 'handled" and it would make the entertainment product even worse than it already is. 

It makes no sense to ask whether it would behoove ESPN to make sure that the CFP has representation from as many conferences as possible, because it doesn't work that way. Here are some ways that ESPN does actually work, though:

  • ESPN talent/content creators float back and forth between regular ESPN and the SEC Network
  • ESPN talent/content creators tend to have more/stronger sources, contacts, relationships, familiarity, etc. with SEC organizations, coaches, execs, players, etc.
  • ESPN can freely show (more) highlights and media products from ESPN and SEC Network games and interviews because they own those products
  • When SEC schools make more money, they are happier about the ESPN/SEC Network partnership, and ESPN does not have as direct a partnership with other power conferences
  • Etc., Etc.

Error #2: sadly, few people today seem to understand what bias means, including journalists who really ought to know better. That's probably because bias implies prejudice, as if all forms of prejudice are necessarily bad (I'm prejudiced against violent felons, which is probably a wise policy). We are all biased. Bias is inescapable to the human condition. Recognizing that, our mission is to be more aware of and confront our own biases, try to find strategies for working around them, to get closer to finding the truth. When we say that the great majority of eSECpn talent is biased in favor of the SEC, we're not saying they are engaged in a conspiracy, or else every human being on the planet is engaged in conspiracies every day. We're saying that, for so-called journalists, they do a terrible job of recognizing and trying to minimize their biases.      

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

When SEC schools make more money, they are happier about the ESPN/SEC Network partnership, and ESPN does not have as direct a partnership with other power conferences

I’m sorry, but I can’t follow this logic. What does happiness have to do with making money? ESPN pays the SEC fornthe right to broadcast their product. Not the other way around. So the SEC making more money does nothings ESPN’s bottom line. It’s not making more people watch the SEC network outside of those who already do - SEC fans. 

ESPN owns the Longhorn Network too. I don’t see them doing anything to help Texas get in to the CFP. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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Run_Fido_Run's picture

On that one point, we'll have to agree to disagree. But it sounds like you either agree with, or don't have any objections to, my other points. So we are making progress.  

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I didn’t bother to address them, much the same way you never addressed any of the economic points I made. 

I don’t watch the SEC network. At all. Who are these personalities that cross back and forth?

Last I checked, all of the former players/coaches in College Gameday’s core crew are from the Big Ten. 

One of the two College Football Final players is from OSU. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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CincyOSU's picture

ESPN is a massive organization made up of many thousands of people, etc. It doesn't - it cannot - have a single viewpoint because it doesn't exist as a thinking entity in and of itself (it's not the Borg). The people within the organization all have their own minds,

Agree 100%. Unfortunately, MANY people around here are selective when applying this train of thought. Ex: Anything bad said about OSU by an individual analyst = "ESPN" hates OSU. Anytime something positive is said = Well, that's only one person's opinion, ESPN still hates us.

ESPN talent/content creators float back and forth between regular ESPN and the SEC Network

I may be wrong, but I think this was only the case in the infancy of the Network. Contrary to what many on here believe, I rarely watch ESPN so I'm willing to admit I could be wrong, but when I do watch I don't recall seeing any crossover.

ESPN talent/content creators tend to have more/stronger sources, contacts, relationships, familiarity, etc. with SEC organizations, coaches, execs, players, etc.

That's an opinion, and one that likely only applies to SEC Network Analysts. Do we forget how many ex-OSU/B1G players work for ESPN?

ESPN can freely show (more) highlights and media products from ESPN and SEC Network games and interviews because they own those products

That didn't stop them from showing COUNTLESS highlights across their various channels of the UM game. Not to mention, they held Gameday in Columbus for a game that was on a rival network. That doesn't sound like bias against a particular team/conference.

When SEC schools make more money, they are happier about the ESPN/SEC Network partnership, and ESPN does not have as direct a partnership with other power conferences

I'm not sure I follow this. ESPN pays the SEC, not the other way around. Regardless, why do IGNORE the fact that ESPN pays the B1G more money than any other conference over the next 6 years. Even IF we believe ESPN cares more about the SEC because of the SEC Network, why on earth would they harm the brand they have the 2nd most money invested in? Wouldn't logic dictate that after the SEC(if we believe this line of reasoning) the B1G, and especially Ohio State, would be next on their priority list?

Error #2: sadly, few people today seem to understand what bias means

Agree 100%

When we say that the great majority of eSECpn talent is biased in favor of the SEC, we're not saying they are engaged in a conspiracy, or else every human being on the planet is engaged in conspiracies every day.

I disagree 100%. SOME people may be able to differentiate the difference between having SEC bias vs hating the B1G....but MANY people simply cannot and conflate the two.

While I generally disagree with you, I respect that you actually took the time to put together a well thought out response...unlike MANY others who choose to either cowardly downvote or question whether those who aren't raging homers or don't believe the ESPN conspiracy, are really OSU fans.

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KCAlum's picture

If the committee does not pay attention to them, then they should probably just be eliminated, go back to no divisions, and crown a winner based on record only.  Also, expand the playoff to 8 teams with the better seeds hosting the first round.  But then the precious SEC teams might have to play a game more than 200 miles from campus, so that is probably a no go. 

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

If I were in charge no team would get in to the playoffs without first wining its conference championship.  I consider it ridiculous to say a team couldn't win its own conference, but they are somehow National Champions. First in the nation but runner up in the SEC West Division!  Seriously?  To me that inconsistency invalidates the whole concept of the National Championship.  They should just admit that the playoffs are a post season exhibition of the teams a committee tasked with producing an entertainment product would like to see play one another and be done with it. At least that would be honest. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

That’s fair, Trotwood. So you would then agree that 2016 Ohio State should not have been in the CFP? And you have no complaints about 2015 Ohio State being left out?

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Buckabroad's picture

You are right. The problem in my view is that there are no obligatory criteria that the board must adhere to. These could be whatever (championships, SOS, head-to-head). As long as the rule is "whatever we feel like", there can never be justice for any team. The board could pick Rutgers if it wanted.

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CieGrant_Blitz's picture

Need to just go to 4 super conferences and the winners are in.  Period.  End of story.  

No idiots entitled to subjective opinions.  100% Objective.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Ugh. Thanks but no thanks. The bigger the FCS conferences get, the more CFB loses. I’d be more in favor a 16-team playoff. The solution isn’t to go bigger but rather smaller: eight 10-team conferences. If you go to 4x20, you’re still looking at each conference having two 10-team divisions. There are too many variables that would get in the way: TV contracts, bowl contracts, Notre Dame, the Longhorn Network, schools wanting to protect old rivalries, a massively weaker west coast conference (who are the other eight that would join the PAC-12?), and at least one conference commissioner refusing to take a bullet for everyone else’s benefit.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

I am for a 6 team playoff.

All of the Power 5 conference champions plus the best team from the Group of 5.

A team that doesn't win its conference should not be playing for a national championship. 

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CieGrant_Blitz's picture

Your math is a little off.  There are currently 65 teams in P5.  I'd kick out Kansas and Rutgers, add ND to make it an even 64-- 4 conferences of 16 teams.  Two 8 team divisions.  Division winners play defacto national semi-final games to appease the 8 team playoff crowd... If you put Texas and OU in west coast conference, it wouldn't be weak at all... The BIG 12 was already on life support and the PAC 12 as it stands now (east coast/ southern bias) has no realistic shot of getting anyone to the playoff without going undefeated (had Wash State won on Fri night they still wouldn't be getting in). 

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OHinTN's picture

I like the 10 team conference idea.  That way you play everyone in your conference to decide the champion.  No conference championship game needed.  Then you can expand the playoffs and still have bowl games.  This will never happen, but it's fun to think about.

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

I have long been of the opinion that expanding the playoffs could lead to the break up of the larger conference structures, particularly if conference champions were to be granted automatic seeds.  Teams that never get in could realize that if they were in a smaller conference they might have a better chance of winning a conference championship.  A bigger playoff field could also lead to the non power 5 conferences making a push to get their champions into the field as happened with the BCS. That is not something the power 5 schools are looking to see happen.  To be honest however I can't see a lot of disadvantage to having 4 power conferences with automatic bids then the current 5 and having to have a committee that plays games with the process sort it out.  I am generally a fan of clean and transparent over opaque and questionably corrupt.

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btalbert25's picture

I love the 4 super conference idea.  Break each conference into 4 pods of 4 teams each.  The winners of each Pod go to a conference Final Four.  The conference final four could be played at the home field of the highest ranked/seeded conference teams so no need for a neutral site conference title game.  Then the winners of each of the 4 conferences play in the CFP like we have now. 

To me, it cleans up college football because it's essentially a season long 64 team playoff where everyone basically controls their own destiny and doesn't rely on some arbitrary committee or computer model like the BCS. It would also: 

1) Encourage teams to schedule an elite non conference game, as losing wouldn't destroy your season and winning would improve your seeding

2) The committee would only be responsible for seeding teams, not actually picking who plays. 

3) It would force Notre Dame and other independents into a conference

4) Still allow for meaningless bowl games since people seem to love them

5) Reduce shitty games early in the year against meaningless opponents like Tulane

The playoff will always be considered unfair, no matter how many teams they add in.  People constantly bitch about how the NCAA basketball tournament snubs teams and that's after they pick 64 teams.  Sure there would be some complaints about certain pods in the conference not having as difficult of a road as others, but at the end of the day this seems like the best scenario.  

Let's say for the B1G sake we would add Texas and Notre Dame the Pods could be something like

1:  Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, MSU

2:  Ohio State, IU, Michigan, Purdue

3:  Wisconsin, Illinois, NU, Notre Dame

4) Texas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota

Things could be shuffled around and rivalries could be protected etc, but I love this idea.  

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MichiBuck12's picture

I don't like the super conference idea. A big part of what makes college football so great is the tradition and I think 4 super conferences would destroy that even more than it has already been destroyed. I also think that idea overly complicates things. The simple fix is that you have to win a conference championship in order to make the playoff. This makes the conference title games defacto playoff games and thus expanding the field without adding games. If Notre Dame wants in, they can join a conference. I know I said tradition. But the tradition of Notre Dame being independent was that they travelled the country playing the best teams from all conferences. Thats what made them special. They don't do that anymore. They are no longer special. If they want to play at the club,  they have to join the club. No more guest passes. They can join the ACC full time and that way Clemson can actually have a ranked team on its schedule. This system takes most of the subjective criteria out of the equation and lets the champion be decided on the field.

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CieGrant_Blitz's picture

The conference champion rule is a solid alternative also.  

Just remember though, there really isn't much history to preserve at this point.  The Big 12 wasn't formed until the mid 90s when the SW conference folded and Big 8 expanded and obviously that conference has already been gutted and added a Mountain West team and Big East team to stay alive.  The modern ACC is a hybrid old Big East/ACC league.  Miami has gone from independent to Big East to ACC in just a few decades and FSU was an independent in the early 90s.  The PAC 12, B1G, SEC have all obviously added teams very recently so it's not like this so called 'power 5' dates back 100 years- its a very recent thing.

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buckeyedude's picture

I'm convinced that ESecPN, the SEC, and all of the powers that be in the CFB playoff selection committee don't want Ohio State in the playoff because, you know, 2014. 

Behind the curtains, I'm certain they're pushing for Georgia real hard. Beyond that, they'll take Oklahoma, even if they only win by one point over Texas and Ohio State blows out N'western.  I'd like OSU to go to the playoffs, but if you listened to UFM's presser, even he's not real sure about this Buckeye team. 

I'll be cheering for the Buckeyes, no matter which bowl we end up in and I feel like yes, this has been a successful year for these guys. That was one of the most enjoyable victories over TTUN in years since it was unexpected(by me) and will carry me through the cold, dark months of January, February and March. 

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I'm convinced that ESecPN, the SEC, and all of the powers that be in the CFB playoff selection committee don't want Ohio State in the playoff because, you know, 2014. 

Except Ohio state as a four seed winning validated the whole idea of having a playoff. If made the process and the committee look like winners. Had we lost to #1 Alabama, it would’ve amped up all the people bitching that TCU and Baylor were more deserving, Instead, we made the committee members look like the smartest people in America.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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armynurseboy's picture

They don't want OSU in the playoff because of all the pre-season drama and IMHO are punishing OSU now because they didn't fire Urban....which is what the talking heads and media wanted all along....

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TakeitToEm's picture

100%  I think Dave Biddle said something to that extent too.

"If you take it to em and you keep takin it to em , hell there's no question whose gonna win" W.W.H

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iowabuckeyes's picture

You’re whacked. Ohio State is an advertisers’s dream machine. We’ve played in three of the five most watched games this year. And if there’s one thing every executive at ESPN or any network cares about, it’s making money and the more eyeballs watching games, the money they’re making. Ohio State’s preseason controversy isn’t hurting the networks, it’s actually helping because more people are obviously tuning in, a lot of them no doubt hoping to see us lose.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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CincyOSU's picture

So in addition to ESPN and the SEC, you actually believe the independent committee, comprised of individuals representing all conferences, including the B1G, are conspiring against OSU as retribution for not punishing Urban enough earlier in the season? You don't think Gene Smith, the AD of, you know, OHIO STATE, and a member of the committee, wouldn't be shouting from the rooftops if he thought this was happening. Unless, you believe ESPN and the SEC has gotten to him to?

but if you listened to UFM's presser, even he's not real sure about this Buckeye team. 

So, if you believe our coach is unsure of this team(YOUR words), it's not big deal. But, if someone else dares question this team, it's a part of some sinister conspiracy to harm the OSU brand. Do you hear how this sounds?

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

I have to say that this constant state of paranoia that so many Buckeye fans exist in is really over done.  The belief that everyone is against OSU and wants to harm them every time a particular OSU player is perceived to have been slighted in any way or anyone in the media doesn't fall all over themselves praising everything about the team gets tiresome.  These boards are filled with people complaining about OSU being unjustly excluded from the playoffs this year despite the fact that the teams in this years field have yet to be an announced. It might be refreshing to at least wait to complain about OSU being excluded until after they actually are. 

Field his yet to be amounts

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Turfgrad's picture

I'm sick of needless losses that have kept us out of the NATTY three times now!  Coaches sleeping at the wheel.

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

This a complaint I can support. Instead of complaining that the system is against OSU, or the system is biased toward Bama and ND, Buckeye fans should be upset that their team in the past five seasons have lost three regulars season games games in a bad fashion to mediocre teams: Va Tech, Iowa and Purdue. If Bama did that, they would probably be sitting on the bubble as well. But they haven’t. This year, neither has ND, Clemson, UGA or OU. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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Browns88's picture

Haskins is a student of the game watching film in his bedroom with girlfriend.  Soooo  much dedication

Browns88

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brutus0717's picture

What does this make him more dedicated to?

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Officially the Walter camp award is a crock of shit 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Along with the WC Mock Drafts being a crock too !

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MichiBuck12's picture

I hate that we have to put hope into Titty Bar Tom for our playoff chances. I hate even more that Oklahoma is ahead of us because they get a pass for their garbage defense. Its like that family member that gets away with being an asshole at family thanksgiving because he's always been an asshole. You and I can't act that way because the family expects better from us. But he can because thats just who he is. Not that I would ever want to trade places with them because they'll never get anywhere being that way. But they also shouldn't be rewarded for it with a playoff appearance.

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TakeitToEm's picture

Guess what the committee wants to give Saban for Xmas this year?  Oklahoma

"If you take it to em and you keep takin it to em , hell there's no question whose gonna win" W.W.H

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Assuming we beat Northwestern but we don’t make the playoffs because the Sooners beat the Longhorns, I am picturing Tom Hermensa’s perverse smirk when he realizes he’s gotten the last laugh even though Texas got toasted. I can see Michelle consoling him by patting his back and saying, “It’s okay, honey. Turn that frown upside down and look at the bright side: at least you kept that bastard Urban Meyer out of the playoffs. Now who wants a Fresca?”

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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buckeyedude's picture

Great post, MichiBuck. 

LMFAO @ "Titty Bar Tom." And totally agree with your analogy. I work with a guy that says all kinds of sexual innuendo and foul language in the office, around the women. Most everyone else would be fired for harassment if we said the same things. He's gets a pass because, "that's just Lucas. That's who he is."  B.S. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

Yeah, I have a brother in law like that. Hes 27 years old and threw a fit because he was asked to bring a case of pepsi to the family christmas dinner this weekend. Last year dinner wasn't ready as early as he would have liked so he went and got take out from down the street, brought it back and ate it while the rest of us hung out and waited for the ham to finish. He also leaves cigarette butts all over my front lawn but because snow, I find them intermittently from now until spring despite the fact that I specifically ask him to dispose of them. The guy is just an asshole but everybody just kind of ignores it because hes always been like that and if anyone calls him out for it he throws a massive tantrum and they "don't want to deal with that". I have already told my wife this will be the last time we host her family for a holiday.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

+1 for the Titty Bar Tom name.  Which brings to mind another question; am I the only one who saw his now-famous tweet and read it as "OK Cool.  Hookers."   Could definitely see Hugh Freeze saying that.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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brutus0717's picture

Snubs all around for the Buckeyes this year. Still can't believe Chrisman got screwed out of the B1G punter of the year, so it's gonna take at least a couple more days to get over the Walter Camp Award dis. 

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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LCT's picture

I'm not really aware of other B1G schools' punting games but it's hard to imagine a better season than the one Chrisman had.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
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iowabuckeyes's picture

One 4-yard shank: it’s almost human nature for people to hold someone’s one failure against them than credit them all their successes. Chrisman almost singlehandedly fended off MSU but voters probably decided MSU’s offense sucked anyway so his performance of five punts downed inside MSU’s 6 was no big feet feat. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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MD_Buckeye's picture

How in the world is Haskins not a finalist for the Walter Camp Award? Is this foreshadowing a snub from the Heisman committee as well? At any rate, focus and beat NW!

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buckguyfan1's picture

Pythons put the Bang in Bangkok.

Simplify...

13-0 and a chance to go 14-0

In another universe ttun still sucks...

Beat wisky.  

Earn this...  Beat clemson.

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Buckloving's picture

Work construction in the south. I promise you everyone carries a flashlight at night. They have all kinds of critters that go in the porta-johns at night to get warm

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

I recall seeing a story from Thailand a year or two (or three) ago about a cobra in the toilet.  And yes, it bit some poor guy in the junk.  IIRC, there were pix of the snake which you can probably google.  I think the guy lived, but damn!  

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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LCT's picture

RIP Spiro Agnew

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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MercyTex's picture

He did not care for the nattering nabobs of negativity.

Our people are everywhere, Esto Dignus.

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LCT's picture

Nor taxes. He also did not care for paying taxes.

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TheButcher's picture

Lamented

Callous

Taxation

Thebutcher IV

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lamplighter's picture

that William Safire could turn a phrase

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LCT's picture

Indeed he could; one of the great rhetorical knifefighters of the 20th century

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
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causeicouldntgo43's picture

I still use that “nattering nabobs of negativity” phrase from Safire - it’s a classic, as was he.

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Hovenaut's picture

I could point out that I hope Oklahoma gets smoked, that screw the individual awards, that I respect DWard and remembering his father/raising heart health awareness, that Haskins is watching the right films in bed (what do you want your quarterback studying?), and so on.

But I had to scroll right down to the link about the python. In the toilet. That bit the dude. On his junk.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I heard that snakes in toilets in Bangkok have become so commonplace, there’s a petition to rename the city Bitekok.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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LCT's picture

Ah, the ol' snakepunch. Classic move.

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Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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TigerSweat's picture

I drank with him one night at a backwoods bar in South Carolina back in 2002. It was, uh, interesting.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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obucksrule's picture

HAHAHA!  Nice early morning laugh there!

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NOBLUE's picture

i think Pete Thamel is an asshat...

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TMac's picture

The bad news is, Ohio State probably needs a win and an Oklahoma loss to make the playoff.

We also need Alabama to win, becuase we know they aren't getting left out. 

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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brutus0717's picture

Yep, and many are assuming a Bama win is a foregone conclusion. Let's just say I'll be glued to the TV come 4 o'clock Saturday.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I think this is going to look like OSU-UM, with Bama playing the part of UM. Bama hasn’t played a team with an offense as good as Georgia’s all season. 

Everyone, hold on to your butts. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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aboynamedtracy's picture

I agree to an extent and I think it holds true for maybe the first half. Big differences are that Bama has the horses that UM didn't and they will make smart adjustments no later than halftime.

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Interrobanged's picture

If Bama loses 62-39 to UGA, they do not deserve to be in the playoffs.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

I'm not ranting at you Navy, but I find the whole "Bama is in regardless" narrative incredibly annoying.  I heard more of the same just this morning.  Bama or not, if you lose your last game you should be out.  Yes, they had a great season, but at this time of the year, win or go home.  No one (at least not yet) would make the argument that Bama should advance to the title game if they lose a semifinal game.  The conference championship games should be treated as a play-in, or as the de facto first round of the playoffs. Thus endeth the rant.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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PhillyNut's picture

So the British have decided to try and make Minority Report a real thing. If they find precogs somewhere that will be really scary.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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CC's picture

So glad I don’t live there.  A nice place to visit but the they are already policing thought.  Imagine a place where you can’t say what you think... that’s England.

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TigerSweat's picture

Our ancestors were smart for getting the hell out when they did.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Frimmel's picture

I guess I go to work in England every day. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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hetuck's picture

1. Today's lesson in epicaricacy: 2,560 days in not idle natter.

2. OSU playing after OU is kind of like going second in college overtime; you know what you have to do to win. 

3. If Thamel gets that kind of access, no wonder Tim May is retiring. Tim did a great job, but the Dispatch reporters must be very envious. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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LCT's picture

#2 is a great analogy

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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blueblazer22's picture

Had to read the textbook link, and li and behold it wasn't something to read but rather to watch. And after all was said and done, students are getting screwed-go figure. Even back in my grad school day, which was 15 years ago, I was able to buy used books which were still expensive of course but not outrageous. But it seemed every one of them was at the end of their cycle so when I went to sell them back I was offered $1. I still have every one of those books, but this still seems better than kids now having to buy brand new constantly. What a racket. 

Yet another Buckeye left off of a list he deserved to be on. Typical, but whatever.

Go out and lambaste Pat the Cat and let everything else fall as it may. Bucks cannot control anything else, but go Texas Tom.

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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lamplighter's picture

Pulled out an old copy of a philosophy text from 1974 (soft cover) - cost me $1.50 then, which corresponds to $8 today.  I checked Amazon, which has the book (same translation) for a little over $10. Actually better than I expected

This is a forum post from a site member. It does not represent the views of Lamplighter LLC unless otherwise noted.

peidiwch â ffycin gyda'r Cymry
 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Teen Navy #1 buys used from other students or rents his text books, which is a thing. Best ways to save $$$ on text books. Some of his OSU profs have moved to printing their own “texts” or publishing on line. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Knarcisi's picture

Haskins told him that he will watch game film while in bed with his girlfriend.

Better know when to call an audible, Dwayne.

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Buxki84's picture

It's the only time he gets to run the "quarterback sneak" for a score.

I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I wrote a comment on the defenses yesterday. Saturday, Ohio State will be playing, and we all anticipate beating *knock on wood* their fifth Top 50 defense this season. Yet, their #2 offense doesn't get the hype, despite playing better defensive units.

Add to that the fact that, just like last year, they have multiple better wins than Oklahoma's best win, and they still aren't getting any love?

You see the writing on the wall?

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

If I could make one change to the Committee it would be 4-year terms, with only 1/4 replaced every year. There isn’t enough year-to-year consistency and not nearly enough “long-term” memory among the members. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

If I could make one change, it would be to the composition of the committee, as follows:

  • Each P5 conference has three representatives on the committee.
  • The composition of these 15 member will be the same for each conference, i.e. One former coach, one AD, one Administrator.
  • There will be one non-voting President of the Committee.  The tenure is 3 years, and it is required to rotate equally between each conference, meaning that if the SEC has the President first, they don't get another President until all four other conferences have had one.
  • The members will serve for 3 years, and change out one at a time. Therefore, there will be a 67% retention rate every season.
  • No one is recused from a vote - every committee member has a voice.  If the integrity of the voter cannot be trusted, then they need to be removed, with prejudice.
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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I could live with a version of that.

The composition of these 15 member will be the same for each conference, i.e. One former coach, one AD, one Administrator.

I would add Group of Five representatives as well. At least 1-2 from each conference. They deserve a voice.

I would also stipulate that the three conferences rep come from different schools. I assumed that's what you meant, but you know if you don't explicitly state it, the SEC will look for a loophole and all three will be from 'Bama.

The president needs to be unaffiliated with a conference, school , etc.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I would add Group of Five representatives as well. At least 1-2 from each conference. They deserve a voice.

That contradicts the purpose of Power 5 autonomy.  The Group of 5 is on their own.

Trust me, I'm not saying that is fair, just that they need to do their own thing and make their own National Championship.   

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CincyOSU's picture

3M - I think that's a great idea. Unfortunately, as in most cases, those with the ability to effect change are allergic to good ideas.

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MJTampa's picture

Notice this graphic is from the Big Ten Network, affiliated with Fox. Have we seen this graphic on ESPN? No, we haven't. Will we? No, we won't. Fox (Big Ten Network) and ESPN (affiliated with the SEC Network) are competing networks...Fox will stick up for the Big Ten, ESPN will not. I don't see it as a conspiracy...I see it as a natural business practice, and they both do it. Unfortunately for us, ESPN has a helluva lot more power.

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CincyOSU's picture

1) I don’t understand what the point here is. Fox has deals with both the B12 and the B1G. Why would Fox stick up for OSU and not OK? The SEC deal is irrelevant when comparing OSU and OK. 

2) For the record, ESPN’s power rankings have us above OK, and the majority of their analysts think we should get in over OK. 

3) I don’t think either of them go out of their way to make certain teams look better. Both networks, especially ESPN since they hold the TV rights to the CFP just want good ratings. 

4) ESPN broadcast Gameday from Cbus even though the game was on Fox? Why is that? 

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TigerSweat's picture

There's really no question who has the better overall resume. It will be interesting (sickening) to hear the committee talk circles around this.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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BuckeyeIn NY's picture

Ahhh, the best way to learn.  Correctly recognize a coverage or blitz and get a reward in return.  

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

[Insert GIF from Billy Madison where Chris Farley is taking clothes off for the right answer]

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buckeyedude's picture

The Ohio State hate is everywhere. It really is Ohio State vs. the world, it seems. 

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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Kyson12's picture

Haskins is in bed with his girlfriend and he’s not married???? Shame shame everybody knows your name. ESPN will be conducting a full investigation. 

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Gratefulbuck's picture

From the tipping guide article 

“If someone has the ability to leave 20 percent or 10 percent or it might be 5 percent, like leaving $50 on a $1000 bottle of wine, just to show they’re thankful and they’re grateful, [they should],” she says. “They’re leaving gratuity for the service, but there is something that recognizes the wine has been served proper temperature, proper pouring, proper protocol and that the person pouring the wine knew a significant amount… you want to know that the guest appreciated the person behind the bottle.”

Exactly. Huge markup on bottles of wine already. Commonly 4x over retail, which, is more than they buy them for. If people tip the “common” 20% on bottles this tip is usually more than the cost. Crazy, especially if the server did nothing special. 

Thank you for posting this Kevin. Proves my long standing point with many folks here on this here forum. 

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

So what's your take on tipping for corking fees?

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Major H's picture

The death of Mr. Ward, or anyone, is tragic, but to have an AED on the wall and not use it takes tragedy to a whole new level. They are so simple to use. Open it up, turn it on and do what it tells you to do.

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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cledaybuck's picture

Did anyone else read the tipping article? Did anyone else find it to be complete BS or am I just a cheap bastard?

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TigerSweat's picture

My mother always tips 20%. She's convinced that a 15% percent tip (which is what I aim for) is disrespectful to the server.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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cledaybuck's picture

I am ok with 20% for good service, but not no matter what. They also claim 20% for fast casual. Seriously? Have have ever tipped or ever seen anyone tip at a place like Chipotle?

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Wargor's picture

I spent many years working in a restaurant, made great money and was always happy with 15%.  So was everyone else who worked there.  

As far as I know, back then it had always been 15%.  Perhaps in the distant past it was lower and that's why we got to look down our noses at the blue-hairs leaving their dollar on a $11 check.  Perhaps that's what is going on now as the young and hip find a way to look down their own noses at those who grew up in different times.  Still, percentages climb with the check, which accounts for inflation, so I don't know why the percentage needs to creep up.

I do agree on the expensive wine angle.  

One other thing, I don't feel 15% is 100% necessary at any buffet where you get your own food and drink.  

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btalbert25's picture

I hate that everywhere you go now has a tip jar.  Really, you made me a fast food burrito and I'm supposed to live a tip?  Great you hit a couple buttons on a coffee maker and I have to tip on that 6 dollar cup?  My local Graeter's has a tip jar.  It's one thing to tip at a restaurant where you sit down, and the server is getting paid a couple bucks an hour and depend on tips, but I just can't see why I should tip at a fast food place where I am standing in a line, and I'm handed a cup to go get my own drink, and I sit down at a table that is still kind of dirty because well no one has gone out and wiped things down for a while, and the bathroom is a disaster because who knows when the last time that was cleaned.  

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Frimmel's picture

I think some of the places like a Starbucks put out tip jars just to make it easier on themselves. You'll have someone get that $6 cup of coffee which is actually $5.67 give six bucks and say "keep it." The server can't leave that $0.33 in the drawer as it will throw off the register at the end of the day. Those jars aren't about expectations of getting a tip but handling the tips they get unexpectedly. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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buckeyedude's picture

You sound like a grouchy old %^&*, BT. I agree 100%!

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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btalbert25's picture

Hahahaha, I i'm 37 now, I guess I just see all the attempts at me getting nickled and dimed by everyone EVERYWHERE I go and with anyone I do business with.  I'm tired of upsells and tips jars!  I'm a very generous tipper, though, when we actually do go out to eat.  Even at Skyline!

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Both our kids work in a restaurant. I can’t tell you the number of times they come home and tell stories about the family that brought kids in, who dumped there grapes and Cheerios allnover the floor, and then stuffed them on the tip and didn’t clean up after their kids. 

Or the people that order a carry-out pizza, then come in and ask for a table to avoid the wait, the tax, and the tip because they already paid.

Or the ones that literally walk with their check. 

There are some real lowlife, pieces of shit out there that take advantage of wait staff. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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btalbert25's picture

Definitely a tough job.  I have an uncle who pulls all these weird passive aggressive games with waiters because he's an insecure a-hole who was never picked to play kickball with the cool kids and wants everyone else he deals with to pay for it all the time.  He'll snap at them, he constantly asks for managers.  One time he told a girl he wanted his steak to be between medium well and medium.  He said get it to medium, then just leave it on for a little bit longer.  In the middle of the restaurant, with 12 family members.  I said FUCK YOU MAN THAT IS MEDIUM WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I honestly thought the server girl was going to give me a kiss after that lol.  She was so happy that someone told his ass off!

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MichiBuck12's picture

I found parts of it BS. I'm on board with 20% for servers. When they come to the table numerous times to tend to food and drink orders and delivering the food and drinks, ect. That is a service worth 20%. I'll go over that for good service but never under for bad unless the server was downright rude. Most of the time its not the servers fault that service is bad. They started to lose me though when they said 20% for fast casual. If their only job is to bring the food out when its done, thats not worth 20%. Then they totally lost me when they said 20% for delivery because "they went outside". Delivery is a $5 flat tip unless there is a huge snow storm or something. Also unless the place charges a high delivery fee. If you charge me $10 for delivery, I expect you to give most of that to the driver. But If I have a couple friends over and I order a couple pizzas and wings and it comes to $50, I'm not tipping you $10 to drive that pizza half a mile and walk it to my door. 

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buckeye_chick's picture

You know how some countries have compulsory military service for a year or two for their young people? I’ve always thought we should have a compulsory year of customer service here. Foodservice, retail, whatever. It’s all the same...taking abuse for eight hours a day. You really have no idea until you’ve done it. I worked in food service to help pay for college, and it’s why I tip 20% almost every time. 

And it’s doubly hard for young women, who in addition to the usual bullshit everyone goes through, have to put up with random dickheads fondling, ogling, and making disgusting comments. I’m glad I had the experience, but damn glad I don’t have to do it anymore.

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MichiBuck12's picture

I would agree that everyone should work customer service at least once in their life. That goes right along with my belief that all sports fans should be required to officiate at least one season of a sport. I'm certainly pro-tipping, and I think I'm a pretty good tipper. But what bugs me is articles like this, and the idea that its mandatory. The whole idea behind tipping is that you voluntarily tip based on the service you receive. I tip well because I want to show my appreciation for service well performed, not because somebody told me I had to. And don't get me wrong, being a bad tipper still makes someone an asshole. I just object to the idea that I HAVE to do it.

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Drpsychbuck's picture

Awesome Studwara is looking for other jobs. Could Bill Davis and Taver Johnson also be encouraged to seek “promotions” at other places so competent or better yet all star or up and coming younger position coaches can hired in their stead?!!! Would make for I stand upgrades next year on defense

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semperfibuck's picture

“What do I know? I'm just a guy with a laptop.”

Perhaps you need to understand how much Ohio State is hated out there in the world. Yes, we have lots of Buckeyes everywhere, but there are many more haters. Ohio against the world isn’t just a slogan; it’s a way of life.

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tekk69's picture

Day isn’t leaving. He knows that in 1 or 2 years he’s getting the keys to the Bentley which is better than anything he could leave for now, especially with Clay Helton staying at USC

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Shakeup Saturday approaches.

Lucifer's Vessel must keep the Tide Rolling and drown the Bulldogs.

Mensa Man must out-think Oklahoma Sooner than later.

Bucks must obliterate the Nerds with beaucoup style points.

Simple.

Go Bucks.

Win B1G.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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btalbert25's picture

I think people need to get over the whole, conspiracy against Ohio State theory.  Last year as well as this year we got blown out, not beaten, but absolutely dismantled by bad teams.  You can overcome a 3 or 7 point loss on the road to a bad team, but to get humiliated by a bad team is really hard to overcome.  

Oklahoma is a flawed team, but not even 2 weeks ago the majority of the people in the Buckeye community thought this team had 0 chance to make the playoff and didn't deserve to be there even if they could make it.  We had 1 GREAT half of football and all of that all the sudden has changed????  C'mon people we are all better than that.  

I'll say it right now, if Bama loses to a top 5 team this Saturday, they deserve to be in the playoff more than we do. 

Oklahoma, shitty as they have looked on defense, lost a barn burner to a good Texas team in their biggest rivalry game. Notre Dame had a solid schedule and won every game.  Even if Georgia loses, they have a decent argument to get in still in my opinion. The only game they struggled in, was their loss to LSU.  Everything else was a pretty comfortable win, and they played some pretty good teams along the way.

 These aren't conspiracies, it's looking at what was done on the field.  This entire season we looked pretty pedestrian and frankly there were games where the team looked apathetic to the game they were participating in.  Last Saturday was the only game I really enjoyed watching this year.  I do think we should be in the conversation.  I do think that if we win and Oklahoma loses we should be in.  I also think, though, that Oklahoma probably does in fact have a better resume and if we both win, they probably do eek us out and should. 

A bad loss does, and should matter, especially when the resumes are similar.  Last year, people complained about Bama getting in over us, but they had 1 loss.  Last year they deserved to be in over us, after the Iowa debacle.  Don't lose to Iowa, OR lose in a close game and we probably get in.  

What's funny is, 2014 we got benefit of the doubt and won the title.  After 2015 where our monster team didn't get in because we didn't play in the Conference title game, they changed how things work so that we could be included in 2016 (and we saw how that worked out).  The idea that the CFP doesn't want to let Ohio State in is laughable, especially considering the 2 times we've been in, the committee kind of made exceptions to let us in. 

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Hovenaut's picture

^ This.

Beat Northwestern, and I won't spend an ounce of energy worrying about whatever the hell else happens Saturday.

Take care of what you're supposed to take care of on the field, and there's no concern about anyone making decisions for you off it.

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Turfgrad's picture

Should have done that at Purdue!

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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btalbert25's picture

When you compare the resumes overall, and they are as close as Ohio State and Oklahoma are that HORRIBLE loss to Purdue has to be the deciding factor.  Even losing by 3 on the road at Purdue would have been forgivable and we probably would be sitting with the edge right now, but we know that's not what happened!

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tampatom's picture

Hoping Schiano gets a look at Lousiville and Georgia Tech. I don't think they will let Day go nor do I think he wants to at this point. Davis is gone for sure, hoping Stud too, but not sure he will go for a lateral move. Wilson should be looking but not sure what happens with his baggage from IU...This is not stuff UM likes to do

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RCRoy45's picture

The Fortnite thing is ridiculous...  Our girls use do NOT use electronics hardly at all - they are 8/9 and do not have an IPad or IPhone and when we got a new mini van as we drive all over the place for their golf tournaments.. there is no tv nor any electronics.. doesn't matter if it's a 1000 mile drive.  These electronics are become so destructive and my experience is that you can tell the kids that have some electronic restrictions and those that have none (I understand we are on the eccentric side) - I'd rather have my kids smoking cigarettes for a year than have regular access to electronics - it's less harmful.  I told my school this when they tried to push the kids to have their own laptops.. if my kid smoked cigarettes for a year then stopped.. the harm would be muted.. compared to a year of their childhood lost with their face in electronics and the damage that does to the brains development...  I don't know what the answer is to these electronic addictions.. but it's a serious issue.. 

“And in the night of death, hope sees a star and listening love hears the rustle of a wing.”

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Wut?

So, I'm assuming you read this article in your newspaper and mailed this comment in. Wouldn't want that second-hand screen usage to hurt your kids....

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RCRoy45's picture

LOL... I'm not Amish dude...  really.. why does an 8/9 year old need to use an electronic device?    You drive a car... does that mean it's hypocritical for you to not let your 8/9 year old do so.... 

“And in the night of death, hope sees a star and listening love hears the rustle of a wing.”

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Yeah, because smoking cigarettes for a year, driving a vehicle, and spending a rational amount of time on an electronic device are exactly the same thing for an 8 year old.

How do you keep them from looking at the television when you're watching it?  Or listening to the radio?  Or riding in a carriage?

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oztintacius's picture

"Watching TV will rot your brains, children" - your parents.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

You know - all of the conspiracy theories are fun to read, but in the end, I have to come back to some rational points here...

Ohio State got air raided by an unranked Purdue team... and looked like a fucking high school team playing an NFL team in doing so.  It's like eating something so putrid that you cannot get the taste out of your mouth no matter how many times you brush your teeth or how many bottles of mouthwash you swish and spit!

Ohio State has a MASSIVE following and game after game produce the highest watched games every single year... there is NO way a network is working to snub Ohio State - EVER.

I will agree that the SEC scheduling is freakin garbage and they get WAY too much undeserved love from the media and committee.  Playing cupcakes 1/2 the time absolutely makes a difference on the field because you're not wearing athletes down as much!

Anyway, the Buckeyes need to road plow the pesky Wildcats, and as much as I love their coach - he needs to be outright humiliated on Saturday!  Then, let the chips fall where they may!!!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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ScarletGray43157's picture

Pete Thamel says on The Big Ten Network that in an interview with Dwayne Haskins, Haskins told him that he will watch game film while in bed with his girlfriend. [We cannot figure out which emoticon to insert here.]

TMI 

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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yantubos's picture

At this point, might as well tell us what your favorite position is (and I don't mean QB)

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subUrbanBuck22's picture

Who the f*ck is Josh Allen? Lol

Go Bucks!

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Eph97's picture

Have a feeling there is going to be massive turnover on the staff and Meyer is going to be having his own "revenge tour" next season over all his doubters and critics.

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buckeyedude's picture

I like the way you think. 

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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NewPhilaFan's picture

That AI was the basis for Person of Interest.

Let's Go Bucks

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BuckeyesAlumSon's picture

Why do Bearcat fans defend ESPN all the time? It’s weird. 

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buckeyedude's picture

You can say that again!!!!

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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BuckeyesAlumSon's picture

Why do Bearcat fans defend ESPN all the time? It’s weird. 

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