Get Rid of CCGs and Let the Top 8 Go at It

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Tater_Schroeder's picture

This isn't a terrible idea. I'm very strongly against 8 teams playoff but it's more palatable if you remove the conference championships.

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I'm Ron Burgundy's picture

Actually a decent idea to playoff expansion, the elimination of CCG and first round games in its place.  It will never in a million years happen, but an interesting idea nonetheless.

Also props for going into the way back machine with all the possible scenarios.

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TeddyKGB's picture

I'd rather see the 5 conference champs and 3 at-large bids.  Let everyone know before a single game is played what you have to do to make the playoff.  Take it out of voters' hands (except for the 3 at-large).

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BrutusB's picture

I hate the idea of autobids.  OOC games would just turn into meaningless exhibition games.  It's more fun when you have an OU/OSU matchup and it feels like there are really high stakes.

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buckeye_in_WI's picture

A lot of them are meaningless exhibition games already (see the SEC and ACC vs FCS teams)

There would still be 3 at large bids, so having a good OOC win vs a P5 team would help for those spots.

If we had an 8 team playoff with auto bids, I'd hope part of that system would be eliminate one of the 3 early season OOC games. If that happened, it would actually lessen the meaningless games.

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allinosu's picture

Get a bidder to bid higher for automatic bids and it would happen. Money talks.

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Vabuck213's picture

Not really. Because out of conference wins don't necessarily dictate who the conference champion would be. It would be based on the conference record. I get the tiebreaker would be overall record but if a team is 7-0 or 6-1 in conference it is going to be the champion over a 5-2 team. You win your conference games youre in. You can what if scenario to death but in most cases the top team in each conference is near the top of the rankings. and with 3 at large bids you can still include the top teams that arent the champions. 

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BrutusB's picture

You'd have just as much whining over 8 vs 9 as you do now with 4 vs 5. 

I personally like the current setup.  Win your games and you're in.  If you lose, don't let it be by 29 points to a 6-6 team.  Those are reasonable standards.

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buckeye_in_WI's picture

You'd have some, but the whining would be less. The current 4 team playoff guarantees at least one conference gets left out yearly (this year 2 and last year 2). 8 does not. Each conference wouls have a clear path: beat the teams you play. If you can't do that, then you may have a shot but no guarantees.

In the current system the only guarantee is win out (as long as 4 other teams dont win out) which very few teams can do. So most of the time it comes down to the tornado of a beauty pagent were stuck in now. Best win vs worst loss. SoS. FPI. Yuck.

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Vabuck213's picture

This. It would eliminate a lot of the complaining from all the conferences left out and in years like this and last could offer UCF an opportunity to prove it on the field. 

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allinosu's picture

The whining is exactly why the bid was higher for the 4 team.

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cmented36's picture

No, fuck letting non-conference champions play in a national championship playoff that's the real disconnect that's causing issues. If you can't win your conference you don't deserve a national championship tough luck. 

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BrutusB's picture

Did you feel that way in 2016?

And if there a bunch of upsets this weekend are you really going to watch Pitt play Northwestern in a semifinal?

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cmented36's picture

Yea, if you can't win your own conference you shouldn't be worried about winning a national title. It diminishes what college football has been about. Who says Pitt and Northwestern would get in? There's more than Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Big 12, Pac 12. Say Clemson and OSU both lose and Bama wins. Playoff would be something closer to Bama, Oklahoma, UCF, Washington. Top 4 ranked conference champions playing for the title. I don't get why this is such a big mystery they have playoffs that work based off of division, conferences, and wins at literally every other level of football but the FBS. If people are so worried about making the playoffs take care of business in your division and then in your conference championship game and your in. No more people trying to go well this team looks better than this team. Let the wins and losses speak for themselves. If you have a big loss in conference, shit happens, better luck next year it's why the regular season games are played in the first place. 

Or we could literally just assume, Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma, OSU, and Georgia are just scrimaging every year to see what seed they get in the playoff. 

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cdub4's picture

Not a bad idea IMO. Will not happen though.

I hate the conference champions auto bid idea. No other sport do you have to win a regular season conference title to make a playoff. This isn't 1968.

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Vabuck213's picture

The NFL does it and nobody bitches. I dont understand why people hate the idea of conference champions getting in. Think of each conference as a division in the NFL. Its essentially the same concept. 

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BrutusB's picture

Nobody cares about the NFL regular season either. Don’t ruin the best part of CFB by trying to change the last two weeks. 

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allinosu's picture

The whole idea and bid was to separate a far as possible from the NFL model and both sides adamantly said so.

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Codeezy's picture

i can see your side. i personally like the playoff and the CCGs. every year you’ve set examples for there is atleast two teams i don’t think deserve to have a shot at a Natty. 

BUT i will say that i loved reading this and i really like this forum post. i will be checking on this one to see what others think. Thank you for the time and thought you put into this! :)

How long has that van been there?

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mb5599's picture

would be a lot of empty trophy cases if you do away with divisions and conference championship games.  only one team would have a trophy at the end of the year...............

Big B

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seyekcuB's picture

Ohio state would be the big ten champ right now.

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seyekcuB's picture

The conference championship games are a joke. Total cash grabs played at a neutral site off campus.
8 or 16 team playoffs. Just play a conference schedule. No one needs to play AA teams in late November(SEC)

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colo_buckeye's picture

As a side note, I was watching dan patrick show, they had Greg Sankey, SEC Commissioner, he is so completely arrogant it literally just about made me puke.  If they post it on youtube, and you want to see the way the SEC thinks, check it out.  He names the Championship games and their teams except, you guessed it, OSU.  Wouldn't even mention their name.  I personally think the SEC doesn't want any part of Urbs and the buckeyes, especially after the beat down on scum.

He says they shouldn't give up regular season game.  REALLY?!?  The Citadel, are you kidding me??  What a joke.

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seyekcuB's picture

They are hoping Georgia wins.

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colo_buckeye's picture

Oh, without a doubt.  That is their dream scenario and he even talks about a repeat.  Dan asked him a hypothetical, if 80% of the fans wanted expanded playoffs, would they be in favor of it.  He replied with basically don't care because college football is already special and the sec is already has a "rigorous schedule".

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gumtape's picture

The problem with an 8 team playoff is you would have the poopheads at Michigan in the playoffs after getting pasted and three sec teams every year. No thanks.

High and tight boo boo

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Ahh Saturday's picture

There is NO reason Pitt (7-5) and NW (8-4) should be playing in a post-season weekend when we could have:

5) OU at 4) UGA

6) OSU at 3) ND

7) Washington at 2) Clemson

8) UCF at 1) Bama

Not entirely sure how you're doing your seedings, but that is one fine weekend of college football right there. I'd love to see that UCF-Alabama game. If they fall flat on their face, fine, but two consecutive undefeated seasons have earned UCF the right to at least force a top team to kick their asses.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I'm fine with four. Would be open to 8 ONLY if it included first round games on campus of the higher seeded team, AND allowed one spot for the highest ranked G5 team. So, in my opinion, they should do Top 7 as they do now, and then the #8 team should be the highest ranked G5 team. 

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BrutusB's picture

On campus games are a pipe dream that’s never going to happen. Too many people want their cut of the money and don’t want their bowls to become irrelevant. You’d have four of the NY6 become quarterfinals and two be semis every year and rotate like they do now. 

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Buckeye_Since_1997's picture

Replacing the CCG’s with a weekend of quarterfinals makes more sense than having Northwestern and Pittsburgh playing in postseason games. Probably will not happen though.

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TheAFBuckeye's picture

My opinion. 

1. Make an eleven game regular season instead of 12.

2. No games against FCS opponents. 

3. No independent teams allowed in FBS.

4. Conferences must have 12 teams minimum and 2 divisions. 

5. 8 team playoff with 5 auto bids for power 5 conference champions, 1 auto bid for highest ranked non power 5 team and 2 fully at large bids. 

6. The extra games for the playoff are chosen from whatever the next most popular bowls are and those become the games.

I also think the difference in teams from 4 to 5-8 is far less than 9 - whatever.

Let's Go BUCKEYES!!!!!

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BeatMeechigun's picture

Love all of it except 4 and 5.  If conferences have 12 teams, just play 9 of the 11 and things will sort out most of the time.  I don't like these scenarios where a 0 or 1-loss team plays a 3 or 4-loss division winner with a 1 or 2-loss division runner-up sitting at home.  I also don't like the rematches.  Just scrap the CCGs and scrap divisions.  If Wisconsin and OSU both finish the conference season at 8-1 and never meet, who cares?  Call them co-champions and throw them both in the 8-team playoff.

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TheAFBuckeye's picture

I see your point. I guess what’s a higher risk? Two teams from a conference not playing and having identical records or a 3-4 loss team winning a division and then beating the 0-1 loss team.

Let's Go BUCKEYES!!!!!

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