Just trying to help out.
AE expects a BOOM this week.
Thank you Northbrook, we need at least 2 Boom for 2019, we are stall at 15
If Kurelic says Green is in, he is in. That is a 99.9% lock. Kurelic does not risk his 100% accuracy Dean of Whatever status.
Beyond that I expect Some of these in-state guys will make the flip soon. Certainly Duplain since he has visited. I'm not sure what other in-state guys visited for The Game. Was Eichenberg there? Was Jacobs?
We had three DTs visit and what is going on there is confusing to me. What does their preference board look like between Butler, Ellies and Harrison-Hunte? How many might they take? Would they take one of them as a OG if Duplain doesn't flip or if we prefer them?
I don't even want to talk about Harrison but I agree with Spooner's assessment.
The TE prospect from OH, Foster, only gets in if Berry leaves early (he shouldn't) and another TE transfers, IMO.
We may hear of new names too. Following recruiting is a blast.
You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!
I can't tell you how many times I refreshed 11W Saturday and Sunday waiting to see the BOOM red banner at the top of the page.
Jestin Jacobs took an unofficial for The Game and will decide this week if he’ll take an OV to Ohio State. If he does, expect him to be a Buckeye.
The world is yours
I'm surprised he isn't already. Doesn't Iowa, like MSU usually have a no visit policy for their commits?
Those who say they can and those who say they can't are both right. Which one are you?
Iowa was ok with an unofficial
Just a general note, those who come in and muck up these threads will be escorted to the door.
Respect the threads, 'croot on.
I just want to say thanks for all the information you all put out. I try to follow recruiting, you all make it easy and enjoyable.
Spooner does the heavy lifting here. I appreciate it too. Love 'crootin.
Do we have a good idea yet where everybody is playing? Spooner correct me if I am wrong but from what I've read it's Shaw-S Craig Young-LB Cade Stover-DE Ronnie Hickman-S Steele Chambers-RB Nester-OT
shaw and chambers are up in the air and Nester may not be a great tackle option but the lack of options will force him there. If this is what we have we would still need a corner(renardo green) LBs(eichenberg jestin Jacobs) OT(dawand jones?) OG(JD duplain) DT(?) Hopefully we hang on to Jordan battle and this would put us at 20 and we grab a couple others
I'm not sure we have room for more than 20. I think some of the guys we thought would leave like Sheffield, Mack, and Arnette, may stay.
I think you'll see this class get to at least 20 and probably higher.
Isnt Mack a soph?
In my spreadsheet I have him as a third year Junior. So a 4th year Senior next season if I have it right.
Mack was class of 16, so that's not right.
So if he didn't redshirt he is a third year junior and will be a senior next season.
I think this is what is the most interesting thing about this class. It has a chance to be way better than the 2015 class based of how these ATH commits find a position and perform. Now I can't speak for the staff but were it up to me I would have them as:
OLB: Jacobs, Young, Chambers
Depending on where Young's' body takes him I could even see him as a hybrid DE/LB
Young and Mehkail Sherman just seem like perfect hybrids
Shaw is so mystifying to me he is so athletic we went for him hard but nobody else did and the services have him low and you see Jacoby as OT? Is that the current plan to your knowledge?
The only thing Jacoby lacks is elite arm length for a tackle but he's got incredible feet and balance + initial punch.
Shaw to me is a gem as a WR and still a great get if its at Safety. He's a sure tackler and will smack you on defense and he shows great instincts in pass defense. However on offense his short area quickness is elite (which is why I think our staff liked him as a DB) and his ball skills are elite too. Just comes down to route running but I think he could be a faster David Sills on offense or bigger faster CJ Saunders.
Edit: Shaw started getting a nice offer list before he committed to Wisconsin and then to us. But he and his dad definitely shut down any attempts by other schools to recruit him after he flipped.
Really like Shaw. Think he is a real hidden gem either at safety or WR
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
Not Spooner but I'd like to chime in...
I agree with Spooner and at least one other that Shaw could play DB or HB/WR. We shall see. They'll slot him where they need him most. He is quite an athlete.
Craig Young is interesting. I'd think LB too but I haven't seen any film of him there.
Stover does seem like somebody who would end up at DE but his frame is slight. If he ends up there it might not be for 3 years. He is going to contribute at LB before that happens.
Hickman is a S unless he grows into a LB. Chambers has always looked like a better LB prospect to me. Tough kid. He may surprise me as a RB.
Nester is slotted for OG. The OL for next year is an interesting situation. Munford is a starter at LOT. Alabi and LittleBrother will compete for ROT. I would be surprised if Wray is ready to compete next year. Jacoby is an eventual contributor but not next year. I'm hoping we can flip Broeker but I don't think he can contribute right away either. Maybe Jordan or Bowen (both should stay) can provide some competition at OT. At OG and C we will have Bowen, Jordan, and Davis as OGs probably and then quite possibly true freshman Miller at C. That is a lot to ask of a true freshman but Miller may be the guy who can do it. Myers seems to be the next man up between him, Cupp and Jones and I don't see any other freshmen besides Miller contributing.
Lotta good points there but have to disagree on Stovers frame. He's already over 230lbs without a S&C program and that's bigger than Hubbard was when he arrived.
Regardless of where he starts out or ends up he is a Playa. He will be a Captain.
After I watched his film I’m a huge fan. Kid just goes 100mph and he has heart. Kind of similar to John Simon. He’ll be a good one here
Per 11w recruiting twitter account, Ohio State will get the last inhome visit with Harrison.
I like those odds.
Seal the deal Papi Urban and Grandpapi LJ!
It’s great to get the last visit, but it’s also nice to see the staff is laser focused on this weekend’s game. The killer instinct is back.
Fsu insider CB Green to OSU
Only a matter of time.
After looking at the Khalil tate transfer drama I checked in on Grant Gunnell who has dropped pretty far in the rankings. I, along with others were pretty annoyed when we turned down a top 100 QB but now he is a 3 star ranked 397. Amazing that the coaches are good at what they do.
Renardo Green senior year highlights:
It’s Tuesday morning and we still havnt heard much on visitors. Kinda thought we would of heard a bunch of stuff yesterday. Maybe today?
Spooner or AE, what's you take on Justin rogers? Thought he visited for the game, but haven't heard anything afterwards. How do you like our odds? Sorry, can't remember if he is 19 or 20 class
He is a 20' kid...if I remember correctly the consensus is that his recruitment process will go until close to NSD next year. Not sure I would put to much stock in any vibes he might have, if he did visit.
Go Bucks********Muck Fichigan
I wonder if the lack of a BOOM or two is related to the uncertainty around Urban? Even though he said he was planning on coaching it was not 100% convincing...
I doubt it. There is not a schedule for these things.
BK has an update as to what he is hearing on Jordan Battle. Can anyone summarize?
It is too close to call between Ohio State and Alabama.
Battle may or may not take all 5 OVs.
Battle is focused on his high school playoffs right now.
-- Honestly, that is the summation.
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Definitely wondering about Battle and if he’s sticking with his commitment. I think this is a bigger deal than anyone we’re currently pursuing
From everything I've read Jordan Battle and his family just want to know that Urban will be his coach while he's at OSU. If they can assure him of that then OSU likely hangs onto him. The problem is that Urban hasn't addressed that. All he says is he "plans to coach next year."
The problem is that Urban hasn't addressed that. All he says is he "plans to coach next year."
That's all he has said publicly. Who knows what they talk about privately.
It feels like Urban is being intentionally coy. He’s heard the rumors. He knows the perception. He could shut it down by denouncing the rumors and stating, unequivocally, that he will be the Ohio State head coach in 2019. Because he hasn’t done that, it leads me to believe the rumors have some validity.
Except he has shut them down. He has not said he will be the coach forever, but has said he will coach next year and beyond that said as long as he is able.
I am not sure how much clearer he can be about it.
Urban Meyer had a simple answer to a question about whether he would return as Ohio State's head coach next season: "I plan to coach."
It is what they are saying but the assurance they may want may or may not be possible to even give in the first place. Once this sort of doubt is in there, people can be irrational about anything pushing the doubt away. Just the way it is.
Can 67 year old Nick Saban really guarantee he'll be at Bama until 2022 though?
he can't even guarantee he will be alive in 2022.
no one can really, but at 70+ the odds get shorter.
He can. The devil never dies.
Looks like David Bell is heading to West Lafayette. Disappointing. It felt like we had him on commitment watch in May, now he’s heading to a school that’s about to lose their head coach. Thanks Zach Smith.
It's a beautiful day in Columbus, Ohio... and TTUN still sucks.
They're all decommitting once he announces! I even see Milton Wright following him to Louisville since they were a major contender in his recruitment.
Yeah, Milton Wright is from Lville so that seems like a pretty obvious move. Do you think George Karlaftis would also decommit? 247 has him as a top 10 player in the nation, but he's from West Lafayette so I can't see him decommitting as easily.
Rumor mill is, if Brohm takes off then scUM is the favorite to land Kalaftis.
Okay, but did that rumor come about before or after watching the Buckeye D-line dominate, and the scUM D-line have 0 QB hurries?
So with Brohm likely going to Lville today DE George Karlaftis is likely going to Michigan putting them at 29 commits and 3 DEs. They are the favorite for one OT Dawand Jones/Trevor Keegan DE Zach Harrison OLB Anthony Solomon and maybe LB Kalen Deloach(solid class good for them). They will lose one RB in Eric Grey due to having 5 star Zach Charbonnet. Obviously you make room for Zach Harrison but having 4 DE in a 30 man class is crazy. Should Brohm leave today hopefully Karlaftis flips quickly and we can nab Harrison.
I wonder if we are trying to flip Karaftis to OSU as a plan B for Harrison? Or second Plan A is more appropriate. Karaftis is a great player!
Fields of Dreams
Isn't there a hard cap at 25 players per class now? If so, they better start pushing people out.
I expect them to be around 29-30 this year. Karlaftis is so good that they'd take him even if it meant hurting their chances to get Harrison. They still could land both but it guarantees them a stud DE, while even without Karlaftis, Harrison could still pick OSU or PSU. No brainer to take him immediately if he wanted in there. I'm sure they would attempt to sell Harrison on having a dominant 1/2 DE combo. Michigan has done a nice job with their class up to this point after a pretty ugly one last cycle. Would be great if we could make a pitch to Karlaftis as well.
They can not exceed 25.
I know some have said that but I believe thats incorrect. I've read the rule and it explicitly says you can count early enrollees for the current cycle or the prior one as long as you don't exceed 25. The rule change took out the option to count transfers to open more enrollee spots and other such situations but I don't see this being a hard cap. I'm pretty certain we will see schools exceeding 25.
The early enrollee loop was closed. There is a hard cap at 25.
The first part here is the rule and second is the application which adds a wrinkle to the rule and which is I why I think schools can exceed 25. It's not really exceeding 25 but its counting the 2nd/3rd semester enrollees where the school desires. This is current for 2018/19 as of August 2018 and is directly from the NCAA website.
188.8.131.52 LimitationonNumberofNationalLetterofIntent/OfferofFinancialAidSignings—Bowl SubdivisionFootball.[FBS] In bowl subdivision football, there shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid and student-athletes who may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time. [D] (Adopted: 1/16/10 effective 8/1/10, Revised: 1/14/12 effective 8/1/12, 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
184.108.40.206.1 Application. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid or a student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided in the fall term of an academic year shall count toward the annual limit on signings for that academic year. A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid or a student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided during the second or third term of the academic year may count toward the limit for that academic year or the limit for the next academic year. (Adopted: 1/14/12 effective 8/1/12, Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
Interesting. So it's really counting forward instead of backwards. But you'd have to get the players families to agree to pay their own way if they are being counted as part of next years 25 limit.
I had thought that one of the Andrew's came on here a while back and said there was a hard cap of 25 with no loop holes. It would be good to get a concrete answer on this.
This seems to have become one of life's great mysteries lol
This is the rule I have to go on so I've said before I guess we won't really know for certain until signing day and see where schools end up at. The players don't have to pay their own way. If they are early enrollees in the 2nd or 3rd semester they can be counted for the current calendar year (2018/19) or the following provided the school doesn't exceed 25. So Michigan was around 20 enrollees for this year so they should be able to take 5 January enrollees and count them for this year. Which means their potential 30 man recruiting class for 2019 would really be 25. I simply don't see anything in the NCAA rulebook as evidence you can't do that. What I copied and pasted above actually seems to say you can do exactly that.
So you are saying they could take 30 this year and knock 5 off next year capping themselves at 20 unless of course they want to sign 30 again stealing 10 spots from 2021? I have seen multiple recruiting guys say its been hard hard capped at 25. If the sec or somebody already has a loophole that would be disheartening. In my opinion in order for that to work those 5 extra recruits would have to enroll in the January after their fellow class members.
That is not how it works. If they count 5 early enrollees of a 30-man class from 2019 to the 2018/19 year that would put them at 25 for 2018/19 and 25 for 2019/20. So they could not do the same the next year as they would have already hit the limit of 25. So they would be hard capped at 25 for 2020. The reason they can do this is because they took about 20 last year (I forget the exact number.)
I think you're misinterpreting the rule (or I am). The way I read it, 2nd and 3rd term apply to spring and summer semesters following the fall term. Meaning, if they take 30 guys this year, 5 of them can be counted to the 2020 class only if they are not on scholarship until January 2020. You can not back count, only forward count in a grey shirt type situation where the player is not receiving financial aid for the fall of their freshman year.
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Thats what Im getting Triv. The backcounting from years prior and early enrollees is the exact thing the hard cap was meant to stop, or one of. I doubt they are going to let early enrollees count towards a prior years total. And if they do allow it. It only takes one year to dig yourself a hole with no wiggle room.
Yes I believe that was the purpose of the rule. No back counting, only forward counting if you can convince the family of a wealthier player to pay their own way their first semester (Fall 2019, in this case) or have the player just not join the team until Jan 2020
The wording refers to the initial aid they receive being in the 2nd or 3rd semester. My interpretation is when early enrollees matriculate in January and receive that aid then, they can be counted for either that school year or the next as long as the school stays under 25. I see what you are saying but I'm not sure the rule specifies that. I guess the question would be do all or most early enrollees get aid immediately or not? I am unsure of that.
Yes, 2nd or 3rd semester of the 2019 academic year is January 2020/May 2020. Which leads me to believe that when they say "that year or the next" they are referring to 2019 or 2020. The wording specifically states "academic year" so I am nearly certain that's how it is meant to be interpreted, as January 2019 would be referred to as "previous academic year" since that is the 2018 academic year.
I'm not sure about that. It says if the first financial aid they receive is 2nd or 3rd semester they would count for that academic year or the next. If a 2019 recruit enrolls in January, 2019 and receives aid he would be receiving it during that academic year which is the 2018/19 academic year and could be counted in that class if the limit of 25 has not been hit. Thats my interpretation and it is what happened last year. This rule was passed in 2017 and was supposed to apply to 2018 as well so I just haven't seen any new change and I've read differing accounts on this. Some people have stated it is 25 no matter what, some have said what I'm saying. I'm basically at the point where I won't feel like I know until signing day 2 in February.
You may be right. I was under the impression this rule was implemented for this year, but that rule book says effective 8/1/17 and the way you interpret the wording certainly happened with the 2018 class.
It's been confusing, that's for sure. Wouldn't expect anything less with the NCAA. The tipoff to me is that some schools have been operating at 25 or over (Michigan and Ole Miss) while still recruiting multiple specific players and others are doing the same while close to 25 (Texas AM, Clemson, Arkansas.) I just tend to think they wouldn't open the door to the easy criticism and negative recruiting that accompanies what they would be doing and it also seems too coincidental to me that those same schools were far under 25 enrollees for 2018. Says to me they plan on going over 25.
I read it the way Triv does. Counting forward, not backward.
You can still backcount like always. Teams did it last year.
So you can sign more than 25 players this year as long as you have room to back count from the previous year.
Meaning you can sign more than 25 kids that are 2019 kids in the "traditional" sense.
Anyone hang-wringing over upcoming 3-star commits I have two words for you... Chris Olave
Obviously we all love higher rated commits and I’m aware of the percentages, just saying you never know how things work out.
Gotta trust this staff's ability to evaluate talent.
Yeah, it's silly to automatically bemoan a recruit just because he's a not a 4 or 5 star.
Or Michael Thomas.
But keep in mind, most of these 3 star talents are last ditch options. So yes, the staff evaluated talent but obviously had preferences over them.
not always last ditch but rather guys that killed it their senior year and weren't noticed as much before. Olave falls into this category I believe.
Touche. Yeah, Olave had to sit out his Jr. Year since he transferred so there wasn't a lot of tape on him.
Michigan visited ZH last night, correct? Has anyone heard or seen anything about their visit?
Been scouring the interwebs for news on this as well and have come up empty thus far. The only shred of information I saw was from Bill Greene on 247 saying that Penn State and Michigan did visit and OSU would visit next week but no mention of how the visit went.
Makes sense. His recruitment, to his credit, has been very quiet so I'm sure we won't hear anything.
I read that for the Michigan visit it may have just been Al Washington. They are saving Harbaugh for a potential final visit (which is pretty funny). I guess Zach really loves Washington. Holding Harbaugh back for a visit by himself could backfire. LOL
Bet harbaugh gets Situational and leads with how important a Rivalry Game is.
13-0 and a chance to go 14-0
In another universe ttun still sucks...
Earn this... Beat clemson.
Saving Harbaugh for the sleepover
Everyone knows how it went, but no one is talking because its not important to buckeye fans.
Any Update on Darnell Wright? haven't heard his name in awhile, guessing since he didn't come to the game we don't have a shot
His recruitment reminds me a little bit of NPF. Some speculation but nobody seems to know much of anything and the kid has been real quiet. I haven't heard anything new.
He'll be going down south . We have basically fallen off his radar . The rivalry he has with Nester turned him away . I believe we got the better of the two.
Per his Twitter Cade Stover has been named Ohio Mr. Football
Kids a beast
So here's Cade's stats on the year:
1500 yds rushing
18 offensive TD's
If we don't get a boom soon, I may have to be admitted to a psych ward!
If you need a recruiting boom to avoid a psych ward, you should probably already be in said psyche ward.
Poor little guy can't comprehend playful banter. Let me break it down for you.
I would really like to receive a recruits commitment after winning the big game on Saturday.
Yahoo just reported that BroHam is spurning his alma mater and staying at Purdue. So that stops some dominoes in the recruiting world.
Tell ya what. Purdue is gonna have Moore, Wright and Bell in the upcoming years! Nice targets for a young QB.
They have 3 4 stars on defense in their current class, Purdue is about to get annoying
Maybe they can finally have a consistently competent team in the West?
Not sure how it will shake out in the next few weeks but the Auburn situation is worth monitoring for possible flip candidates. Apparently higher ups don't want Malzahn there anymore or at least that's the word.
Maybe Jalen Curry will give is another look?
He's not committed there last I checked. He was also never very high on our staffs board so he'd never be a take.
Saw an article somewhere (maybe 11W?) that Bob Stoops was being courted, but he vehemently denied it.
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
Stoops denied it but the two Big $$$'s Boosters he met with about the situation spilled the beans.
Could be an interesting story developing in the SEC......
I meant he denied he was taking the job...reiterated he was retired. Not that he denied the meeting. Who knows? If Bob wants to coach again, why the SEC West? I mean, with what is going on with Urban (I personally think he's still got 3-5 years left in Columbus), why not wait that out and throw your name in that hat? Also...not saying I want Bob Stoops as Urbans successor.
I know he wasn't committed, just trending that way as well as the PSU. Didn't know he wasn't high on our boards.
Do they have any commits that were serious about OSU?
I tried bum juice once, it was bitterly disappointing.
Ah yes. Thanks. For some reason I thought he had picked Georgia.
I don’t think he was a take for us or UGA at the time
Nicholas l Ernst
He was a take he was just a hard pull to come north.
Andrew just flipped his Zach Harrison crystal ball from TTUN to cloudy. Do I dare allow myself some cautious optimism?
I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..
I just can't take it anymore lol
Which Andrew? Lol
Huge either way!
Someone quick - to the bat signal! Explanation is needed.
If ZH comes here after that ass whoopin after and Harrison Bailey picked UT over them half the state may be on suicide watch. In a two week span there a was a possibility both James Franklin and Urban were gonna be gone they were gonna take a 5 star from Columbus and they were about to get a top 5 QB from Georgia, while on the field go win their first B1G championship game and make the playoffs. Who's got it better than them?
When you put it that way....
I can't let myself believe, I can't let myself believe, I ....
IT'S HAPPENING PEOPLE HE'S COMING
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
This sucks... In my opinion cloudy is our most dangerous rival.
Because I couldn't go for 3.
Can any of you explain how Bama took 3 DE's in 17, 4 DE's in 18 and currently have 6 DE's committed for '19? That's 13 not including any carryovers from previous classes. Every single one is 4 star or better. I get that they're Bama but I just don't get how you keep that many star players happy at 1 position group. Can they possibly keep all 6 this cycle? Is this normal? I typically only follow OSU/Mich recruiting so maybe this is common and I didn't know.
Easy, they pay the ones they want to keep to wait. Its the only thing that makes sense when other schools see mass transfers if a player doesnt play.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
Their base defense now is basically a nickel with multiple sets. Think I read somewhere that they have 10 different looks from their base nickel alone. They may sign five “defensive ends” and two may move inside, two to linebacker, and then only have a couple left to play the traditional defensive end role.
A good comparison may be Ohio State taking three “running backs” but only one (Zeke) being a true back while the other two (Dontre, Jalin) end up at H or WR.
*regardless of all that I do agree that Bama’s DE numbers have been ridiculous of late
*cough cough - what's up with the crystal ball - cough*
I really just think it’s up in the air so I went foggy with the pick. Lock to Ohio State then lock to UM then he’s back at Ohio State visiting and now doing in-homes? Just seems like someone who doesn’t know where he’s going. Should have probably made it foggy a few weeks ago when I moved it to UM.
Thanks for the response. That is wild. It's crazy to me that multiple kids per class are willing to switch out of their natural position. I can see it happening once in a while, but to get multiple dudes to buy in every year is just unreal. I think that speaks volumes to their coaching staff. That's next level trust they are getting from kids that have never played a down for the school. Have to respect that.
Not all DEs are built the same. The position has a lot of different body typesans tends to be a sort of catch all when it comes to grouping prospects. Anyone from a long of bully LB to a skinny DT may end up listed as a DE. DE isn't necessarily their "natural position" just because that's what some website wrote next to their name.
Dude is milking this out until the end, which isn’t great for us IMO.
Better news than what we've had the last few weeks.
There was a post on 247 earlier today from someone who said they had talked to Jestin Jacobs (LB from OH) and he felt Jestin would stick with his Iowa commitment. I cannot find that post now so maybe it was BS and was taken down - I have no idea if there is any validity to it. Just thought I would pass it along anyway.
Also I didn’t mean to make that CB pick premium. Usually I remember to uncheck that box.
It’s gotten way out of hand with the new Mods. They make us scroll for minutes to find new topics when instead they could easily be posted. This Hovenaut person is absolute trash. Stop being a security guard and let the Eleven Warrior members talk...
One way to not get modded is definitely to complain about the mods and calling one out by name in the wrong forum.
Looks like a comment ripe for some modding.
The offseason is the longest season.
Nice comment there, Remington. Nice knowimg ya. Buh-bye
Rem - you should just leave now before it's no longer in your control
Here we come dabo !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
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Rem doesn't like Perfume?
Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.
Spicy Nola - you're a marked man
Back to recruiting..........
i didn’t see anyone share this yet, but it looks like the nations top player, Nolan Smith from IMG, may possibly visit next week.
Huge news! I still haven't seen a reason given why guys have been decomitting from Georgia. But I'm happy to see that Urban and LJ can take a swing at landing this guy.
Kirby has been forcing out Georgia boys for non-Georgia boys
I can't imagine he forced Hasslewood out though?
No def not wasn't implying that so my bad. Just saying the others was about forcing out Georgia kids and it hasn't sat well with current commits and high school coaches in that state.
How stupid could Kirby be.
The ‘17/18 classes were the cream of the crop with all the instate kids they wanted. If you could cherry pick the best from GA you’ll be in the playoff more often than not. Auburn/Bama/FSU/Fl don’t have it as easy as they used to and messing that up could cost Kirby dearly.
That fake punt just answered your rhetorical question
ain't that the truth
NPF/Carman version 2.0?
I mean I think anything is possible with this staff and while a visit to Columbus in December for a non-game week isn't a vacation visit I would still temper expectations here quite a bit.
coming for his first visit during a non-game week in December.
not happening imo.
More to do with no unofficial visit before an official visit. With OOS kids your chances go up significantly if an unofficial is made before an official visit which is understandable as a reliable trend.
Its all coming together.
Future big ten special teams player of the week runner up:
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— Michael O'Shaughnessy (@mikeosh23) November 30, 2018
What... no BOOM banner for punters? So, what's the scoop with O'Shaughnessy? Will he be a grey shirt for 2019 and technically be counted in the 2020 class? Chrisman is still around for 2019 and 2020 seasons, so I'm assuming we'll just have double scholly punters for Fall 2020?
Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.
He's a grey shirt so I will be adding him to the 2020 class commits.
Soooooooooo......Givs just moved his Rivals version of crystal balls to the good guys today for Zach Harrison......interesting :)
Not sure anybody knows what is going on with this kid at the moment. Who is Givs (sorry if that is a stupid question).
Buckeye Rivals analyst and unquestionably one of the best in the business who probably doesn't get enough credit honestly. But his predictions are worth paying attention to and he's the one guy who has had an accurate pulse on Zach's recruitment by correctly stating what was happening and when. He's the one who back in August said Zach's decision was likely to be in December. He was also the first to say Zach doesn't know where's going as of last week and would have in-home visits take place despite all the pro scUM reports and rumors.
Long story short is if he is making this prediction it's significant bc he's not a homer and not throwing it out there just to appease the fanbase.
Marc is a part of the Holy Triumvirate of OSU Football Recruiting so yes he's obviously someone to pay attention to. Big fan.
OT but the back and forth on Twitter between you 2 is the perfect example of how to Twitter lol
My Holy Triumvirate: Birm, AE, Giv. Lind before he went off adventuring had gotten pretty dang good as well.
EDIT: Very curious who Andrew's other inclusion is (unless he correctly assumed himself) My gut says Gleitman.
I highly doubt it's Kurelic, but very well could be. No chance it's Ari. Bill Greene also in contention.
Greene and givler are 2 of the 3.
Has anyone even confirmed if OSU had the in-house visit with Harrison and, if so, who attended? Did Urban make the trip?
PSU is the only 1 of the 3 to have the entire coaching staff in so far. ScUM has had an assistant or 2 scheduled for this week I believe. There's been jostling back and forth between us and scUM to setup the last visit. Been reported our staff won't be doing anything with Zach until next week due to the champ game prep.
Reminder that assistant coaches can make as many ivisits as they like until the head coach does the in-home. So PSU can longer visit Zach.
A little surprised PSU was not also fighting for the last visit too.
Respectfully, your last comment is incorrect. Assistant coaches can have off-campus in-person contact a total of 6 times per recruit. Multiple ACs visiting on the same day still only counts as one contact. The one off-campus contact permitted the HC does not keep ACs from subsequently making contact so long as they have not used all 6 contacts. However, if any ACs accompanies the HC on his visit, the ACs visit counts separately as one of the 6 allowed. See Bylaw 220.127.116.11 and 18.104.22.168.2.
That would be a very pleasurable way to move a visit: "Zach, we'd love to come today, but we're prepping for the B1G championship game on Saturday. Check with Michigan. I don't think they have a game this week. Yep, just checked the schedule; no championship game for Michigan."
6 to midnight!
Is he giving any rationale for why he changed his pick? Great news :)
Harrison's relationship with Larry Sr. coupled with his ability to develop D-linemen into the best they can be.
The Game validated the D-line development even without the nation's best D-linemen (Bosa) playing.
Xichigan's D-line was a non-factor during The Game.
Harrison's recruitment is NOT over.
The greatest hurdle is for OSU to provide clarity on Urban's future with the program.
So the news today about Urban stepping away is not good? Or, if true, Harrison was briefed and ok with it?
I am not sure what they would tell the kid when right now it is only a story. I imagine Meyer would be honest if his retirement was imminent, but he is around at least next year. And if he is going to join because of LJ than that would be the biggest factor for him. OSU, the coaches anyway, seem to try to push recruits for committment to the program, not so much one single coach. Of course it matters but that is what has been said.
I am still skeptical that one person changing their view means much at the moment. The guy is probably more plugged in than others but I am just skeptical until he fully is on board.
To elaborate on what was said without giving away the whole pay walled post, Zach's decision will not be made with head coach longevity as a high priority or deciding factor. Just need to keep him in the loop.
With that said I'd take the report with a massive grain of salt right now. Coaching scoop is not the most reliable source of coaching info despite their name. I remember very well that they reported a few weeks before Harbaugh signed with scUM that their "sources" told them Harbaugh told scUM he wasn't a candidate for the job. Which of course was complete bs and there's plenty more examples. Now if the Ohio state beat started writing the same thing or backing up the report it would have more merit IMO but right now it's poop flung against a wall
Agree. Feel like anytime OSU has gained any kind of momentum this season on the field or in recruiting another one of these articles is published.
I swear I read a few threads ago how ZH wasn't "vibing" with Urban. Apparently now it is a big deal. Seems confusing.
And that would be what everybody was hearing or reading at that time. Seems that is not totally the case at the moment. Birm has some articles about it and apparently he has a good strong relationship with Meyer and LJ in particular.
Yeah those reports were false about not vibing or communicating or whatever they were. Just like Zach never enrolled up north. It's silly season only believe info from reliable people you have trusted for awhile. Otherwise like I said above consider it poop flung against a wall.
Obviously a team winning games isn't the only or even most important thing on a recruit's mind, but for someone like Zach Harrison to see Michigan shit the bed against OSU after seemingly holding all the chips, and to put that together with the fact that they're on a 7 game losing streak, that has to weigh on his decision if it's between Ohio State and Michigan. Who wants to go somewhere where you'll probably lose 3 or 4 games to your main rivals?
"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."
Bill Greene thinks Duplain is sticking with Sparty
Which is fine I don't view him as a must have. I think Jordan comes back and moves back to guard with Wyatt starting at the other guard spot and then Myers or Miller take over at center so he'd be waiting a little while. Wish the kid the best except for when we play but I'm okay with how this one played out.
Interesting on Jordan. I would have thought he was gone.
Interior offensive linemen rarely go pro early. I think he returns for more year.
He's making at least two mental errors every game in relation to snap cadence. He needs to move back to G next year and hope he gets taken on day 2.
If Jordan comes back I agree the smart move would be to move Jordan to G. He will be a G in the NFL and should be playing there but unfortunately there wasn't a better option this season. Hopefully Matthew Jones can compete at center next year as well.
You know, it hasn't been said (or enough), but props to Jordan for sliding over and manning the center position for the year. Snaps looked pretty good last night.
except for when he forgot the snap count.
Fair enough. Has the Josh Myers ship sailed?
I don't think so. I believe he'll be in the thick of it next spring.
Still hoping we get Wright or Keegan but I would be cool with Broeker as well. I know the staff prefers 5 OL for the class but 4 is the minimum.
This Harrison “news” and the news about Nolan smith visiting (trying not to get my hopes up here), have me really thinking positive for a finish to this class.
End the class with Harrison, Nolan Smith, Tommy E, D. Jacobs, 1 OL, 1 DT, R Green @ DB and we could finish with a top 10 class. And keep Jordan Battle
That would be a better finish than I predicted at all.
That would be pretty awesome, but I would be thrilled to just get Smith or Harrison with the other guys. I would be shocked if Smith went to OSU but getting him on campus is good. Just hard to imagine Georgia letting a kid like that go.
Nolan Smith is a pipe dream. We're talking 5-10% chance max. I would never count out Urban if he actually does end up visiting, but would be an unbelievable flip if they pulled it off, certainly not something we can or should count on.
On the flip side, I've always felt that Harrison was never over to TTUN despite the run of CB's there, particularly after The Game result. I think that one's truly 50/50.
I get the whole pipe dream thing with Nolan Smith, but I’m pretty sure a very respectable staff member on here or poster said “Ohio State has a better chance with Nolan Smith than people are giving credit for”. You know, one of those things.
His name popped yup several weeks ago on one of these posts but hadn’t heard/seen anything since. I think he just came off an official to Bama. It’s a shame he wasn’t on hand last Saturday.
Jesus Garrett Wilson is gonna be a monster
I can’t wait for him to get on campus, wowza
Wow. I didn’t know Garrett was his middle name .
"You can never pay back, but you can always pay forward."
Oh hey look at that our other WR commit is also a beast....
Damn, it's good to be a Buckeye.
Think Wilson is going to start with Olave and Mack next year. With Victor, Williams, and probably harris in the rotation. Assuming KJ Hill leaves.
I hope Babb comes back strong. He’ll be in the mix as well if he’s healthy.
Yeah completely forgot about him NH. Thanks for reminding. Kids got all the talent and would be in the rotation. But I still worry about him coming off two acl injuries. Doesn't usually spell well for a long and productive career. Im pulling for the kid.
If Dixon can rise from all the hardship he went through, then Babb has every opportunity to do the same as long as he puts in the work. He will have the same medical and training staff to help, after all.
Think Gill will have a say at the H-back spot with McCall.
I think the point is we will have plenty of options between the new guys coming in and what's already on the roster. Add in the fact they now have an actual real WR coach and we should still see really good things as a group from year to year and recruits have definitely noticed what he's done thus far.
Going forward, it for sure seems like WR is going to be an area of strength. Not just a bunch of talented guys that do not get much separation. That has hardly seemed to be as big a problem this year.
I hope my grandchildren are still alive to see McCall be a factor here. It seems like we've gotten little glimpses....
Yea, recievers will be stacked even with Cambell, Dixon, McLaurin, and Hill leaving. I'm thinking it looks like this:
x- Mack/Victor Sr, Harris rSo, Blue Smith rFr
z-Olave So/Wilson Fr/Babb rFr, Gardiner rSo
h- McCall rJr/ Gill rFr, J. Williams Fr
Would not surprise me if someone transfers (maybe Gardiner?).
I’m my opinion, Hartline needs the interim tag removed.
It’s only a matter of time.. at least it better be
Pretty sure it has been, just not public yet...
I hope we see Tate quite a bit in the Rose Bowl and I hope he throws it. If Haskins does in fact leave, we need to show the passing game is still going to be a priority for any WRs we're recruiting, especially any out West. I have no doubt Tate can sling it. I hope Day and WIlson give him that chance.
I hope we see Tate quite a bit in the Rose Bowl and I hope he throws it.
You want him to throw the Rose Bowl?
bill greene said from what he is hearing the coaches love the offense and want to keep the same passing attack. so they are leaning toward starting Baldwin next year.
If that is the case it will be bye-bye Tate. We may need to recruit another QB, especially if Baldwin blows up like Haskins did.
I am not surprised to hear this. Baldwin can make all the throws. I know Tate is dynamic but I don’t want to see us become a heavy read-option team again. Not with the weapons we have, and will have. Just my opinion. I know many will prefer Tate.
This would be interesting... thought for sure Tate would be next up.
Wouldn’t mind this at all. Baldwin would’ve been a top 100 player if it weren’t for tearing his ACL twice. The man can sling it.
I'm not saying what you are reporting is wrong, but I would be shocked if Tate Martell wasn't the starter next year.
Pretty sure Baldwin only had one knee injury. He just sat for 3 years waiting his turn at Lake Travis.
Also, the knee injury happened in the final game or 2nd to last game of the season. Maybe he would have gotten a bump if not for the injury but his ranking seemed locked in. Kid was going to Colorado State until we got involved so he wasn't gonna be a top 100 player. Doesn't mean he won't become a great QB obviously.
Really depends on who performs best I guess. And what the coaches want. Tate could be pretty good, I am just not totally sold on the guy other than his running ability. And he is not the biggest guy, at least he does not seem that way, I would be worry about injury.
Have to wait and see I guess.
If that's the case and Tate did decide to transfer I wonder if we would look at taking a transfer ourselves soon just incase. Maybe Olave's old qb that was looking to go that route, can't remember his name. I think we would wait until after Mathis signs to announce something like that...heard This Prototype Qb is available (leaving Kentucky) too. Kidding about the last part obviously.
Chuganov, the WVU transfer that played some this season, also has another year left so they may not need to recruit another QB if Tate leaves, especially with Mathis coming in.
Jack Tuttle is who you were thinking of.
“You know how they say we only use 10 percent of our brains? I think we only use 10 percent of our hearts.”
Yes, bench your Heisman candidate QB for the backup. Not in a million years, unless it is a blow out. Tate will have his chance next year, I am not convinced he will be much more than Barrett 2.0 but we will see. Does not mean he will be bad, but different than what we have seen this year.
#1 all-purpose back for 2019 decommits from TTUN. What a shame. /s. They also have an O-Lineman transferring to Cincinnati.
Memphis Lausanne Top247 RB Eric Gray is the No. 1 ranked all-purpose back in the @247Sports Player Rankings. Gained 8,147 yards en route to 124 TDs and three-straight Mr. Football awards in his prep career. #Vols trending here: https://t.co/yyocL0eGdv https://t.co/PJkFjFmabF
— Steve Wiltfong (@SWiltfong247) December 1, 2018
Reading some of the comments it appears the lineman was expected to be a starter next season. For shame....
I read this decommitment wasn’t unexpected and was actually predicted the minute he committed.
Why would he commit and then decommit less than a week later. WTF is that about?
Get trolled, Michigan. That's why. Here's to hoping Harrison is doing the same thing to them...
He committed in July, 247 has a glitch saying he committed in November too.
Who’s the offensive lineman transferring to cincy? I seen they got a linebacker headed to rutgers
BREAKING: #Michigan OT transfer and former Top247 OT James Hudson has committed to #Cincinnati with three years of eligibility. The Bearcats will purse a waiver.
Heres how it happened: https://t.co/erdi0uWEKx pic.twitter.com/PF2roehBcB
— sK. (@_ShaneKinnee) December 1, 2018
BREAKING: #Michigan OT transfer and former Top247 OT James Hudson has committed to #Cincinnati with three years of eligibility. The Bearcats will purse a waiver.
Heres how it happened: https://t.co/erdi0uWEKx pic.twitter.com/PF2roehBcB
— sK. (@_ShaneKinnee) December 1, 2018
This is a guy that OSU recruited as an OL, he went to Michigan because they told him he would play DL and then immediately moved him to OL. That’s funny.
Yeah no surprise here, ex-teamate of Michael Warren who's going ham down there for Coach Fick
If 5* She Patterson got a waiver to go to tsun claiming he didn’t see what 99.9% of the world saw coming at Ole Miss, then it should work both ways and every player leaving tsun should get a waiver.
OT, Hudson went to the same high school I went to although many years apart. Shane Kinnee who posted the tweet is the son of one of my high school classmates.
This is a cut. They love Zach Charbonnet who will be a 5 star soon. While it may be funny they are getting rid of somebody as talented as him when they have pretty low rated kids he was never gonna make it to AA
Charbonnet is a stud. An absolute stud. He might be the answer at running back they’ve been seeking for a long time.
Seem like different kinds of backs, though, don't they, Spartan? Seems like both Higdon and Evans were tweeners. Gotta some mileage out of them, but I would like this combo more.
Yeah but Charbonnet is probably an every down back. Higdon Evans were different but Charbonnet is just better
More highlights of Jameson and Wilson from this weekend:
Cormonte Hamilton added to the US National Team. Both Teradja and Haskins have played in this game btw.
There is a thread about this but putting it in here incase you didn't see it. James Yoder a Michigan podcaster said Zach Harrison silent verbaled Michigan during the Wisconsin game and was gonna go public shortly after the season. However the beat down by the bucks embarrassed him and the thought of leaving Columbus only to get beat by OSU 4 straight years is making him rethink his commitment. I don't think this guy is reliable I watch his videos sometimes I think he is somebody who says things that makes sense, gives his prediction on it with a weird system(Harbaugh Heads) and doesn't really circle back to things. Hes talked about things like 5 star Clemson lean Quavarious Crouch coming to UM and Kliff KIngsbury taking over as OC with strong likelihoods.It sounds positive for the good guys though so this must be true.
There is definitely some validity to the Crouch comment. He is very high on UM. He even was at a Michigan watch party for when they played us this year lol.
Would seriously fly in the face of everything Zach and family have told Kurelic and Givler. So I'm calling horse shit with a side of fries. If Zach had made a decision he would not have made additional visits to Columbus before the beatdown. He's not the type to string along the staffs of each school like that. He's an extremely respectful kid who just has not made his mind up at all.
Nolan Smith 5 star DE from Georgia(IMG Academy) and #1 recruit visits Penn State and says it was best weekend of his life and James Franklin is a player's coach, while obviously its just a tweet he was hosted by Micah Parsons and tweeted at Noah Cain to follow him there. If they can grab Parsons and Cain it would be a great class for them. They currently are ranked 13th with just 17 commits. They are heavy favorites for Adissa Isaac #67 overall DE, and a couple other high 3star/4 stars in OG/OT Jakai Moore and DT Jarred Harrison Hunte
It’s ok it won’t be enough to save Franklin from the post mcsorley-magic slump.
Letting Justin Fields slip through their hands is going to kill them. They would be a top 5 team with him next year but instead they have Tommy Stevens
I think Fields is probably revisiting that move as well. I don't see him climbing above Fromm anytime soon, while Trevor Lawrence is starting in a playoff game.
Can't remember where I heard it but there was talk that Fields might overtake Fromm next season. It might have been Sean McDounaugh that said this when he was talking about some highly talented QB's that could be on the move.
That Stevens kid who is taking over for McSorely next season has not looked good in his limited playing time this season.
He reminds me of Taysom Hill.
The guy is a good recruiter, but it makes you wonder sometimes. As many guys that go there never amount to too much. At least in terms of college accomplishments.
Nolan Smith is supposed to visit OSU sometime soon. Hopefully that visit replaces his visit to Penn State as the best weekend of his life.
I'd bet money that his PSU visit will be great, but his OSU visit will be elite.
Well he did get to see their reaction to getting the nod to the Citrus Bowl, all he'll see in Columbus is Bowl Practice for some non-Citrus Bowl in Pasadena.
He cancelled his visit to Ohio State.
oh no. Is that confirmed?
idk if its confirmed, but alex gleitman said a penn state writer talked to smith and he said the only visit he had left was a visit to Georgia.
thanks Mike. While I never had any real hope of him ending up in Columbus, I'd really not like to see him in Happy Valley.
I have a better chance of winning the powerball then they have at getting Nolan Smith. Kid is not going north of the Mason Dixon unless it's the draft 3-4 years from now.
Not sure where else to put this, but Khalil Tate is "likely to transfer" from Arizona. Nothing against our Tate, but Khalil in an Urban Meyer offense would be absolutely insane.
Go Bucks, Deacs, Panthers, Braves
I think we have transitioned to the Ryan Day offense for what could be a long time
Is there anyone keeping track of all of the QBs that Kevin Sumlin has run out of town? By my count, I've got Kyle Allen, Kyler Murray, Kenny Hill, Tate Martell (didn't every play for A&M, but it was in reaction to Sumlin why he decommitted), and Khalil Tate.
He really road the coattails of Keenum and manziel. He wasn’t the head coach who recruited either of them. Inherited both of them. I remember at one point he was a potential head coach in the nfl. That’s how much of a star he was made out to be. He got pretty damn lucky and road it to the bank of 10s of millions of dollars.
Arizona, like Michigan, will always be a basketball school.
Things are about to get interesting.
Right before the early signing period too. Not great timing.
It is the right timing. It shouldn't be done after this class signs.
I think it had to be done this way. With all the rumors already circulating, Urban and OSU would look like liars to the recruits and that's a bad look. I rather have Day sell himself and the program and keep the recruits who really want in. 2019 isn't going to be our best recruiting class but its a new day (no pun intended) and the train will keep rolling.
Nothing stops this train except Purdue Pete.
Well at least it's out there finally and the kids that do sign know what to expect.
I am not so sure. In terms of OSU's interest it is bad timing but for the kids it is not bad timing. I wonder how this affects things right now. Battle is gone. One has to think how this affects the 2020 group as well. As that was looking to be a potentially historic class. Can they keep pushing for guys there?
What happens with many of the assistant coaches? Seems like trying to hold onto guys like LJ and others is critical at the moment. To help with recruiting and maintaining continuity. Not at all positions but at the core positions anyway.
They for sure need to dump some of the dead recruiting weight in some of the coaches that seem to be so-so position coaches anyway.
— Marcus Crowley (@marcus_2334) December 4, 2018
Well so far recruits I've seen tweets from are positive but in the interest of how many posts are anticipated for the news today I am starting the next part to this.