The Situational: Dominion

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Darksungm's picture

After watching the Paris Cambell vs. Metellus gif approximately all of the times I noticed he didn't just outrun him. He broke his spirit. Metellus goes into a give up trot after about 3 strides. That's even worse than being outrun.

Negativity is a choice.

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Zimmy07's picture

He probably knew what we know - as soon as Parris gets behind the defense like that no one’s catching him.

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MichiBuck12's picture

I almost feel bad for Metellus. I have two monitors on my desk at work and he is the background picture on both. On the left I have Mike Weber reaching pay dirt to seal last years game and on the right I have a picture of Campbells run. In both pictures Metellus is in the background failing to make the tackle.

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Darksungm's picture

When you change I suggest putting JT juking Jabrill Peppers in back to back Games on your monitors.

Negativity is a choice.

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Tree_Trunk's picture

Loved it again Ramsy, the whole revenge tour thing annoyed me for the exact reasons you pointed out.  This rivalry has become a sham not only because of our record against them, but its pretty clear we're the only team that treats it with the reverence it deserves.  Oh well, beating the shit of them will never stop being fun I guess.

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My Dad Is A Wolverine But I'm A Buckeye's picture

And I hope that we never stop treating it with that reverence. It is imperative to beat those arrogant mofos each and every year. That is the season. I hope that Urban has started game planning for them already. It is never a gimme game. I'm going to enjoy this win for a very long time, but after awhile, it will be time to get the next one. Buckeyes always gotta work for it. 

Number 1 rule in life: always beat That Team Up North. 

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The Braden's picture

Metellus is faster.

He quits faster.

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HowSheGoneEat's picture

I liked Situational best for this year

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My Dad Is A Wolverine But I'm A Buckeye's picture

How many Michigan players have said off-handed shit like that only for there to be a perfect instance of Ohio State players owning them in specific reference to that off-handed comment? I know Jordan Lewis comes to mind, Kyle Kalis, and now, I'll add Josh Metellus to the list

Number 1 rule in life: always beat That Team Up North. 

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gwalther's picture

Great stuff as usual, Ramzy.

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TkeBuck's picture

that btn revenge tour video with the music and the drone shot sneaking up over the shoe and into the stadium...fucking awesome. go bucks!!

klusewski

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TheButcher's picture

How did OSU lose 14 times these guys? 1700s?

Thebutcher IV

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TakeitToEm's picture

There was a time when the football was shaped like a Volleyball and you can play it using your feet and each school had different rules and field measurements . I believe it was President Roosevelt who was encouraging the change to what pretty much looks like what we have now.

"If you take it to em and you keep takin it to em , hell there's no question whose gonna win" W.W.H

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Buxki84's picture

You asked, so I had to look it up. 7 of the 14 wins came before World War II. 1927, 1929, 1930, 1931, 1936, 1940, 1941. The other years: 1943, 1948, 1958, 1962, 1963, 1971 and 2004. The one tie was in 1938 by a score of 0-0, in Evanston. Of those 14 wins, 8 were in Columbus and 6 were in Evanston. The last win by Northwestern in Columbus was in 1971, score 14-10. And as many will remember Northwestern's last win in the series was in Evanston in 2004, score 33-27.

I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.

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nitro27man's picture

Another wonderful piece, Ramsey!

Fans can say or do whatever they want, but as an institution and a football program Ohio State reveres and respects its rival.

Michigan reveres and respects Michigan. This strategy is not in the cards.

PERFECT!!

J. Scott

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SnGinWV's picture

at the time I wanted so badly for Urban to score that last touch down.  Hindsight... he didn't take a knee because he respects Jim, or even Michigan for that matter.  He took a knee because he respects the rivalry... 

besides … it's more embarrassing for a team to slowly die inside, while the seconds  mercifully tick away 

Life long fan of... The!

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cinserious's picture

That's how I know Urban is fully committed to returning to coach the Buckeyes again in 2019. If he was planning to retire, what better way to go out than to literrally piss on the dead body of Suxagain by going for that extra unnecessary TD (and then go for 2!!!)

One day I will valiantly become a political prisoner of 11W jail.

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BuckeyeSki's picture

2 Revenge 2 Tour slayed me Ramzy!

Starring Rashan Gary, Chase Winovich, and breakout female lead Karen Higdon 

Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe

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stpetebuck's picture

Great deals right now on those fly T-shirts 

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Little kids in Somalia over the next few years are going to be asking "what is a revenge tour?"

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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stpetebuck's picture

Ouch.  

Ive seen ncaa hoops  runner up t shirts in the Caribbean. So yep it happens. 

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Steelydan54's picture

Unfortunately (for them), they actually KNOW...

Steelybuck54

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BeatTTUN's picture

Still happy 

Go Buckeyes 

Beat Michigan 

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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JMeadows's picture

Thanks for clearing up the Times quote, Ramzy.  I wondered if there was context to it.  Then again, what do you expect from a paper whose average reader thinks that the Game is Lehigh-Lafayette.

Never place a bet on anything that can talk.

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Frimmel's picture

It would have been okay for you to link your own work in your comments about the Times interview. 

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/the-game-2017/2017/11...

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Very glad you added the exact two pics of Winovich pregame and Patterson halftime which, to me, sums up the Michgan Man.  I saw those in The Journey on BTN, and hoped others would recognize the attitude I've seen from Michigan Man over the decaces and how much those pictures are iconic: Disrespectful, undisciplined, delusional (they think its a good look,) and telling.  

I've never seen a program better at setting themselves up to look stupid in the future, more than Michigan. 

And the Harbaugh clips shown are perfect.  Who would interview Harbaugh and think "That's the image I want as the leader of our program"? He always comes off to me as a bumbling idiot.  Can he actually diagram a sentence or even know how to put one together on the fly in his mind?   He speaks in gibberish.  At least Mike Leach is entertaining and out there: Harbaugh is boring and gawd only knows what goes on between his ears.  He seems a million miles away.  

But, thinking about it, Harbaugh is the perfect Michigan Man; a genius and style setter in his own mind, and the world revolves 12" around his skull and Ann Arbor.  

Good luck with all that.  

Barney Fife lives, and he lives amongst us.

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NoVAsmitty's picture

And contrast those photos of Winovich and Patterson with the photo of Johnnie Dixon. Ramzy, I’m sure that was intentional and sums everything up. 

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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ChicagoBuckMD's picture

Yup, that juxtaposition says everything. The men who were told they were Victors from day 1, and the guy who came to grind. Guess who wins that one?

"Why be around average?" - UFM

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Weave77's picture

Once again, great article.

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Evansvillebuckeye's picture

Great read...see you in Indy, indeed!!

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Hovenaut's picture

My son is 8. He knew enough from my instruction to cry "Go Buckeyes" as a toddler and "Michigan Sucks" within the past year or so (much to the wife's chagrin).

He knows who the rival is.

Maybe one day he'll have an 11W account (with a user name unaffiliated with mine, hopefully). Maybe he'll find the archives, past Situationals, and this fine entry.

Then maybe he'll not only know the rivalry, but also why.

Like this season's Buckeyes, thanks for saving the best for last.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Man, what took so long? My 4 kids and 3 grandkids could all say "Go Bucks, Michigan sucks" by age 3.

Barney Fife lives, and he lives amongst us.

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RBurgundy4's picture

Trees and apples, Hove. I'll be keeping an eye out for Junior in a few years. Please promise you'll go back to Redd when it happens. That'd be too much much fun.

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Hovenaut's picture

Fred G. Sanford.

The 'g' stands for guaranteed, good sir.

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dwcbuckeye's picture

The Metellus is about the slowest player I have ever seen.  Must be hurt

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

The refs made him run slow.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Harbaugh confused intentions with intensity

If that doesn't scream "Pure Michigan" I don't know what does.

Shandy is not beer

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c11058's picture

One of your best, Ramzy!    

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Steelydan54's picture

The Wolverines carry the burden of being a rivalry game for every team they face...  as do the Buckeyes. It's why we get Everyone's Best Game Possible and occasionally (annually) get our asses handed to us by an upstart pretender, who goes on to lose the following week. It seems as though the Buckeyes haven't figured out how to prepare for that onslaught of emotion and seem surprised at its intensity, responding appropriately AFTER halftime (except for once annually).  If there's a weak link in Urbans strategy of "facing Rivals" it is that, in a way, they're ALL Rivals; they all stand between us and the National Championship/playoffs. It seems that Little Nicky Saban does understand and prepares for everybody's best, every week. Just. Do. Your. Job. And the winning takes care of itself. 

I hope we Never "want to be Michigan", except to replace them at the top of the series win statistic. I'm sure that's what you meant to say... but I agree that the "Michigan Man" is more concerned about his Image than about Results; May it ever be so. 

Steelybuck54

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12egulator's picture

Ramzy, you deserve a Pulitzer for this! Teared up seeing the picture of Johnny tearing up. Teared up reading the text exchange between Tress and Jonathan Wells. 

Go Bucks! Beat Blue! 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Ohio State is flawed as hell but it tenderizes everyone it plays for the next opponent.

Eagerly looking forward to another Bowl loss from TTUN

Shandy is not beer

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I think they’ll end up playing the loser of the SEC CCG. Was really hoping they’d draw LSU, so Joe Burrow could get another pair of gold pants. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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NHBuckeye's picture

Has Harbaugh ever Not had that dazed and confused look on his face?    

Fields of Dreams

 

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Poco Loco's picture

Metellus chasing Campbell reminds me of Peepers chasing JT. As they say, "speed kills". A great article Ramzy.

a hard rock miner from Butte, Montana

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Zimmy07's picture

Parris has ludicrous speed.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Campbell went plaid on that play

Shandy is not beer

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Buck68's picture

about halfway through my first read of your piece, Ramzy, i burst out laughing... at the thought of some wise fan posting "TL;DR".

And who of ordinary body and common sense, would 'go postal' over the little clan of fecundity managers who 'drop by' from time to  time?

Back to reading your article... from time to time.  I'll look for different and more, each time, and i strongly suspect i will not be 'disappointed'.

For "Time & Change will surely show...."

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Bob, I understood your post! Skrong! Goodbuck.

Barney Fife lives, and he lives amongst us.

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Buck68's picture

HI... O..., Goodbuck.  ;-{)}

...sorry.  I'll keep trying.  /s  

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

Phenomenal. Thank you!

The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick

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tcm1968's picture

I feel greedy saying it... I get there have been some close calls but man this should be 15 in a row. That last drive in 2011 still haunts me. Fickell calls a timeout for no reason, and then tells Braxton to spike the ball on 3rd and like 6 and leaves us with one play to extend the drive and make the first down... Not to mention if Braxton just waits a beat on one of the throws Philly Brown was going to be open for a TD behind their defense and Braxton rushed the throw... and none of that tops Devier Posey stop and go move that left the DB a good 5 yards behind him that would have been an easy TD with just a decent throw.... uggggggg.... was there for the taking.... 

Moving forward we are going to need someone to step up big time.. Dixon, Campbell and McLaurin WAY MORE SPEED then Victor, Mack and Olave. 

Go Bucks!

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STU10's picture

My friend, our then Freshman 'QB', well, more RB at that time Mr. Miller missed (ie. did not see wide open WR's) or simply overthrew SEVERAL sure-fire TD's in that 2011 game!!

I know a HS coach who had connections to OSU's staff at that time, he said OSU staff was literally SICK to their stomachs after watching film post-game -- how many blown opportunities young Braxton had one way or another -- OSU should have put 60+ points  on them that year also...never should have lost that game... 

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SpaceCoast's picture

It's a bad century to be a weasel.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Millenium!

Barney Fife lives, and he lives amongst us.

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SilverHaven's picture

New rivalry insights. Mahalo, Ramzy.

(The Tressel quote is missing "most" in front of especially.)

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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andretolstoy's picture

Nice piece. 

Watched the 2001 YouTube of TheOhioState making Tress a prophet. Question. Can Meyer get a Fullback? Like Jamar Martin? Just so as to have one on the team? Please? 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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ScarletGray43157's picture

Guys like Jamar Martin don't come along every day. He was the protypical FB. Gun show whenever he came out for the coin toss, then a rolling ball of mayhem until the final gun.

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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andretolstoy's picture

Yeah. Just a random thought on the FB. Meyer's offense doesn't use a FB. Maybe on goal line situations or for first downs or something. I know he used Zach Boren as FB or something his senior year.  

Here's another random reflection. Chase Winovich and Coach Tom Allen tie for the most obnoxious faces in the BIG. I can't stop Googling them... 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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thatzuhYikes's picture

I don't have CS on this computer, so I need someone to add a door to the revenge tour and have Brutus coming out with the wolverine head on the ground

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Crumb's picture

Ohio State reveres and respects its rival.

Michigan reveres and respects Michigan. This strategy is not in the cards.

Maybe one of the two biggest difference making mentalities in this rivalry, this century. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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BBQ_Fan's picture

I'm still laughing about "Truck Stop Fabio"

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ScarletGray43157's picture

Reading Ramzy is kind of like reading Hemmingway.

But better.

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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MaineStrength's picture

As a 30-something UM fan that grew up in the Cooper-Moellar/Carr era it’s hard to accept the state of the rivalry.  UM fans keep reaching for answers as to why The Game has turned the way it has, so I can’t resist replying despite my better judgement.  The reality is there are lots of factors, but I’ll see if I can shed a different perspective, from an honest, yet frustrated, UM fan to the thread.

11. As an institution and a football program Ohio State reveres and respects its rival.  Michigan reveres and respects Michigan.

To some degree this is true.  UM tends to focus on past glory, history, and loves it’s tradition.  But, do we know UM doesn’t do that stuff that OSU does too? UM keeps things quiet much more so than Meyer and JH does not tell the media much.

10. The Wolverines carry the burden of being a rivalry game for every team they face.   

This is frustratingly true, but it’s not their fault.  They have too many rivals. Playing ND is a challenge many years.  MSU has become a thorn in our side since Rich Rod, but I think that’s subsiding.  But, we often get most teams best performance all year. Does OSU not get the same?

9. Meyer speaks of the best all of the time.

I’m not sure I totally get the point here, but I think it’s about a focus on the future vs the past.  Although JH loves tradition he’s all about the future. He guarantees no results, but always talks about getting 1% better today than yesterday and stacking that over time is what will get results.  He’s very process oriented.

8. Both Woodson and Harbaugh openly treat the current condition of Michigan's rivalry game performance as an awkward and unfortunate blip rather than two decades of normalcy.

On Woodson, he beat OSU all 3 of his years as a Wolverine, so that’s expected.  On JH, he gave coach speak in his interviews and he always will, not because he doesn’t want to win but because he knows he can’t control that.  He focuses on what he can control, preparation in practice, getting better each day, and seeing what happens...very Nick Saban “the process”-esque.

7. Michigan's Revenge Tour ventured out of state only once, last Saturday. That's not much of a tour.

You’re right technicality, but the essence of the revenge tour was less about travel and more about beating the teams that beat them last year, so for that it was mostly successful.  It was a team captain trying to motivate his teammates. I think that’s a positive.

6. The Revenge Tour was the starkest contrast yet to showing the most incredible amount of respect you can show for a rivalry and Michigan in the throes of struggling to justify its program vanity.

I think JH gave Winovich the freedom to run with his motivational tactic.  IMO he earned that right as a captain. But, this point speaks more to the fact that OSU does lots of stuff to get ready for the game year round and implies UM doesn’t.  Is that true? I actually don’t know. Hoke used to and was much more open about what he did. He had the countdown clock too. But, JH doesn’t like to be open to the public about what he’s doing, just like injuries, depth charts, etc., that’s just his style.

4. The Wolverines' strategy took the Buckeyes' extremely vulnerable and leaning IKEA furniture back seven and graciously reduced it to four.

Totally agree with this point and it’s something UM fans have questioned through multiple o-coordinators and are coming to accept it’s a JH thing.  He views the passing game as a way to keep his opponents honest so he can run the ball. He should be using the passing game as more of a base of the offense.  OSU’s weakness is the back half. UM should have spread them out and thrown it around, gotten the ball to the perimeter to shiftier players like Evans, DPJ, etc, and thrown downfield to the bigger targets like Collins & Black.  Instead they ran into the heart of the d-line and when they did get the ball to the perimeter it was more often than not to TEs that don’t get upfield quickly. This was a tactical mistake in game planning and is something JH has to answer to.  

3.“Michigan does not want to be Ohio State because Michigan wants to be Michigan and still beat Ohio State.”

I’m not sure if it’s true or not, Michigan thinks of itself as a better academic school than OSU, a more tradition rich program than OSU, and of higher moral character than OSU.  So, they are unwilling to sell their soul so to speak in order to win games. They look down on Tressel for Tatgate and on Meyer for whatever happened with Smith and his lack of discipline of star players.  They criticize OSU fan’s for being rude and unwelcoming. Right or wrong, they assume OSU is morally and academically inferior and they would rather lose to them than be like them

Ultimately IMHO the rivalry was still good all through Carr’s years, despite losing to Tressel often during the second half of his tenure.  However, UM has had a track record of poor offensive play calling and strategy for some time. But, the real challenges started with Rich Rod.  There was nothing wrong with his offensive system, but he just didn’t understand UM and his defenses were terrible. It would have been interesting to match up Rich Rod’s offense with Brown’s defense if that could ever be.  Hoke was never cut out do handle the job of a head coach at a blue blood program. That hire was a Dave Brandon problem, who was another problem for UM. Three coaching changes was a lot to endure. This caused setbacks in recruiting, changes in styles of play, and depth remains a problem that they are just now getting out of.  

Some of the problems are recruiting.  OSU has been a recruiting juggernaut for quite a while through multiple coaches.  UM kept suit during the Carr era and did for a few years of the Hoke era, but did not during the RR era, and has for 3 of the 4 years of the JH era.  But, even when it is holding suit it’s landing a top 6-8 class with OSU landing a top 3-4 class. OSU has simply been more talented for a while. From my perspective OSU didn’t play up to it’s abilities all season.  When it finally got up for a game, it’s talent showed up and outshined UM. I think if UM addresses it’s offensive play calling and continues to recruit the way it has in 3 of the 4 years of JH the rivalry will get back to a semblance of normal.  However, due to a number of factors like less in-state talent, UM will probably never see Cooper era success again.

Finally, some of the problems are cultural.  We are a bit stuck in the awe of Bo. JH loves and wants to be Bo.  He’s stubborn. He wants to run the ball. He wants to be tough, etc.  This causes UM to live in the past to some degree and has trouble adjusting to the current game where teams play more spread.  

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

If you want fair and balanced, you've come to the wrong place. And quite honestly, not many here give a shit about the UM perspective. We all know that fans demonize their rivals and only see the good in their program. That's nothing new. In fact, that's what makes being a fan so fun.
When it comes to my work and voting, I try to see all sides. As a Buckeye fan? Not in the least.

Barney Fife lives, and he lives amongst us.

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MaineStrength's picture

not many here give a shit about the UM perspective. 

I'm sure there are some that share your sentiment, but I know there are plenty that do not.  I personally enjoy hearing other fans perspective.

When it comes to my work and voting, I try to see all sides. As a Buckeye fan? Not in the least.

Unfortunately that sort of tribalism is what leads to blindly supporting a program, coach, or player(s) in spite of really bad choices.  This trend is becoming increasingly more common and unfortunate.  If you can't put being a human being ahead of your fandom I feel sorry for you.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Ha! Blindly supporting your team? Duh, that's what we all do.
Takes a Michigan Man to feel sorry for me. Kind of like Winovich before The Game, feeling superior and knowing that Michigan was going to get revenge! What the fuck does hating Michigan have to do with being a human being?
I think you have blindly followed Michigan despite horrendous choices like Dave Brannon, Brady Hoke, Rich Rod and Jim Harbaugh.
I don't feel sorry for you though, I revel in seeing my team kick your team's ass every year.

Barney Fife lives, and he lives amongst us.

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MaineStrength's picture

Takes a Michigan Man to feel sorry for me. Kind of like Winovich before The Game, feeling superior and knowing that 

I feel sorry for you if you are unable to consider things beyond the scope of the team you root for.  Here's an example.  I like Spielman because he's a high character guy and a good person.  I also do not like Frank Clark because he's not a good person even though he's a good player.  Being a UM fan does not prevent me from liking Spielman nor require me to root for Clark just because he's a good player.  I am able to make judgement beyond the team I root for.  If you are not I feel sorry for you.  

I think you have blindly followed Michigan despite horrendous choices like Dave Brannon, Brady Hoke, Rich Rod and Jim Harbaugh.

I am not a Rich Rod fan.  I am not a fan of Dave Brandon.  I think Hoke meant well, but I think he made a lot of mistakes.  I like JH, but he's made some tactical mistakes, a number of which I've mentioned in my first post.  I think this is fairly typical of most UM fans I talk to.  I am not blindly supporting those guys just because they represent UM.  I support them when they do positive things and criticize them when it's valid to do so.

I revel in seeing my team kick your team's ass every year.

Again it's not my team.  I don't play for them or work for them.  I just root for them.  It doesn't make you any better at anything for rooting for the team that won or me any worse for rooting for the team that lost.  OSU's win is not yours and UM's loss is not mine.  It had nothing to do with us and we had zero impact on the game.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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BuckZealot's picture

Geez, go away, what a buzzkill you are.

Enjoy the wins over *ichigan, ....I still remember the dark days of the 1990's....

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Chic'sGhost's picture

I give up.  Your Michigan Man logic has blown me away.  

Barney Fife lives, and he lives amongst us.

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MaineStrength's picture

This discussion has helped me to realize everything OSU and their fans do is great so long as they win games.  Everything UM and their fans do is wrong.  And, you are better than me because you chose to root for the team that won.  Thanks for clearing that up.  Sheesh :/

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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countrybuckeye's picture

and, for your health and confidence, I have restrained myself .. so far 

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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Chic'sGhost's picture

I knew you'd see the light.

Barney Fife lives, and he lives amongst us.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

So this paragraph you wrote synthesizes a major problem your program has for the people that believe it to be true, hubris:

“ I’m not sure if it’s true or not, Michigan thinks of itself as a better academic school than OSU, a more tradition rich program than OSU, and of higher moral character than OSU.  So, they are unwilling to sell their soul so to speak in order to win games. They look down on Tressel for Tatgate and on Meyer for whatever happened with Smith and his lack of discipline of star players.  They criticize OSU fan’s for being rude and unwelcoming. Right or wrong, they assume OSU is morally and academically inferior and they would rather lose to them than be like them.”

As Lloyd Carr would say, “Well...........” first of all the take is not “right or wrong”, it’s wrong. As to “They would rather lose to them than be like them” - are you shitting me with that garbage? That’s just more excuses for not being able to deliver excellence in the way that Tressel and Meyer have been able to deliver.

When I saw Warriner on the sideline with the play calling sheet I knew we might be in for a good afternoon and it soon became evident that the hubris of the Harbaugh staff was going to do them in on the offensive side of the ball. Yes, let’s run the ball up the middle, even though that plays to Ohio States strength because we have such a well coached O line and we are morally superior. We are Michigan, we are better, we don’t need to change a thing for this game since it has worked all season.

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MaineStrength's picture

So this paragraph you wrote synthesizes a major problem your program has for the people that believe it to be true, hubris:

I think this exemplifies an idea that gets lost in being a sports fan.  It's not my program.  I am not on the team.  I just chose to be a fan.  Anyone can be a fan of any team.  It's not personal.  We could all switch to liking any other team any time we wish.  That doesn't change anything.

When I saw Warriner on the sideline with the play calling sheet I knew we might be in for a good afternoon

I think many of us thought the same thing, but as UM fans were concerned.

let’s run the ball up the middle, even though that plays to Ohio States strength because we have such a well coached O line and we are morally superior. 

Hard to say for sure what JH was thinking because he won't openly answer any questions like that so we never quite know.  But, I'd have to believe he thought he could win that way.  I doubt morals had anything to do with it however. Looking back, it's pretty obvious he and the offensive coaches made a tactical mistake on the game plan.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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andretolstoy's picture

Why exactly is the University of Michigan (school and program) morally superior to The Ohio State University (school and program)?

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Because they say it! You know how many legs an elephant has if you call its trunk a leg? 4 because calling it a leg doesnt make it one.
You know how superior a Michigan Man is when he says he's superior?
They never get old.

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MaineStrength's picture

As I mentioned in my post I think it's because of Tatgate & Meyer's dealings with ZS and his track record of preferential treatment of start players and lack of disciplining them.  FWIW I'm not saying I agree with this, but this is just what I think is the general consensus amongst many UM fans.

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andretolstoy's picture

I see. Because both Tressel's dealing with tattoos for jerseys and Meyer's actually following the rules gave The Ohio State an unfair advantage. 

But then again, about 2/3 of Ann Arbor believes that Meyer paid off the refs in 2016. 

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script-ohio's picture

First of all, I upvoted your post because I'd rather have a rivalry where fans of each team can express their opinions on whatever board they feel like without shit-talking commencing.

But second, "I’m not sure if it’s true or not, Michigan thinks of itself as a better academic school than OSU, a more tradition rich program than OSU, and of higher moral character than OSU.  So, they are unwilling to sell their soul so to speak in order to win games. They look down on Tressel for Tatgate and on Meyer for whatever happened with Smith and his lack of discipline of star players.  They criticize OSU fan’s for being rude and unwelcoming. Right or wrong, they assume OSU is morally and academically inferior and they would rather lose to them than be like them."

...is obnoxious and where Michigan fans sound like idiots a lot of the time.  I go up to MGoBlog or whatever from time to time and the posts just drip with condescension and fact-free nonsense like that, O$U, talking about Urban paying players, laughing and being glad that Knox got hurt near the end of the game there.  Basically, trash behavior.

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andretolstoy's picture

I'll double-down on this Script. Along with their arrogant folly, I can't get over the fact that they never support the BIG in the sense of voting for other BIG players for awards with a scope outside the league. The progressive, elitist mess that is the University of Michigan, in the long run, ends up being a form of self-loathing and essentially eating their own

This is why they can't sit at the big boy table and partake in the gravy. 

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MaineStrength's picture

I upvoted your post because I'd rather have a rivalry where fans of each team can express their opinions on whatever board they feel like without shit-talking commencing.

Thank you for the welcome.  I appreciate it.

is obnoxious and where Michigan fans sound like idiots a lot of the time.  I go up to MGoBlog or whatever from time to time and the posts just drip with condescension and fact-free nonsense like that, O$U, talking about Urban paying players, laughing and being glad that Knox got hurt near the end of the game there.  Basically, trash behavior.

I agree with much of what you said.  I want to clarify that my comment is what I believe most UM fans represent.  That is not my personal opinion.  One thing you might see at Mgoblog is people constantly correcting your grammar or punctuation even if they know what you meant.  I find that being stuck up.  However, when comparing the two I see more inflammatory slogans about UM like scUM, Meatchicken, etc. than I do about OSU.  There are bad fans in all fanbases and you see some bad behavior everywhere.  But, more often than not I find Mgobloggers downvote people for saying negative things about kids from OSU that get hurt or recruits choosing OSU over UM.  I find them to be fairly good natured about that stuff.  But, I do get the impression that they assume the worst with Meyer.  Personally, I don't how many facts are out there, but Urban comes off as being disingenuous about things like the technicality of lying at B1G media days and the stuff about the cell phone messages.  Even if he's not blatantly doing something wrong he seems unwilling to come out with the whole truth up front, so they probably assume the worst, right or wrong.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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'creek Pride's picture

That Parris Campbell TD run is so money.  I love the peace sign in the end zone.  Like he had to throw the flaps out to slow himself down.

Phish Rules

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Das Hufeisen's picture

"Tenderize" - that's the word I've been grasping for to describe our opponent's week-after performances and why they do so poorly.

AKA the Horseshoe, the Shoe, and the House That Harley Built

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Buck68's picture

well worth the search, Das Hufeisen. ..to feed the useful attitude. 

Reminds me to 'keep searching' for distinctions...

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script-ohio's picture

Conceptually I don't think the "Revenge Tour" was really all that bad of an idea.  It's season-long motivation, a goal, and an identity.  It's fine.  But Higdon saying of Ohio State "They're just another name in our way", and similar comments that I heard out of Patterson and Harbaugh, to me, is the wrong approach.  I think there's something to the Urban approach of putting a huge focus on your rival and I hope Michigan continues to not do that.  I have a feeling after this year though, they're going to emphasize Ohio State more going forward.  This had a very "final straw" feel to it.

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Buck68's picture

DEPARTMENT OF 'UPON FURTHER REVIEW'

Office of Scratching the Surface.

Read Ramzy's article again, this time with its span of Buckeye perspectives over time and change.

But what came first?  Just a title?

DOMINION. 

What an amazing Word - a window into the original relationship between mankind and the world.

Thanks, Ramzy, for pointing... setting an ordained marker first, for whosoever chooses to seek its meaning.  

And here, Ramzy did not neglect offering everyone many worlds of words to consider, without imposing on anyone. 

Stranger Danger than Stranger....

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Just noticed Hoke with a bucket of KFC in his lap. Now that is some morally superior humor my man.

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jrgdds's picture

Hoke with a leather helmet eating KFC, also Jimmy with the Anger Management book; Mike Hart with a letter of guarantee dated 04; Shembechler with the block "O", and his  Gold Pants; Llllllloyd Carr with the 1997 1/2 champions trophy 7 "L"s on his sleeve with a Laverne and Shirly "L" on his chest; And Dick Rod just hanging out

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

You are creating some great stuff with these meme's - just need to get them earlier in the threads to get the votes. Are you the OSU version of LSUFreek?

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jrgdds's picture

Thanks!

I don't know about being the OSU version of LSU Freek, that, but I've been Photoshoping on Bucknuts for years

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oztintacius's picture

Looking at that clip, Metellus is barely faster than Rashod Berry.

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