Nope. ND is a lock at 3 unless Bama or Clemson lose, in which case they move up. Irish are in.
ESPN wants their properties (SEC, ACC) in. Look for Bama (SEC) Clemson (ACC) ND (kinda ACC) and Georgia (SEC) to make it. They will make up a narrative to make it happen.
They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.
1) GA is only in if they beat Bama
2) Other then Bama, ESPN would love nothing more than OSU in the playoff.
3) ND is not “kind of” ACC in football in any way.
Notre Dame has an agreement to play five ACC games every year, so yeah, they kind of are ACC. They should have to play Clemson next week for the championship.
And that's the thing. They don't play a full conference schedule and not give them an easier route by not having to play a championship game. Notre Dame's status should be revisited; unless they join a conference, their route to the championship should be harder, not easier.
I bleed scarlet...literally
1. If it's a close game they will try to find a way.
2. That's why every ESPN personality trashes OSU.
3. ND has an agreement to play 5 ACC games per year and is a full member in every sport but football.
1. If it's a close game they will try to find a way.
ESPN does not pick the teams in the CFP. And no, a two loss GA team will NOT get in over a 1 loss league champion.
2. That's why every ESPN personality trashes OSU
Thats patently false, and wreaks of selective reasoning and confirmation bias. Did you watch any TV yesterday? Or read anything on the website? There was zero trashing of OSU. And no, picking UM to win is NOT “trashing” OSU.
3. ND has an agreement to play 5 ACC games per year and is a full member in every sport but football.
Their football TV contract is with NBC. And according to the ESPN hates us club, thats why they love the SEC. So, why would they love ND, whom they have no financial interest in, and not the B1G, whom they pay MORE money to than any other league over the next 6 years?
Why are you adding logic and sound reasoning on the comment 11W blogs? It just doesn’t seem right!
"Indecision may (or may not) be my downfall."
Cincy so obviously works for that shit organization that he feels the need to defend at all times.
He neglects that Herbstreit himself said that Georgia deserves to get in if they have a close loss to Alabama.
No, I so obviously work for a company called Logic, a company that you, and many others, couldn’t get past the first interview.
And who gives a shit what he said(which was likely misconstrued). It has no relevance at all to this discussion.
I watched gameday, and yes they trashed OSU.
Never forget how we got screwed in 98
No, they didn’t. Unless you were looking for something to be mad about. Legit criticism isn’t the same thing as “trashing”. Some people around these parts can’t separate the two.
Demonstrably wrong, as usual. ESPN was paid $2 Billion to promote and televise the SEC. That includes badmouth and setting up games to make them look good. (MOD EDIT: NO POLITICS!!!)
Hey DilliBoy, do a little better research next time. It is 100% factual that ESPN pays us more money, per year, over the next 6 years than they do the SEC...and for only HALF the rights. Look it up, but you probably won’t because like most conspiracy theorists you don’t like facts that pick apart your logical fallacies.
Cincy you have pointed that fact out many times, and it is a fact that ESPN pays more for rights to broadcast Big Ten games than ESPN pays to broadcast SEC games (on its branded networks). However, you are also a bit deceptive in only pointing out one of the facts. You always neglect to point out that ESPN owns 100% of the SEC Network, invested approximately $2 billion in the SEC Network, and earns approximately $450 million annually in SEC Network subscriber revenues. Whether all of the facts result in bias in favor of or against certain conferences is for others to argue over, but they all should be taken into account in that argument.
WRT the OP’s question, IMO scUM has a better chance at getting in than the Buckeyes have to jump ND.
“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman
However, you are also a bit deceptive in only pointing out one of the facts. You always neglect to point out that ESPN owns 100% of the SEC Network, invested approximately $2 billion in the SEC Network, and earns approximately $450 million annually in SEC Network subscriber revenues.
I haven't ignored this at all, I don't bring it up because 1) everyone knows ESPN owns the SEC Network and 2) Owning the network is separate from the their TV contracts with the various leagues. The SEC Network, much like the B1G Network, cater/market to a specific fanbase. Unlike games on their flagship channels, games on the SEC Network, or the B1G Network, are mainly meant for fans of those teams/conferences...not the casual fan. A fan of team playing on one of the Network channels will tune in regardless of how the conference is perceived on a national stage. Those who believe ESPN hates OSU jump up and down pointing to TV contracts as their reasoning for SEC bias and proof they hate OSU, yet completely ignore the fact they also have a huge contract with the B1G, for only HALF the rights. You don't pay that much money for something only to shit on your investment thus crippling your potential ROI.
Now, I do agree that it does present a bit of a conflict of interest. And if we still had the old systems(Bowl Alliance and to an extent the BCS) where the polls decided the champions, I would be more in line with others in thinking ESPN "could" have some influence. But with the current setup, all ESPN wants are eyeballs watching the games, even if that meant the SEC not getting a team in because they will still make gobs of money from TV ratings AND they will still have the SEC Network generating more cash flow.
Just as many do not fully understand the ownership of and revenue flow of BTN, I doubt that everyone fully understands the same about the SEC Network. Nonetheless, what network broadcasts the CFP games? If two Big Ten teams were in the CFP, would the SEC Network, and by extension ESPN, benefit more from a subscriber and advertiser standpoint or would Fox Sports?
With that said, I agree with you that the ESPN execs in Bristol, CT and their Disney bosses in LA could care less about which conferences are represented in the CFP. However, where we disagree (I think) is that the ESPN/SEC Network talking heads that appear on the ESPN flagship networks and the SEC Network (the Finebaums, McGees, Zarzours, McElroys, Sallees, Burns, Smiths, etc.), most of whom are also graduates of SEC schools, do push, let's call it favoritism, in the direction of the SEC schools. And I now included Herbstreit in that mix.
But it's not a bias against the Big Ten or tOSU. Rather, it's a bias in favor of the SEC.
Back to Herbie. I was ok with his prediction on College Gameday this Saturday. He was like 95% or more of the so-called "experts" who picked scUM over tOSU (and remember, despite his alleged expertise, he picked PSU to win the Big Ten this year). On the way to the office this morning I listened to him on SXM's First Team (hosted by SEC Network hacks, Zarsour and McElroy) during a commercial break on BTN radio. Herbstreit was pushing two nonsensical views, IMO, that negatively impacted tOSU. First, in comparing tOSU and OU, Herbie asks "which tOSU defense will show up in the CFP? The one we saw last Saturday or the one we saw against MD, Purdue, Indiana, Minnesota, etc?" He neglected to say we know which OU defense will show up in the CFP - the one that gave up 40 to Kansas and well over 40 in just about every game it's played this season, except against Army (simply because Army dominated TOP against that OU defense.) But it's the second point he tried to make that got me yelling at my radio and showed how even Herbie has gone over to the dark side in favor of the SEC. He actually tried to say that if UGA loses a close game to Bama that UGA would deserve the 4 spot even though it would have two losses and no conference championship. He didn't even have to defend this outrageous take. Zarsour and McElroy could only say "a lot of people would be upset with that" but neither called him out on that position or argued against it. That's how ESPN personalities start the biased narrative in favor of the SEC. And another talking head will repeat this and so on and so forth until it takes on a life of its own.
Those scumsuckers (ND) do not belong in the playoffs until the are in a league and have the opportunity to play for a league championship. Why should the other teams have to play a championship game, which is usually tough, but not ND. Throw them out until!
ND already beat Northwestern and Pitt, which are two of the CCG teams. They played teams from four of the Power a Five conferences. They can't afford to lose a regular season game like OSU, OU, & UGA have. They actually get penalized for not being in a conference more than they are rewarded.
This is such a terrible argument. ND has only gone undefeated in the regular season four times since 1970. They won National Championships two of them.
And all those teams joined conferences for money reasons, not to make the CFP more challenging. They could just as easily be independents, and avoid the 13th game.
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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott
Having a TV contract with NBC and agreeing to play 5 ACC football games (https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/nc-state/state-now/artic...) are not mutually exclusive.
Except when people claim ESPN, in addition to the SEC, now also loves them some ACC and use that logic to say that since ND plays five ACC games that they are considered an ACC school and thus a recipient of ESPN’s “love”. Only, ESPN makes no money of ND, because of said tv contract with NBC. The fact they play five ACC games is irrelevant in football.
The only thing I disagree with is the idea that ESPN has no impact on the direction or approach of the CFP. The results are released on ESPN, that the CFP has contractual agreements lined up with ESPN to exclusively reveal the rankings on a certain network has to create some conflicts of interest, right?
Using that logic, ESPN must also control the outcome of all games they broadcast.
Do you also believe that CBS controls who gets into the NCAA Basketball Tournament?
Just because you have TV rights to something doesn’t mean you control the outcomes.
No, that would be logically absurd. We're talking about a show that releases rankings of teams. That show is the exclusive methodology of dissemination of said rankings, which determine who gets to play for a national championship. Considering that narratives are one of the central defining factors in distinguishing between teams, I do not think it is conspiratorial to ask if there is a conflict between one sports network having the rights to said program while also having relationships with other conferences where the value of those relationships could be impacted by the results of the program that they host. It's not like FS1 gets to also reveal the rankings at the same time as ESPN. I mean, they market that exclusivity rather firmly. Saying that there is a conflict does not mean that someone is saying that "the fix is in" or anything like that.
It's not that ESPN hates Ohio state, is that they more happily and gladly promote the SEC. They do not go after the SEC teams with the same fervor as they go after every other team. For instance, when Mississippi had all those violations it was pretty much a one-day thing on ESPN. But when something happens to Ohio State or USC or Oklahoma it becomes a season-long event.
ssshhh. Cincy works for Logic. You might upset him. Interesting that he only works for Logic when ESPN is mentioned on the boards. Talk about bias.
SaintStephen with more deflection. Sorry you can't handle logic that obliterates your conspiracies.
I just looked at his profile. He does work for ESPN. No wonder the constant need to defend. Still one that works there should still be able to be objective about their own company. One who defends every slight is extremely biased. Must be a SJW.
No sense in debating anymore. No amount of logic or reason is going to convince someone like otherwise.
I just looked at his profile. He does work for ESPN.
Haha, you conspiracy theorists just love you some deflection game don’t ya?
Must be a SJW
There it is. Only mouth breathers with double digit IQs use politics as an insult, especially when they bring it into a sports discussion
Also, what “logic” are you using? It’s cute how you try and twist reality. Emotional, faux rage doe not equal logic.
I think Notre Dame is kind of ACC Lite.
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
Notre Dame has a lifetime contract with NBC, they are not "ACC" ESPN Property
The lifetime contract is only for football.
Exactly, and what sport are we talking about?
I forgot NBC even covered college football. Huh... Must be junk football.
Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.
I apparently thought what I had to say was so important, I posted it twice. I hope y'all liked it as much as I did.
I think ESPN antagonizes OSU because they know it helps their ratings. We have a fair segment of our fanbase who hate watches everything ESPN puts out.
I also think ESPN would LOVE to have us in the playoffs. Bama - OSU / ND - Clemson would be their dream, they can cater to the SEC/ACC while also having two of the highest profile / ratings draws as opposition. Bama-OSU / Saban-Urban promos write themselves.
Everything they have been saying on ESPN has us in the 4 spot. With a higher probability of making it than Oklahoma. This win changed everything honestly. Either way, we make it? Sweet. We don't...we get the Rose Bowl. One thing is for sure...we straight pantsed that team.
No way a 2 loss UGA gets in over 1 loss conference champ OK who avenged their only loss on the season.
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
You do know ESPN and the selection committee are not the same thing right? You know ESPN doesn't actually pick the playoff spots, right? Or are facts something you aren't interested in?
So far the selection committe has been in lock-step with public opinion and the major polls when it comes to picking teams. They have yet to show that they look at criteria other than fewest losses and then public opinion.
Did you forget about last year? there were a lot of talking heads on ESPN who were pegging OSU to get in because they won the BIG and Bama did not. Sure many thought Bama was more deserving but they also said that OSU should likely be the #4 team last year. While not openly advocating for Bama they were not advocating against OSU either last year. They were hedging their bets.
and as mentioned, ESPN does not have anyone in the room picking the teams. It is the committee.
No, Georgia will not get in if they lose to Alabama.
No, OSU will not jump ahead of Notre Dame.
Maybe if this is a straight up "who's the best team", yes, I think OSU is better than Notre Dame. But, as we all know, it's usually most deserving...it's all about that resume. Mostly. The best team distinguishes between very similar resumes. And perhaps, the most important factor of resume is how many losses. Notre Dame has 0, and they deserve credit for that, even if they deserve flack for not playing in a conference title game like Bama/Clemson/UGA/OSU/OU are this weekend. The committee has made that very clear the last two years, choosing OSU over PSU two years ago and Bama over OSU last year.
Class of 2010.
Why? They will not be Conference Champions...should not get in.
ND IS A JOKE.
Wishful thinking. We will be very lucky to jump Ucf and Oklahoma the way the committee has disrespected us so far.
This weeks rankings will be: #1 Bama, #2 Clemson, #3 ND, #4 OU, #5 UGA, #6 Ohio State.
We will jump UCF Tuesday, and then the Final spot will come between us and Oklahoma on selection sunday (Assuming Bama beats UGA). Hopefully Texas or Pitt wins, would basically ensure the good guys a playoff spot
"The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish" - Charlie Chaplin
5. and then it gets interesting..
This is the correct 4 for this Tuesday.... Hell even J Vilma said we should be in front of Oklahoma. I think I heard him throw up in his mouth when he said it and I about fainted as he has NEVER said anything remotely positive about tOSU.
Buckeye til I die
What the hell are you on about? Disrespected how? lost by 29 to purdue and was barlely beating scrubs. we will def get a boost now with 3 teams ahead of us losing and us putting on by far the best performance of the weekend.
Absolutely zero chance of us jumping an undefeated Notre Dame.
I don't agree. Head-to-head competition is one of the factors that the committee looks at. Again, Ohio State beat Michigan much more convincingly than Notre Dame did. Also, Notre Dame only beat NW 31 - 21, in a game that was a close as the score indicated. If we see another 59-0-type blowout, don't be surprised if Ohio State gets the third seed. Yes, even if Choklahoma beats UT.
I don’t think you understand what head to head competition is.
I don't believe in no-win scenarios
Is this your first college football season? ND played a decent schedule and went undefeated. Theyre in.
You don’t have to agree. But you’re still wrong.
"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."
I think you mean "common opponent" not "head to head".
And factors like that, according to the committee protocol, generally do not come into consideration until they are discussing comparable teams.
ND is undefeated. OSU has a loss so ugly they had to put a bag over its head.
That transitive property of college football is only relevant if all other things are equal. If we were both undefeated, then maybe they would look to our scores against common opponents. But, we lost to Purdue by 29 so there is no need for the committee to go there.
Doesn't matter. ND is undefeated. There is no way OSU jumps them. Can't erase the Purdue loss and Michigan did score 39. 62 is impressive, but the 39 takes some of the shine off it. Also ND has just as much ratings appeal for the committee as OSU does, maybe more because they haven't get been in the playoffs since they were expanded to four teams.
nope. but they probably should. however, Northwestern probably puts up a better fight than meatchicken did...
Its us and Oklahoma fighting for the 4th spot. No chance of jumping ND.
Zero chance..... ND may jump Clemson and end up at #2 when it's all said and done.. and could end up #1 if Bama were to lose to Georgia... Notre Dame is the only 10000000% lock at this point.
No way we jump ND. The last playoff spot boils down to The Sooners and Bucks and I'm not sure which way it gos, especially if today's team shows up in Indy.
Ann Arbor is America's asshole.
OSU should jump ND if they throttle NW next weekend. Although, I have no doubt that the committee will reward ND for not joining a conference and thus not playing a 13th game against a ranked opponent.
*Random thought but I was just sitting here reflecting on the win today (in particular the offense) and how Urban and Coach day was able to attack every point of their defense due to Dwayne's arm talent. They seem to have finally figured out that they can actually be MORE potent with a QB who can gun it in accurately virtually anywhere on the field... This left me remembering that Dwayne will be a top 10 pick in April and leaving the program, which means that (most likely) Tate will be the starter next season. I'm just apprehensive about what the offense will be able to do next year. Fu*k it though! We just spanked Michigan and have a legit shot at making another playoff run with the best statistical QB in the history of the B1G (think about that)!!!
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
Why are people assuming Haskins is leaving? He hasn't popped up on a single mock draft that I've seen, they even have Duke's QB on there ffs. I get that a B/R reporter said he was planning on declaring but B/R is about as reliable of a source as the Onion is. I doubt Haskins will declare if he's not guaranteed to be a first round pick (not unless he's getting shit advice). I don't think his family is struggling for money which is the main reason players leave a year too early, I also think he will drastically improve his draft stock next year (which he is probably aware of) as more starts for a talented college QB = higher draft pick. He'd be a top 5 pick next year, instead of a 3rd or 4th rounder this year.
I agree about the mock draft. Nowhere have I seen him as a 1st round pick. He comes back and has another great year and continues to show some mobility he could be a top pick. Could be wishful thinking because I'd hate to see Martell take over and go back to JT offense with Wilson, Babb, Olave & Co blocking downfield.
I’m not so sure Tate is the automatic starter should Haskins move on. There’s another guy that can sling it (supposedly) on the roster and I personally think it’s telling they haven’t trusted Tate to throw the ball when he gets in.
I was PISSED they brought Martell in 2 times yesterday inside the 5. Haskins on a keeper would have been far more likely to work as he is less likely to run. I do like, though, that they keep bringing him in and only running him. I think it does set up a future playoff team to sell out on the run, and give Tate a wide open receiver to throw to.
Tate, in one of the early games this season did sling it pretty damn well though.
Nick drafts generally do not include undeclared underclassmen.
Actually I should have said mock drafts don't generally include undeclared underclassmen playing their first season as a starter.
Victor and Mack are back also. Farrel, Ruckert, and #13 also probably back. If Haskins comes back, our offense could be just as good next year.
He is going in the top ten this year. I don't care how many starts he had in college. He is the best arm to come out in a decade.
Correct, he will impress in NFL workouts. His stock is mediocre now, but once he has a pro day he will climb.
Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!
Honestly the only hope we have is a massive win over northwestern and Oklahoma losing next week. I think the committee likes bama Clemson and the Irish and sooners better than us
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
If Clemson loses to Pitt, they're out.
Clemson has beat no one, I agree, but do not underestimate the committee’s love for Clemson.
Clemson literally wouldn't have an argument against us. A loss to Pitt would completely negate the only thing holding us back, as both of us would have bad losses. However we would have 2 elite wins and a conference championship, meanwhile they'd be hanging their hat on a win against Syracuse.
Theyd have the "quality loss" argument. It's an illogical bullshit argument, but I hear it every year.
Losing to a 5 loss Pitt team that just got blown out by Miami on a neutral field isn't a "quality loss"
We lost by a lot, though.
I agree we should be in if they lose. The championship and SOS/ quality wins should put us above Clemson.
We have 2 elite wins?
Top 10 win = Michigan, Top 15 win at night on the road = Penn State. Both of them are going to make NY6 bowls
I agree but I find it very unlikely that Clemson loses to Pitt.
Probably not, but Clemson is 0-2 lifetime against PITT.
Clemson is playing the Steelers? Seriously, that's the only "Pitt" that could beat Clemson.
I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.
Lol true other wise we are talking about the Pitt just lost 24-3 to the "U"....
As much as I hate ND, they have earned it being undefeated.
While I agree, at some point, they are going to have to address the lack of the championship game for them. Why should Alabama and Clemson have to put their undefeated records (and guaranteed CFP berths) on the line in an extra game against a good team when Notre Dame doesn't? That exact scenario kept Wisconsin out last year. If they didn't play in the B1G championship, they would have been in the playoffs.
Agree on that. I actually liked your suggestion above on the ACC championship game. Clemson gets a free pass with the Coastal division every year.
My provision for ND is they must be undefeated. What is ridiculous is when a few years ago, they were about to put them in with 1 loss, until Stanford beat them late in the year.
The flip side is that ND with one loss will (almost) never get in over a one-loss P5 champion.
Wisconsin beat no one last year. If ND beat the same number of quality opponents as everyone else then why does it matter? Just because they dont have a game based on arbitrary boundaries
that they call a championship?
Wisconsin was in the exact position Notre Dame is right now. 12-0 and ranked in the top 4 of the CFP. But they had to play another game, which they were punished for losing, while Notre Dame gets a free pass. If they keep it at 4, then everyone has to play by the same rules. Notre Dame is associated with the ACC. They should play Clemson for that conference's championship.
I hope they force Notre Dame's hand this year and make them join a conference if they want to get into the playoff.
They were punished because they played some one with a pulse and got exposed. ND's schedule is legit.
It's the exact same scenario. Wisconsin doesn't play Ohio State, they get in the CFP. Notre Dame's schedule looks a little fraudulent to me. And will look even moreso if the Bucks destroy NW. It looks great on paper, but USC, FSU, Navy, VaTech are all way down this year. None will even go to bowls unless VaTech wins their makeup game. They have a bunch of other wins against mediocre ACC teams.
I think that's his point. They were punished. If they didn't have to play in the championship game, then they wouldn't have been exposed nor punished, hypothetically speaking. Likewise, if Notre Dame had to throw their cock out for an extra game against a team like, Clemson, for example, similarly to how Wisconsin has to do it against Ohio State, then they too might get exposed and punished. But, since they don't have that extra game, they don't face that risk.
So other teams are sitting with a playoff spot in their pocket, but wagering it next week. Notre Dame just watches them demolish each other.
I understand, but I think people get fixated on the last game, and that's a silly way to look at it. Call it what you will, championship or opener but it's still 1 game. You look at a teams record and you look at the SOS. That's the best way to see if a team is deserving.
at some point
You are correct, but that will be in another undefeated year, or definitely another year with a one-loss team.
We would have beat ND by 35 yesterday. They won't put us in over ND, but if it came down to best team rather than most deserving we would be in over them. ND is going to get blown out by Clemson. ND has played mediocre teams all year. They haven't played a really good team all year. Michigan or Syracuse is probably their best win. Michigan outplayed them for most of the game, but dug too big of a hole in the first quarter.
ND has already beaten the teams that OSU and Clemson have to face in the CCGs. What do they have to prove? If OSU loses to Northwestern, they don't deserve to go. If Clemson loses to Pitt, neither do they.
Before I went after a 12-0 ND, I would ask the committee to discount any wins over FCS schools. That would at least force the legit SEC and ACC teams to ditch those BS games. ND at least plays a 12-game schedule that is all FBS and has 10 Power Five teams. That's more than Bama or Clemson have played.
It's another reminder of how awesome and 8 game playoff would be..
Bama vs Michigan
Clemson Vs UCF
ND vs Georgia
Bucks vs Sooners
Been a proponent of an 8 teamer all along. Wanna keep the regular season meaningful? 5 auto bids for the power 5 conference champs. Don’t like that? Fine, how about this one? Home games for the top 4 seeds. That would continue to make every game count, and might bring some of these southern teams north of the Mason Dixon line for some real football weather.
4 game playoff > 8 game playoff. dont need to watch more scrubs get bent over by the top 2-3 teams.
That’s your opinion. Too many variables in the data points. Twice now, a questionable 4 seed has won it all. What if they were left out? I’d like to see it settled on the field. And the NFL is 80% shit in December. They could do round one 2 weeks after conference championships.
Twice now, a questionable 4 seed has won it all.
And three teams have gotten absolutely anihilated. In 2016, WMU would've been in. They would've had to stop the game in the third quarter if they had played Clemson in a 1 vs 8 matchup. It would've been criminal.
And while I don’t think that UCF deserves to get in this year (because of their schedule) into a 4 team playoff, it rewards those kids with a shot. They beat a team last year that beat Alabama.
And talk about meaningless beat downs? Shorten the season by a game to eliminate one of the cupcake out of conference matchups.
You mean like people thought scUM was going to do to OSU yesterday?
Pain of Discipline
Pain of Regret
Take Your Pick
I’d rather watch playoff games than the majority of these bowl games we watch.
No thx on auto bid for a conf champ
u really wanna watch the likes of Pitt, northwestern and Utah in the playoff?
4 is perfect. It’s elite.
Home field advantage would be a very nice aspect of an 8 team playoff.
yes, some teams will continue to play scrub out of conference schedules and bank on grabbing a spot by winning their conference. But I think it would encourage others to schedule tough out of conference schedules, knowing a loss doesn't end their changes. But a win tests the team but also gives them an edge if they lose a fluke conference game.
Yeah, not awesome for the players and coaches who want to see their family and recruit. Not awesome because half of the CFP games have been blowouts. No thanks. Do your job and you get in.
I don’t buy the reasoning that players and coaches want to spend time with family rather than play in a playoff. Every other division in college football has a playoff. And FBS has a zillion bowl games, most around the holidays.
It's Mike Gundy's fault. He had a chance to take Oklahoma into OT by kicking an extra point. Oklahoma State had a better chance of winning that game in overtime. Instead he goes for 2, which predictively fails and Oklahoma St. loses. He owed it to his team to give them the better chance to win by going into overtime. Instead Oklahoma is going to beat Texas and go into the playoff. Thanks a lot Gundy.
ESPN is already starting its pr campaign against OSU. Troll Heather Dimwit wrote an article comparing OSU to OU. She states both have the same number of "top 25" wins (2). LOL. Who gives a F about top 25?! She fails to note that when the new rankings come out this week PSU and UM will both be ranked top 10, while none of OU's opponents will. She also implies that beating Texas is more of an accomplishment than beating Northwestern, which is not true at all. They are both ranked roughly the same.
Texas is a good ball club. So is NW. Texas has a team with a bunch of talent. Nw not so much. If you pulled most coaches they would probably play NW most times over Texas.Big ten west is sorry. It’s not an objective against OSU. In fact Espn loves OSU. They are a cash cow. I feel it’s the exact opposite. They want OSU in . They would to talk OSU and Bama. That brings ratings. At the end of the day espn is a buisness. I will admit that they don’t always do well at that and push new age agendas. But OSU is not one of them. Just because someone doesn’t agree and says something about buckeyes don’t make them a bad fan or commentator. Most analysts and lformer players picked Michigan yesterday. Doesn’t make em “bad”. It means they look at something objectively and came to logical conclusions. They didn’t say OSU will win always because Michigan sucks and Urban Meyer is god. They look at patterns and made a judgement based on it.
Her comment about her 8 year old son saying Meyer doesn't look healthy is absolute proof there is a bias there. That was a flat out bald faced lie.
Absolute proof only on the mind of a conspiracy theorist.
I thought you worked for Logic?
I do, we threw your resume(that was written on a napkin) in the trash.
Don’t care Beat Michigan
I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.
Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan
Why would OSU jump an undefeated ND team? OSU has a lose ND does not. It’s not even a competition. The committee don’t have favorite teams like us(yes I know espn and committee love SEC as do the refs and Mr. Trump and all are plotting how to get 5 SeC teams in playoffs)If the shoe was on other foot our fans would be calling foul. Heck last year after 2 lossses our fans tried to justify OSU getting in. Should OSU also go to #1 as well
and also jump everyone else
No. Undefeated ND is in as the #3 seed.
If Alabama and Clemson win their respective conference championship games, which is quite likely, they are both in as the #1 and #2 seeds respectively.
If Oklahoma beats Texas and Ohio State beats Northwestern, no matter the scores, it is most likely that Oklahoma will be the 4th team in, to play Alabama in the first championship round. Ohio State's loss to Purdue, just as with Iowa last year, will most likely be the determining factor that keeps them out. I'm not saying that I would agree with the committee's decision, especially if Oklahoma wins a close game against Texas and Ohio State beats Northwestern impressively, but that, IMO, is the most likely outcome. If Oklahoma loses and Ohio State wins, then Ohio State is the most likely #4 seed.
With an Ohio State win against Northwestern and an Oklahoma win over Texas, the Buckeyes will most likely play Washington (if they beat Utah in the Pac-12 championship game) in the Rose Bowl.
And I'll bet if you asked Nick Saban in private and off the record which team he least wanted to see in this year's playoff, he would answer Ohio State.
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I'd have to say no. There was some good discussion on this yesterday on College Gameday, Desmond made a good point (srs): Notre Dame's lack of a conference championship should be held against them because they play one less game so their undefeated status doesn't mean as much in relation to the teams they're being judged against. Not sure I agree but it's a good point.
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While this is not the year it happens i would like the lack of a conference championship to cost ND and force them into doing so.
Agreed. They should be in the Big Ten.
Also the Big Ten should actually be 10 teams.
No, that won't and shouldn't happen. ND is more deserving of the higher seed.
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Better not. If OSU hadn’t crapped the bed in W Lafayette, they’d be #3, maybe even #2 (the deference between which is negligible). However, that sh*tshow did happen, so if the top 2 win, which is probably best case scenario for OSU’s playoff hopes, the top 3 is locked in for the committee.
Going further, if OK wins, they avenge their only loss (which came by 3 to a top 25 opponent, not by 29 to a 6-6 team), and should be #4, assuming Bama and Clemson both win. Buckeye would, and should, finish #5.
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Every OSU fan that wants our guys in the playoffs needs to become a big fan of Texas. It’s our only hope.
and (throws up in mouth a little) Bama
Ok, cool. Hook em
I appreciate your responses, but I respectfully disagree. The "rule" is that the committee picks the four best teams. The committee looks at factors such as records, strength of schedule, conference championships, and performance against common opponents. If Ohio State throttles NW, the latter three factors will militate strongly in Ohio State's favor. If Ohio State plays a tougher schedule, wins a conference championship, AND blows out two teams that Notre Dame struggled against, I think Ohio State will, and should, grab the #3 playoff spot.
If both teams were undefeated I MIGHT agree with you, but they’re not. Purdue happened. Stop pretending it did not.
No- It will come down to Oklahoma and the Buckeyes if they win out for the last slot. SOF favors the Bucks now tif they do by a hair. Quality of win this next week will be important as well
Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.
Not gonna happen....but I think Ohio State would smash ND if they played each other next week.
It is the 4 best teams , not undefeated teams. ND needs to have some love from the committee IMO
Here's my unlikely confusion Staurday:
UGA throttles Bama
TX beast OK
We destroy NW
Clemson wins a close one
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.
I don't care if Georgia smashes Bama 100-0. They will not leave Bama out of the playoff.
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If they playoff ends up with 2 teams from one conference again, I bet it jumps to an 8 team playoff in the not so distant future. The power 5 conferences all have to be represented. A four team playoff already means one gets left out. Putting 2 teams in this year and Notre Dame, means 3 of the power 5 get left out.
The "maneuvering" by the committee will be to have Georgia at #4 this week to protect both the Dawgs and Bama should Georgia win the SEC CG. I think Bama is as safe as ND right now. Oklahoma is vulnerable against Texas as their 59 points against WVU won't have the same rate of exchange that our 62 had against Michigan; they'll be looking to get style points against a Texas team that absolutely thinks they can beat them again.
It will be interesting to see how committee ranks 1 loss Conference champs in possibly Ohio State and Oklahoma with an undefeated ND. Ohio State and Oklahoma hands down played tougher schedule. Does the CFP committee reward that?
i don’t think ND is as cemented in as everyone thinks. If Oklahoma beats a good Texas team, and Ohio state dominates NW, the other common opponent with ND. Then I think we may find ND out and OSU and OU in.
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I don't know why everyone thinks Notre Dame is such a lock for the second or third position. I think even our fans have bought into the false, media-driven narrative that Notre Dame is an elite team. I watched them play last night and wasn't impressed.
What we are buying into is the fact that ND is undefeated and played a respectable Power 5 schedule. The lack of a conference title would bite them if all else were equal but it is not. I don't let my dislike of ND and my scarlet colored glasses win over logic.
Notre Dame is in, deal with it. Being honest about the whole thing, beating Northwestern doesn't open the door for the Buckeyes who for whatever reason truly did not show to be one of the top 4 teams in the nation on a consistent basis.
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ND is 12-0. Nothing that happens between now and the playoffs can change that and they are an absolute lock to make the playoffs. Bet they house on it. No one loss team will replace them. I have to believe, given past events, that Alabama is a lock win or lose in the SEC championship game. I wish that wasn't the case, but I suspect it is. OSU makes the playoffs if they beat NW, Oklahoma loses and Alabama wins. If Gerogia wins OSU doesn't make the playoffs. If Oklahoma wins it's a toss up. All of that assumes Clemson wins. Should they be upset if becomes chaos except even then ND and Alabama will still be in.
Clemson is most definitely out with a loss. They’d be a 1 loss non conf champ that played a shit schedule.
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ND is undefeated and deserves to be in. They don't have a 29 pt loss to a 6-6 team.
No. Although I think Ohio State/ND plays out very similar to Ohio State/Michigan
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I agree with you, and all of you have heard me say it before. UND is not a lock. Next week when all the conference championship games are over, UND will be in the hunt with everybody else. If Oklahoma and OSU, win comfortably, it will be toughest on UND, for they were the ones sitting idle on championship day. This already has been proven with Baylor and TCU in 2014, you don't sit idle that day. This may be the stick that pokes UND into either going into a conference, or playing an independent championship game, if allowed.
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Baylor and TCU were not undefeated. You are comparing apples and oranges,
ND is a lock. There is no comparison between them and TCU/Baylor. Not only are they undefeated but they deliver a national television audience to the playoffs. Don't be fooled into believing OSU made the playoffs in 2014 because TCU was idle on championship game weekend. They jumped TCU because of the massive television ratings advantage they had over TCU. No one brings more potential viewers than ND. They are a lock.
The members of the CFP committee are respected AD Directors and/or former college coaches. There should be no incentive to cater to teams that bring more "potential viewers". I have seen no indication this has been a deciding factor in past selections.
The bowl system obviously is less rigorous in the way matchups are made and the BCS championships suffered some bias due to the reliance on media polls. I pray this is no longer the case. If it truly is a "beauty contest" then the whole process has no integrity and college football is diminished by it.
I disagree. Four years of watching the process has thoroughly convinced me it is strongly influenced by the potential television ratings. The incentive is the vast sums the money networks pay to broadcast games. If those games don't draw viewers that will be reflected if future contract negotiations. There is nothing about the process to make "respected" AD's to lose sleep, but this is a classic smoke filled back room type process and money talks loudest when transparency is lacking. OSU jumping TCU and Alabama making the playoffs without even qualifying to play in the SEC championship are both decisions that reflect bias to television rankings. Believe what you will but an unbiased playoff would require all participants to be conference champions. Anything less is designed to allow backroom manipulation and that means letting the money decide.
TCU got hurt the most because the committee couldn't put them in over a 1 loss co-champ that beat them. But Baylor's schedule was such a joke that the easiest solution was to jump OSU in and then make up some bullshit to justify it.
Trotwoodbuck: OSU by far (and it is not even close) brings the most viewers to TV. You'll notice only 16 times a team has drawn over 3 million viewers, OSU has 6 (not including this week). The closest to them is GA, with 3 (UND topped 3m once, against UM. If you want to do the math yourself, here ya go. http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/
OSU jumped TCU and Baylor because they won on championshup weekend, and TCU/Baylor didn't. Had they played each other, we will never know. We do know that the Committee said they chose OSU because the three teams were considered equal, and OSU was the lone undisputed champion of it's conference, and had the best wins, which tipped in their favor. Last year, OSU was not considered equal to Alabama, so the Championship qualifier never came into play.
OSU beat UM by 23 points, and obviously could have been at least 7 more points. UND beat UM by 7. UND beat NW by 10. OSU plays them next week, a huge blowout will speak volumes.
You can say whatever you want, but UND to me, is not a lock. If like last year, when they felt Alabama was better, and they think UND is "demonstrably" better, this metric does not come into play. I am not saying UND won't get in, I'm just saying it isn't a lock, and I would not bet the house on it. Would you?
You give a detailed argument for the financial benefit of selecting OSU for the playoffs and then accept the committee's opaque justification for selecting OSU over TCU for non financial reasons. If a B10 champion OSU is a more deserving choice then a Big12 co-champion TCU in 2014 how is a non-B10 championship game qualifying OSU team that lost its head-to-head match up to B10 champion PSU more deserving of a playoff spot in 2016? Using the justification applied to elevating OSU over TCU in 2014 would never have resulted in putting OSU in the playoffs in 2016. The criteria are fluid to produce the anticipated best possible television ratings. Always follow the money it will lead you to the correct answer 99 percent of the time. ND is undefeated and brings a strong national following. They are a lock. That is my opinion. My opinion used to be the playoffs were a high minded re-establishment of NCAA control over the college football post season from the flawed BCS. While the playoffs are certainly controlled by the NCAA the events of the past four seasons have shown it was not done for high minded reasons.
If the process was designed to be financially blind there would be no committee. The criteria for making the playoffs would be entirely transparent and well defined. They would start with winning your conference championship and then go to a strength of schedule system for selecting the four participants. The process is not transparent. It opaque and designed for back room manipulation.
I agree that ND is a lock, just not for the same reasons you do. ND is one of 3 undefeated teams (currently). It is entirely reasonable to consider them one of the best 4 teams in the country without assuming a bias towards them because of financial considerations. OSU being selected over TCU and Baylor was certainly defendable under the same logic. OSU in 2016 and Alabama in 2017 are also defendable under the same reasoning. There will always be controversy when there are more than 4 teams that have similar resumes. The committee is supposed to reevaluate its selections each week baaed on the new data available without regard to the previous week. It is not like a poll where a team ahead of you must lose before you can advance. It is supposed to pick the 4 best teams not necessarily the 4 most deserving. I much prefer humans selecting the 4 teams rather than some mindless computer. Your premise that money is the driving factor is based on unfounded speculation.
Nope. I’m packing for the Tournament of Roses!
Ready to bookmark this season with PAC 12 wins
You should come see the rest of us in Arlington!
Anyone who is seriously suggesting the Buckeyes deserve to be ranked ahead of Notre Dame needs to have their head examined.
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Dude OSU would spank ND. No question they deserve to be ahead of ND. ND hasn't beaten OSU in over 80 years.
Over 80 years means nothing....
Also, ND wouldn't lose by 30 points to Purdont
Those who stir the shit pot should have to lick the spoon.
If OSU played ND's schedule they would be undefeated as well and would have dominated. I suppose it depends upon how you define "Deserve" but there's no doubt that OSU would beat ND today.
nice topic, but nd stays put at #3. that damn purdue rout put a damper on osu's playoff hopes. let's root for mensa against ou and tide over the ga dogs. maybe, we then slip in. if we keep scoring like saturday, we can match up against anybody. bring it.
We need ttds to beat GA convincingly and Texas to beat Oklahoma. That is our only path.
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I thought Georgia already had a loss, a second one puts them officially OUT.
GA does... but a 2 loss SEC East Champion could get in if the game is very close. LSU lost 29-0 to ttds yet stayed 4 spots ahead us even though they then had 2 losses.
No one loss team will pass an undefeated ND.
I don't think so with ND being undefeated. ND beat Northwestern.. I'm concerned about passing #5 Oklahoma. They play #9 Texas while we play #21 Northwestern. From a ranking standpoint. Oklahoma might get the nod if they win
Espin trashes OSU any chance they get. Herb prefaces his bullshit with "Of course I want them to win, BUT blah blah blah. Their is bias, and it's laughable for anyone to deny it. It's like saying CNN or NBC isn't left leaning. We all know it and just accept it for what it is, but to deny it is ignorant in my opinion.
So him thinking the #4 team would beat the #10 team that struggled with inferior opponents the last handful of weeks is bullshit and bias?
Take off your scarlet glasses
Dude...shut up about the Herbie bashing thing. 90% of the world picked Meatchicken for good reason at the time. He bleeds Scarlett and Gray....dude was a Captain...who are u to call him out?
I agree with ND being a lock to be in the playoff, but i can imagine and would agree with a scenario where others jump them, and they have to play the #1 seed the 1st game of the playoff because they didn't have a conf. championship game.
I'm sure ND will be in but I don't agree with it at all. We beat TTUN more convincingly and they are a better team today than they were in week 1. ND is affiliated with the ACC in their own way but they pretty much manipulate the schedule because they get this tag that they're "in a conference" yet they don't have to play Clemson every year, and they don't have to take a risk in a conference championship game which is ridiculous.
In my opinion, if we beat Northwestern more convincingly than ND did, Bama beats Georgia, and Oklahoma beats Texas, the four teams should be Bama, Clemson, us, and Oklahoma. Again, I'm sure ND will get one of the spots but I don't think it's right at all.
No. Have to hope Herman can pull the upset and send Oklahoma back home. It’s the least he can do after all the shit he started with Zach Smith. I think we’re one of the few teams who can get into a shoot out with Bama and actually make it interesting. Oklahoma is another team that could though as well. It’s not looking good right now. We’ll see how they rank us Tuesday. We might have to pound northwestern into the turf to show what we’re made of
ND is in but they are hardly impressive and I wouldn't be concerned in the slightest if the Bucks played them this year. The last time they were supposed to give us a tussle they stunk up the joint and it would be a repeat.
I hate Notre Dame and I hate that they get to sit back and watch some other teams fight for a playoff spot (Georgia, Oklahoma, Ohio State), and some teams have nothing to gain from playing in their championship game, but potentially everything to lose (Alabama, Clemson), but it's the world we live in.
That said, I don't see how they keep an undefeated Notre Dame out of the playoffs. I would be curious what the BCS scoring would look like this year. I'd probably just go with that.
Anyone thinking we jump an undefeated ND is on drugs. And it KILLS me to say that. Their ticket is punched. A one loss ND team NEVER gets in over a one loss conference team. The message would be loud and clears since they don’t play in a conference championship game
ND's ticket is punched, but they'll be punched out big in the first game. Just like about every other real big game I've seen them play in the last 25 years, they don't belong in it and get stomped.
But they're in.
It's between OSU and OU for the 4 spot. One more beauty contest to judge before that call's made.
No. In no conceivable way does that happen.
I'd be ok with the playoff expanding to 6 teams. Let 1 & 2 have a bye week, let 3-6 play for the final 2 spots. At 6 teams, there's still some questions at spots 5-6 and those teams could be worthy of a playoff spot. This also allows spots 1-2 to mean something by letting them have a bye week. I don't think people would be upset with leaving teams 7 and above out because it seems like teams 5-6 have had decent resumes in past years.
Why did the mods not delete this thread but delete the one with the comparison of Pete Werner and Dante Booker? I hope the mods don't think that they hurt my feelings. I saved my work and used it as the skeleton of an email I sent the coaches raising the same concerns.
No, they are undefeated...they played some tough games...they have great running game, excellent defense, good qbs
ND is in. If they had one loss than they would be out to a conference winner, but they are not going anywhere. This is one of those times they are rewarded for not having a title game. That said, OSU and Alabama have made it in without that too.
OSU's for sure path in would be Texas over OU and Alabama over Georgia and OSU over NW. If that happens than they are in. Anything else is less certain, possible but not certain.
ND is in this thing. And they deserve to be.
OSU fans, STOP, with the Purdue loss, it's not about deserving, it's the best four at the end of the year, have u not followed this through the years
Do you believe Oklahoma fans are saying we give up 40 points a game we don't belong in?