This is a Rebuilding Year, People

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Meh. A bunch of guys with little to no experience won the title in 2014.

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BeatMeechigun's picture

One of two of the previous 49 seasons OSU has won a title.  Two.

In 35 of the last 50 seasons, OSU has ended with 2 or more losses.   Yet from the narrative's you'd think a 1-loss season as we're having is disastrous.

EVERY Buckeye fan wants a NC each year.  But to set that as an expectation when it has occurred just three times in the last 50 years is ridiculous.  The "misery" of merely being 10-1 and in the top 10 is getting old.

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Jumar's picture

Too many people played NCAA football on XBOX and won the championship every year. Now it is championship or bust.

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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RedsBuckeyeBoy's picture

Not me!

I played it on playstation

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

For me, it's not misery. But it is a bunch of 4 and 5-stars being underdeveloped and not playing to their potential. That is what 's most concerning to me.  The talent is there.  In the last 50 seasons, NO coach has recruited the talent that Meyer has. 

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saintstephen11's picture

Fact. A team that has the best recruiting classes year in and year out should contend for a title year in and year out.

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Thedrw's picture

So "10-1 going into a game with 4th ranked Michigan and the winner goes to the B1G Title Game with a shot at the playoff" isn't considered contending?

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Señortaystee62's picture

Fact of the matter is the buckeyes have been contending every year for a playoff berth, that's all you can ask. Worst year is 2 regular season losses under urban and even then had a case for playoffs.

It's one thing (and reasonable) to be upset with player development, scheme/coaching issues, or airs of entitled/stubborn attitude, but I don't for a second buy this contending argument.

Everyone brings up bama. You judge against that standard you'll never be content. And even saban would admit over his run they've had some fortunate years where stars just align.

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saintstephen11's picture

Bama should be the model. When you have as much talent as them ... and way more than any other team not named Bama, then you shouldn't settle for being a top 2 team once every decade or so.  This team should be in the CFP every year right along with Alabama and Clemson (who doesn't have as much talent out of HS).

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BeatMeechigun's picture

Fair call out.  Go Bucks and Roll Along!

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BuckAlum09's picture

For me it's the inexplicable losses, once per season, every season since 2015... (the games that "Nick Saban would never lose" - per Finebaum). 2015 MSU, 2016 PSU, 2017 Iowa, 2018 Purdue.

I said on here in the pre-season in a different thread "We will drop 1 that we shouldn't... who's it going to be?" and my prediction was either Maryland or, yep, Purdue. And you know what? Fuck me, if MD's QB doesn't pretend to be turning a double play on that 2 point conversion and just granny shots the ball to his receiver instead... I'd have been buying a power ball ticket first thing yesterday morning.

This is my only "bitch" with our program under Urban. It's an annual problem. It's every f*ing year. I can deal with getting beat by teams who have the talent (and staff) to stand toe to toe with us. Or hell, even losing to teams that are just downright better than us. I can live with those losses. (Clemson 2x, VT, Oklahoma, MSU B1G Title Game). And  I can even handle the occasional college football madness upset, sometimes a bunch of shit just goes the right way for the wrong team.

But that's not the situation here... No, it's every year with us. And that's not ok. And like it or not, Finebaum isn't wrong in his comment. We let down to FAR inferior teams, every year, who then go on to get their doors blown off by the likes of the mid-low tier big ten teams just a week or two later... or prior.

As for the rest? I don't pretend to know the truth about our player development. Or the leadership in the locker room. Or things we work on in practice. Or players that don't fit the actual schemes. Bc like all of you, I have no idea.

"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."

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58Buckeye's picture

Go make a list of Bama's undefeated N.C.'s. I can tell you now that it is gonna be very short. STOP believing everything your buddy Finebaum says.

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BuckAlum09's picture

Did you read beyond the first paragraph? Bc I feel like you’ve missed the entire point. 

"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."

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58Buckeye's picture

Yes I did read it. Everyone always tries to use Bama to push their point. The point is 2014 Buckeyes didn't have the stars to match Bama, but they some how did it. Chit happens. Life happens. It takes about 115-120 people to run a team. You have to get all that to click just right on every play & then hope for a little luck to go along with it. Hell you couldn't get 1 person (yourself) not to take a shortcut on typing "bc" because. We are just supposed to pick up the slack for you? With Bosa gone he is no longer taking a double team. That means the entire defense had to play a different stile of play. Everyone wants to talk * value. What if you get 10, 5* players & 3 don't pan out? that leaves you with 7, of those it takes 4 of them 3 years to fully develop, Where are all your *'s now. Just because you think life should be all peaches & cream doesn't mean that's how it's going to be.

I am not nit picking you for the Bc, I was just pointing out everyone is human & will always be looking for a short cut when they can get one. Let's go beat TTUN.

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BuckInNashville's picture

Exactly alum

i call it shitting the bed once a year. And we do it by 4 TDs (Clemson, Iowa, Purdue). It’s characterized by a totally surprised defense and an offense with no hint of surprising the opposition. So the bitching that was described above is that if the talent is there to win 10+ games per season, how is it possible that the staff can be so out coached and the team so unprepared that they lose by 4 TDS ? 

Thats the bitch. It’s not about losing a game by a FG or 10 points where the ball bounced or there was a questionable call. It’s a total collapse once per year. 

For us as invested followers of this team (yes I invested $197 x 2 for the game Saturday and that is face value) , it is a major disappointment. And btw, prices are going up next year ?

Its like letting my BMW go unmaintained and I go on a date with the hottie from downstairs.  I break down in the Short North in heavy traffic on High Street where everyone is watching. I’m probably not getting a second date.

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BeatMeechigun's picture

I know the talent disparity between teams is far less in the NFL, but how many times have the Pats gone 14-2 with one of their losses coming to a Miami teams that finishes without a winning record?  4? 5? Heck, the one year it was the 5-11 Browns that got 'em.  Another they went 14-2 (17-2 with a Super Bowl overall) and one of the two losses was a 31-0 routing to the Bills who went 6-10.  It happens.  The difference between NFL teams may not be as wide, but if a team can generate a .788 winning percentage over 15 years, I think one can argue they are good enough to beat 6-10 teams.

Saban's Tide fell behind Utah 21-0 in 2009, losing by 14.  His former LSU Tigers suffered an inexplicable defeats to UAB in 2000 and his Tide lost to Louisiana Monroe in 2007.  OU and S Carolina both have beaten his Tide by 14.

History tells us that inexplicable losses happen.

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BuckAlum09's picture

I agree. The inexplicable losses happen to us once a year every year since 2014. And that’s my only issue. 

"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."

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Beaver's picture

If this is a rebuilding year for us, Alabama must be in a rebuilding year every year.

Karl sherrick

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WC Buckeye's picture

The comparison is a little unfair, in that their strength of schedule (at least during the regular season) doesn't match up very well.  A large part of their success in the postseason, I feel, is because they are healthier overall than their opponents at that time of the year.

Life is full of choices. Make good ones.

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BuckAlum09's picture

I’m just talking about accountability for our consistent let downs against teams who are vastly inferior. 

"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."

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Alabama Buckeye's picture

Alabama loses a ton of talant to the NFL every year but somehow they avoid getting beat by 4 or 5 touchdowns to Vanderbilt or Missouri. I don't see the Alabama defense getting gashed with 60, 70, 80 yard touchdowns consistently. I blame that on coaching and player development.

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NEBuckeye's picture

If you had 4 and 5 stars with development and mentoring by seniors who care as much about the program as they do about their careers, and under the tutelage of a consistent coaching staff, then I don’t doubt that this team would be giving bama and Clemson a run for their money right now. But instead we have a bias toward early departure of our franchise players and changes in coaching such that we are hitting the reset button too many times in too many areas and this is where we are at. And with all of that, Urban has this team scraping and clawing their way to a one loss conference championship season.

I’m both grateful for the results that OSU gets under these circumstances, and frustrated that the program has allowed itself to be put in this situation and will continue to be in it for the foreseeable future under this model. 

To truly be an elite contender, more continuity is not only needed, it is essential. Without it, this is our ceiling. 

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awlinBrutus's picture

Or twice in 16 years? Should have been 2 in 5 years but who's counting.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

That ended up being one of the most talented rosters of all time.. foh

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Point remains - we won the title with a bunch of redshirt freshmen and sophomores.

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

point remains, it's an anomaly that happens. Statistics>

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

I will agree that the talent level isn't the same, but it's certainly not 29-point loss to Purdue bad. Just like last year's team wasn't 31-point loss to Iowa bad. There's a concerning trend, you can't deny that.  If we get upset by a FG or TD, so be it - it happens. These types of losses shouldn't happen, though.

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58Buckeye's picture

It was 35-21 Virginia Tech bad.  There aren't many seasons that teams go undefeated.

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

There was a very specific reason for that, and at the end of the day we only lost by two scores - one of which happened within the last minute of the game.  It was a much closer game against a defense we had no counter for. We made the corrections and never had issues with that same defense the rest of the year, despite it being utilized against us many times. 

Last year and this year are much different stories. We got boat-raced by bad teams and in both situations, the problems everyone was screaming to fix all season finally came to a head and we couldn't simply out-athlete a bad team. I'm not asking for undefeated. I'm asking for these types of losses to not happen. Tressel usually had a loss to a subpar team as well - the difference being that they were usually close games.

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58Buckeye's picture

Go ask ichigan is the loss last was any easier than the the one the year before or the year before that ect...

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

That has nothing to do with my point. You are talking about arguably the biggest rivalry in all of sports. I am talking about getting pooped on by bad teams.

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58Buckeye's picture

ichigan lost 3 games in 2016. Iowa 14-13, TOSU  30-27, Florida 33-32.  Go ask them how great that felt. It was still third place no matter how many points they lost by.

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

If we only lost to Iowa by one or two scores, we receive much more consideration for the playoff last year. That is why the scores matter.

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58Buckeye's picture

If we only lost to Iowa by one or two scores, we receive much more consideration for the playoff last year. That is why the scores matter.

You are absolutely wrong! No matter how small the loss to Iowa would have been, it still wouldn't have negated the loss to Oklahoma. We didn't get in because we had 2 losses.

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Blackcoffee's picture

We got curb stomped. This was the bigger factor than the two losses.

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Buckeyechuck5's picture

Florida State

"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Yes, for everything said and no, a 5-5 team should not put up the most offense ever on an Ohio State defense.

Barney Fife lives, and he lives amongst us.

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Kyson12's picture

Absolutely, we don’t rebuild here boss. 

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stxbuck's picture

The 2014 DL says you are friggin high................

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Way to cherry-pick, bud. The majority of our standout players were second year players either redshirt freshmen or sophomores. JT Barrett, Zeke, Bosa (our best D-Lineman that freed up everyone else), Darron Lee, Cardale Jones seeing first meaningful playing time, Vonn Bell, Jalin Marshall, Dontre Wilson, Michael Thomas second year of PT. I don't think I'm the one who is high.

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stxbuck's picture

Guess what-it isn't the "standout" players that laid the foundation for the 4' NC. It was veteran players who did what they were supposed to do, when they were supposed to-like not allowing the kinds of big plays that have plagued tOSU's D. Tyvis Powell, Doran Grant, DL not named Bosa, Darryl Baldwin on the OL,etc,etc. There is more to a team than "OOOOH, somebody made a big play'.

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Yes, I realize there's more to football than skill players, so you can get off your self-righteous pulpit that you are always on with every comment on this website. Without those key players that I mentioned, though, there's no title. There's no beating Wisconsin 59-0 to pave the way to the playoff. It's much easier to replace the guys you mentioned that "laid the foundation" (which is BS...the culture, coaching, and development laid the foundation).

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LCT's picture

For your consideration: Ohio State as rejected coach rehab & NFL prep isn't a good deal for Ohio State.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

Would you rather occasionally contend and have 4 loss seasons?

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LCT's picture

I don't accept 4 loss seasons as a dichotomy here. That's a trick. Comfort over competence in the staff and NFL-centric recruiting speak to culture. The leader is responsible for culture.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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BeatMeechigun's picture

Are you suggesting not recruiting NFL talent? 

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LCT's picture

No. Ohio State's always going to send players to the NFL. I'm suggesting that culture matters and Urban's recruiting approach seems not to build as strong a culture as another approach might.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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TurboNut's picture

Loathes

Coaching NFL

Talent

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faux_maestro's picture

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Let's call this "The Notre Dame" model. 

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JarheadBuck's picture

Considered and rejected.

I want perfection too, but it ain't happening.  So we both better get used to the idea.

You clearly want Meyer gone and have for a while. (I never paid attention, before this season's gripes.  Maybe you've always hated UFM as coach here.  I really don't know.)  So, as I've asked before...

Who the hell are you planning to roll the dice will do a better job?  Everyone else (sans Saban) either has a record of not winning as much, not recruiting as well or is a complete crapshoot (betting on the come at best).

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JarheadBuck's picture

Sorry LCT.  I got caught up in the idiocy.

Neither of our comments (or 90% of the others) have any place in the week of THE GAME.

We are the definition of insanity.  I miss hating TTUN more than each other. 

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LCT's picture

Dude, no problem. There's no need for any ill will here.

+2, thank you for your service to our country.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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The Rill Dill's picture

Jim Tressel was unknown to 98% of Ohio State fans, when hired. There is aleays someone out there, somewhere. Thad Matta was considered irreplaceable by many on here, too. Just because a perceived ‘lesser coach’ doesn't have a record like Urban’s, could be that he also doesn’t have near the resources available to Urban.

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58Buckeye's picture

Just because a perceived ‘lesser coach’ doesn't have a record like Urban’s, could be that he also doesn’t have near the resources available to Urban.

JT already had 4 championships at Youngstown State. 

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

There are also a lot of "sure things" out there that turn out to be total turds. 

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

So the rest of you can sulk and bitch about not winning by enough points.  I'll just be cool with the fact that we have a coach great enough to be 10-1 at this point considering everything else.  Don't be a bitch.

    I think it is a mixture of both, a rebuilding year, while also underperforming. I do agree with this main point though, we care way too much about style points, instead of the fact that Ohio State is 10-1, and #10 in the country. 

Instead of looking at it as some horrible 10-1 team, we should be looking at this team as a team that is extremely tough to put away, and no matter how much adversity they face, they find a way to win. Ohio State 24-21 Saturday, Go Bucks! Beat *ichigan! 

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

Honestly, if one just takes a step back and evaluates everything about this season, it's almost a goddamn miracle we're 10-1 right now.  And that's because we have Urban Meyer.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

This is true. S&P+ has the Buckeyes’ second order wins at 8. That means, based on the stats from all their games, they should be 8-3 right now. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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saintstephen11's picture

I agree with this. They were lucky as hell to beat PSU and Maryland.

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seyekcuB's picture

The only stat that matters is the score.

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cafiero.3's picture

If the only stat that matters is the score, then stats that determine the score are therefore important. It's why S&P+ and FPI key in on very unique statistics that have more predictive power. 

What you're saying pretty much ignores the entire reasoning why a score ends up being the score.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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countrybuckeye's picture

you could be right, I reckon.

I don't remember those classes being offered when I was at tOSU -- ya know, those "Applications of Analytics for the Gridiron Pursuits"

jus' sayin'

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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The Rill Dill's picture

After the season is almost over, now a couple geniuses act like tgey knew it all along.This team was considered a lock for the CFP, by MOST people on Earth. Not ONE person on here ever so much as mentioned this being a rebuilding year. Get the hell outta here.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Which is why they were preseason ranked #5 by the AP poll? 

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/08/95428/ohio-st...

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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countrybuckeye's picture

The Rill Dill said 'most', not 'all' -- so the AP had them "outside staring in"

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

He said considered a "lock" by most people on earth. One of the most established ranking organizations in college football disagrees, and you want to split semantic hairs between "most" and "all"?  I'm just calling out the hyperbole.  They weren't considered a "lock" by a majority of anyone.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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The Rill Dill's picture

They were a lock by everyone on this board. 

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MaxPowerBucknut's picture

That established ranking organization also had Wisconsin in their top 4. How’d that turn out?  Preseason rankings are not worth the paper they are printed on. 

OSUCOM 2008 Graduate. Go Bucks!

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The Rill Dill's picture

Except for the fact that it drives the perception/narrative for the season.

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KBonay's picture

To Counter, Florida was not a preseason top 25 team.  Yet, they are sitting just outside of Ohio State with 3 losses.  They are the highest ranked 3 loss team.  Ahead of Penn State, Washington, Texas and West Virginia ( a 2-loss team).  All teams that were ranked preseason and as high as #6 (Washington). 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

MaxPower - Did I say they were? I was only using that to counter Rill Dill's hyperbolic statement that the Buckeyes were a "lock" playoff team by "most" of the people on earth. And, he implied that anyone who claims they thought the Buckeyes might struggle a bit with new personnel all over the place is lying.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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MaxPowerBucknut's picture

Take it easy. I was agreeing with you. To say that the AP had them almost a lock to me is a joke.  With the exception of Alabama, just about every team picked in the top 4 preseason is anything but “a lock.”

OSUCOM 2008 Graduate. Go Bucks!

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RK84's picture

There have been 15 (FIFTEEN!!!!) draft picks from the last 3 years on the defensive side of the football.

To me this is the biggest take away no one wants to admit. At some point it was going to hurt, at some point you were going to have a bit of a fall off. Thing is, that's Ok, it happens, learn from it. 

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Kangarooman's picture

I think it's the worst point. We are going to have a bunch of picks next draft to add to that stat.

Is this an excuse for poor play next year, too?

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

The top 2019 draft pick to add to that list, though, hasn't been on the team since September. Yes, it will hurt losing Dre'Mont Jones, but the draft exodus will be much smaller after this season compared to recent past years.  

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Kangarooman's picture

Arnette and Sheffield are being mocked high in the draft. Fuller could go. There's a chance we have 4 defensive players drafted next year (not counting Bosa.)

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

It would be better if those guys return, but based on this past Saturday's game, not a crippling loss. 

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Kangarooman's picture

Point remains that us having early departures shouldnt be an excuse.

Id be willing to listen to that excuse for 2016 when we had a mass exodus of picks after 2015.

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RK84's picture

Never said it was an excuse for poor play, was saying at some point high first round draft picks year after year was going to catch up. Sustained success is expected, I see this year as blip not a trend.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Kangarooman's picture

I dont agree. I guess we'll find out next year. I think we're going to lose our best players after this year and if the coaching continues it's negative trends we're looking at a 4 loss season.

Hopefully, youre right. Really hope Urban cleans house with the defensive staff outside LJ. I think that could solve a lot of problems.

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MaxPowerBucknut's picture

Yeah, because Alabama never has high draft picks leave school early.

The old joke of “we don’t rebuild, we just reload” apparently only applies to the Tide. 

OSUCOM 2008 Graduate. Go Bucks!

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chris's picture

How many has Bama sent? Why doesn't it affect them? Aren't we just behind them in recruit rankings in the past several years?

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58Buckeye's picture

How many has Bama sent? Why doesn't it affect them? Aren't we just behind them in recruit rankings in the past several years?

When didn't it affect Bama?

2017 lost to  Auburn  26-14

2016 lost to Clemson 35-31

2015 lost to Old Miss  43-37

2014 Lost to  Old Miss 23-17  Lost to Ohio State 42-35

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chris's picture

I hear you, but I'm counting rings more so than win percentage. I've seen them lose some close games to some fairly worthy adversaries. I've never seen them play a whole season where something looks wrong. Where are their blowout losses? I've also seen them win 5 out of 9 championships. So that's more at the heart of my perspective of Bama.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Bama’s fans were probably more upset about Jalen Hurts last year than Buckeye fans were about JT Barrett. They’ve had their in season issues as well. You just have to be closer to T Town to realize it. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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chris's picture

That's true, they have at times only been 7/8 units strong especially due to QB play, but those 8 units have been good enough to compensate instead of being weighed down by that 1 weakness. I would expect, given our similar recruiting success, that our strong units would be strong enough to compensate for weaker ones when we are only 7/8 units strong as well. Instead, they act as leaks the sink the whole ship. I'm not sure why it happens to us like that and not them.

To the Bama fans credit, they were right. They don't win last year's title without Tua and a coach bold enough to insert him into the game.

To my first point in this post, too often our fans' worries become an Achilles heel we cannot mark. Their fans' concerns get taken care of more often than not. Why? Is it Sabam's greatness? The benefit of 87 former head coaches as quality control specialists? Talent development? Luck? Smarter scheduling? I have no idea.

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stuckupnorth's picture

It’s comical. People bring up a few loses against top 5 teams mostly in title game. OSU get blowed out by Iowa. People on this site justify away urban. Hate on Saban.yes 5 years ago OSU beat Alabama. In 10 years and 5 title later, people will still bring up 2014 as the ultimate justification 

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OSU_JD's picture

2017 lost to  Auburn  26-14

2016 lost to Clemson 35-31

2015 lost to Old Miss  43-37

2014 Lost to  Old Miss 23-17  Lost to Ohio State 42-35

The total amount by which Alabama has lost these games is 35 points. the largest deficit is 12.

Meanwhile, 29 to Purdue, 31 to Clemson, 31 to Iowa

That's why we're all complaining. 

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lamplighter's picture

Screw Blue!

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

The best thing about 10-1 is the chance to be 11-1.

Beat Blue.

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Fatpants's picture

21 CAR, 298 YDS, 2 TD

That's not inexperience. Something is fucked on that defense.  McFarland only had 724 rushing yards coming into Saturday.

PG <3 PG

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

How many did he have in the second half?  When we decided to not fuck ourselves with scheme?

The answer is 42 yards.

So tell me, is something really wrong or is someone making poor decisions.

From reports and rumors, Urban has not been happy with the staff this year.  Wonder why?

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Fatpants's picture

I don't know, but that's exactly the point I'm making. Pretend he got completely shut down in the second half. Why does the first half have to be so bad? Why are we giving away tons of big plays in November to a sketchy team?

Edit to your edit: what i'm saying is fucked is the staff.

PG <3 PG

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

My assumption is that the defensive staff pleads that their plan will work.  Urban trusts them because why shouldn't he?  Plan doesn't work.  Heads roll at halftime and shit gets fixed.

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Fatpants's picture

Perhaps. Spotting the other guy two quarters is a risky play, IMHO.

PG <3 PG

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

You forgot “week after week”

"You have to play with emotion, you can't let emotion play with you." - Ryan Day

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58Buckeye's picture

Perhaps. Spotting the other guy two quarters is a risky play, IMHO.

 It's only risky if your offense doesn't play up to their expectations. 

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CptBuckeye24's picture

Missed assignments across the board in therror 1st half. Out of position, missed tackles, and poor gap integrity. How can the players make adjustments so easily in the 2nd half and buckle down? But be so ineffective in the 1st half. Is it motivation/effort? Coaching? Scheme?

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

How many did he have in the second half?  

He also left the game injured, IIRC. 

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

3M - He did, but he was getting shut down before that. I'm not saying that means Ohio State is going to shut down Higdon, but OSU's defense made some nice adjustment. Arnette is still questionable in the backend. 

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SoulPatrol32's picture

Arnette is still questionable in the backend. 

Truth there, he’s been a pain in my ass for 3 years now.

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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WC Buckeye's picture

He reminds me SO MUCH of Marlon Kerner. I keep calling him Marlon Arnette. 

Life is full of choices. Make good ones.

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PhillyNut's picture

That is exactly the point of all of the comments. There is something askew in Columbus. This defense is not functioning as even a rebuilding defense. The mistakes that are made can be excused if the player is in the right place and makes a good effort but simply loses out. That is not what is happening. Too many players are way out of position, too many are being sloppy with their tackling and few are showing the level of fight that we are used to seeing and that does not take being a veteran player. The issues that we are seeing are not what you would expect in a rebuilding year. If the players got it and were simply learning then we would see progress by the 11th game but we are not.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Fatpants's picture

It all points back to coaching.

PG <3 PG

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

Smells like 2013, don't it?

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Fatpants's picture

Exactly. We're all standing around wondering why the defense can be playing so poorly, almost like the front four and back seven are running two separate defenses. And wondering why future first round pick Bradley Roby can be a such a non-factor.

PG <3 PG

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kmp10's picture

I think that's the easy answer, Fat, and I don't necessarily agree. I can't fathom that Greg Schiano is suddenly in over his head. It doesn't make any sense. It's more reasonable, I think, to believe that the players aren't as good as advertised. Now, there's certainly a lack of player development to hang on the coaches, and Alex Grinch has really disappointed, imo, but maybe these players all emerged at the same time, with the same tepid interest in being great, and with similar limitations physically and it finally caught up with the program. You could play Tuff Borland when Chris Worley and Jerome Baker were there to cover for Borland's weaknesses, but when Malik Harrison and Pete Werner are around him his flaws are exacerbated. When Denzel Ward was a lock down corner it made everyone's job in the defense backfield easier, but sans a CB with that kind of talent, weaknesses are pronounced for every other player back there. Billy Price, Jamarco Jones, and Brandon Bowen made everyone else better. Jordan/Knox/Pridgeon are significant downgrades. They're all in it together, so there's plenty of blame to go around. I'm not at all dismissing the coaching failures this year, but I think Greg Schiano is the same guy he always was... the players, however, are not as good. I think YTown's point has merit. 

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Kangarooman's picture

I agree with all your points but I think something that has changed is how the coaches have handled underperforming players. We didnt see White until they were forced to play him. Why cant we just see what the players behind Borland and Werner can do? Id bet the house Keandre Jones is an upgrade over Werner. Why hasnt Jordan been shuffled back to guard?

The rotation has been inexcusable, and it's a complete 180 from how Urban operated when he arrived.

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UAGoldenbear84's picture

This team is also lacking a vocal leader to be THAT guy who handles underperforming players before the coaches.  

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

Oh.  I didn't realize you were on the field and in the huddles to know that.

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Kangarooman's picture

Hey, man. This team is loaded with 4 and 5 stars. If a guy underperforms, there's a very good chance that the next man up could be better :).

See: White > Pryor AND Wint

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UAGoldenbear84's picture

Again....it's what I see.  An opinion.  What's your problem?

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Fatpants's picture

I’m not saying any of the coaches (outside of Billy) are bad, but maybe they disagree on scheme, maybe grinch and Schiano were never meant to coach together. Maybe Meyer’s health is making him check out somewhat and isn’t as engaged as he should be. 

PG <3 PG

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Sometimes the whole is actually less than the sum of the parts. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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stxbuck's picture

I agree with this analysis.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

A little bird at Dubgate told me that all the second half adjustments have been Schiano. And this season has been a tale of two halves. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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RollRedRoll's picture

If that’s true Navy, maybe we need to try letting Schiano make the first half decisions and we should be good to go.

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Kangarooman's picture

So the coaches are letting Grinch decide the scheme and come up with the plan going into the game? I find that a little hard to believe...

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Kentuckeye's picture

Sorry for the double question Navy.  It looks like Kangarooman thinks and types more quickly than me.

How firm thy friendship

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Afonzai's picture

Is it, my question is....What role did Schiano really have when Urban was not around at the beginning of the year and first three games? Did he take on more head coaching role to help out Day? If so, did he hand over the reigns to Grinch for our Defense? What was the coaching staff like when Meyer was gone and what effect did it have, is still having, on the defense?

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I didn't mean to imply that.  I don't know exactly who's coming up with the gameplan and calling the first half.  Just repeating what I heard from someone with more access than me.  The adjustments we've been seeing in the second half were coming from Schiano.

I'm wondering if Day and Schiano shouldn't swap places with the guys in the booth on game days.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Kentuckeye's picture

So is the takeaway from that that Grinch is making the game week and 1st half plans and then Schiano has to come in and clean it up at halftime?  It has with certainty been a tale of two halves and I get it with the prospect that Schiano leaves for something after this year (or any other year he's on staff) that maybe the plan was to let Grinch get some experience in game planning, but that Schiano has had to come in a fix it at half.  But if that is correct, and I have no idea if it is, that's not very promising, especially in combination with the weak safety play.  Could be reading more into your post than is really there, but either way, Beat Michigan!

How firm thy friendship

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chris's picture

42 is still too much. We gotta be better this weekend. All I care about is celebrating around 4 on Saturday.

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fishleehooker's picture

He only started one other game and had 200 yards. He now averages 250 a start, up from 200.  Including OT.  Something is F'd on D though. 

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

Something is F'd on D though. 

Greg Schiano has his head coaching gig last year and it got taken away.  Coincidence he's sucked this year?  

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Hondo's picture

And he was bypassed for acting HC during Urban's suspension with the nod going to someone having no head coaching experience. Dissension?

The Browns are no longer the worst franchise in all of professional sport.

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allinosu's picture

I think Day being in charge MIGHT have been a problem also.

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CptBuckeye24's picture

Sheffield, Arnette, and Fuller were all starters last year or played very heavily in the rotation. The lack of experience doesn't account for their woes this year.

LB? Maybe but Borland and Harrison also played significant snaps last year.

DL? Jones is a returning starter. Cooper played sparingly and Young played for a bit. Same with Landers.

The D has had most of their starters and key guys play heavy snaps last year. They have some experience back there.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Ive been as hard as anyone on Urbz and in recent weeks Ive felt bad about complaining. He really is a great coach and hes prolly doing the best coaching job of his career this year. Though I STILL think the LBs need a new coach. Jerome Baker regressed last year and now hes killing it for the Fins. The common denominator is Bill Davis there. LBs get better this is a dangerous team. Maybe not until 2019 but at least the kids are giving it all they can this season.

And oh yeah Fuck McMurphy at TTUN

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Urban Meyer doesn't fire coaches, but I think Billy Davis will most certainly be pushed out after this year. 

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

His contract is up, also.  So, that can make it an easy and painless execution.

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

Oh yeah, that fuckboi gone for sure.

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Barfolomew's picture

We just... fixed the glitch

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Jumar's picture

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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RollRedRoll's picture

Great post YTOWN, but I have to add that along with all the guys heading to the NFL on the defense the loss of Fick and Coombs is also being seen. Those two guys inspired their players to give all they had, I think we miss them more than some people realize.

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

I think we miss them more than some people realize.

Oh I realize it for sure.  We miss both of those guys in the worst way.  Our LBs and DBs were the core of the team for the time those guys have been at Ohio State going back to Fickell under Tress.

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RollRedRoll's picture

Yeah I stated that poorly, I am sure you realize how much those guys meant to the team. I was just trying to add to your original post. 

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

I thought it was a good point, actually.  I wasn't disagreeing.

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0H-10's picture

You weren't not disagreeing, too though...I think.

Great post, YTown. It had to be stated.

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UAGoldenbear84's picture

Inexperience?  Well to that I say...pretty sure that EVERYONE on this team has played the game before coming to Columbus.  From what I can see there are NO FUNDAMENTALS!  DBs....turn your head and find the ball.....one of the first things you learn.  

IMHO this team has ZERO fire....ZERO passion.  I've said it many time and I have seen others on here say the same thing.  We have a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits playing like the are ENTITLED.  The "I was the best (whatever position) in HS, I'm a 5 star waiting to go to the NFL...." attitude sickens me.  There is NO vocal, get-in-your-face leader on this team.  No...Nick Bosa was not that guy.  The more I watch Urban Meyer in pressers....or even in game interviews...he seems distant and detached.  It's time.......next man up.

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

Uh huh.  And they're fucking 10-1, bro.  So clearly it ain't all out of whack.  They sky isn't falling.

I saw a psychologist some time ago.  The most prolific thing she told me was that people are usually fucked up because they've set unrealistic expectations.  Expectations for parenthood, for marriage, for their jobs, and for their sports teams.

If you set extremely high expectations over and over again, you're going to be irrationally upset.

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PhillyNut's picture

With all due respect this 10-1 is a mirage for indicating that this team is that good. It is a 10-1 team, at least on defense, that would make a rematch with Clemson make the first time look like it was a nail biter by comparison. I am not knocking the players, this is all on the defensive coaching staff.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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UAGoldenbear84's picture

I agree Philly....but I think there is some blame on the players...they have to execute.

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UAGoldenbear84's picture

I get that they are 10-1....no need to use the F word.  I never said the sky was falling.  I'm not mad or upset....I'm a realistic fan sir.  Yes, I and most OSU fans have high expectations for our football team.  I could care less if they were 8-3 right now but put forth EFFORT and had a little bit of passion.  IMHO there is none from the top down.  I'm simply stating my opinion that I think it's time....

No need to jump all over me.  If anything YOU are the one that is mad about it....and you seem to be projecting that anger towards me.  

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

but put forth EFFORT and had a little bit of passion.  IMHO there is none from the top down.

Why don't you go in that locker room and tell those players and coaches that they aren't giving effort?  Let me know how it goes for ya.

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UAGoldenbear84's picture

It's my opinion from what I see during the game.  I don't think I'm the only one.

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Knarcisi's picture

There’s a psychologist that will see me about my mental issues about this football team?  Cool. 

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RollRedRoll's picture

Good day Knar. Man that psychologist could make a mint with the posters in the live game threads.

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RollRedRoll's picture

Not much, just getting pumped up for “THE GAME”! Going to be a good week for me, get to see my son play for a state title Friday and the bucks administer their annual beat down of TTUN on Saturday. 

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Dweinz's picture

There’s a psychologist that will see me about my mental issues about this football team?

urban was a psych major, you know.  

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Knarcisi's picture

urban was a psych major, you know.

so I can make that appointment directly with Urban?

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

The psychologist's name is Dr. Bourbon. 

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Kangarooman's picture

They recruit top tier talent and have top tier expectations to go with it. It's realistic.

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saintstephen11's picture

Saban must be "irrationally upset" a lot.

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

The more I watch Urban Meyer in pressers....or even in game interviews...he seems distant and detached.  It's time.......next man up.

The more I read your comment the more I realized you're the problem.

Watch an Urban presser from 2014.  They aren't different.

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Knarcisi's picture

Make your point, but stop attacking people that have a different opinion than you. 

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

He tipped the scales with the "next man up" bullshit.  

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Knarcisi's picture

I get it. Just seems you’re hot to trot this evening. Don’t worry, takes one to know one. 

In all honesty, 2016 was our rebuilding year if we have such a thing. This is his most talented roster. We’ve won games on talent alone. 

What Alabama is doing is skewing the expectations. We’re not them, so we’re shit, right?  Not quite, but people call it unrealistic. It’s not unrealistic when you have a program doing it right in front of your face. At least we could be their dance partner, but Clemson stole that spot. 

Go Bucks. Beat Michigan. Peace out. 

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

I mean, most of the criticism is because of what Alabama is doing.  But, the only time we've played them we beat them.  So there's that.

I'd like to know how exactly Bama is doing it, to be honest.

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RollRedRoll's picture

People won’t like it, but one of the reasons is my cat could qualify to get into all the SEC schools but Vanderbilt. 

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Zimmy07's picture

Florida is a pretty decent school academically as much as it pains me to say that.  Georgia & A&M aren’t that bad, either.

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Kangarooman's picture

I just have to say I almost always agree with you, Knarcisi.

People talk about Alabama setting unrealistic expectations, and is that true? Maybe

But isnt being as good as Clemson realistic? They seem to be a step ahead of OSU and putting more space between the two programs the past three years.

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chris's picture

As a South Carolinian, I can learn to accept Bama. Clemson is a different story.

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The Rill Dill's picture

Like, don’t tread on him, brah.

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BrutusB's picture

We've lost about the same (if not less) than Bama has over the past few years, and they seem to be doing just fine.  Maybe that's an unfair standard, but its also true.

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chris's picture

But if we were to count rings...

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58Buckeye's picture

But if we were to count rings...

Bit if you count  chickenchit Saturday... 

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chris's picture

What is chickenchit Saturday? I might be willing to count it. What is it?

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58Buckeye's picture

What is chickenchit Saturday? I might be willing to count it. What is it?

It's that 1 Saturday in November when the SEC gets it's second bye week of the season while everyone else is playing conference games. Bama had to stay home & defend itself from BigBad   The Citadel.

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chris's picture

Oh, yeah - standard scheduling needs to be regulated if we are all supposed to be competing on an even playing field. I 100% agree with that.

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Wargor's picture

And for one half, they had all they wanted.

Epic troll by The Citadel on twitter of LSU when they posted that "scoring on Bama wasn't that hard, come on LSU"

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buckzilla1's picture

Sorry, this team is not rebuilding. The "bitching" is a legit concern for most people who have watched this team of 4 and 5 star recruits not get any better. 

We are a 10-1 team that got blown out by a 5 and 6 team. In fact the total record of all the teams we have played this year to this point is 56 wins and 65 losses for an astounding  46.28 winning percentage.  These teams as it turns out are pretty lousy. We have been exposed and just plain out and out lucky to have the record we have.

I agree this has been a bad year for UFM. I think he above all would say the same thing. We have indeed just out atheled everyone this year. We don't play enough kids and expect to much when we do. Brendon White/Demario McCall are getting time now finally. Many more should be playing based on the lack of progress by a ton of starters this year and that is on the coaches. Rebuilding no. Coahing and schematics problems for sure.

The only true worry we should have about this 2019 team is this:

Why is Sevyn Banks wearing number 12?

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BeaverOhioBuckeye's picture

THIS^^^^^^^ Urban said the goal was to Be Bama and that goal has been accomplished for the most part on the recruiting trails. So no I don't see this as a rebuilding year because Alabama doesn't have rebuilding years they have reloading years where they beat your ass off. This is a lack of developing players type of year and this is all on the coaching staff. Hell I screamed all of 2013 that Von Bell should be playing over Brown and then boom he gets in the Clemson game at the end of the year and balls out. Like I have screamed that Borland, Arnette, Warner and Prince should be sat down and new guys should be worked in. I look at it like this when you lose that black stripe you're ready to go. If you don't have a black stipe and you are not cutting the mustard then you need to revaluate your talent and get the right player in there.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I tend to agree, Ytown. Go back and read all the preseason angst that some of us brought up - worried about the back 7 on defense, worried about the O line, worried about a new QB and a new center, concerns at safety.

Well, they were all valid concerns. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

You said it better than I did.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

  And what has Urban Meyer done about it?  He's gone 10-1 to this point. With all of this bullshit.  He's still gone 10-1.

Technically, YT, Ryan Day owns three of those wins. It's been a crazy 2018 season, no matter how we slice it.

Go Bucks.

Win November.

Beat TSUN.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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JasonR's picture

Fuck Michigan!

I agree with this. 

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Hovenaut's picture

YOU PEOPLE BEST SAVE SOME OF THIS RAGE FOR SATURDAY.

What the hell am I going to moderate?

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OSU_ALUM_05's picture

You can always scratch your moderating itch in a live thread during the game.  I'd imagine there will be plenty of low hanging fruit. 

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Jumar's picture

What the hell am I going to moderate?

How about axing all of the TTUN threads?

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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Hovenaut's picture

That's censorship, brother...

Axe me another question.

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Jumar's picture

That's censorship, brother..

Not during game week.

Axe me another question.

What is the over/under on jailings from the live game thread this week?

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

That's censorship, brother..

Not during game week.

Or on Fridays

Shandy is not beer

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Hovenaut's picture

Incarcerations have already started, if you can believe it.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

What is the over/under on jailings from the live game thread this week?

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"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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58Buckeye's picture

YOU PEOPLE BEST SAVE SOME OF THIS RAGE FOR SATURDAY.

What the hell am I going to moderate?

Are you new here? 

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

If your defense is so inexperienced, than why aren't the D-coaches stressing fundamentals instead of installing their LBs on the LOS gimmick  as a huge chunk of their defense?

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

Thats fair. The defensive issues are inexperience  + scheme.

Urban is a MUCH better coach than some alarmists are giving him credit for.

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

Nobody should be calling for Urban's head.  That's crazy

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Dweinz's picture

for as much as people complain about the off season, they don't seem to really enjoy the regular season either. this team, with all of its flaws, is 10-1 with a chance to beat TTUN and compete for a B1G championship. just enjoy the couple of weeks we have left

now it feels like game week

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McBane's picture

It would be better if the game was on Friday...

Just keep winning!

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

I hate you, McBane.

Anyway, yeah.  Fuck this shit, man.  We got fools complaining about how shitty our 10-1 team and we still play Michigan this week to wreck their dreams.  

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SoulPatrol32's picture

What if the game was a Wednesday day game that started at 7a.m.? I know I’d watch and love it. 

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

If that would mean no more Hump Day threads I'd be all for it

Shandy is not beer

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Gratefulbuck's picture

The game would have to start at 1am

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

What if the game was a Wednesday day game that started at 7a.m.? 

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SoulPatrol32's picture

If you were a real fan you’d watch it and love it. Of course you are a real fan so just admit it to me and let me know how right I am. 

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

Michigans down year... 8-5... our down year ... 10-1 with more to go. 

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GallowayGambleGinnWAR7's picture

I’m fine with 10-1 and a chance to cause havoc down the stretch. FWIW, I think it’s a different year and we’ll see positive changes in 2018 with staff & personnel.

I don’t see it.

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BuckeyeNationforLife's picture

The way I look at it, it has been disappointing watching the talent which Ohio State possesses play to a level which is sub-par to the level they could be on. I think that with a better coordinator and linebacker coach we would still be undefeated. But that's not the situation we are in, and it's fruitless to dawn on that until this season is over because we're not going to have a mid season coaching change.

However, I just hope that the team can realize its true potential this weekend. This team can be damn good and I still believe that. If they come out Saturday and minimalize turnovers and penalties and possibly throw some nice wrinkles into the game plan, then we will come out with a victory IMO. I reserve judgement for all Ohio State seasons until the season is finished. 2014 showed me that we as fans truly have no fucking clue what is going on within the team.

Each week Haskins looks like more and more of a leader. You can see it in his demeanor on the field - it gets me fired up just thinking about it. The same with Dobbins, he's looked like a man on a mission at times. If we can get somebody on the defense to follow suit, then we will be 12-1 heading into the postseason. Heroes are BORN in this game, and I still believe that we might see one or two players come out and prove themselves this weekend.

But, that's just my two cents.

Paralyze resistance with persistence. - Woody Hayes

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WC Buckeye's picture

_aybe this has been Urban's "long con" and he's rope-a-doping Harbaugh.... _akes ya think...

GO BUCKS. BEAT BLUE.

Life is full of choices. Make good ones.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Look, I'm a blind homer and even I've said some very nasty things to my television sets about the defense this season (as well as other aspects of the team).

The thing is, I said these nasty things to my television, in the spur of the moment, with only my dogs listening. Okay, some of the times, my buddies were in the same room, too. Or my kids overheard me using colorful language in reference to the refs or Bill Davis or whatnot.

But nobody was writing down my boring bitch phrases so that they could be posted on the internet.

Here's the thing, people . . . nobody wants to read your bitching. Reading other people's bitchy stuff is very tedious. No one disputes that you have a right to bitch on the internet. There might even be excellent reasons for why you're bitching. But even if your bitches are well-supported, we still have no interest in reading them. Do you watch movies of actors bitching about everything? Did Ernest Hemingway fill his novels with non stop bitchy dialogue?     

Look, it's perfectly acceptable - within reason - to bitch talk to your heart's content while you are sitting in your living room or a sports bar. I sure as hell do. When you're orally bitching, 98 percent of the people around you aren't really listening, anyway. And, if they are listening (selectively), to your bitchy rants, doing so doesn't take any effort. Verbal bitching is annoying, but not mentally taxing.         

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

A bitching Buckeye is a happy Buckeye. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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stxbuck's picture

Social media=having to CARE about others bitching-or something like that...............

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LCT's picture

YTOWN did you see this as a rebuilding year in September? I didn't. I saw the most talented Buckeye QB in memory, Weber & Dobbins in the backfield, veteran OL & receiver corps, Nick Bosa & Chase Young, a bunch of recruiting *s at LB and in the defensive backfield.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

Honestly?  I didn't have super high expectations for the year.  As much as JT made my skin crawl at times with his weenie arm, there was consistency there.  I had no clue what we were going to get this year.

O-line concerns for sure, QB concerns because he was unknown to that point, and the defense was bare with the exception of the d-line.

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saintstephen11's picture

we have 99 problems but the QB ain't one.

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LCT's picture

Fair enough. I thought this was The Year, man. The stars had aligned right and all this Recruiting! was gonna pay off. Us & Alabama, clash of titans.

As it stands, it didn't work out that way & we'll send another bunch of players to the NFL. Good season (pending), not great.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

we'll send another bunch of players to the NFL.

a bunch?

"You have to play with emotion, you can't let emotion play with you." - Ryan Day

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LCT's picture

I would guess so. I'd have to look at the roster but I bet 8 Buckeyes get drafted next April, maybe more.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Maybe so, maybe not. Either way, and not intentionally slighting anyone, the level/quality of the draftees will pail in comparison to recent years. Underlying issue, like many posters I too shudder to think who’s available on the pine behind several current starters. 

"You have to play with emotion, you can't let emotion play with you." - Ryan Day

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Go back to the preseason threads and polls on the site. Many expressed concerns about  the Back 7 on defense, the O line not being nailed down, and having a new QB/Center. 

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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BeatMeechigun's picture

I think some are underestimating the Smith saga big-time.  Back in August many were predicting 3 losses SIMPLY because of that mess.  Heck, for a while we weren't even sure if Urban would still be our coach.  Tremendous stress on him before the season even started, coupled with missed opportunity to be present with the team.  That mess alone, it's a miracle we sit at 10-1.

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Buckeyeball043's picture

Don't be a bitch.

I agree.

"I am El Guapo...the handsome one."

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

I know I'm not sulking or bitching about not scoring enough points.  As long as there is a W.  However, I do like pointing out things that need to be fixed

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Doc's picture

Tl;dr

Fuck TTUN

Go Bucks!

“Ain’t life grand when you finally hit it!”  DLR

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TheBigCat's picture

So when does Alabama rebuild?  They seem to do OK in "rebuilding" years.

And technically this team has more talent than that Bama team this hear, how's that working out for us?  And Bama seemed to do OK with sitting Sheffields ass on the bench.

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

We're 10-1.  Is not not "OK" enough for you?

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TheBigCat's picture

Then we need to stop comparing ourselves to Alabama, or even Clemson at this point.

Urban said when he got here we were comparing ourselves to Alabama, he set the benchmark.

Is 10-1 better than most, sure.  Would a lot of teams trade for that, sure.  But we have the second best coach in the nation with essentially unlimited resources to do what he needs to do.

So no, getting curb stomped by Purdue isn't good enough.  Getting curb stomped by Iowa isn't good enough.  Getting curb stomped by Clemson in prime time isn't good enough.  

Getting beat in a close game now and again is one thing.  Urban gets paid to not let that shit happen.

So in summary, no, the last few seasons haven't been good enough.  

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The Rill Dill's picture

He only gets paid about $150,000.00 per week, 52 weeks per year. What do you expect, better results?

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silverbullet71's picture

If I am being honest, beginning of the year I was prepared for a 4 loss season. I thought losses to both Michigan schools, Penn State and TCU were real possibilities. That was before the Smith drama and Bosa injury

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stuckupnorth's picture

You should burn a candle to urban and set up a shrine.

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bd2999's picture

10-1 is a very good year. No question. I am not sure about the rebuilding. The offense has been mostly pretty darn good. The defense needs some work. That is the rebuilding thing for me. I am hoping that they improve going into next year.

They have for sure lost quite a bit to the drafts. And that has hurt but it is the nature of the beast. Other schools deal with it, just feels like OSU has it a bit more in many respects.

Usually, the more second tier schools have guys stay more and longer, not always. And it depends on their motivations. How much they want to go for a title or whatever. It varies. I would love it if guys went to OSU and stayed for four years but it makes recruiting a bit harder.

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MyaBucks609's picture

i just wish we didnt  get blown out by purdue, i could have dealt with a close loss

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Dgeneral's picture

Yes it is down year with the talent level on the field.

No way in hell should this program EVER have 2 poor LBs starting like Werner and Borland.

Same with starting Pryor until he was replaced. The drop off from Bosa to Cooper is enormous. Cooper has done nothing.

Sheffield and Arnette are just not very good despite what fans believe.

The Oline is inconsistant- Pridgeon and Prince are way too erractic.

The past 4 years yielded 20+ NFL starters and some elite stars. There is not one sure fire NFL starter this year except maybe Jones and Young. Thats a huge dropoff in talent we are used to seeing.

Dgeneral

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Zimmy07's picture

I think prior to 2014 Ohio State has only given up 49 points only once in my lifetime.  It happened twice this year & once each of the previous 2 years.  

That’s what grinds my gears 

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BuckFanInRichmond's picture

I know most folks are really upset about our defense, especially after Saturday. I totally undestand and agree why. However I found it quite interesting how Pro Football Focus gave its game grades for the game. Their ratings had 7 of our top 10 performers from the defense and had Borland rated one of our very best performers. They also had Knox rated as the only offensive lineman in the top 10 group. I found that very interesting that Borland on D and Knox on the O have been 2 players most heavily criticized all year. FYI, They did have Haskins the highest rated player, at an almost elite level.

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

Let's rebuild this thing on the bones, ashes, and tears of the weenies then.

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tcm1968's picture

While I agree it was going to be a rebuilding year on some level you still have to build with the right materials. I don't see any point in grooming guys like Borland and Werner to be three year starters. That's a freaking band-aid that hurts the rebuild. Some of these Freshman linebackers should have been seeing MAJOR snaps in these games. We can't go into the spring with the same linebacker group...

Go Bucks!

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Crumb's picture

I think this year was a reloading year. I think next year will be a rebuilding year. 3 new OL, new HB, 2 new WRs, 1 new RB, probably new QB, new nose tackle, new CB, maybe new safety too. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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Kangarooman's picture

Yeah. Us saying this was supposed to be a rebuilding year is wishful thinking. We lose a lot after this year.

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Bolt's picture

I can appreciate your sentiment here, we should take a step back and appreciate that this is what a down year looks like under Urban Meyer at Ohio State. However, I can say that and still be pretty dissatisfied with the defense. We're recruiting top 5 or better annually and the other schools that recruit like that aren't seeing significant defensive drop-offs. 

There have been 15 (FIFTEEN!!!!) draft picks from the last 3 years on the defensive side of the football.  And yet, here people sit, thinking this defense should be world beaters.

No, I don't expect them to be world beaters...but I expect them to be Purdue beaters. Or Maryland beaters. Or Nebraska beaters. Or any other pretty damn bad football team whose offense our defense has made look like world beaters. The offense has bailed the defense out all season. The offense has maintained an elite level. The defense is probably the worst I can recall in my lifetime at Ohio State. I truly can't think of any worse. We've had plenty of rebuilding years since I've been alive and I don't think I've seen a defense look this porous and this lost. I keep waiting for something to click because there's just too much talent on that roster to keep playing like this. We're at the end of the season, this isn't Baron Browning and Pete Werner's first action anymore. I know we'll be fine in the long run, but I don't feel confident in the group today.

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scarletgray's picture

This whole thread needs blown up after we beat Michigan. I don't care how bad we looked 11 and one with a win over 10 and 2 Michigan is a great season and 13 and one with bumbling stumbling wins over northwestern and Washington state won't make the Purdue loss any easier to take but it also won't change the fact that we had a successful season..unfufilling for some but successful non the less

JDK

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BuckIDave's picture

A 10-1 record going into the Michigan game, playing for the B10 East Division title, should not be considered a rebuilding year. 

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Doug James's picture

Rebuilding year:  tell that to Dixon, Campbell, McClaurin, Hill, Weber

They ALL came back and I'm sure they didn't think this was a rebuilding

F OFF

DJ

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216ToThe614's picture

"Show me a gracious loser, and I'll show you a busboy."  - Wayne Woodrow Hayes

Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
WB

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Worthington Buck's picture

Team is going to be worse next year...

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scarletgray's picture

You wait 11 weeks and then deem us in a rebuilding year? If you need excuses then find a better one than that.

JDK

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KBonay's picture

Bama had 12 players drafted last year. 4 in the first round. Ohio State had 7 total  

In last 10 years Bama has had 65 NFL picks while Ohio State has had 56  

Bama is going to it’s 5th Playoff, having won 2 and overwhelming favorite this year. Ohio State has been twice, with one Championship  

So if we are ‘rebuilding’ when is Bama? Rebuilding is a poor-mans excuse for a shitty season.  We have an equal amount of talent year in and year out (check recruiting rankings past 5 years). It’s time to admit that this team has underperformed and has not been coached up to their potential. 

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Crumb's picture

Dead center take!

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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lljjgg's picture

I agree with you KBonay. Even if people argue that Alabama is on a different level, which is fair, how do people explain Clemson? Clemson doesn't recruit on the same level as OSU (outside of perhaps the 2019 class which hasn't arrived yet), in fact no one has except for Alabama and Georgia recently, and yet they are consistently better than OSU the last five years. I think rebuilding is a poor excuse for a team that has underperformed, or perhaps more accurately has been undercoached this year.

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KBonay's picture

Agreed. Maybe our coaches need to spend less time recruiting and more time coaching? Or maybe that’s not it at all. Maybe these coaches are not matching style with talent? You can’t argue that, across the board, we are as talented as any team in the country. We are just underperforming. And at certain positions we seem to have anchors that are pulling units down as a whole. I find it very hard to believe the younger talent on this team can’t outperform the product on the field. Brendan White being a prime example. 

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

You can look at it as a cycle too. Recruit, get the talent - coach em up - kick ass, I mean win - cycle begins again, but recruiting should be “easier” if you win or maybe in our case, send em to NFL....but can’t let the foot off the gas in the “coaching” part. 

Either way couldn’t agree more about the younger guys. 

"You have to play with emotion, you can't let emotion play with you." - Ryan Day

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Bratwurstcapitalbuckeye's picture

The fact that we bitch about this kind of season is the reason Ohio State football is the monster that it is. We Ohioans demand excellence from the team and coach. We are always realistic, but the expectations are high so the results are amazing. It's what sets us apart from other schools. It's the same deal with Kentucky or Indiana basketball, or the NY Yankees. They demand excellence and do what it takes to achieve it. So, we bitch, for the love of our team. Go Bucks!

Go Bucks!

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Scarlet_Buckeye's picture

Bro, this is Ohio State.  There is no (should be no) "rebuilding year".  The bar/expectations have been raised (set).

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31BBuckeye's picture

Well fucking said

Lets beat the shit outta these bitches!!

31BBuckeye

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RedQueenRace's picture

When you are 11 games into the season and still making the same mistakes and have the same issues as in game 1 the problems cannot be ascribed to 'rebuilding.'

OSU's defense is 9th in the B1G and gives up about 11 yards per game less than Rutgers. And the OSU defense does not have to play the OSU offense.  The OSU offense is largely the reason this team is 10-1.

People aren't bothered by there being a drop-off.  It's the magnitude of the drop-off relative to the supposed talent level, along with little to no improvement shown over the course of the season, that is the concern.  This isn't the first time an OSU defense has had to 'rebuild'  But it's the worst I've seen and is happening within what looks to be a pretty mediocre B1G.

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Kernfan's picture

I find it hard to call it a rebuilding year when OSU has a team with possibly the highest talent level in college.  This has really been a grossly underachieving year for the defense, and until the last couple games you could a somewhat disappointing year in the run game.  

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GunnerBuck's picture

How many draft picks has Bama had over the same time period? You want to talk about rebuilding but this is Ohio St, we reload, right? That's what's been said EVERY YEAR over the last 6 seasons.

"Rebuilding" is a poor excuse for a team who is under performing. So lets be real, this team is under performing. Despite starting 4 and 5 stars at almost ever position. You can call it under performing, it's ok. I however will call it poorly coached which is exactly what this team is, poorly coached. Out of position, over and under pursuing, horribly schemed games, poor tackling, etc. If there name isn't Hartline, Alford, Day (play calling has been iffy at times still) or Larry Johnson (though that unit hasn't been exactly lighting it up) they haven't coached well.

"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI

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ZeroDimension's picture

Im sorry I thought we reload.. we dont rebuild... JK...

But seriously.. rebuilding is not what we are doing on defense... Ill give you offense(due to o-line)... Defensive is not getting rebuilt at all... it is sprialing out of control... when you have a defense that makes old timers want to apologize to Bill Young and Mark Snyder... you are not rebuilding... You are at Rock Bottom!... 

The 10-1 record is due to a very poor schedule... when you look at the teams we have played and where they stand.. we really have MSU and PSU to hang our hat on...  TCU, OSUw, are not good.. Tulane might be one of the best teams we have played.. 

I like optimism, but you are missing some key information.. much like the people who complain that the sky is falling if we lose a reasonable game... to me... you are being selective what you want to praise.. just like they are selective in what they want to criticize..  

One Shoe

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buckeye2012's picture

If it was a rebuilding year, the team would have been getting better as the season progressed. However, they have not.

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LCT's picture

This is a good point.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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osuflacco's picture

Probably best point I have read...seriously what position has gotten better during the year?  Think of 2004 or 2014, those teams got better and better and you knew the next year was gonna be stacked bringing most of the starters, my optimism for next year is that hopefully a lot of these starters will be gone (LB and O-line specifically) and replaced with new talent.  

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sickness's picture

Think maybe all the Urban head ache..demeanor..stuff you are always hearing now is a by product of him knowing he needs to separate from his buddies (Davis and Schiano) and that is were the extra stress is coming from? I think the reaction on the sideline against Maryland was frustration from being out of position defensively. Feel more of the failures fall on poor coaching than poor players.

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Miss Walker's picture

It's a rebuilding year for Alabama, too.  

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Elks&#039; comb over's picture

^ This.

Yes Ohio State is going to have rebuilding years but they should have a much more seamless transition from year to year with the talent and coaching staff they have. You are going to have a weak spot here and there every year but this team has been full of them this year. We were one of the most penalized teams last year and are even worse this year. How does that not improve?

A rebuilding year for teams like Bama and Ohio State are much different than your typical football team that hasn’ been recruiting on the same level or have the same resources. Teams like Bama, Ohio State, Clemson, etc, are held to a higher standard currently and they should be. Ohio State should be compared to Bama and when looking at them against that peer group they have had serious issues.

“Megadeth >>> Metallica” - Alum 2019. I couldn’t agree more.

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stxbuck's picture

Excellent post. Sometimes players need a year to improve-S,LB-or just graduate-OL,CB.........................

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Dgeneral's picture

Reality of the lack of defensive talent on the field:

2015, 2016, 2017- defense gave up 20 plays of 40 yards or more. ( 40 games)

2018- defense has given up 21 plays of 40 yards or more. (11 games).

Fans are blaming the coaches. The coaches have not suddenly forgot how to coach.

The players on the field stink. Do not ever mention the word talent in the same planet with players like Werner, Borland, Sheffield, Harrison, Cooper.

Dgeneral

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OSU_JD's picture

then I don't want to hear anyone get all excited about 4-star and 5-star This Guy or That Guy, because if they're all that bad, then recruiting is worthless. 

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BuckeyeTron's picture

We don't rebuild, we reload.

Go Buckeyes!

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Nuts4MyBucks's picture

Exactly!!!! 

“SWING!....... SWING!!........ SWING!!!!!!!”

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