Looking for Volunteers Not Hostages? Ed Oliver and Major Applewhite Confrontation at Halftime.

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Fatpants's picture

Shut the fuck up and listen to your coach. 

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BayCountyBuck's picture

Agree 100%, and an outburst like that now has to be explained to front offices that may consider employing him. 

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buckzilla1's picture

Seems out of character for Oliver. Reports are that he is done at Houston after the injury and he is getting ready for the NFL. I am with you on this one. Follow the rules. He can set out if he wants to. He has done a lot for that University and that is true. He should be a leader and follow the rules or don't come on the sidelines. It could hurt recruiting for Applewwhite or it could help his coaching reputation. It will be a shit show for the media in my opinion. 

You never lose to those pricks. Ever. Ever. Urban Frank Meyer

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robocard's picture

Maybe that is why Nick decided to not be on the sideline anymore so he wouldn't be seen screaming at Schiano to stop walking the linebackers and dropping the safeties?

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Silver Sniper's picture

Terrible look for Ed there. It appears he thinks he’s above the rule. I’m glad the coach enforced it.

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scooby22's picture

i hope it costs him millions ... punk

" ... poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king, and a king ain't satisfied 'til he rules everything ..." - The Boss

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PhillyNut's picture

Agreed. The rule applies to everyone and the coach had others remove their coats as well.

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scooby22's picture

i really hope someone fat fingered this and accidentally downvoted ... since when do the players make the rules?!?!?!?!  freaking prima donnas ...

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Buck298's picture

Little did you know that Oliver has an 11W account.  

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I find myself so curious as to who was the only person to DV this. 

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KBonay's picture

New Team? 

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buckzilla1's picture

Got it. Thanks.

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You can&#039;t spell chump without UM's picture

It was 50 degrees, and he wanted to wear a jacket? Pfft. That'd be t-shirt and shorts weather here this time of year.

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GunnerBuck's picture

He's from Texas and plays in Texas... what do you expect?

As far as the incident goes, I can't see the video thanks to my work wifi but it seems a bit of both. I can understand how someone cold being told to remove a jacket (I assume not being offered an alternative?) would be irritating but I also can see Applewhite being a tight ass and stickler, especially if guys who were dressed for the game wanted/needed a jacket.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

He definitely did not need the jacket as it was, as noted, 50 degrees and he had several layers on from all appearances. I get it, it's swag and Houston probably does not get a lot of opportunities to rock jackets. Oliver will have plenty of chances, though, to be a natty dresser to and from games on Sundays. Just an immature decision. 

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82spencer's picture

50 degrees in Texas is like 20 degrees in Ohio. 

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Txsbuckeye's picture

Whoa, whoa, whoa. 48 degrees in Texas is like 20 in Ohio. Lets get that straight. 

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

It's 48 degrees here in Orlando right now... I'm pretty sure I might die.

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Seattleosufan's picture

Hope he winds up with the Jets or some other cold weather winter city. Some of these southern kids can be such babies.

Deserves got nothin' to do with it

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Buck298's picture

Or the Bears, Packers, Patriots or Cleveland. But right now my favorite destination for him might be Buffalo. 

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Cincinnatibuck's picture

They would probably let him wear a coat

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brutus0717's picture

Not knowing the entire situation, maybe I don't fault Oliver for wearing it in the first place (maybe he wasn't clear on the rule). However, once he was told to take it off and why, that should have been the end of it. The appearance of wanting to fight his coach is not a good look for prospective future employers. 

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stuckupnorth's picture

Dude is a top 10 pick regardless of what he does. This little episode is not gonna affect his draft status one bit.

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CC's picture

If you were on the fence between Oliver and Nick Bosa and you saw this vs. Nick being a "Yes sir, no sir" kind of guy it wouldn't sway your decision?  That could be a 4 million dollar difference.

Why risk it for a coat?

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Triv's picture

Jameis Winston was accused of rape his last year at FSU, as well as stealing crab legs. The NFL cares about talent, that's it. 

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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stuckupnorth's picture

Triv you right. It’s not even debatable for the most part. NFL is a buisness. They will look at it like.is this player worth the risk to make money. If the the more money outweighs the less money. Mo money wins. As you mentioned Jamesis was a complete jackass and went number 1 . What Oliver did is peanuts compared.

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I am Kirok's picture

The Winston thing also proves the NFL isn't sure what talent is.

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stuckupnorth's picture

No it doesn’t prove that. Those guys are the best in the world at evaluating talent. They may have screwed up a bit with Jamesis,Tom Brady, and Ryan Leaf. However they have hit on a good portion.The point is they thought he had talent and was willing to take the risk.He didn’t pan out like the had hoped. 

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stuckupnorth's picture

I don’t think there is a debate with Bosa and him. Bosa is the top defensive player to get drafted. If a QB don’t go first then it is Bosa more than likely. If there was any speculation then it might sway the thought process a tad bit. In the end talent trumps attitude everyday of the week in NFL. Dude is gonna end up a top 10 probably second defensive player taken regardless. That could change depending what teams neeed. Still 10 at worst.

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logamaniac's picture

Everything I’ve seen has Oliver slipping a few picks because of his size.  He’s a tweener at the next level because he’s kind of undersized as a dt. 

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stxbuck's picture

He's the same size as Aaron Donald.

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logamaniac's picture

Cool.  Aaron Donald also went in middle of the first round.  

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Mantis's picture

And yet, that doesn't make the temper tantrum the right thing to do. 

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LCT's picture

"Oliver didn't return the second half of the game. So who is right? Applewhite for making everyone including a probable top 5 NFL pick adhere to the rules or Oliver who may think Applewhite is being petty?"

It's hard to see how anyone could find fault with a head coach treating everyone equally, and Oliver walking out on his team says a lot.

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CC's picture

Remember if it goes the other way people accuse the coach of having favorites.  See Urban Meyer at Florida.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Oliver is probably still pissed he bought Herman's bag of shit and signed with a mid-major when he could have been winning national championships anywhere he chose. 

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LCT's picture

This is a fair point. I think coaches who skip out on their commitments should have to sit out a year like non-grad transfer athletes do.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Yeah, I don't know what the answer is, but I think something can be done. And, the whole you sign with the school not the coach mentality does have merit. So, I think that when there are valid points on  oth sides, there is room to accommodate a reasonable action. 

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Mosely's picture

Yeah gonna side with the coach on this one.

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BuckeyeChief's picture

Stupid rule or not, Ed doesn’t look goid doing this. There has to be more to the story.

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Hondo's picture

Applewhite is now my second favorite head coach.

The Browns are no longer the worst franchise in all of professional sport.

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TobyMagic's picture

I’m with Ed, dude gave Houston 2+ years of shine they should have never received and now he can’t stay warm? Time to file his paperwork and go get to work with little bear.. 

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PhillyNut's picture

Wrong. He is part of a team where many of the players have given their shine to the best of their abilities. Just because someone is more naturally gifted than others does not mean they have not given the same amount relative to their abilities. Team rules are team rules.

And the temperature supposedly was like 50 degrees, not subfreezing.

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TobyMagic's picture

Easy take from a community of old white dudes.. Ed Oliver should be a millionaire on an NFL roster right now.. not anywhere near the U of H

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aledyard's picture

Coach is right in this instance.

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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OSU2002Grad's picture

Ed Oliver doesn’t need to be on that sideline. He could have left school if he wanted. And probably will now. Not sure why Applewhite decided to “son” someone who is there voluntarily.

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Fatpants's picture

Because it’s believed he’s holding himself out. If you want to leave the team so you don’t get hurt before the draft, do it. Don’t hang out and pretend you’re hurt. 

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LCT's picture

Yep. Even if Oliver's hurt, the rule is the rule. Team first, especially when dealing with a guy who already has one foot out the door.

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

That fact of the matter is Ed was on the sideline and needs to follow the rules like the rest of the team. 

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Vinsaniti's picture

The coach is there to instill good order and discipline not be anyone's friend or give this guy a pass because he is a good player. Good on Major Applewhite for keeping this kid accountable. 

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JCam061588's picture

I’m actually with Ed. By all accounts he’s a team leader & the guy passed on the chance at winning titles to put on for his home school. He may be injured, but he doesn’t have to be there as Buckeye fans know all too well. On top of that, I’ve never seen a rule that treats injured players like that. 

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82spencer's picture

Agreed. You’re not allowed to wear a coat after sacrificing your body for the program? Ridiculous. 

I don't believe in no-win scenarios

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

You’re not allowed to wear a coat after sacrificing your body for the program? Ridiculous.  

Applewhite's insistence that Oliver remove the long black coat he had on as those coats are reserved for those who have dressed for the game as this is a team rule

The issue wasn't that he was wearing "a coat", the problem was that he was wearing a coat that is reserved for eligible players only

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82spencer's picture

Fair point, however I also feel that not allowing injured players to wear a certain coat is stupid and unnecessary.

I don't believe in no-win scenarios

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I think the root issue is, nobody believes Oliver is injured. So the real question is, should players faking or exaggerating injuries be able to wear the coats 

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82spencer's picture

If you have substantial evidence, they shouldn't be allowed at the game at all. If you don't have substantial evidence, you shouldn't treat them any differently.

I don't believe in no-win scenarios

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

"I want him back, I want him a part of our football team," Applewhite said. "If he wants to play, I want him to play. ... You're gonna deal with emotions all the time. And that's our job as coaches to help them and help them develop that maturity and move on, and that's my job. If he lets me help him, I absolutely will, any way I can."

I can't imagine anyone could have an issue with Applewhite's approach to this situation.  

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Well anyone other than self-entitled prima donna's that think they are above the rules

Shandy is not beer

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Buctor's picture

Who cares?

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Anyone who commented

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Buctor's picture

Thanks.  I was curious.

By the way, does that extrapolate to those that comment twice care twice as much, three times three times as much etc.?

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Wargor's picture

No.  See Diminishing Returns, Law of.

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WezBuck28's picture

You mean a top 10 pick in the NFL can't be in 50 degree weather without wearing a hoodie and a heavy coat over top of it?!? What a pu$$y /s

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I would still love him on the Browns next to Ogunjobi though!

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logamaniac's picture

I’d rather have an OT or big time/body physical WR or a Denzel Ward quality clone. 

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

This is obviously just one mans opinion, but if the Browns are able to be in a position to get Ed Oliver, that means they either have the 2nd or 3rd pick. They  would either have to trade down or go with Oliver. From everything I’ve read there’s no OT/CB being projected Top 5. I wouldn’t want them reaching there just to fill a position of need 

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logamaniac's picture

I’ve seen two OT’s projected as top 5-8 picks.  Little from ole miss and a guy from Alabama.  

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

I'd take Quinnen Williams over Ed Oliver. I believe he's more NFL ready.

I also wouldn't be objected to trading back to get Greg Little or Jonah Williams and another DT.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Williams is a stud, I would love him in the 5-10 pick range, where I believe the Browns will end up picking, but Ed Oliver is Nick Bosa level talent. In my opinion, you don't overthink it, go with Oliver. 

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I’m not saying Oliver is right or wrong for sitting out, but he should probably be removed from the team.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Generally, I'm pro player but I have a hard time believing Oliver couldn't find something else to where. At the end of the day we are talking about a coat here. Take the damn thing off Ed.

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Cincinnatibuck's picture

What we don't know is if there were other team coats available on the sidelines.  You don't see Ohio State players not dressed for games wearing their own coats on the sideline.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

That's fair, and I'm probably projecting, but man this just screams "Non issue"

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southbay's picture

It's ok, I'm sure no one will ever see that video in the Bengals' front office.

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BuckAttitude's picture

Passive/aggressive punk move by Applewhite. Instead of focusing on Xs and Os (there is a game taking place on the field), he’s worried about which players are/aren’t wearing coats?

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CC's picture

It's the culture of "team".  You let Oliver get away with it then everyone else tries and says "well Ed can do it".  The next rule they try to break will be curfew or something more serious.  Should he get away with that.

BTW - It's not passive aggressive when he gets in his face and tells him to take it off.

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BuckAttitude's picture

I doubt that any players complained to Applewhite about a lack of availability of coats. As to Applewhite getting in Oliver’s face, I admittedly didn’t watch the video. Passive/aggressive or no, it’s still a punk move on his part. If you’re pissed because you believe Oliver can play and is “bagging” it, get in his face about that. Even more to the point, ban him from the sidelines. This myth of all players being equal is only trotted out when convenient. Any reasonably thinking adult knows that’s not true. 

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Fatpants's picture

Even if Applewhite chose to enforce the rule selectively because he's pissed at Oliver, Oliver took the bigger L there when he threw a tantrum over a jacket.

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SEOBUCK's picture

shit happens bum juice

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Sanitarian2's picture

At least he's on the sidelines, supporting his teammates.

Sani

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I feel like that makes it worse. It would be different if he were injured 

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Cincinnatibuck's picture

So if he wanted to wear a coat on the sidelines what other coat was he supposed to wear?  Players that don't don't dress for the game always have on team apparel.  Could he have worn any non Houston coat that he wanted?  For everyone mentioning the weather, why have the coats out to be worn if was not cold enough to have a coat on.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

So if he wanted to wear a coat on the sidelines what other coat was he supposed to wear? 

Literally any other coat beside those big over sized trench coats designed to fit over a player wearing pads. Perhaps they only had a limited number of those so with Oliver wearing one it meant an actual player was being denied a coat that could fit over his pads.

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Cincinnatibuck's picture

Pretty sure players can't just wear literally any other coat.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Didn't think I would have to actually spell it out, but apparently I was wrong. By any other I clearly meant University of Houston sanctioned coat/outerwear/apparel.

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d1145fresh's picture

I put the blame on the university. How do you not have enough coats for everyone?

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GIBS_STI's picture

Gold jacket, green jacket, who gives a shit. /s

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I’m pretty sure this isn’t about the coats

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bucknutz18's picture

This is why you do what Bosa did.  Remove yourself as a distraction to your team and your coaches and go work for the draft.  

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

 Bosa was injured though, at worst it seems like Oliver is just a little banged up and playing it cautious. I agree though, if you are mailing it in, remove yourself from the situation. I 100% don't think that that is what Bosa did. If he weren't injured, he would be playing. 

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Wargor's picture

Kinda a false dichotomy.  Remove yourself or melt down on national TV?  How about, stay with your team, be supportive, and follow the rules?  Isn't that an option?

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Buck298's picture

Well, that’s just crazy talk. 

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

Obviously, the HC is right, and the player needs to stfu.  I guess Oliver isn't very coachable.

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elitesmithie's picture

I think jumping around pre game and then not playing is a bad look. If you are holding out for the draft then leave the team as you have mentally

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

#HotTake - Ed Oliver lasts three years in the NFL, tops. 

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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buckeyewalt's picture

I'm entitled to wear this because I'm on the team and chose not to play because I don't want to get hurt and loose$$$$$, but I'm still entitled  (yeah right)!

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