Inside the Box: Ohio State Relies on Defense to Win an Ugly Game in East Lansing

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EJKrausJr's picture

Remember the hit DH took in the Nebraska game. I suspect his throwing shoulder is only 75% healthy and his foot work is compensating for his shoulder.

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cledaybuck's picture

I don't know.  Looking at that chart, it seems to match pretty well with the quality of the competition.

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JJBuckeye's picture

Weather conditions could have had played a part in this past game performance. All three QBs struggled it seemed like passing the pigskin around on Saturday. JMO. Go Bucks

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cledaybuck's picture

giving the ball back to Ohio State with similar field position to what they would have had makes this a bad decision by Dantonio.

Huh?  I think you can debate this move either way, but field position should have been much different.  One had a punter punting deep in his own endzone under pressure.  The other has a free kick with no pressure from the 20.  One would probably expect 25-30 yard difference in field position.  I don't think Dantonio know his kicker would kick it out of bounds and give it to OSU at the 50.

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Peter C's picture

You are right.  Decisions are made on situational probabilities, not omniscience about specific future events.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Not to mention that the guy had never punted in a college game before. The Buckeyes could have had the ball inside the MSU 30 after the punt. Dantonio had a tough call to make there but to say it was a bad decision is drawing a conclusion without all the needed information (which we will never know because he didn't punt).

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SilverHaven's picture

Smart decision by Dantonio, bad execution by their punter.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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jrcarmody's picture

The Dwayne Train appears to be having mechanical issues, and receiver drops reappeared to the delight of nobody.  Glad to see Tate get some looks and the punting was great!  Was at the game - just starting to feel my toes again ... 

Chris Gamble was interfered with

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Meatchickeneater's picture

Maybe just maybe this will light a fire under Haskins butt. I don't want to hear that we should "never" run Haskins. This is college football not he NFL. Every team that is in the top 10 has a QB that is capable of running the ball effectively. We are the only team that has demonstrated that our QB will not run even if there is 6-8 yards of green in front of him (with the  exception of the run in The Game and his run Saturday that was nullified by a penalty). I know that the NFL has plenty of QB's that are pass only. That is a completely different type of game! This is CFB. There is a need to be able to run RPO's as well as scramble when the pocket breaks down. That threat alone helps to eliminate a defender disregarding everything else and hitting our backs in the backfield. I know that I will get down voted for giving this point of view but I honestly feel that as good as DH is based on his arm strength he becomes a liability if he chooses not to run. He has demonstrated that he can run faster than C3PO. (look at the run in The Game last year.) 

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Keze's picture

I agree ..Haskins needs to run at least some. If Urban playing Tate was to send a message to Haskins to run and run without sliding 5 yards before a defender or Tate will see the field more than I am all for that.

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brutus0717's picture

Agree with everything. Just want to give a friendly reminder (PSA) that an RPO is not a quarterback run, the read option is.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Dillon G's picture

He is pressing just a little bit. He missed a few against Purdue and Nebraska as well. He will be fine in the last 2.

#walkaway

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Keze's picture

Ugly? what do you expect from a cold and windy game against one of the top defenses.

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BuckZealot's picture

Big Ten football at its best!  I didn't start shivering until the fourth quarter......but we were pulling away by then so who cares!  Go Bucks!

Enjoy the wins over *ichigan, ....I still remember the dark days of the 1990's....

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danmas's picture

I disagree with the criticism of Dantonio taking the safety there.  His third or fourth string punter or his place kicker?  Which do you want to flip the field.

It didn't work out because said kicker kicked it OB and we started at the 50 instead of the, say, 35.  

If he punts with that not-so-good punter, I think OSU starts around the MSU 35, or closer. (You have to bring the gunners in to block when you punt from your goal line.) Statistically speaking, giving up two points for 30-35  yards of field position (roughly) is roughly a wash.  

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QBYBuckeye's picture

Dantonio made a very good and very gutsy call with the intentional safety. The decision was based on what our offense had been doing against his defense up until that point in the game, as well as who he had punting the ball.  They were still within a field goal and only one Buckeye defensive breakdown from taking the lead. 

Anyone questioning that call now is depending on a whole bunch of information that was not available at the time of the call - in other words, they are cheating.

New York Buckeye

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bd2999's picture

I suppose, but I did not think it was a great call at the time. Given OSU was going to get the ball with good field position and could potentially just pin them back again. I did not think that pinned but was skeptical of it. The kick off out of bounds of the free kick was devestating. Getting the ball at the 50...I was unaware of that rule.

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SilverHaven's picture

Hind sight is 20 / 20.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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CowCat's picture

Dantonio will always have 1 or 2 intentional plays up his sleeve. He does it every year.

This year it was the throw out of the reverse that failed. Then he thought an intentional safety would be a good idea. The safety does delay the game (Tresselball), but you are handing the ball back to a superior offense and giving them points.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

The fact that Chrisman is not BIG Special Teams Player of The Week is baffling. SMH!

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BuckZealot's picture

Ohio State against the world.

Enjoy the wins over *ichigan, ....I still remember the dark days of the 1990's....

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stantmann's picture

I'm guessing it has something to do with his 4 yard punt. Shortest in OSU history.

"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra

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BuckNutChicago's picture

Ugly wins count too.

Clemson goes on the road and wins by 20.  LSU goes on the road and wins by 7.  Georgia wins at home by 17. Oklahoma wins at home by 1.  

Our Buckeyes win by 20 on the road... and it seems the general consensus is that the sky is still falling.   Yes, it took all 4 quarters to win by that margin, but football is a 4 quarter game.  We won by 20!  Winning by 20 on the road should be cause for joy.  It is a thing of beauty!

Go Buckeyes!!!

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bucknutz18's picture

Haskins doesn't like getting hit.  It's why he refuses to tuck and scramble and why he is unwilling to step into throws against pressure and deliver a strike while taking a hit.  Unfortunately for him, that is a critical flaw among pocket passers in the NFL.  He has a few games to show scouts he's willing to hang tough and make the difficult throw or that first round grade he has in his head might not come to fruition.  

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IBleedSandG's picture

I made the comment to my dad during the game that Haskins footwork was awful at times. Hopefully Day has noticed and can work with him to clean it up.

#GrindFor9

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buckeyepastor's picture

The passing game was down in terms of completion percentage, yards per catch, and just looking impressive.  But while Haskins failed to follow through on several balls, and receivers dropped several balls, I don’t think either have forgotten how to do what they did most of the year.  I do think DH misses Austin Mack.  Mack was his security blanket. 

Lets keep some perspective here.  A “bad game” for Haskins is well over 200 yards, completing just over 60%, and no interceptions.  Dixon dropped a very nice throw on a crossing route.  McLaurin had a TD pass Stripped away from him.  Haskins missed on a number of open receivers and at times threw bullets on balls that called for a lighter touch.  But he also buried the ball through very tight coverage a number of times right into the receivers’ frames.  

The run game’s second half stats were excellent, given the competition.  

Right now, I think what makes us most vulnerable against TTUN is that for what feels like months, we have started off very slowly.   We have rebounded well in the second half (TCU, PSU, NEB, MSU, even against Purdue we seemed to be playing better out of the half until the 4th quarter collapse).  We can’t wait 2 quarters to start clicking against them.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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NOBLUE's picture

so much for the shit talk about Haskins being one and done after receiving the Heisman ....so him and Tate will fight it out next season ...or not...??

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ronaprhys's picture

Haskins has seemed to be up and down.  Receiver drops aren't helping, nor is the line allowing folks to get to him.  This is part of his maturation process.  When he first started to get pressure (psu) he seemed to fall apart then get things pulled back together.  Much of the same seemed to happen during this game.  Sure, he had some sailed passes, but those drops, tho.  

Two things seem to matter for him.  The first is rhythm.  The second is a clean pocket.  Unfortunately, the second is going to be harder to come by over the next two weeks - but the running game slowly picking up will certainly help.  

'97 - Molecular Genetics

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McGrind's picture

yea he has that basketball streak shooter mentality thing...hits a few and not hacked keeps drawing threes...needs some time with ‘Bron to learn to score when hammered all the time. 

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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JJBuckeye's picture

I think our offense plays better with uptempo. Earlier in the year I thought we did this regularly, unless it was just me watching the reruns on BigTen in 60. Go Bucks

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OSUBias's picture

Go back and watch the TCU game. Haskins has always been bad stepping into a throw when he’s pressured. It just was less noticeable because he completed them more often and we were so busy yelling online about the defense and oline. He is still a special QB, but he could use another year of polishing those weaknesses. 

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Ocbucks's picture

Almost no passes thrown with air where the receiver is in stride running downfield and can adjust. This is a great skill Haskins has and we have receivers that can come down with it. Most passes were fastballs on a hitch or slant route which are hit or miss. We need to take advantage of Haskins and our recievers and allow them to make plays.

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bonebuck's picture

I would so much love that if Urban Meyer has enough balls to play the triple option with Dobbins/Tate and Webber and a leading TE on short yardage all day long. That play is unstoppable!!!

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Urban Cowbuck's picture

Spring it on them at the Michigan game. Those Scum defensive ends will be sucking for air by the second quarter. Think JT Barrett 2015 against Hairballs 1st squad. We gassed em. They will prepare for a pocket passer then Bam!

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Urban Cowbuck's picture

I never played QB, but when a QB doesn't like to get hit or easily gets the yips in the pocket. Is that something that can be worked on or corrected? , or is it just how they will always be and hope and pray you can build up an offensive line that keeps him upright.

Urban Cowbuck

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