Wake Up People, Stop Comparing This Team to the '14 Team, It's Embarrassing.

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LCT's picture

Go Bucks, Michigan Sucks

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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Defiance's picture

Loves

Calm

Talk

on a Friday morning to boot.

Interesting that L B U posts a thread that starts with praise for your and my favorite LB coach, The GR8 Billy Davis.

I'd have a hard time arguing with the majority of the points made though.

In the words of everyone's favorite 3 letter username:

Go Bucks, The Whole Damn State of Michigan Sucks (MSU included!)

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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LCT's picture

Oh yeah....no disputing LBU's points. Go Bucks, Michigan Sucks is always appropriate. Good times & bad.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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VanillaStache's picture

That regular session was good. All-time regular session. 

"Let me quote the late great Cornel Sanders, I'm to drunk to taste this chicken"

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Mario_P's picture

They obviously took all their practice sessions very seriously too.

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LB U's picture

Autocorrect was like, "I think you mean regular session.. yeah let me fix that for you"

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VanillaStache's picture

Ducking autocorrect

"Let me quote the late great Cornel Sanders, I'm to drunk to taste this chicken"

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

Every damn time. I wish I could get an adult phone that allows me to speak as such. 

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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Bucks2K18's picture

Who's comparing it? I may just not be paying attention, but I haven't seen any comments comparing 2018 to 2014

That's a Buckeye touchdown!

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Buckeye06's picture

People were complaining weekly about Fickell coaching our linebackers and our defense "sucking"

People complained weekly about CBs not turning their heads when Coombs was still here

OSU OL wasn't seen as a dominant unit until after the MSU game in 2014

Did you see the run defense by the 2014 unit in November that year? They gave up 100 yard rushers like it was their job.  MSU had 175 yards, Minn had 200+ yards, Indiana had 275+ ALL IN NOVEMBER.

I won't stop comparing this team to 2014 because in 2014 before the MSU game, we were in the exact same position.  We looked like a good, not great team.  We went to MSU, took control of that game, and that truly propelled us into the national title discussion.

You are looking at the facts with 20/20 vision. Everything looks good now with the national title as the end game.  In 2014 we struggled to stop the run badly for much of the season against average teams.  

I don't like really comparing the teams, but people who ignore the deficiencies that team had for much of the season are blind too 

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Yeah I never really got how in a mere 4 years people started thinking of the 2014 team as being dominant all year. There was much complaining that year. Just like every year. Every. Single. Year. Wonder if that says more about the team or the fans? Hmm...

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stuckupnorth's picture

The 2014 got better every week. The 2014 team didn’t set records for big plays given up. 2014 there was reason to have some hope. They improved. The coaching was head and shoulders better.There were NFL players all over the field.To compare this years team to 2014 is ludicrous.2014 there were a lot of 20-40 point wins. They took care of buisness.They didn’t allow lesser teams to hang with them. OSU laid the pipe that year after the VT game. 

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Byaaaahhh's picture

My point is that even the 2014 team isn't the 2014 team. Not the one a lot of people choose to remember, anyways.

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Buckeye06's picture

Did they get better every week?

In November, they had stinkers at home against Indiana and @Minnesota and allowed a bad Michigan team to stay in the game for 3 1/2 quarters

There are NFL players all over the field for OSU right now too.  We don't know who all of them are yet because we aren't 3-5 years in the future.  

20-40 point wins don't mean anything if they are against nobodies.  Cincy, Kent St., Maryland, Rutgers, Illinois were our 20+ point wins during the regular season.  This year it's Rutgers, Oregon St., Tulane, Indiana. 

I mean people just want to harp on this team.

Hell, the more I look at it the more the comparisons make MORE SENSE.  That season changed at MSU just like this one could 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

2014 there were a lot of 20-40 point wins. They took care of buisness.

Yes, the 2014 team beat Kent State by 66, UC by 22 (and gave up 28 points in the process), Maryland by 28 (gave up 24 points), Illinois by 41 and Rutgers by 49.  Every other game until the Big Ten CCG was between 7-15 points. 2014 had five wins by between 20-40 points.

2018 has four wins by 20+ points, three of which were by 40+.  Oregon State (46), Rutgers (49), Tulan (43), and Indiana (23).  And the win against Minnesota was by 16, which is a three-score win. 

There is almost no difference in their wins on a game by game basis through this point in the season. You can say the 29-point road loss to Purdue is worse than the 14-point home loss to Va Tech, but it's a difference of two scores of which you can attribute one to being on the road. And the 2014 Va Tech team was nowhere near as talented offensively as 2018 Purdue.

I would say the comparison between 2014 and 2018 OSU is valid, so far.  This weekend will let us know if still holds true.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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oztintacius's picture

That team looked like crap the week before Michigan against Indiana. People do forget that, and Michigan wasn't very good and made it a 4Q game.

I still believe, to this day, that the team losing their teammate that week had a huge part in turning that group into the physical destroyer of anything in their path. They did not play that level of football all season until the Wisconsin game. When you out-physical Wisconsin and Alabama, that's effort.

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LB U's picture

I'm not ignoring those downfalls. I vividly remember thinking that we had a really good team, but probably not good enough for a championship because of our weaknesses. That's completely different than this year.

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Buckeye06's picture

You actually are

I took almost every one of your points in the OP and stated how people were asking the SAME EXACT QUESTIONS at this time in 2014

Fickell/Davis

Coombs/Taver

OL question marks

Etc. Etc.

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LB U's picture

Not comparable.. Sorry it's just not. You're undermining how bad this teams problems are.

But hey, if Bill Davis ends up proving to be not just a great Coach, but a great Head Coach someday (never going to happen) and Taver ends up being the greatest secondary coach in tOSU history, and goes to the NFL because of how elite he is (never going to happen) then one day I'll come back and agree with you. Until then, stop.

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Buckeye06's picture

I mean it's obviously not just me. Look down at the other posters pointing out the exact same things I did.  

You're the one making hot takes.  You're doing it again

You are looking at Luke Fickell TODAY

You are looking at Coombs TODAY 

In 2014, Gareon Conley was so bad he got pulled after one series in the MSU game.  He ended up being a first rounder.  

You are using reasoning that you have TODAY to justify things from 4 years ago. 

You need to stop 

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Was it not Luke Fickell in 2013 who had to stand up in front of a room full of media and say something to the effect of, "well, didn't we win the game?" In regards to how poorly the defense was playing at that point?

There is a comparison to be made.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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luckynutz's picture

Taver Johnson coached some pretty good DB units in his first stint at OSU. Why do people forget that?

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Sanantonefan's picture

The big thing about 2014 is that after Braxton went down, there were zero expectations for that team. There was no pressure and, although we did complain as you pointed out, we did not expect the team to go anywhere.

This year is different. We expected them to make the playoffs from the get-go. The team has not lived up to our lofty expectations.

Our results from 2014 and now have been similar, but our expectations are not. I also don't see the emotional, fiery leadership this year, but we can still go up to East Lansing and play well and perhaps get on a roll.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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brutus0717's picture

Great point. I would argue our expectations of this team are the RESULT of the 2014 team and the National Championship.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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rkylet83's picture

- Bill Davis is coaching our linebackers

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Hovenaut's picture

Aside from the same record at this point of the season, these two squads are nothing like one another.

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

That's not entirely true Hove, in 2014 there was a weekly crusade to fire coaches. That's exactly like 2018.

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Hovenaut's picture

The 11W performance has remained passionate, consistent...

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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brutus0717's picture

Those ARE two words that you could use to describe things around here...

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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neo's picture

Were you watching the same games in 2014 that I was?

Everyone's memory of 2014 just isn't correct if they suggest we were that dominant outside of the final 3-game stretch.

Here's a reminder of what really happened:

In Week 9 of 2014, we gave up 37 points to MSU and won 49-37 on the absurd play of JT Barrett & Devin Smith. 37 was the most points we gave up that year.

In Week 10 of 2014, we beat unranked Minnesota 31-24. Were we THAT dominant?

In Week 11, the next week, we needed 3 TD outing from Jalin Marshall to come back and beat unranked Indiana after being down 20-14 in the 3rd quarter. Were we that spectacular? Oh, and remember, Indiana finished that season 3-8. 3-8, guys. Tevin Coleman ran for 230 yards and 3 scores on us.

In Week 12, we beat unranked Michigan 42-28 after losing JT.  Michigan was 5-7 to finish the year, and we were tied LATE in the 3rd quarter.

The Big Ten Championship, and of course the playoffs, were dominant. Of course, as you recall, we were underdogs in the Big Ten Championship Game, Alabama, and Oregon.

Pretending the Buckeyes were dominant and growing every week after VT isn't correct. Go back and watch the season. However, they turned it on at the end and it was glorious. 

People also act like Zeke was Zeke all of 2014. That he was the cocky Buckeye we all know and love. Or that Michael Thomas was the same brash, bold WR all season as he was against Alabama. Did this team really display that against Minnesota when we won 31-24? No, they didn't. The jury is out on how much fight this 2018 team has, but to say they don't have it at all - using 2014 as a reference point - is a poor comparison.

I'm not saying this team WILL turn it around, but I am absolutely saying it is not out of the question that they can.

"Let's beat the shit out of Michigan. Have a good night." - UFM

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youra6's picture

You're right there were some iffy games in 2014. However, its futile to say this team will turn around. Losing to Purdue by 29 points and narrowly beating the worst Corn team in nearly a century are clear indicators that this team is not very good.

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cledaybuck's picture

I would take the Nebraska team right now over last years Nebraska team (or probably any of the Riley Nebraska teams).

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GIBS_STI's picture

I think what's interesting to note. Is we've played a lot of first year or 2nd year coaches with a different playbook. granted there's a season to watch, but obviously coaches don't show their hand every game. What Ohio State is never good at, especially on defense is when something is thrown at us we haven't seen on tape we completely shit the bed and adjust at the half. First year coaches have given us fits. PJ Fleck, Brohm 2nd year but 1st time we played him, Scott Frost who I would consider a genius in the option game. Just my thoughts.

Fortune favors the bold.

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cledaybuck's picture

I think Nebraska has just improved quite a bit over the season.  Their last three games are the close on with us, beating Minnesota badly, and an OT loss to NW.  Helps they are not starting a walk on QB anymore either.

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

Interesting theory, and you may be on to something, but this doesn't explain OSU getting taken to the woodshed by 40th year Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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GIBS_STI's picture

That’s true. That game blows my mind. I like to put things in perspective and give the benefit of the doubt. We blew it in that game. And the Purdue game was a perfect storm we walked right into that bandsaw. Wario and Urban are familiar with each other which is why I feel this game will be close. 

Fortune favors the bold.

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neo's picture

Maybe, but then again, we lost by 2 scores at home to a 6-6 Virginia Tech team in 2014.

It's fine to disagree, but to say it's impossible an Urban Meyer Ohio State team can flip a switch and dominate - historically - just isn't correct.  Fact is, we just did it last year when we dismantled MSU, beat Michigan, won the Big Ten, and destroyed USC. 

Again, I'm not saying they will figure it out, and I wouldn't be shocked if we lost to MSU and Michigan based upon how we played in this middle stretch this year. With that said, I'm going to choose to be optimistic.

Don't forget - we were underdogs to Wisconsin in the 2014 Big Ten Championship.

"Let's beat the shit out of Michigan. Have a good night." - UFM

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USMC11917's picture

The only thing giving me hope for this season is I didn't want any of Bama in '14, pre Wisconsin. The difference is both teams appear to have an even wider disparity in performance this year.

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stuckupnorth's picture

MSU was a great team that year. I also counted 9 games where they won by 15 or points. Scores don’t tell the whole story. A lot of games are over in first quarter and teams get bored and let the other team in it. Teams will be getting beat by 30 and come down score a few TDS with a couple minutes to go against the backups, while the starters are looking for beer and girls.

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_Patches's picture

I'm not saying this team WILL turn it around, but I am absolutely saying it is not out of the question that they can.

The truth is that tomorrow is an opportunity to change things. It is unlikely to happen, but the fact is that things can change much quicker than we think. 

If you take everything I’ve accomplished in my life and condense it down to one day, it looks decent!

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CincyBuck's picture

In Week 10 of 2014, we beat unranked Minnesota 31-24. Were we THAT dominant?

^ This.  After that game, if you told me we were going to beat 'Bama en route to a national championship, I would've told you you're frigging crazy.  The following players were shadows of their playoff selves during the regular season: Zeke, Thomas, Smith, Spencer, Lee, etc.  We looked far from dominant at this point in 2014.

Now, are we going to turn this season around and suddenly slay the dragon that is 'Bama?  Probably not.  But I would've said the same thing in 2014.  So let's stop with this "YOU'RE A FRIGGING IDIOT IF YOU THINK [x thing that's happened several times throughout history] WILL HAPPEN FOR THIS TEAM!!!!!!!"

History tells us to expect the unexpected.  Almost always take the field over the frontrunner.  These are 18-22 year old kids.  Shit's unpredictable.

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linepilot15's picture

In 2014 the QB's played a large part in the outcome of the games. Braxton getting hurt before the opener made them start JT and he wasn't ready for what VT threw at him.
Several of the close games they had in 14 was, at least in part, due to spotty QB play and everyone knows it.
When JT went down it changed everything! Wisconsin I'm sure thought we would try to rely on the run game but we became a vertical passing team. Now suddenly teams couldn't just key on Zeke because Jones would throw over top of em. They don't beat Bama without that passing game...no way.
After the Wisconsin game the teams confidence exploded. They entered the Bama game with we got everything to gain nothing to lose attitude (3rd string QB playing Bama?) Not many gave them much of a chance. It was a good balanced offense that won those games. That's where any parallels to this team stop. The Buck's are a one demential team. It's not as likely they will be successful in November without a running game. Especially when they are entering the toughest part of their schedule.

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neo's picture

Minnesota finished 8-5.

"Let's beat the shit out of Michigan. Have a good night." - UFM

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

When Ohio State beat Minnesota, Minnesota was ranked, that’s all I’m saying 

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Johnny Amerikos's picture

When App State beat Michigan, Michigan was ranked #5. Did they actually beat a top 5 team? Or did they just beat Michigan?

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I’m not sure. Did App State beat 5th ranked Michigan or did they not? lol I’m not sure your point. Ohio State beat 25th ranked Minnesota. Nowhere does that mean Minnesota finished or was the actual 25th best team in the country 

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Johnny Amerikos's picture

I agree with you here, amigo. I'm a believer in the rankings as the teams finish, not how they were when the game was played necessarily (unless it's towards the end the season). Like, for example, TCU this year. That's a top 15 win for us... Except TCU is garbage as we now know. That's all my point is.

Anyways, I figured I would chime in on that. I read your posts for a while, even before I was a member. I don't always agree with you, sometimes I do, I've seen you get roasted, but I can at least respect your angles because you seem like a reasonable guy who is good to converse and debate with. +1 Cheers

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Johnny Amerikos's picture

Yeah... I did the all-star move last night and drank a half bottle of whiskey and posted stuff on the internet. But, earlier I think I pissed a guy off unintentionally, so I was probably over-compensating for no more misunderstandings. 

Overall, it was a pretty solid effort. I think for the most part my grammar and punctuation were in tact, hot takes weren't toooo over the top... I'll take it and run. 

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bucknutz18's picture

People somehow think that 2014 team was gangbusters after VT game.  That team got crazy hot the last three games of the season.  We struggled in half the games during the regular season.  That's why people who say they don't want to even make the playoff are crazy.  They said the same thing in 2014 before we played Wisconsin in the B1G Championship.  CFB is crazy and anything can happen, especially with a month off to prepare.  

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BuckeyeFanInBoulder's picture

I would say that the receivers actually were the same all season long. Devin, Michael, Jalin... consistent from week 3 on from my memory.

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brutus0717's picture

They were not. Indian was Jalin's coming out party after flashing most of the season. Michael Thomas was good but not great. Devin Smith could be the exceptions as he caught deep balls all year long.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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luckynutz's picture

Marshall almost cost us the Minnesota game with turnovers. He went nuts on Indiana yes, but was straight Doo Doo in Minneapolis.

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

Ohio state seems to play so much better as an underdog...a chip on their shoulder...ah focus and determination...too bad you only get like 3 of those games a year.

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linepilot15's picture

LOL, three games a year as an underdog? When was the last time the Buckeyes were an underdog?

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cledaybuck's picture

There is some selective memory going on here.  That 2014 didn't really click until the Wisconsin game.  They struggled mightily toward the end of the season against Minnesota, Indiana, and a very mediocre Michigan

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neo's picture

Correct. 100% correct. We were tied late in the 3rd quarter with a 5-7 Michigan team, the worst Michigan team in memory. The next week we won 59-0. A team can turn it on if it has the right coaches and the horses. We will see what happens this year.

"Let's beat the shit out of Michigan. Have a good night." - UFM

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Buckeye06's picture

Yea basically what I said above.  2014 had real run defense issues much of the season, then we shut out Wisconsin and all of a sudden we were a dominant unit.

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neo's picture

Again, 100% correct. We have up 230 yards and 3 TDs to Tevin Coleman on a 3-8 Indiana team. In WEEK 11.

"Let's beat the shit out of Michigan. Have a good night." - UFM

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Also, coaches always say they see the biggest development in players during bowl prep. No matter how OSU has performed, I’ll take my chances with a month to prepare with a team with as many NFL players as this one has 

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Silver Sniper's picture

This is funny that the forum post told everyone they need to stop drawing similarities to 2014 only to have all the comments point it why I could be so similar! Funny. 

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Ironballs's picture

To hear some of you "fans" the Buckeyes are a dumpster fire. We are 8-1 with a chance of winning out and making the playoffs. I wouldnt trade Urban for any coach (yes, including Saban) and our roster is loaded with talent. They have not put together a complete game yet, but when they do....WATCH OUT!!

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stuckupnorth's picture

Count me in as one who would take Saban and his 100 titles and the favorite to win another one.If they haven't put it together yet its on the coaches. Season 75% over.Give me Saban.If the roster is full of talent it should be playing. 

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_Patches's picture

Was just explaining to someone yesterday how rosy 2014 looks in hindsight. Looking at the box scores unleashes some reality that 2014 was by no means a great year all around. Until the 3rd quarter against Oregon, not many people thought that team was actually capable of accomplishing what it did. It was truly staggering and people take it for granted it seems like.

If you take everything I’ve accomplished in my life and condense it down to one day, it looks decent!

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I think you mean end of the second quarter against Alabama. I think everyone knew what OSU was capable of after the pulled away from Alabama 

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cledaybuck's picture

Capable, sure.  But I remember thinking we were pissing away a national championship when we were up one on OU late in the third.  Luckily, we kept giving the ball to Zeke and stopped screwing up.

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BuckeyeFanInBoulder's picture

Until the 3rd quarter against Oregon?

59-0

A 28-0 run on Bama

I knew well before anybody arrived in Dallas. That Ducks game was just a formality... I don't care how much they beat FSU by. Nobody was beating that team. No one.

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Zonabuck's picture

The 2014 season would’ve been one of my favorites of all time even if we ever made the playoffs. The loss to Va Techntook all pressure off and let the players grow at their pace. As many ESPN folks kindly reminded us as nauseum, we played the next few games against teams who weren’t really tough competition for us, and it gave the team an easier track.

However, we struggled against opponents bear front defenses, seemingly incapable of blocking it and creating holes. Our D wasn’t as dominant as we remember it looking back now. The team grew, had some struggles, but really bonded. With the exception of the Sparty game, our offense was fairly conservative and relied on JT to carry most of the load. 

The defense seemed to take an enormous step forward starting against Wisconsin, with the DL seemingly reinventing themselves after Kosta passed away.   The OL, which had struggled more than they should’ve, seemed to become one of the most cohesive units we’ve ever had for three games. And Zeke, who was seen as the third or fourth best RB in the Big Ten, finally got a chance to show the world what he could do. 

It was a thoroughly enjoyable year. The natty was just icing on the cake. 

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TigerSweat's picture

The '14 team was every bit as frustrating as the '18 version. If you'll remember, nobody in the world thought they were even a playoff team until they dumped Wisconsin in the conference title game. They gave up 37! To MSU and won by 12. Remember how awesome we all thought it was that they beat someone by 2 scores? Yeah, I do too

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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fishleehooker's picture

Your last point, and major point is literally a comparison to the 2014 team.  

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Johnny Amerikos's picture

You're absolutely right. Some irony, huh? It's ok to compare to 2014, as long as it somehow shits on this team. 

There's a big game tomorrow. A big, fuckin game for this team. It's another chance to make a big statement. Maybe they won't. Or maybe they will, but it will be the wrong statement. Maybe they lose and there's 1000 lined up to point their fingers and say, "I told ya so!". I don't give a damn at this point. Win or lose, I know which side I want to be on. Maybe this team doesn't finish well... Ok... That sucks. It happens. Or maybe they'll pull it out. If we can't even be hopeful...? Then what's the fuckin point? Let's go wait in the offseason.

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stxbuck's picture

A certain % of the vocal posters on this board secretly fear NC seasons b/c that is the ONLY bulletproof antidote to their armchair QBing/I told you so/why aren't the coaches at the WHAC listening to MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! schticks!

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Johnny Amerikos's picture

I think you got it, there, St. X. I think you're right

I know fully well that about time Ohio State shits the bed again, there will be a half dozen threads calling out "homers" for being wrong. What's the end game? What's the point? We're all Buckeyes fans, therefore, the only thing that should separate us are individual perspectives. And it's ok to look at things differently. But, we're all supposed to be here for a common interest.

Dude, I nearly turned off the game last Saturday because it was just shit football. I didn't, but I nearly did. And I watched every play of the Penn State game and was texting and shouting never say die, this shit ain't over, get on your fucking feet, shouting like a maniac... Right?

So, needless to say I wasn't impressed against Nebraska or Purdue. So, I'm a fan; but not a homer. But, that doesn't mean I go throwing stuff out on the internet, blasting everyone up and down, same thing, rinse and repeat every week. Those that do, whatever. They're allowed. But, that's not me. It's not even real life for us fans. It's just a release from it. If the Buckeyes win it all, I won't be the jagoff that dumped all over them every week because I demand success and then celebrate with my championship T-shirt in January.

Those saying basically that anything less than a national championship proves them right... Well, shit, that's a pretty high bar right there, isn't it? "Prove me wrong by winning it all"? I say, Come on, man... Saban effect.. 

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stxbuck's picture

Ok-this team isn't a good as a recent NC team. Captain Obvious says hello.

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seyekcuB's picture

You lost me when you talked shit on the oline. They pass block with the best of them for starters. Run blocking has sucked but that most likely is scheme more than the oline.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

If we must compare, this years Ohio State team does have a chance to compare very similarly to the 2015 squad though. Have to see how they perform against MSU first though. One Game At A Time! Go Bucks! Beat Sparty!

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Das Hufeisen's picture

We nearly lost at PSU in 2014 also. Hackenberg had three shots at the end zone in regulation that would've won it. They settled for a FG to send to OT, then took the lead, then JT bailed us out on a bum knee. And of course Bosa sacked the QB with a RB to win it.

I really thought this year's win at PSU was similar. That really was a quality win given the circumstances. This team has potential and if they put it together it could be a great ending.

AKA the Horseshoe, the Shoe, and the House That Harley Built

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Hanawi_'s picture

The 2014 is the perfect reason why you need to just survive and advance the regular season, get into the playoffs and see if you can get hot. 

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fishleehooker's picture

Not to mention the fact that as good as Alabama looks this season, or how OSU has looked, the playoffs are in Jan, and are a totally new season. What happens now doesn't really translate to Jan. This is fall; that is Winter. Some people change with the seasons. Also, the long layoff and mini camp makes the team seem different. If we get there, we have as good as shot as anyone. Only way that happens is to run the table, and that is totally possible, though won't be easy. Winning a championship never is easy. 

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BuckeyeJay's picture

I find it hilarious that people act like Taver Johnson is some scrub compared to Coombs. Johnson has developed All Americans and even a Thorpe winner 

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luckynutz's picture

3 Consensus All Americans at OSU. Malcolm Jenkins, Kurt Coleman and Chimdi Chekwa.

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OSU069's picture

Well our bad sir. We apologize greatly for believing our boys will turn it around. Might as well just forfeit the rest of the season. 

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LB U's picture

You know what would be great? Being realistic about this team. I root for them as much as anyone else on here. I can root for them while remaining realistic.

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GrapeApe's picture

So you’re the one who gets to tell us what realistic is? Nah. You do you bro, I’ll do me 

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neo's picture

If you would have told me we’d blank Wisconsin, dethrone Alabama, and beat Oregon by 3 scores in the National Championship after our Week 11 comeback win over 3-8 Indiana, I’d have said you were being unrealistic.

But it happened. Which is why you may be statistically correct in saying we probably aren’t winning out based upon what you’ve seen, but making a thread calling people silly for believing in the team isn’t just wrong, it’s directly contradictory considering how 2014 actually played out.

"Let's beat the shit out of Michigan. Have a good night." - UFM

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Johnny Amerikos's picture

Right on, Neo. The only thing I find "embarrassing" is that you have to justify that stance at a place like 11W. Nobody is saying anything else beyond what you just stated. Yet here we are on a thread dedicated to shutting down optimism. In the words of John Rambo "Fuck the world..."

Others? Uh, yeah, if we're world champions and everyone goes on to do great things then I'll be wrong..  Pfft… Blow me.

Let's get up for the game tomorrow. After that, commence with the flogging.  

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

I remember driving home from coaching a basketball game and getting updates about the Minnesota game in 2014. I thought the MSU game was the turning of a corner, but the game with the Gophers really dampened my hopes. IU the next week didn't do much to help those dashed hopes. JT going down in the TTUN games gave even less hope heading in the BIG Championship game against Melvin Gordon and a very good Wisconsin team. The rest is beautiful history. Will the 2018 team have a similar run? I cannot say, but I will remain hopeful for ultimate success, starting with a big win in East Lansing. Go Buckeyes!

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

2014 Ohio State:

Week 1 - Navy: Ohio State led 20-17 with 8:55 remaining in the 4th quarter. Won 34-17.

Week 2 - Virginia Tech: Ohio State trailed 21-7 at halftime. Lost 35-21.

Week 3 - Kent State: Ohio State dominated 66-0.

Week 4 - Cincinnati: Ohio State led 36-28 (1 score) with 1:19 remaining in the 3rd quarter. Won 50-28. Ohio State gave up touchdown passes of 60, 83, and 78 yards.

Week 5 - Maryland: Ohio State dominated, 52-24.

Week 6 - Rutgers: Ohio State dominated, 56-17. Rutgers receiver Leonte Carroo had 100 yards receiving on 5 catches, including a 40 yarder.

Week 7 - Penn State: Ohio State dominated the first half, leading 17-0 at the break. The game would go to double overtime with the Buckeyes winning 31-24. Penn State receiver DaeSean Hamilton had 126 yards receiving.

Week 8 - Illinois: Ohio State dominated, 55-14.

Week 9 - Michigan State: The game that everyone started to pay attention. Ohio State led by 4 with 2:19 left in the 3rd. Buckeyes won 49-37. Connor Cook had 358 passing yards (Career high at the time, 3rd highest of his entire college career behind games vs. Rutgers and Indiana), Jeremy Langford had 137 rushing yards. MSU had 536 total yards.

Week 10 - Minnesota: Ohio State led by 3 at halftime. Buckeyes won 31-24. David Cobb had 145 rushing yards and 3 touchdowns.

Week 11 - Indiana: Ohio State led 21-20 after 3 quarters. Buckeyes ultimate won 42-27. Tevin Coleman had 228 rushing yards and 3 touchdowns, including TD runs of 90 and 52 yards.

Week 12 - TTUN: Ohio State was up by 7 with 4:59 remaining in the game. Buckeyes won 42-28.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

While I think the OP has a point...this is a good reminder of how 2014 actually played out.  

To me, this team feels more like 2016 only reversed in that the defense is weak while the offense has demonstrated it can be great (and has a lot of NFL talent).  2016 & 2018 started out so strongly that it raised expectations so quickly. Everything after that was a slow let-down. The offense never clicked in 2016 with Warinner/Beck but the team won because it was loaded on defense with 1st & 2nd round NFL talent. The defense hasn't clicked here yet but we (mostly) win because we have NFL talent on offense. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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BtownBuckeye's picture

The straw-man argument, i love those!

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Buckeye06's picture

i don't think people are saying this season will end like 2014; it's impossible to know that. They are saying you don't know how good a team can be in September or October (or even November/December sometimes).  Let's hypothetically say that White has locked down the other safety spot with Fuller and Browning takes over one of the 3 linebacker spots with Harrison.  Then all of a sudden we may be better on defense than in the past.

Lights turn on for college kids quick.  In 2014, PEOPLE WANTED ZEKE BENCHED AFTER GAME 3 

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NapaBuckeye5's picture

How was Michael Thomas not All-World WR when he was at tOSU?  He kills at the highest level! 

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GrapeApe's picture

Because our coaches only really care how well WRs block and how well QBs run 

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stxbuck's picture

B/c QBs on the level of Drew Brees don;'t grow on trees, despite what 11W denizens think. Besides-could you imagine the whining and freaking out on here if Urban offered/signed WRs like Tyreek Hill-West Alabama, Antonio Brown-Central Michigan, or Cooper Kupp-Eastern Washington out of HS!?!?

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NapaBuckeye5's picture

I agree that JT is no Brees, but wasn't Thomas a 4th round pick?  There's an issue when you miss talent that good under your nose.

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stxbuck's picture

Thomas was a 4th round pick, Tyreek Hill and Antonio Brown were 5th round picks. The NFL recognizes talent, but that doesn't mean that those players were being underutilized by their college coaches. New Orleans runs a scheme-with an all time great QB- where lots of WRs succeed, if properly focused. That doesn't mean that Thomas possessed physical tools that Urban didn't utilize. Heck, Alvin Kamara signed w/ Bama but ended up at a JUCO, I guess Saban is stupid b/c he doesn't know what he is chasing away from his team.

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NapaBuckeye5's picture

I never said that Meyer is stupid.  To see how he performed his rookie year speaks that he was that good.  His weight is the same as it was before the combine, and before his last season at tOSU.  So no, I'm not buying that he wasn't up to snuff.  Who was better on the team at that point? 
 
I will admit where you land is very important in the NFL.  Scheme, teammates, coaches, etc. are essential to success in football, especially in the NFL.  He's landed in a great place, but he sure as hell was underutilized at tOSU.  Now if one wants to argue that had to do with JT yes, but there's no reason or measurables that point to him magically blooming physically or mentally.  
 

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elmird's picture

Thomas was a 2nd round pick of the Saints. Along with Vonn Bell

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ohiopanda's picture

This year we got demolished by a bad team, it took a bye week to beat a 2-win team by 5 points at home, and the coaches/players believe nothing is wrong. They play and coach with so little emotion/care it's insane. The coaching staff is built on Urban's best buds, most of which suck, and got him into trouble to start the season. Urban can't function without a running QB and has noticeable health issues. And that fact we are lackadaisically walking into the buzzsaw of Michigan doesn't help. 

In 2014 we didn't get spanked by Purdue late in the season,we lost to VT with a QB in his second game. In 2014 we also played with some emotion, and had players and coaches leading the team. Also, the seasons of 2015-2017 didn't happen yet, where we managed to lose 17-14 to MSU solely by forgetting Zeke existed (and wasting the most talented team in a long time - thanks coaches), getting embarrassed by Clemson in the playoffs, and getting destroyed by Iowa deep into the season.

We're on a downward trend, and the finish of this season could be very bad if things don't change

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

 Bill Davis is coaching our linebackers - I could probably stop right now, but I'll continue.

You should probably change your username then

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villain612's picture

A lot of people above have already pointed out the rose-colored glasses that we look upon the 2014 season. A team which struggled with some inferior competition late in the season. But I will agree that the 2014 offensive line was clearly better as well as the defense (team defense stats back this up). 

With that said, a poster above did sum it up nicely - you need to just win - survive and advance and see what happens in the postseason. I don't have those kinds of high expectations for this team, but I didn't in 2014 either (I expected Bama to beat us comfortably). This 2018 team, on paper at least, is top 2 or 3 in the country, in terms of raw talent. Could they get it together and excel on the big stage against the best competition? Absolutely. They could also lose too. Who knows. The season is a marathon, not a sprint.

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BABuckeye's picture

ttun is having a year more similar to the Buckeyes’ 2014 season. 

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

ttun is having a year more similar to the ttun 2016 season...

  • started 9-0
  • ranked #3 in CFP rankings
  • scored 40 points or more in 7 of first 9 games (5 of 9 this year)
  • held opponent to 14 points or less in 7 of first 9 games (5 of 9 this year)
  • beat PSU by 39 at home
  • beat Sparty on the road
  • hosted Indiana the week before travelling to Columbus

It all came crashing down for them that year as they finished 10-3

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Johnny Amerikos's picture

Thank you, and please remind any jackass Michigan trolls who show up. If they win, then fine. Until then, they don't have anything to say because as far as I'm concerned, I've already seen that episode before.

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

All of your takes are hilariously misguided. Here have another downvote.

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LB U's picture

Care to give an example?

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tcm1968's picture

The comparison I don't find accurate is people saying we'll be fine at #4 in the playoff because the 2014 squad were underdogs vs Bama and we can do it again in 2018... That's just not apples to apples.. This Bama team is better than their 2014 team and this OSU squad isn't even close to being as talented as that 2014 OSU team was... Over HALF!!!!!!! of OSUs starters vs Bama were drafted. The 2014 team was loaded with NFL level elite talent.. The guys we have on the field right now for the most part won't sniff the NFL... 

Go Bucks!

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Ohio1111's picture

Contrast:

- 2014 had NFL talent that overcame bad coaching 

- 2014 completely different offense won final 3 games ( JT does not beat Alabama)

- 2014 physicality overcame lesser opponents and won line of scrimmage

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stuckupnorth's picture

TCM and OHIO111 you boys won the internet today.That OSU team was stacked. People thinking this team is are delusional. They buy into the recruiting stars and Urban myth.The only players i see on defense that would play is maybe Dremont and Young maybe Fuller. On offense no one would play(if you take out Urbans blind loyalty to JT) Haskins would have went Ham with that squad. That said 12 gauge was super fun to watch and balled out.I agree Ohio JT dont come close to beating Bama. The slobs were unreal that year and had multiple first round picks.

This years team dont have close to the talent level. Chase Young and Dremont are the probably the only first round picks (depending on who comes out Haskins QB always go higher)

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YugoBuck's picture

Ezekiel Elliott. Devin Smith. Joey Bosa. 

Those three players are the biggest reason there shouldn’t be a comparison between the two teams. And that’s not mentioning 1st round OL Pat Elflein, Taylor Decker, and Billy Price. 

Saying that, I’m content with enjoying this season. We laid one egg, sure, but we have an opportunity to go 12-1 this season. How spoiled we have become where 12-1, B1G champions, and a win against TTUN isn’t considered a good season. 

Go Bucks! Beat TTUN!

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teddyballgame's picture

Username:  LB U

Right away I knew this was a man that is hurting.  I feel you bro...this season is tough.

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Johnny Amerikos's picture

Well, thanks, I wasn't sure how this season ended, but I guess there's no point to watch now. Also thank you for being embarrassed on my behalf. Sometimes I need more reasonable people like you to keep me in check. 

100% of your argument for why people who see things from another perspective are wrong and embarrassing is purely anecdotal. Nobody is even seriously saying they are the 2014 team. People are just saying that squad got off to a shaky start, the team lost 3 out of 4 games from Michigan State to Virginia Tech, they were left for dead, and they found a way to turn it around and maybe this team can, too. That's the point.

So what? Does it bother you that people have hope for this team since the story hasn't been completely written? Does that embarrass you? Well GFY, sir. It's one thing to have an opposing opinion or have a debate, it's another thing to create an entire thread just to browbeat people who have different perspective.

Go Buckeyes Beat Sparty

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Thedrw's picture

If we are fortunate enough to win out and get selected to participate in the playoff, watch all of the posters who say we suck to start questioning the manhood of guys who think we will lose to Alabama.

You're rarely as bad as or as good as you think you are.

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Bratwurstcapitalbuckeye's picture

It's simple really. The team went nuts when Cardale was the starter. They were avg. When JT was at the helm. I'm a JT fan but that is the truth. In 2015 it was the opposite. Why? I have no idea. Beat Sparty!

Go Bucks!

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luckynutz's picture

Tim Beck and Ed Warriner as Co-OCs...

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Guts's picture

The two teams were similar at this point in the season. One of the things that made the 2014 season so great was how that squad soared to such heights performance-wise in seemingly one week. The difference for me, and this is where we agree, is that this years team just seems dead. They don't seem to want it at all. They come out and play with the same intensity as I enter a starbucks with. That's what frustrates me the most. I wouldn't mind half the mistakes they make if there was a legitimate effort put forward. Just some sign that they care even a little bit. The 2014 squad never had that issue that I can remember.

I'm with Eddie George on this. Something is very off with this team. Unlike others, I think we have very talented players. Our roster is second to no one but Alabama. But they have no fire, and I think it's due to issues that aren't public between Urban and the administration or between the coaches. It's like a smart kid with a bad home life. All the talent in the world, but under achieving because they can't focus or choose not to.

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RMLogic's picture

Its laughable that fans on this forum think this years team is loaded with talent. Not even close.

In the last 5 years there have been 31 players drafted into the NFL that have been good NFL starters and many all pro caliber.

There is ZERO players on this roster that will be all pros and very few that will even be starters. That is a huge drop off in talent.

Right now the best players on this roster are Jones, Young and Fuller and none of those are sure fire good NFL players.

The players that have played 9 games are vastly overrated and a few downright suck. There might be talent on the bench like White that the stupid coaches refuse to give a chance to play. They would rather give up 49 pts to Purdue and 30 to Nebraska playing bums.

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Guts's picture

There might be talent on the bench like White that the stupid coaches refuse to give a chance to play. They would rather give up 49 pts to Purdue and 30 to Nebraska playing bums.

I think this is most likely the case. Also, this completely negates your first statement. This team most likely is loaded with talent and it's not laughable to think that. The talent is just riding the bench due to Urban Meyer and Schiano playing favorites on the depth chart. You look at our recruiting classes and there is simply no way that the players we're fielding are the best on the roster.

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BuckeyesAlumSon's picture

LB U with yet another quitter post. Thank you Bro! So happy I keep checking in on my favorite site to read negative shit.  ESPN talks less trash than the commenters on here lately. Sure most of the negative nancies will be back on board if they win the next 3 and BIG Title Game. 

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Guts's picture

You mean if the problems get fixed, then people will stop complaining? Crazy how that works.

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Johnny Amerikos's picture

Yeah, I used to think Cincy was nuts, but basically 

ESPN talks less trash than the commenters on here lately

So... Shots anyone? 

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Johnny Amerikos's picture

There's about a half bottle left on the counter top, but I was a machine last night...

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Kujo247's picture

We'll find out in about 14 hours whether this team is going to turn the corner or trip over the curb.

Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.

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TomD's picture

We don't have a dominant offensive line, we barely have a competent offensive line.

While the Buckeye OL is middle-of-the-pack nationally in run blocking, ranked 65th of the 129 FBS Division I football teams according to the Football Outsiders NCAA Offensive Line metric, the Buckeye OL is ranked 15th in the nation in Pass Protection.

The OL obviously needs to improve in run blocking in order to approach recent Ohio State standards, they ranked 8th in Run Blocking last year, but it really isn't fair to say that they are "barely . . . competent."  Needs significant improvement, yes.

We'll find out a lot tomorrow, especially whether they can begin to make a November push.

"Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it." - Woody Hayes

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

You can blame that on the RPOs. I never thought the OL was great but the running issues were much deeper.

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TomD's picture

I've never quite understood this excuse.

Don't lots of football teams, pro and college, run RPOs? Aren't many pro and college OLines relatively successful at blocking for these types of plays?  Then why the problem for the Buckeyes? 

Does the NCAA 20 hour per week practice time limit make it more of a challenge to teach "new" concepts, such as the increased complexity of blocking for the RPO type play?  Coaches (Buckeye OL coach?) not used to teaching it? Players didn't do much RPO blocking in high school?  If the offense uses RPOs, shouldn't the OL be taught the basics of RPO blocking before it becomes a staple of the offensive play book?  If the OL can't do it well, why call so many RPOs?  Something doesn't make sense.

"Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it." - Woody Hayes

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HOLYbucknut's picture

All I’m taking away from this thread is that we’re still underestimating Kevin Wilson and Tevin Coleman in 2014 for some reason.

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Buckeye06's picture

Time for a bump on this one

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

If ever there was a time we another 59-0 it will be next Saturday.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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