Go Bucks, Deacs, Panthers, Braves
Best of luck to the kid wherever he goes.
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fuck that, if he goes to Michigan, I hope he's as unsuccessful as possible
This is a bad comment.
It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.
I think it’s honest. Did you root for Charles Woodson, Shawn Crable, and Prescott Burgess in college? I know exactly zero Buckeye fans who did, and that’s just fine. Think any UM/MSU fans have truly been rooting for guys like Alabi, Weber, and Webb? Absolutely not, and that’s just fine.
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
He can have all the success he wants as long as he is 0-3 or 0-4 against OSU.
Bay - Obviously I hope that Ohio State goes 3-0 or 4-0 while he's there, but I'm not going to root against a kid for picking the option that he believes is best for him, and his future family. If there is anybody to upset with, I don't think it's the kid, I think it's Ohio State and their recruiting efforts.
I think it's a fair statement. I collectively hate Michigan. I don't hate each individual player or coach, but once you choose to be a part of them you choose to be a part of the hate. I assume other Buckeye fans fall in the same boat.
I am also a Buckeye fan that hopes they go 0-12 every single season. I don't want them to be good, I don't want to hear their fans, I want them to be terrible. I don't even want them to win the coin flip.
Keep Calm and Buckeye On
My favorite second thing in college football after Ohio State winning is watching TTUN lose.
So I hope they lose and then lose some more, and then once they are done doing that, they lose again. So I hope whoever plays for that shitty team to continue to lose ALL their careers. And if they have to have a shitty career to help that team lose, then good.
I will NOT root for ANY player on that fucking team.
Well, this kind of hate is what makes this the best rivalry in all of sport, so fuck it, hate away.
I second this and don't care if it looks bad or the amount of down votes.
119 upvotes well done sir
I hope he obtains a degree and has a nice life. I wish zero on field success for any player that chooses scUM.
Wouldn't this better commented in one of the already open recruiting threads?
Either way, one guy will never make or break OSU. So awesome if he wants to play here, good luck if he doesn't.
Two words for everyone that is worried about this....
It'll be okay.
As always...Fuck Michigan.
We just need to let Urban and crew do their thing. Michigan is trending up right now and Michigan can use our defensive flaws right now (including Chase Young's relative disappearance) as a negative recruiting tool against us.
If he goes there, fine. It'll be nice beating him more often than not.
To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.
I don't think Michigan is doing negative recruiting. To be brutally honest, they don't need to do negative recruiting with regards to TOSU right now. Sometimes, and now is one of those times, it is by far best to just keep your mouth shut. I really wonder if Harrison's family compared the atmosphere at Michigan vs. Wisconsin to the atmosphere in Columbus with TOSU vs. Nebraska. But who knows. I certainly don't.
FTR, I do not wish disease, disaster, pestilence, defeat, etc., etc., etc., on Ohio State, other than against Michigan. But something is wrong in Columbus, and the ship needs to be righted. I have to say, it feels odd to say "something is wrong" about a team that is currently 8 - 1, when your own team (Michigan) is in exactly the same place.
Lastly, Harrison hasn't committed yet. You still have his official during The Game to sway him to TOSU. Maybe that game will be a classic victory for TOSU, and Harrison will be swept up and onboard with the Buckeyes. Somehow, I don't foresee that happening, but you never know . . .
I think he already took his official back in the summer iirc. And as far as the atmosphere...it’s apples and oranges with a night game against a top 25 opponent versus a noon banger against a 2-6 team.
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I stand corrected regarding the time of the official. Regarding the atmosphere, I don't think it would have been all that different if Michigan had played at noon and TOSU at 8pm. But yeah, we'll see what the atmosphere is like in a little under 3 weeks.
The times of the games maybe wouldn't have mattered as much as the opponents. Still think it's the luck of the draw for the Buckeyes and you all with home slates...only home game worth a damn for the Buckeyes this year is The Game. You all had PSU and Wisky, and mid season so not in the B1Gs self imposed Do Not Fly Zone for Night games (late November).
Do y'all still give away Coke to fill those very narrow seats?
I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.
Just Stop. I'm not going to sit here and defend our atmosphere because that's some of the reason I don't even go home games anymore, but that is an apples/oranges comparison and you know it. The game time and opponent matter greatly (especially for you guys)
No matter what happens the next couple weeks you little weasels still have to come out your holes and face a cold dark day in Columbus. We will win because Harbaugh sucks. Khaki sucks. Maze is not an actual color. You have to recruit grad transfer QBs. Should be sold to Canada. Even if you win you'll lose in the big ten title game to Purdue or get housed by bama in the playoffs.
Hes been on campus multiple times. as he lives right down the road. Official , unofficial really isn't a big deal for him because he lives so close. Officials are extremely important for those that live out of state. Officials cover flights, meals and lodging for the recruit and family. Wiltfong always does this to get clicks, I wouldn't write the kid off just yet because of wiltfong. he's 89% accurate.
MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS
You do realize 89% in predicting where kids go when kids change their mind all the time is really really good, correct?
Yes I do but we stole a couple guys late last year Crystal balled for ttun as well.
You stole guys that Wiltfong crystal balled to Michigan late in the year? Who?
Tyler Friday is one. I am not sure who the other guy is that he's referring to.
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Wiltfong never crystal balled him to Michigan. Only picked OSU for him.
Incorrect. He had his Crystal Ball on him to UM until he changed it on 1/10/18. Michigan was the clear CB leader until very late.
Wrong. When they switch a prediction it shows the team they previously selected with a trade like symbol.
The bottom of the page shows the index.
Everyone on mgo also thought the 5* tackle we signed late from Tampa was a possibility for them linr Friday.
Right. I don't remember where the CBs were on NPF but there was a lot of chatter about it being a Michigan/Florida battle but OSU won it. A lot of the CBs that came in for OSU were in the day or even hours before the commitment. Although I don't think anyone ever felt that that confident about where NPF would land so it wasn't as clear a win over Michigan as maybe the Friday situation was.
You'll be thinking something is wrong in Columbus, ....3 Saturdays from now, lol.
From what I saw on you tube he already told a few people at Michigan that he's committing
Wow he must have really hated the black jerseys. Maybe The Victory Bell was right after all
Or, ya know... maybe he hated the hometown "fans" booing their own team.
Loudest they were all game.
Just imagine if Gary were to stay and they have ZH. Would be tough.
Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!
He's currently an athlete.. I don't think he'll make a huge impact next year at either school
A decent athlete
Just meant he's not solving anyone's DE issue next year.. RS Fresh/Soph year? Watch out
Yeah, I would definitely make my decision based upon one year of "success". Michigan has won 3 B1G championships in the last 18 years.
How do you know that's his personal criteria - team's success? It's known that he seems to want to get away from home. I think Zach has his own personal items he's looking for to make his decision.
In the interview posted further down on this thread, it sounds like relationships with players and coaches is what he's most concerned about. With that said, I think it would be short-sighted to think that an 8-1 Michigan team controlling its own destiny to make the playoffs doesn't have more pull than an 8-5 Michigan team that lost to its two biggest rivals, the other two competitive B1G teams, and a middle-of-the-pack SEC East team.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
He'd probably quit on the team and skip the Bowl game anyways. Everything about the program sucks, except my idea on who should start and what plays we should call.....
This would be a disaster. Carman was a flake from a distant part of the state, Harrison's a seemingly great kid in OSU's backyard.
Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
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This would be a disaster.
This is just as irrational as "we didn't want him anyway".
If we start losing 5* kids from central Ohio to Michigan it's a major problem for Ohio State recruiting. Make your case otherwise.
But we don't want 5 star kids from central Ohio, we want 3 star gamers and dev projects from all over the state.
LCT - Ohio State would be fine. Ohio State has taken plenty of high 4 and 5* athletes from other programs' back yards. It happens from time to him.
Well "kids' would be plural, though we "lost" Kyle Kalis, Taco Charlton, Rashan Gary, Derrick Greene, Kareem Walker....etc to them and disaster didn't ensue. If the kid goes up there thats his perogative, but lets wait until he actually develops before we freak out over the "miss".
^^^^^^Agree this, I personally don't think the young man ever wanted to be a Buckeye from the get go, which is fine and dandy that is his choice, so it does'nt really bother me, as I would rather have the next man up who wants to be a buckeye and would have real loyalty and fight for his team. As far as how many stars they have, It's still a crap shoot as to who developes or not into a real player. +1 CT
Well "kids' would be plural, though we "lost" Kyle Kalis, Taco Charlton, Rashan Gary, Derrick Greene, Kareem Walker....etc to them and disaster didn't ensue.
I think I could say that these things seem to be trending favorably toward the north... so, not sure this is the best way to describe the averted disaster, when truly, disaster could ensue.
In conference. Arch rival. Grew up in the shadow of Ohio Stadium. Guys. Please.
In conference. Arch rival. Grew up in the shadow of Ohio Stadium. Guys. Please.
Ki-Jana Carter. Charles Woodson (Shadow is a reach I know). It happens. It will happen, from time to time.
What did we all think when we started yanking kids out of Cass Tech?
That we were pulling in quality players. How many of them were "disastrous" misses for TTUN though? Weber maybe?
I can't remember if Michael Jordan went to Cass Tech or not. But regardless, I'm certain that was a big loss for TTUN.
I thought it was pretty funny, but didn't think it would break an entire program.
If we sign Justin Rogers in 20', I'll consider it an even trade...........................
And Charlton, who went on to be a 1st round NFL pick, came from where?
IIRC he was not offered by the Bucks....
what the hell does that even mean?
how many 5* have even come out of “central Ohio”?
I think expectations are lowering 'round here.....
Now you're just stirring the pot like you always do.
I'm really not. We dodged a bullet in Carman IMO. Harrison would be a big time miss. Why would that kid not want to come to Ohio State?
This is not a criticism of Harrison for anyone who needs that spelled out (not you RK).
Sure it would be a big miss. And there are any number of reasons he would not want to stay home, that have nothing to do with football. Maybe Michigan is just a better fit for him, Maybe he likes his major at UM more than the one offered at OSU? Maybe he's a teenager and still trying to figure things out? Ohio State's program being in some kind of perceived trouble is off base.
Why would that kid not want to come to Ohio State?
The defense is abysmal and the coaches have been at a loss as to how to fix it, the perception is that things are trending downward (fair or not), a captain left the team in October... just packed up his locker and moved to LA... Meyer is not a sure bet to return, and Schiano is a good bet to leave. Things are teetering with Ohio State's program. What's more, Harbaugh has his team playing well at just the right time, and there are no whispers that Jim Harbaugh or Don Brown are going anywhere. There's lots of instability at Ohio State right now, at least from the outside looking in. I can see why that would be concerning to a player, especially one who didn't grow up loving Ohio State, and who has expressed interest in going away to school. Bosa leaving, not calling it a career, which is understandable, but just leaving and divorcing himself from the program is odd, imo, and I think it speaks a little bit as to what might going on inside the WHAC.
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I think the first thing you listed is the real reason. The defense looks so bad. OSU looks so disjointed. I hate to say it, but we've been really hard to watch.
If you were 17 would you get excited about watching this team?
If Bosa isn't going to play, and is preparing for the draft, why would he stay? He is rehabbing an injury. There is no way this was an easy decision. But cutting the cord probably makes the most sense. He is a competitor. Say we right the ship, win the Big Ten and sneak into the playoffs? If Bosa was still around the team, how much you wanna bet he would wanna strap it up and get back out there? Nothing about his decision makes me think there is something wrong at OSU. It makes me think this is a kid who was devastated that he couldn't help his team, and didn't want to hang around and be a distraction. He is going to get paid next year. Why not put himself in the best possible scenario to fully rehab and prepare for the draft?
The "actually everything is fine and we just have shitty fans" crowd has been louder and angrier than usual.
Makes me think maybe things aren't fine..
They are very strident right now.
and how did they do?
For in the last days there shall arise false Christs and false prophets and shall show great signs and wonders insomuch that if it were possible they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24 KJV
Those two had the good taste not to go to TTUN when they went another way. If you don't feel comfortable with going to OSU that is understandable, but after all of the time ZH has already spent with the OSU team and coaches in the process, don't go to to that one damn school. ZH can go anywhere he wants in the country, going there would be nothing but an insult from him.
An insult to whom exactly?
If you can make an argument that Harrison committing to TTUN guarantees that every top-level recruit from central Ohio will choose TTUN over OSU for the next 50 years then be my guest. It's not going to happen. Every recruit is unique but a majority of top-level Ohio kids want to play for OSU. That's going to continue even after Meyer is long gone based on the brand alone. Why do you think so many Ohio kids that end up at schools like MSU and Purdue instead of OSU play with such a chip on their shoulder when they play us? Hell, TTUN pulled Jake Butt years ago out of Pickerington of all places (pre-Harbaugh I might add). Explain to me how that destroyed OSU football. Butt was a good player for them no doubt but it didn't exactly help them win in the Game. If Harrison chooses TTUN, OSU moves on, simple as that. It's not a death sentence for the OSU football program and I get weary of hearing OSU fans talk like it is.
This is the correct take. OSU will be fine, this is one player. If we lose 6/10 top Ohio players next year I will be worried.
It would suck for sure. It wouldn't be a death sentence for OSU football and guarantee nothing but 3-win seasons for the next 15 years though.
If he was an elite QB it might be a "disaster". Maybe. It would suck balls to not get him, and would add insult to injury to have him go to those punks but we will live to fight another day. Enjoy the ones you get, don't worry about the ones you don't.
Right! It is way more about the kids you get that don't pan out the way you think they will than the ones that you don't get and go elsewhere.
Look how many 4 and 5 star kid we have gotten from other teams states that never lived up to their stars.
It would't be a disaster, it would be a bad loss. However, OSU has proven over and over that one recruiting loss doesn't define the program. For every Carman or Harrison the staff loses they gain multiple 4 and 5 star players out of the backyard of other schools. If you look through the OH rankings from 2010 to now I think you might be surprised at how many top 7 OH recruits in each class didn't end up at OSU including some high 4* and 5* guys. The program did just fine anyway. There are always going to be kids who want to get away from home and every big school deals with this.
SOMEONE TWEET THIS KID ASAP!!!!
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I think the outcome of the Game ends up being the deciding factor for Harrison tbh (meaning don't expect to hear him make an official decision for another 3 weeks). Not to mention scUM just had a decommitment recently due to them having too many bodies on their DL atm. So that could also play a part in Harrison's decision. OSU is already without Bosa and next year Dre'Mont and Landers are out the door as well so spots are opening up. Losing him to that school up north would suck for sure but it won't mean death for OSU football like a lot of fans seem to think.
I'm guessing this decommitment from a 2020 kid and flurry of CBs for Harrison go hand in hand.
It's very possible. But I still think Harrison's decision will come down to what happens in the Game this year. I really don't expect him to go into decision mode before that. And I would highly expect Urban and LJ to continue doing as much work on him as they can between now and then.
The kid is not deciding his future on the outcome of one game.
come on man.
Did I say that? What I meant was I don't think he makes a decision before that game. Knowing what we know about Harrison he's not going to be hasty. Regardless of the outcome I have a feeling he would likely be in attendance for that matchup for the sake of stacking the programs up against each other and seeing where they are at. Supposedly Harrison is closer to Meyer than any other HC in the country and from what I've heard Meyer's ongoing health concerns and future beyond this year have contributed to some of the uncertainty with Harrison. If Meyer goes out and shuts up his critics by hammering scUM for the 7th year in a row that will no doubt help put some of those fears to rest that he's completely lost it.
You edited your post. And yes, the original said you think his decision will be based on the outcome of the Game.
I think his decision will be based on how each program looks coming out of the Game. And if Meyer comes out of the Game looking like he's at the end of his rope and ready to hang himself, Harrison's not coming here, simple as that. A win over scUM is the cure-all in this situation IMO.
I don’t think it matters who wins. I really think he wants to have the college experience and is a quiet kid that fits in better at Michigan.... just my thoughts.
I think you're right, JL, and I think your comment is very perceptive. Harrison is a quiet, laid-back, intellectual kid. He doesn't have a big personality, and he's seemingly not a kid who would fit in on Pete Carroll's USC teams, or certainly not on Miami teams, and Meyer's teams have big, brash personalities.... well, usually. I don't know, I'm just guessing, but your comment seems insightful to me.
If he makes his decision based on who wins The Game, that'll be a red flag.
that'll be a red scarlet flag.
"Defiance in Silence"
Harbaugh can't hide his act for long. If Zach goes there he's going to find out just how weird that guy really is.
A down year in the B1G seems to have cooled his seat off, though they did lose to an extremely overrated Notre Dame team when they were still starting Brandon Wimbush.
With several deep shots I might add...everyone worried about their run defense is fine. Let Haskins air it out. Might be the only chance the have.
You know, I keep thinking the Domers are overrated, too, only to see them pull off another win. Oddly, I think it is going to be Syracuse that will expose them.
Life is full of choices. Make good ones.
What if Zach is a weird guy?
then he would fit in, just like Winovich and Gary, they are different guys. They tend to lean that way.
No good. Sees the writing on the wall around here. This is no damn good at all.
And what is that? Where is this wall you speak of?
Where is this wall you speak of?
No good. Sees the writing on the wall around here. This is no damn good at all.
Funny I think you just described the majority of your comments today.
It’s been said no one really knows because Zach doesn’t say anything. Is there a post game interview we haven’t seen yet?
That’s not a post game interview from Saturday. That was a week or 2 ago I believe. I was asking about something he said before, during, or after his visit Saturday that would have lead to the change in picks.
Gotcha, I just saw that vid and thought it was relevant. Didn't realize you were talking about post Nebraska.
That post game interview asks about Harrison's relationship with Sherrone Washington, one of the Michigan coaches. What we have heard in Ann Arbor is that a lot of it comes down to relationships . . . with the coaching staff, players, and support staff. Supposedly he relates really well with the kids coming in to Michigan next year. But heck if I know.
Correct. It was posted here a week or 2 ago, so I was aware of that one.
My fault, got the coach's name wrong. Harrison did mention one of the Michigan player/commit's dad was a former coach of his. This does sound a lot like Jabrill Peppers though, it was mentioned a lot that he was much closer to the players at TTUN than he was with OSU players.
You can't force anyone. Seemed like he just wanted to go away for college. Usually guys who are local and 100% buckeye commit quickly (Braxton, Jaelen Gill, etc) so they can be leaders in the class. With Harrison since he didn't, you had to know it was possible he wouldn't come here. Oh well, still not lost. Maybe being at The Game and TTUN losing again will sway his mind. Rashan Gary and Gerbil Peppers never beat OSU either.
Kind of how I saw it. The longer this dragged on the less likely he was coming to Ohio State.
There is something very wrong right now when a #1 overall recruit lives 20 minutes away and grew up an OSU fan is not committing to Urban Meyer and The Bucks. smh
I thought Harrison was from elsewhere, and moved to the Columbus area just before High School? I am probably wrong, but I recall reading that somewhere else.
Pretty sure most reports said he was not particularly an OSU fan.
Didn't know that but still...
I have taught myself to live with the good,bad and ugly in H.S. recruiting. Like many Fuck scUm. Go Coach Meyer...Go Bucks
Ever since Harrison delayed his decision, to me, it seemed like he had made up his mind that it would not be OSU. It made me believe that he was going to wait to announce until the early signing period, leaving as little time as possible for him to still be in the Columbus area and hear the backlash. He'll sign early, enroll early, and be on his way.
I've been hoping that I was wrong, but it looks more and more like that's the case. Maybe Urban and LJ can somehow change his mind.
This is probably the best guess, of all the comments in here. Makes the most sense, creates less damage.
Lost out on Carmen and who did we get?
Maybe we lose out on Harrison......
There is a path.....Both of them fell from from #1 overall at their positions.
Maybe we will be fine?
Sky falling meet UFM and LJ SR!
WOW, two years in a row lost the top state recruit. Someone from Central Ohio going to Michigan? Incredible. Times are a changing
As much as i want an elite player like Zach wearing Scarlet and Gray, he has to do what's best for himself. If that means heading up North, then you just wish him the best and trust that this staff will do everything in their power to bring in a suitable replacement. It certainly hurts losing someone who grew up so close to campus, but you can't win every recruiting battle and sometimes another school just feels like a better fit.
lol- It's funny how some react to this kind of stuff...…..One recruit comes and plays here, another goes somewhere else, it's the way it is....he will go where he feels fits him best no matter what we think or care to think.
Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.
One recruit does not make a class or a program. If Harrison wasn't an Ohio kid this would just be a big miss, but since he's in-state, it seems like it's catastrophic.
Whether he is a buckeye or not, it doesn't change the fact that Ohio State is going to continue to be Ohio State.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
I think the jury is still out on him on what is impact will be in college. About 1/3 of these DE turn out to be total busts anyway. Not many Bosa out there. If he does go to Michigan, I think the impact on the actual game will be minimal most likely. However, the psychological impact will be larger. These two teams are going in totally different directions. Hope it is just a one year blip
Not what a lot of OSU fans want to admit, but outside of Larry Johnson who no one questions, which defensive coaching staff would you rather play for at this point? OSU has a bunch of highly-paid defensive coaches who've been getting rocked week after week this season, and seem completely unwilling to make changes. Meanwhile UM's defense has looked all world.
You also factor in this kid is 18 and all he's hearing from the national media is that Urban is gone after this year. Of course it's going to effect him.
OSU has to come out and make a statement the rest of the season. Not necessarily for Harrison, he may already be gone, but for kids in the 2020 class forward.
I said in another thread. Urbans loyalty to certain players have cost him in recruiting(harrison).Everyone who is not a homer can see that the program is in trouble.Recruits seen it last year.Urban has ran its course. It looks like florida in his last year. I remember watching them against michigan maybe. They couldn't hike the ball. the center to QB was horrendous. They also couldn't move the ball.
And Michigan, in that time has......lost to Toledo and also its last 3 bowls games to Florida State, Miss St and South Carolina...leys trade places, shall we?
Man I’m just saying.Recruiting has taken a hit. Urban depends on Uber talented players. Not his coaching ability. Players are wising up to his loyalty and question it. They all talk to each other. I’m not saying trade places. I’m saying Urbans act has worn thin. Recruits see it and it’s gonna chase some of them away.
#2,#2,#4 recruiting the last 3 years!
U drunk bro?
What hit are you talking about??
Certainly you mean future or dare i say the 19 class?
Either way, that is a crazy take!
Look at this years class. I know most teams would love to be there.It started last year with recruits complaining on Twitter about Haskins not playing. The negativity has carried over this year in the more talented players not playing. Couple that with off field issues. No bro I’m not drunk last year was the beginning. The seeds were planted and your starting to see it materialize.
Remind me how Haskins falls on the level of John Brantley at UF? Cause I don't see that at all. Things were much, MUCH worse at Florida during Urban's final season there than they are right now at OSU. That was a locker room filled with malcontents and players getting in trouble off the field that ran completely roughshod over Urban. This locker room doesn't have that kind of drama from what I can tell. I think part of the problem with this year's group is that we don't have enough of those extreme vocal leaders in the mold of a JT Barrett or Billy Price who specialize in rallying the team. You've got guys like Isaiah Prince and Parris Campbell who are trying to fill those roles but don't really have the right personality types for it. So it's a bit more of a struggle. But I don't think this compares to Urban's final season at Florida at all. Urban is a much different person now from who he was back then.
It’s Urbans job to lead the team. The whole leadership thing is over rated. You lead by example to a degree. Make a play hold teammate accountable. Urbans last season at Florida was a train wreck. This season doesn’t look much better. Yes they are 8-1 the teams they have beat are sorry. The SEC in Urbans last year was good. If OSU played anyone ranked they would be in trouble. Best team they have played is PSU. That ain’t saying much.
I will agree that the teams the Bucks have beaten are really bad. But let’s not pretend that they control who they play in conference. Ironically they didn’t get the best of the West this year. They got an up and comer in Purdue and it was a disaster. But Purdue will probably never get a defense the same level as their offense so they are a one trick pony. Missagain and Penn State will get better even after losing their current QBs. MSU will be relevant again probably next season. Whisky will regroup and Nebraska will be a powerhouse in the West in a year or two. But OSU has had a cakewalk. Up u til LSU, Bama’s schedule was a joke too. The problem for the rest of college football is Bama has returned to dominance on the defensive side of the ball. It’ll be lights out until Tua turns pro. That’s not until 2020. I don’t see the comparisons to Meyer’s last season at Florida. They were loaded with criminals and trouble makers that year, 2010-2011 I believe. The Bucks have a bad defense and porous o-line but they have enough talent to win these games against MSU and Maryland. UM? Not likely.
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You my friend are an idiot!
All due respect.
All due respect.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! When someone says, "With all due respect," it really means with no respect whatsoever. I DV'd your comment because your post is the epitome of one that deserves it.
I wish I knew the basis of Wiltfong's prediction, which does seems ominous since this change immediately follows Harrison visit to the Buckeyes. Unfortunately, Harrison saw the Buckeyes underperforming, and (unless i'm mistaken) he attended one of TTUN's recent big wins.
So, I'm wondering if Wiltfong has really heard anything or is he merely basing his prediction on the aforementioned circumstantial evidence and nothing more?
Or maybe somebody saw Harrison looking like he had closed body language on the Buckeye sidelines. If that's the case, I wouldn't make too much of it.
Thing is, Harrison seems tight-lipped kid, which is actually admirable, and if he's still contemplating (vs. favoring) going to another school, I could see him going out of his way to be especially reserved at a Buckeye game so as to not mislead anybody...
But that doesn't equate to choosing TTUN.
Granted, it's obviously still possible that he'll head elsewhere, bu if there's still a chance, I think that beating TTUN and closing out the season strong is going to be a key factor for land Harrison, or for that matter, having a strong finish with 2019 recruiting in general.
To that end, heck, if OSU beats TTUN for a 6th straight year, on top of which, Harrison can see that the Buckeyes need help on defense with Bosa gone (and Young probably one year away from going to the NFL), and yet, the kid still chooses TTUN, well, while I won't wish him bad luck, I'd hesitate to wish him much good luck, since, apparently, he'd just throw it away.
People tend to make their own good luck by making the best possible choices, and let's hope Harrison makes what everybody at Ohio State believes is the right choice--and with plenty of evidence to back it up.
Seems like everyone, even the experts, are basing just on speculation or feel. No one has really cited any concrete evidence publicly - doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Usually when there is smoke there is fire when it comes to recruiting though. Time will tell. The Buckeyes will move forward with or without him.
I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..
People tend to make their own good luck by making the best possible choices,
Right on CC!
I've heard it said that luck is when opportunity meets preparation. Let's see if UFM can introduce opportunity to preparation in regards to ZH?!?
I think a lot of people are predicting him to go to Shitigan because of this video:
Interesting. I didn't think it came across that bad, and it seemed obvious the questions were being asked by a Michigan reporter. It was interesting that he says he talks to Washington about once a week. I feel like LJ and Urban are probably on him every day - maybe he doesn't like that much attention?
If nothing else, I have to ask--does Harrison strike anybody here as the kind of kid who would secretly whisper in Steve Wiltfong's ear and given him an inside scoop, or otherwise share inner secrets with some anonymous tipster?
I mean, sure, I can see how that video could lead someone to think Harrison's leaning towards TTUN, but more than anything else, I think that's simply because most people would 'expect' him to be leaning towards Ohio State, in which case, anything different than that is interpreted as a sign that's he's not gonna be a Buckeye.
It's not a bad guess, to be honest.
But it's also not a very good one.
Putting biases aside (as much as I can), I wouldn't want to hang my hat on a prediction based off of that video. He not only strikes me as a kid who doesn't want to tip his hand one way or the other, but more than that, he just seems sincerely undecided. As far as I can tell, he's genuinely up in the air and it's a truly close call.
That being the case, at this point, anything could probably sway his decision, including, among other things, how both teams finish out the year. Beyond that, maybe he'll grow closer to certain players or coaches in one program or the other... who knows? Again, unless Wiltfong is hearing new and truly legit information, he's just guessing.
Personally, I say he's guessing.
Based on that video and all other reports, Harrison sure seems like he's going to hold off on a decision until the last minute. Heck, if anything, maybe Harrison will resent being put in TTUN's camp a bit too presumptuously.
But I doubt it.
More than that, I sincerely doubt that he's passing along secret information to anybody. More likely, Wiltfong knows somebody who talked with Harrison, and based on Harrison saying nice things about TTUN (just as in the video), the unnamed source has tipped off Wiltfong that he thinks the kid's mind is made up.
In other word... it's just somebody's opinion.
To me, Harrison seems like he's got his own mind... and I doubt he'll make up his mind (or at least tell anybody he has) until he needs to.
interesting note that ttun's rayshon barry came back saturday from his rehab after there was a bunch of speculation here on 11W that he would opt to take the bosa route and shut it down for the draft. instead he suited up and balled... i'm not sayin he's in bosa territory, but how do you think that played in the ttun locker room???
Hope they celebrated it with a shitburger cook out, and forgot the buns
Or one dude had a core injury that required surgery and the other dude has a lingering shoulder injury that did NOT require surgery.
other than that, GREAT comparison....
Rashan Gary's mother posted on Facebook over a week ago in order to address the rumors that were rolling over all the Michigan boards and starting to be picked up by national media, that Gary was simply going to hold himself out of the rest of the season to work on his NFL status.
His mother ( who apparently had his permission) stated that Gary was injured in practice the week before the ND game. He played in the ND game, then fell on his shoulder again and then was told after an MRI and CT that if he didn't rest and rehab his shoulder, he would be looking at surgery for it. 4-6 weeks.
This is different than Bosa's situation, which had him out for the season, with virtually no practice time before a post season game. So packing up and leaving actually has merit in Bosa's case, even if many here think they wouldn't have done it. Bosa's father apparently runs the show with Nick , whereas Gary's mother is supportive but not making his decisions for him.
thank you sir for the clarification and clear distinction between the two injuries. whether we like it or not, i still believe his return was probably roundly applauded in the ann arbor locker room.
Well, hopefully we can beat them and make him change his mind.
FWIW Bill Kurelic hasn't changed his CB yet. He is more plugged into Zach than anyone else. It will be interesting to see what Bill does with his CB in the coming days.
I don’t know where Zach is going obviously, but you can bet the 247 osu guys are going to hang onto those osu CBs until you pry them out of their cold, dead hands.
One of the best players in the entire country lives within minutes of campus with one of the best and likable DL coaches in the country--and he is going to choose Michigan? That's pretty embarrassing.
Our objective is simple: to make the state of Ohio proud.
for him or OSU?
Like it or not, the fact is TTUN has been getting better pretty much every single year under JH. As fun as it has been to shit on them for the last 18 seasons, this isnt the same program we've been owning over that time period. Right now, they look like they can compete for a National Championship. They have arguably the best DC in the country, Harrison has a great relationship with Al Washington, he has also mentioned his relationships with TTUN players as well. Harrison was originally from Chicago IIRC, so it isn't like he was born and bred to be a Buckeye. It isn't like he is passing up a chance to play at OSU for a school like Rutgers, it's THAT team. They have great facilities, they have a great coaching staff, their players are hungry, and it looks like they are going to eat very well this season. No one should be surprised that they finally caught up with us, there was a reason everyone here kept saying "wait 'til he goes back to the NFL", most of the people saying that knew he would eventually get them to be competing with us again. So it is about time we stop acting like TTUN is a shit stain version of their once proud program any longer, they are talented, they are pissed off, they are well coached and extremely motivated. No one REALLY knows what our coaching staff is going to look like next year or in four years and I can guarantee a lot of recruits are thinking the same thing. TTUN is the hotter program at the moment, and it looks like we are going to be trading wins and losses on and off the field once again.
JH has been
How is that better every single year?
How are they looking this year?
Like they’ve lost to the only good team they’ve played, and that one good team is overrated AF.
And that “overrated AF” team is undefeated.
Impressive with that murderers row of a schedule they have
Ok, so what about the game against PSU? We can go on and on, but they have not simply beat teams, they have destroyed teams. Sure they lost to Notre Dame, we got hammered by Purdue.
man just give michigan credit. They are a good squad.It happens.They will be favored against OSU.The whole everyone but OSU sucks is foolish. Michigan is legit. ND is legit. Who has OSU beat. The signature win?PSU,who michigan just waxed by 40.I dont get why people won't acknowledge things. By not accepting facts makes a homer.
Ohio State isn’t a very high measuring stick this year, and OSU being worse than normal doesn’t change the fact that Michigan doesn’t have an impressive win this season. Could they be legit? Sure, but we’ve heard that before when they beat up on the teams they’ve beaten so far and then fold when the games start to matter.
Pretty stinging loss, if that happens.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
If that's where the kid wants to attend college then so be it. I'm sure it has nothing to do with OSU and the success they've had on the field as a team and with D-lineman. If he chooses that team up north, may be go 0-4 against us. I'm sure he'll be successful no matter where he ends up. I hope he chooses OSU.
Til its official please blow this thread up. If birm or bill greene say it so I'll believe it. Last I heard he hasnt decided.
If birm or bill greene say it so I'll believe it.
FWIW, Birm also flipped his crystal ball to UM
Yeah in an article today he pretty much stated it's no longer a question of if, but when. He also mentioned a couple of potential flips as well.
But in his article from Sunday when recapping his visit, both sources said it went well for the most part...so who’s he talking too because it ain’t Zach.
Well judging by the sudden swing in CB's it seems like a lot of people are getting the same change in feeling that Birm did. A lot of things could have happened that caused it despite Harrison not talking publicly. A few hypotheticals:
I think you are right on the mark. I know Harrison had a good visit to Michigan for the Wisconsin game. More importantly, SO DID HIS FAMILY. Harrison's family wanted him to stay in Columbus, but that last visit had an impact. Add to that the TOSU Nebraska game, and this impacted the .
The decommitment yesterday (2020 4 star DT prospect Denver Warren) is huge, and is likely linked to Harrison. You can criticize Michigan, but the only way this makes sense (telling Warren there was no room for him) would be for one or two better kids to commit, silently or otherwise. Michigan is currently in it for Harrison, and also for George Karlaftis, 4 star #71 nationally SDE, currently committed to Purdue. There may be others out there I don't know about. Michigan already has 3 DL commits for 2019.
I honestly wouldn't expect much criticism for telling a 2020 kid over a year out from signing day that there is no room. You don't turn down a prospect like Harrison, period.
Why would a 2020 DT be linked to Harrison, who is a 2019 DE?
Harrison committing to TTUN means they no longer have a scholarship available for the DL in 2020.
That doesn’t make good sense imo. They could have an injury or a transfer. They could be leaving themselves thin. But whatever.
They have six guys committed to play d-line already for 2019. They will be fine with depth. Harrison is a guy you don't say no to, and if it means pulling a scholarship for a 2020 kid who reportedly has been suspended for pot use and other red flags..... well you do it.
Birm has tweeted that OSU fans wont like where he thinks Harrison will end up.
"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa
It’s not over so I’m just in wait and see mode.
Well, this is America. A kid can go to college wherever he's accepted.
Buckeye fans have the right to be disappointed if a target declines OSU's offer. While it's tempting, and within their rights, to express indignation when a target goes elsewhere, in the long run, few people regret having taken the high road.
Take the high road, it's less crowded.
Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.
Still a team game, no matter the ending here.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
Here is what annoys me. We had 2 kids commit yesterday and most people are still more worried about a kid that may or may not commit here. Worry about the kids that are here or that have already decided to come here and not so much about if one will go elsewhere.
I didn't see anything damaging in the video. People reading into stuff.
I'll take a wait and see mode. Wandale robinson was going to OSU, then Nebraska, then Kentucky in the span of about two weeks. National signing day will tell us where he is going; not CBs.
The Crystal Balls came in after 2020 DL Denver Warren decommitted from Michigan. He was told they had too many DL committed. Well, they didn't when they took his commitment, so everyone is assuming Harrison is a silent to Michigan and only came to the OSU game as a sign of respect.
"Let's beat the shit out of Michigan. Have a good night." - UFM
Interesting. That's a bit odd though because they now have 0 DL committed for 2020 and you have to assume they would still take some. Odd to see a 2019 commit affect 2020 in this way.
He should go where he wants. Not worried, Gary was rated higher and 0-2 against the Buckeyes. Luckily, one player does not make or break your team. Still hope he chooses the good guys.
Bears...Buckeyes... Battlestar Galactica.
If they're not with us they are against us, especially those that choose ttun. Like other fan bases we need to come down hard as an entire state on recruits in state that choose rivals. Make them think twice. Why wish someone well that is your rival? Fan is short for fanatic, we need to stay passionate with our love & hate. The kid is a beast and LJ could develop him into a #1 pick, he would be a fan favorite from the day he commits, and more than likely go on to be an outstanding pro. Some may find this irrational, well I hate to tell you but there are a lot of other fans that feel this same way, they probably would say it more if not for pc police. Go Bucks!!
Come down hard as state on Harrison if he picks Michigan? What do you advise, that everyone chase him out of Bob Evans with pitchforks? Perhaps write him mean messages on Twitter? Grow up. He's a 17 or 18 year old kid. He may happen to like Michigan better than Ohio State as far as personal fit. Should we send mean messages to the top out of state players that attend Ohio State for being disloyal to their home state school too? Or is it only bad when it doesn't work out in favor of the Buckeyes?
Some may find this irrational, well I hate to tell you but there are a lot of other fans that feel this same way, they probably would say it more if not for pc police.
What you are saying is irrational, and people who think in this manner are the worst part of college football. I get it, it sucks that he probably is going to our rival. Grow up. He is making his choice. So be it. This type of over-the-top stupidity belongs in a Tennessee message board.
Who gives a damn..one thing I can promise you is this, Ohio State football will march in, regardless of who our leader is, or what recruits we miss out on.. it happens every year..
Why are ppl just now coming to this conclusion? He's not coming here. He was never coming here. He wants to get away from home. I wish him the best. We'll be fine.
I'm with you, I think the writing has been on the wall for a long time now. He's just biding his time because he knows the backlash for his family will be unavoidable, which is unfortunate.
everyone hates losing great athletes to rivals, especially when those kids live in ohio, but we'll get our share of top talent and, when we have a great top to bottom coaching staff, more of those 5*s will choose tOSU.
Love how OSU can't keep the best in Ohio, and a player in our back yard at home..
It's not like the staff ignored him, didn't roll out the red carpet or treated him like crap on his visits. If I remember, they kind of had an open door policy for him and he came to a lot of practices. I can't blame the staff on this one. Sometimes a kid just wants to do something different than what was expected.
Too many question marks it looking good . TTUN finally have a steam roller going. Unfortunately we have lost some shine.
Go root for TTUN then.
"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski
All you browns fans need to start clamoring for Haslam to hire Don Brown.
Would love to get Don Brown lmao
I know from my profile my accountability is probably minimal, however I've gotten word hes a silent commit to TTUN. Source is rivals for anyone wondering.
Forgive me for being negative, but with 2 5-star defensive ends and an otherworldly 5-star safety recruit (Dax Hill out of Oklahoma), all of you who were hoping for a "more competitive" Michigan are about to get what you asked for.
Oh, you were wrong to ask for that, by the way.
Will they play their 4th years against us? Will Harbaugh and Don Brown stick around if they have success? Dealing with success is why we are where we are. Dealing with success to me is the hardest thing to do. So if they are successful, it comes with silver bullet linings for us. IMO anyway
Crystal balls does not mean a thing. I have one for sale if any one is interested. These are 18 year old kids. I would take Larry Johnson teaching my kid ANY day. I have no clue where Harrison is going neither does crystal balls.
This just in. Breaking news. I got a snake man.
Man you guys are a lot better people than me. I can’t find it in myself to wish a kid the best playing for a team I despise. Newsflash if the kid does well that’s means Michigan does well. If I’m completely honest with myself I hope he is a bust and never plays a down for Michigan. Not that I hate the kid but I do hate SCUM. I do wish him all the success in the world off of the football. Maybe he can be a successful attorney or Dr. but I will not be rooting for this kid to succeed in any manner on the football field. Sorry.
I guess I just look at it that a kid that age should pick the school that fits for him. I played a D1 sport at school with a major rivalry not too far off from OSU/Michigan and one of my classmate's dad went to the rival school and that school had a kid in their class whose brother had played at our school. So the dads swapped season tickets and supported their kids going to the school that was right for them.
As someone who tried to get to the top level playing a sport and had teammates and rivals reach that level, I root for all these kids to take it as far as they can. Will I be jumping up and down supporting Harrison at Michigan? No. But I'm not going to actively root against him besides wanting Ohio State to beat Michigan each any every time. I acknowledge Michigan is going to have some really good players too and some of them are going to make the NFL. I can root for Ohio State and root for Michigan to lose without singling out Harrison to hate on because he picked the college that was right for him. So thats how I view at it. I'm not in the business of rooting for high school and college kids to fail at their dreams.
Thank you, very well stated.
I agree that’s the attitude I should have but if I’m honest I let my selfish fandom get in the way. I’m not actively rooting against Harrison specifically but now (if) he plays for SCUM I am rooting against every player there. A Harrison sack each game is one step closer to a Michigan winning that game. Just can’t bring it to root for anything about they program. Now, had he decided to go to Bama or somewhere else that does not play us every year, sure ball out and make the NFL. But I guess if I’m honest I care too much about my teams success and my rivals losing that I put it before the hopes and dreams of kids. Wish I could have your perspective, but I’m just being honest.
Harrison has been trending away for a looooong time. When he didn't follow his initial commitment date back in August, it was virtually a death blow for OSU's chances with him. Would love to be wrong, but hard to see otherwise.
I just checked and 5 star Nick Bosa isn't playing this year, but taking a Scholarship, and many other 5 stars have left early. We tend to get at most 2 years of starts out of these 5 stars. I'd rather get more high level 3 stars and low level 4 stars that play 4 years. Also, Harrison's team wasn't very good this year I understand. One player isn't gonna make or break anything, and honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there were better future college DEs out there that don't have the prototype size and speed numbers that the NFL and recruiting rankings look for. The more I think about it and watch 3 star guys like JJ Watt kill it, the more I think recruiting ratings are way overrated and really mostly measure how ready a recruit is for the Pros from a size and speed standpoint, rather than pure smarts or skills.
There's lots of stuff recruiting *s don't/can't measure.
We tend to get at most 2 years of starts out of these 5 stars. I'd rather get more high level 3 stars and low level 4 stars that play 4 years.
This happens when the 5 stars live up to their ranking. Why would this ever be a bad thing? And don't forget, if the 3 or 4 star is good enough, they'll leave after their junior year, too. So what you're saying is, you'd rather have a player who is not as good for four or five years than a star who is here for three years?
I never said I wanted a lesser player. In fact, my post points out that man times 3 and 4 star players are equal to the 5 star guys, but either weren't as exposed by not going to camps, or don't have future NFL size. These guys often are more skilled but don't have that size...which I can't emphasize enough. I happen to think guys that come in with more hype, are thinking on a 3 year plan, but the guys that have less may not think about it so early.
What I really want to see is a nice mix of leaders that may give us 4 years, along with 3 year guys and guys in between those two. I feel we are really lacking in the Senior leadership and late bloomers.
2010 lost Jordan Hicks to Texas & 2011 lost Trey DePriest to Alabama. And yet, managed to win the Natty in 2014.
— Bonay (@kbonay) November 6, 2018
Or when we let Ryan Kelly commit to Bama without an offer.
Or when we let Ryan Kelly commit to Bama without an offer.
You can thank Bollman for that, though he did get Bobek instead. Bollman was also going to let Decker go to Notre Dame without a fight, thankfully Meyer righted that wrong before it was too late.
For those who might not remember, Jordan Hicks was born in Colorado before moving to Cincinnati at some point in his life. His allegiances were always in Texas from what I remember so Hicks was never a recruit who had great loyalty to Ohio or Ohio State. DePriest had family in Alabama. With Alabama being Alabama, it's not easy for a recruit to say "No" to the Tide.
I'll be much more concerned with OSU's recruiting if the Buckeyes weren't showing lots of love to the best recruits in Ohio. The simple truth is that not all who graduate from Ohio high schools love the Buckeyes and some will go elsewhere. So be it. Go Bucks!
Along the same lines, I am not sure how many years of his childhood were spent there, but Kurelic has mentioned that Zach Harrison has lived in Chicago for some of his youth. I am not sure when he moved to Ohio or if it even matters in his case.
I believe I read he moved right before HS. So definitely not the long reaching Ohio ties you would assume by the comment section.
Dang, KB--where'd you find that internet take down?
New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.
Losing a 5 star recruit here or there isn't gonna make or break a program, But losing in-state 5 stars......who were both top 5 national recruits....2 years in a row looks like a trend. I can just hear the Wacky Khaki up north telling a recruit,"OSU's a mess. They can't even keep their own top players".
We'll get our share and we'll be fine, but we really need to keep the home grown boys home.
The bad 'trend' ends at 2 years in a row (assuming Harrison goes up North). We already have the #1 player in the state for 2020 locked up.
its a trend!!!!
We'll get the No. 1 guy for 2021 too.
Jackson Carman wasn't even top 10 by the end and we landed the one player at his position who was ranked higher.
Be a buckeye or lose to them!!!
I am sure him witnessing OUR FANS booing OUR TEAM at halftime, as they left the field, made no impression upon his decision making process.
Far worse, I'd imagine, was seeing a team (or coaches) that - frankly - deserved to be booed. I am one of the positive ones around here, but when you're the 2nd highest paid coaching staff in the country with a top 2 talented depth chart in the country, you're not allowed to be losing to a 2-6 team at half and to expect the locals to be thrilled.
that's why PSU is pulling 5 stars out of their ass after losing 3 games including their homecoming.
Parting rational comment on this thread:
We have a 5 star commit from Texas and a 5 star commit from Georgia in this class. You don't condemn them for following their heart and choosing the school that best fits them (in this case, Ohio State) despite strong options locally in their home states. I hate that Harrison seems to be trending away (and to our rival), but ultimately, some kids' dream just isn't to play hero for their home school, rather, it's to "become a man" and do something completely different in a completely different environment. My fandom prevents me from being happy, but I get it.
Excellent, excellent point. You are so right.
In the end one player does not make or break Ohio State, which has been and always will be the premier program in the B1G. No other team has come close to sniffing a national title in the last 20 years while OSU has played for 5 and won 2.
I can take us whiffing on a 2-star or 3-star that ends up being a great player elsewhere. I can understand us losing a 4-star or 5-star Ohio prospect to top-tier college football programs... It happens. It sucks.
But the more I think about us losing a Columbus-area 5-star to our neighbors up north... It just makes me super spicy!
One we recruited for years and wanted in the worst way. Well, it sucks extra hard! Oh well, such is life.
FWIW, he's wearing a Michigan hoodie to school today. Take that as you will.
"I call them That School Up North because I hate them."-Woody Hayes
More than I need to know, probably.
Please tell me you are a teacher at his school and that is how you know this...
Think we all have expected him to go up there, you can let it go now.
Prolly has Michigan jammies too.
If true, sounds like a kid that really “hates attention”........
Remember when Ohio State kicked the tar out the TTUN for the past 13 out of 14 years? Remember at the beginning of the year when Notre Dame beat TTUN and people thought another average TTUN team? Remember when some people on this site claimed that due to the recent success against TTUN, The Game didn't have the same importance anymore (not everyone, but some people's thoughts)?
Guess what gang....I won't say TTUN is back and a perennial top 5 team, but they have a top 5 team this year. They are winning some of the recruiting battles. The juices are flowing and I love to hear people pissed that TTUN is having success again.
Don't get your panties in a wad instead tighten up that chin strap a bit because the shit just got real. This is the rivalry and hate we want, embrace it....don't bitch about potential losing one in-state recruit.
No such thing as a bad win
I generally agree, but Michigan beat OSU in recruiting battles even when they were not playing well. OSU went and got their best in state players too.
It still stinks.
Reminder for those that forgot:
For what it's worth I've heard from people close to him that he's coming to ohio state... safe to say no one really knows what he's thinking
But but but but he wore free team clothing to highschool.
Harrison is simply pulling off the biggest troll job on MIchigan. Ever.
If true he would immediately become my favorite player
Is Harrison from Columbus? Or did he move here for high school?
Born in Chicago moved to Columbus around aged 4. Family has never had any interest in CFB so local ties to OSU are weak to say the least. Local kids who drag out the recruiting process are often delaying the decision to limit backlash from the local fans.
I don't think his parents are Ohio State fans. I just don't think he bleeds Scarlet and Grey. I think he's scUM all the way.
Did he have a good season this year?
I thought the chatter for awhile was that his parents or at least his mom preferred for Zach to attend OSU and be in Columbus. That may be more due to his mom just wanting him close to home than love for OSU but either way that was supposedly where she wanted him to be. I doubt it's to the degree that she will try and force him to stay at home or pressure him in the unhealthy way we've seen some parents do in the past (which is good even if he picks the bad guys).