Maryland Punter Assaulted at Practice by Pro-Durkin Teammate

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

At this point I don't care anymore. It's not bullying, they're both grown men. It's called fighting.

Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not

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gumtape's picture

So one of these grown men will likely lose their scholarship, get kicked off the team, and get charged with criminal assault.

Because their coach didn't teach them how to deal with their problems.

High and tight boo boo

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

It's not the coaches responsibility to teach them to control their emotions. Parents are supposed to teach that to their kids at a young age.

Also still don't care, just like I didn't care anything about Zach Smith's personal life, or Donald Trumps personal life. I don't care what happens to a grown man in Maryland.

Yes the McNair guy who died was sad, but once again it doesn't affect me. Obviously after a 2 month investigation DJ Durkin wasn't responsible for what happened

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faux_maestro's picture

You don't care that laws have been broken. This is bad.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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TheBadOwl's picture

Yes the McNair guy who died was sad, but once again it doesn't affect me.

Saying you don't care about objectively bad things so long as they don't happen to you is one of the absolute shittiest takes that someone can have. This might come as a shock, but empathy is… good? 

Obviously after a 2 month investigation DJ Durkin wasn't responsible for what happened

Durkin hired Rick Court, who psychologically tormented the players and put them through workouts that were overly brutal even by division 1 college football standards, leading to the death of a player, and apparently the two were so close that players felt uncomfortable voicing their concerns about Court to Durkin. 

It's Durkin's bad hire that created a bad culture at that program. Even if McNair's death (which, despite not directly affecting you, is a tragedy) isn't directly his fault, it still makes his presence there untenable for their program. No parent in their right mind should want their child to play under DJ Durkin after reading the details of that report. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

If you haven't, I suggest you read the link. You may think otherwise. There are two sides to every story but this version sounds like this kid got mobbed. That's not a fight. It's a mugging.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

Ok, it still doesn't affect me. So I still don't care. People get mugged all of the time, it doesn't become a national story. As I've been typing this at least 10 people have been mugged.

Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not

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bucknut1994's picture

You do care though because you keep commenting about it

#94Ways

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LCT's picture

All due respect, you kind of seem like an idiot here.

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Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Let's see if I can put this into a context you can understand and might care about: a rumor goes around your workplace that you reported a supervisor to HR for "conduct unbecoming" for someone in his position. There's no truth or facts or evidence you said anything to HR, merely suspicion; in fact, it turns out there was more than one person who complained so even if you did, you're not alone. The supervisor, who has an equal number of supporters and detractors, is terminated as a result and one of your co-workers who liked him confronts you, starts punching you and then other co-workers, instead to breaking it up, pin your arms behind your back so he can pummel you, resulting in serious injuries. But you'd be OK with that because, well, you're all adults, after all, right?

You don't have to care about UMD or anything related to it but you can at least be human and show a little outrage, compassion and empathy.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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LawClub's picture

Yes.  Plus aside from the wrongness of it, if we all didn't care about anything because "it doesn't affect me," it would indeed, affect us.  Mob rule is no way to be.

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cdub4's picture

Buckeye wins and losses don't affect you, but yet you comment on them with emotion. Weird.

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Señortaystee62's picture

Yeaaaaaaaaaa...I'm gonna guess most on here would call that assault if it were a division 1 power 5 football player coming at them.

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stxbuck's picture

No, it's not bullying, it is assault and intimidation by adults-a lot worse than "bullying" whatever that may be. Usually when the mob sends leg breakers around, everyone involved are also adult men.

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kmp10's picture

It's also called 2nd degree assault and carries a stiff prison sentence. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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chris's picture

If one grown man beats the hell out of another grown man, that's called assault and is illegal in our country... Regardless of how you feel about it.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Famous last words from many a jail inmate. 

Barney Fife lives, and he lives among us.  

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Was it a 5- or 15-yard roughing the punter penalty?

EDIT: I posted that tongue-in-cheek before I read the link. It helps to read a link before posting. Here's a snippet:

Barber, of Mechanicsburg, Pa., said word had gotten around on the team that he is a “whistle-blower” who talked to investigators about problems on the team. When Durkin returned to practice Tuesday to watch the team practice, his supporters on the team felt emboldened and began taunting Barber, he said. Some mocked and insulted him, while others threw footballs at him, Barber said.

Toward the end of the practice, another player attacked Barber, attempting to punch him in the face, Barber said. While the two teammates were fighting, others tried to intervene and grabbed Barber’s arms behind his back, he said. That allowed the other player to punch Barber repeatedly in the face, leaving him with a black eye, needing multiple stitches on his forehead and a dislocated shoulder, Barber said.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Buck298's picture

Any player involved in that altercation needs to be kicked off the team immediately. Those watching and who did nothing should be suspended. Those that held Barber and hit him should face criminal charges. No place for this on any team at any time. 

Send the Earth Reverberating

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Fatpants's picture

What a mess. 

PG <3 PG

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Spartan13's picture

Sounds like something Don Brown needs to go fix

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LCT's picture

I like this idea.

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Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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iowabuckeyes's picture

In separate but related news, the chairman of Maryland's board of regents resigned today.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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brutus0717's picture

After the Governor called him out, he really had no choice.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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TMac's picture

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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TMac's picture

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Well, someone's lying.

Has anyone seen Manti Te'o's girlfriend? Maybe she beat up the punter?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Art Harrell's picture

This is pure 100% assault....if the University doesn't intervene and hold the predator's accountable...the NCAA should shut this football program completely down...Go NCAA...Go Bucks...

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gumtape's picture

Update. This was punter on punter violence!

The player he accused, punter Wade Lees, acknowledged on Twitter that he had been in an altercation with Barber but disputed Barber’s characterization.

The only solution to this problem is a full investigation commissioned by the board of trustees.

High and tight boo boo

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LCT's picture

There is surely far more to this story as punter on punter violence = slapfight

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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chemicalwaste's picture

They can Crane kick the crap out of each other.

Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.

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brutus0717's picture

"full investigation commissioned by the board of trustees"

I'm not sure I trust them to get this right. They did advocate for Durkin's reinstatement, after all.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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gumtape's picture

That's total sarcasm on my part. Exactly for the reasons you describe.

High and tight boo boo

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Skunk bear blood's picture

IT. WAS. A. FUMBLE.

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Señortaystee62's picture

This story has really jumped the shark on the weirdness factor eh

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Thurdsty's picture

You obviously have a soft program when the punters are the bullies.

Behold the chunky whoop ass.

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BayCountyBuck's picture

The Big Ten East really sucks at crisis management and PR. PSU, MSU, OSU and now Maryland. All had very obvious and relatively easy fixes, instead boards of trustees, school presidents and athletic directors collectively and inexplicably crapped their beds. 

When I was 6 I was thinking about this rivalry. This one is seared on your soul, It's ingrained through every part of your body. -Urban Meyer

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Ohio States easy fix was to fire Urban Meyer. Just because it’s easy doesn’t make it right 

2x account suspension survivor 

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BayCountyBuck's picture

Here I thought the the "easy" fix would haven been to fire Zach Smith for a whole host of job performance deficiencies that had nothing to do with his relationship. Had they done that easy thing, the media day and subsequent witch hunt never occurs. 

When I was 6 I was thinking about this rivalry. This one is seared on your soul, It's ingrained through every part of your body. -Urban Meyer

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FormerBuck's picture

I know I’ll get downvoted but honestly don’t care. I’m tired of the PC world we live in. Anyone who has a problem with this has clearly never played college or pro sports. This is how it works in those locker rooms. The only way this is bad is if Durkin ordered the fight, which I highly doubt. That backup punter will never play another game of college football. He has blacklisted himself from any team environment. Again, anyone that has played at a high level knows you keep things in house. If he had a problem with Durkin, he should have quit and transferred, because it’s obvious almost the entire team is on board with what Durkin has going on. This season has been a disaster for the Maryland players and coaches and only a few are to blame.

i have a feeling you guys are judging this the way you are because it’s not OSU. Think about if this happened here, cause I guarantee it could. When you have 115 kids on a team, some of them are gonna be unhappy and not like the seriousness and competitive nature of the program. What if a 4th string OL went to the administration and claimed Urban Meyer was a bully and treated the guys too rough? Would you take that players side or would you call him soft and should transfer cause this isn’t the program for him? You guys are all taking the players side here. 

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FormerBuck's picture

And I’ll add, all 4 years of college and every year as a pro, there were multiple fistfights amongst teammates.  And never did the media find out nor were there assault accusations 

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LCT's picture

You played college and pro football? And stuff like what's alleged here was common throughout? Do tell:

"While the two teammates were fighting, others intervened, trying to break up the fight and grabbed Barber’s arms behind his back, he said. That allowed Lees to punch Barber repeatedly in the face, leaving him with a black eye, needing multiple stitches on his forehead and a dislocated shoulder, Barber said."

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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FormerBuck's picture

Never said football. I played a much less violent sport and yes there were fights every year. None where other players held another but if that part is true, that just solidifies the fact that the team is totally behind Durkin and his program. It’s unfortunate thIs situation has come to this. Again, if 5 out of 115 think he’s a bully, that’s a problem for them 5. Don’t make it about the other 110. Now if it comes out that like 30 players say he was a bully and too tough, then I’ll change my mind. 

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Buck298's picture

Who knew the golf team antics got so bad?

Send the Earth Reverberating

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LCT's picture

Do you have a son? If not, imagine you do. One day a group of kids holds his arms back while another kid pummels his face with fists.

Boys will be boys? Toughen up, kid? Congrats on all that character you've built?

Figths happen. What's described in this situation isn't a fight.

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Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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Buck’em all.'s picture

FormerBuck:

are you Nick Swisher?

(p.s. you don’t have to answer in front of everybody, just give me a wink or something; Thanks man)

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

This is a classic example of an Is-Ought fallacy. Just because things commonly happened in the past without media scrutiny doesn't mean it was okay then or now. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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faux_maestro's picture

If there was proof of the 4th stringers allegations I would absolutely take his side. But then again I like the truth.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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BABuckeye's picture

Yeah, after the whole mess at Ohio State this year, I find it hard to trust any sports writer without proof. I suppose this distrust extends to all reporters. And to public officials. It’s a sad state of human race. 

I do trust Haskins to throw a good pass, so at least there’s that. 

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Spartan13's picture

I'm all for being TUFF and talking about how kids these days are soft but somebody died this is a different story. If the OSU coaches actions led to the death of a 20 year old kid I would want them fired. Im young call me a pussy but murder is crossing the line for me 

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cledaybuck's picture

What happened at Maryland is tragic, but I don't think murder is quite how I would describe it.

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

This story has nothing to do with being politically correct. If what was described by the punter is true that is assault, not a fight. I played a major D1 sport and we had fights in practice from time to time but nothing like what was described here. It seems unclear if the punter's story is true at this point but I don't quite see how political correctness comes into play here besides you bringing it up.

Your hypothetical also leaves out the key fact that a player died. Thats a bit different than "treating the guys too rough." I personally don't think being upset about treating guys too rough to the point of death is PC. I think plenty of people here might question Urban and the staff if that happened at OSU depending on the exact circumstances. 

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FormerBuck's picture

I say PC cause the current climate is believe the "victim" even without evidence. If you don't it's victim shaming. And we know that well here at OSU.

The fact there was a death is very tragic, but how are you guys blaming Durkin for that?  Do you honestly think there's a D1 head football coach that runs preseason conditioning drills??  This is 100% on the strength coach and trainers, and the independent report says as much, and that's why he was reinstated. 

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

Durkin was there and on the field. It's in the report. Look, accidents happen, and there seems to be plenty of blame to go around here but Durkin steers the ship. By the way, the board also recommended the trainers who botched this entire situation be retained so not sure their decision-making should be relied upon.

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Buckeytrips's picture

Durkins words about Strength Coach Rick Court: 

It’s so important, I believe, that the strength coach and the head coach are directly in line with one another in terms of what’s important, what’s the message we’re delivering, and Rick and I are. We’re totally synchronized in that and so he’s huge. He’s critical to all we do.

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stxbuck's picture

LeChuck punched Tyson Walter in the face over a racist comment and that was the end of it-not teammates ganging up on each other over cliques w/ the coaching staff. Fights happen in practice all the time, Fights don't happen b/c of "snitching" or team cliques all the time.

If a 4th string OL DIED-the points about the culture would be fairly self obvious. Fwiw, for those of you who don't know anything about Woody besides he wore glasses and and has the WHAC named after him, he was one of the first big time college coaches to actively promote hydration for players-that was a "radical" concept in the 50s and 60s, and, despite his tantrums, was not known as a "brutal" practice coach, even by the standards of the time.

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cledaybuck's picture

That was hardly the end of it.  Walter sued Bentley.  I'm sure team chemistry was great that year, especially along the OL.  This was just part of the avalanche that helped get John Cooper fired. 

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LCT's picture

IIRC, there was a WR on the team that year who tried to throw a student off the bridge at Morrill Tower.

Ahh, memories...

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cledaybuck's picture

I don't remember that (not saying it didn't happen though).  I do remember the 0.0 gpa though (Reggie Germany).

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stxbuck's picture

There was quite a bit of racial discord on the team in the later Cooper years-didn't really have anything to do with the coaching staff specifically, other than making poor recruiting decisions.

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Hovenaut's picture

Yeah - and I think that discord was born of the whole Stan Jackson-Joe Germaine platooning experiment.

Cooper was definitely out of touch with the locker room at the end.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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cledaybuck's picture

Agreed.  Leadership matters.

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KCAlum's picture

Yeah, that was the team that couldn't even snap the ball correctly in the loss against SC in the Citrus Bowl. 

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cledaybuck's picture

Hey look, it's LeCharles Bentley!

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

"The Maryland football culture is not toxic." 

Okay. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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Kernfan's picture

On this and a couple of other threads related to the MD situation, some people keep stating the players were behind Durkin.  Actually some of the players have been very vocal about wanting him gone, and went public on social media when he was reinstated.  The report on MD culture included a survey of players using same questions that were used in a 2017 survey of 32 other teams, and MD ranked in near the bottom of the list.  You can read those results starting on page 96 of the report here

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5020884/Maryland-football-pro...

Here is an article on players speaking out against Durkin (but article states he also has his supporters among players).  https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/10/31/some-maryland-football-...

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Hovenaut's picture

This is just sad.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

So you’re saying not all players wanted Durkin gone like the media led you to believe 

2x account suspension survivor 

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Buckeytrips's picture

I don't believe that statement was ever made. Some for...Some against... from everything I have read.  

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

There are a lot of different media outlets. I have seen maybe one or two slip in there that some players supported DJ Durkin. I would say that roughly 90% of the articles I’ve read left that out completely in favor of something along the lines of “sources saying players will walk out if DJ Durkin is retained” or “players fear retribution if DJ Durkin is retained”. 

This kind of slanted reporting shouldn’t surprise anyone after the way many of these same media outlets covered the Zach Smith/Courtney Smith situation 

2x account suspension survivor 

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JarheadBuck's picture

IMHO, this is because players supporting a coach (even one in hot water) is not news.  It's expected to be that way.  The news is when ANY players are against the coach, and especially if they walk out of a team meeting because of it. 

So, I completely understand reporting the newsworthy and not taking time to say that "some/many players still support him."  It would be like reporting "Man bites dog...and in other news dog bites man."

My 2 cents.

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Rockfordbuckeye's picture

I wouldn’t wish this program on any of our current assistants. 

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WesBranscum's picture

Sounds like it was McNair's parent lawyers that first started pushing the narrative that the fight was DJ related. I'm sure truth lays somewhere in the middle

WesBranscum

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LongIslandBuckeye's picture

Fake news strikes again...a number of Maryland players took to twitter to say this punter is a liar and the argument/fight had nothing to do with others supporting Durkin, rather the other punter was defending younger teammates.

Obviously none of us know the truth here but the support shown towards Wade Lees from teammates makes it seem that this kid Barber fabricated the story.

Its incredible the stuff that gets published without hearing both sides of a story, no fact checking whatsoever 

tOSU via LINY

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Nope, nothing toxic about that environment at all...

This is clearly Urban's fault.

Shandy is not beer

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silverbullet71's picture

Can we give Rutgers and Maryland the boot already? Seriously, what have either contributed to the B10?

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Sunny Buck's picture

Well, Maryland has beaten Texas twice and has an improving team. Really good offense and some exiting play makers. Also, considering the scandal surrounding their team this season, the Terps are doing pretty good.

Rutgers= B1G recruiting ground.

I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes

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DeacBuck's picture

Wait, people are claiming the punter dislocated his own shoulder and gave himself a black eye? Surely those things could be verified by sports medicine staff...

Go Bucks, Deacs, Panthers, Braves

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RK84's picture

So basically we have 15 yard penalty for roughing the kicker and a first down? No? Too much? I'll show myself out.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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BABuckeye's picture

When a college roommate dies, don’t schools give the “surviving” roommates some kind of break for that quarter/semester? Like all A’s or all “pass” or the right to drop classes without penalty or move out of dorms without penalty? Maybe the members of a team should get some break when a teammate dies, like transfer without penalty.  Seems these young men (or kids) need some help dealing with these super charged emotions. Some may overcome grief being part of a group (team), but other may need to step away from it. Cmon NCAA, jump in there and help these kids who need a fresh start before their lives are  screwed forever. 

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Jbucki's picture

Well it smells like fake news all over the place but I think this is what gets people fired up in the first place. How do you decide between he said she said stories? On top of that how does one or two investigations clear Durkin and then because some whining happens they fire them to be PC? I have no idea what the culture was like because clearly there are those who liked it and those who did not but when they hire someone to bring a low ranking team up in the standings you should expect so tough sledding. We live in an age of mob rule and you just hope you are on the right side of the mob.

JBuckI

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gumtape's picture

There is a great explanation from Michael McCann on si.com. They didn't fire him for cause. They just fired him. I assume legally that Maryland is like Ohio where you can fire someone for any reason as long as it isn't discrimination (ask the Cavs about this). Durkin will still get $5 million buyout.

The reason they fired him was a combination of the shit storm and the expectation that it would be nearly impossible for him to coach and recruit with his baggage.

Based on appearances, it doesn't seem like they really cared about McNair, which is the real tragedy.

High and tight boo boo

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elitesmithie's picture

So basically firing with cause equals no payment to coach

Firing for the hell of it means you pay the buyout

MD did option two to just be done with it correct?

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