Does the Media Have a Clue?

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Buckeye Knight's picture

Let's be honest, we were #2 by default since we were undefeated. We have plenty of issues to fix. I just want steady improvement from now on and to actually fix our schemes. We have plenty of talent.

We lost by 29 to Purdue. If any other top team did that, we'd be laughing at them and pointing out all their problems too.

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cmillertime247's picture

That’s the point though, the media put us at number 2 and now acting like Ohio St is a subpar team. How does that change in one week? Again the issues that lead to the loss against Purdue didn’t just pop up last week. Number 2 wasn’t by default it was by design, they put Ohio St in front of undefeated Notre Dame and Clemson. 

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McGrind's picture

How does that happen...they don’t watch the games. Giving up record runs, passes and everyone having a career day against osu...should of been a hint. 

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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RMLogic's picture

The media has more of a clue than the clueless coaches- Schiano and Davis. At this point Meyer and fans cannot ignore their incompetence.

KENT ST. and UCONN- the only 2 teams in football that have given up more big plays than OSU. And these 2 clowns keep their jobs.

And next week I am sure these fools will send Werner and Borland back out to start the Nebraska game.

Its enough to make us puke with disgust.

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steve-OH's picture

So you'd fire Meyer & Schiano right now?

For real?

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Why?  Because the media told you they suck?  Because, unless you're inside the program, you don't know WHAT those two are doing right and/or wrong.

You don't know, for instance, if Davis is in reality coaching proper technique and the players are just making the same mistakes over and over.  You have to rely on a reporter or color commentator, or likely based on my experience, some anonymous internet "expert" to start that narrative.

Local media like Tim May for example know alot about a program.  National media...not so much.  Here's a prime example from outside of Buckeye Football World.

When LeBron James was in Miami, the national narrative talked incessantly about where he was headed (or not headed) next.  As a high school basketball referee, I was immersed in a community that knew alot of people in the basketball world.  My family thought I was full of crap when I told them over Christmas Dinner that LeBron was going to come home.  I knew it because I worked games with referees out of Akron who were friends with the right people.  More than one had told me that Savannah had already told LeBron that her and the kids were coming back to NE Ohio, with/or without him.  But pundits like Stephan A. were just throwing shit against the wall to see what would stick and reporting it as fact. 

So, no, the national media rarely know WTF its talking about.  Heck, our own experience with the August From Hell should've told you that.

As a follow up on the LeBron story, I wasn't surprised when he left.  Not because I knew anything, but because I didn't believe anything anyone in the media was saying.  At this point, I had been out of the HS BBall Referee Network for a couple of years.  But about a month after LeBron left again, I ran into a very successful High School BBall coach I knew.  He told me that the "network" knew he was leaving before it was announced too.  That Savannah didn'r want the boys to play at StV/StM because she thought they'ld be under too much pressure and scrutiny as his sons and that she was the driving force again in the move out of Ohio so that they could grow up more normally.

Just my two sense on the National Media.  Remember, they always have an agenda.  Its always about them.

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aledyard's picture

I don't think you would have to be a program insider to realize that the defense, and in particular the back 7, has been below standard this year and has regressed throughout the season.  If you have one or two guys that aren't performing, then perhaps you can lay that blame on the players.  When it's an entire group, then that's coaching.    

While I agree there are some unscrupulous characters/news outlets in the media, I would like to think this is the exception and not the rule.  

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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Buckeye2861's picture

I just read the title and the short answer is no

"I love football. I think it is the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose." - Woody

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Media doesnt care about facts. They care about page views/TV viewership. If having Paul Finebaum shit on a stage gets them ratings they'll do it (they kind of already do every time he opens his mouth).

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I think that most in the media thought that Ohio State would fix the problems we all saw on display. But, they've done the exact opposite. Instead of fixing problems, they've only gotten worse. 

I still believe that the ceiling of this team is one that could beat Alabama. They are probably the only team in America that can match them athlete-for-athlete on the field. Of course, their floor is even lower than what we all witnessed last week.

The single thing that is so maddening about this team is the fact that they have the personnel to beat anyone, but for some God foresaken reason, they're incapable of achieving competence. 

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RMLogic's picture

This team could never beat Bama. They play soft and stupid. The LBs are the worst in 30 yrs. The running game is puke. They have 3 good defensive players. The defensive coaching is an incompetent joke, Recruiting issues in 2015 have killed this program. The players are just not that good.

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okiebuck's picture

Other then that, how'd you like the play Mrs. Lincoln???

The only hard day was yesterday

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Zonabuck's picture

The thing about OSU that people love is the real NFL talent we have on the roster. Even going back to the 2014 CCG against Wisky, most guys on set picked Wisconsin to win, but echoed Jerry Kill’s comments that when you look at the OSU players, they came from a completely different mold. That’s what makes games like Iowa 2017, Clemson 2016 and Purdue 2018 so infuriating. We have one of the greatest college football coaches of all time as HC. We have former head coaches at the coordinator positions. We have a solid up and comer calling plays. We have former NFL players on staff. We spend money on analysts that a vast majority of programs don’t have money for. We have the best DL coach in the game. Yet, we seem to come up once a year with an egg so big that it makes people write off the program. And I get it. A roster full of legit NFL talent, millions spent on coaching, yet we get outplayed, out-physicaled, outhustled by teams that have far less talent, making us look soft, slow, and ultimately quit.

It’s a sideline issue and until it gets addressed, we’ll have that asterisk. “As much talent as anyone, but not really sure if they’re capable of taking care of business.”  Why?

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earthpig's picture

It comes down to coaching..  A 5 start isn't worth a dang unless they are developed.  I haven't seen this team play with hald the motivation that I saw out of Purdue last week with a roster of 3 star kids..

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seyekcuB's picture

The only way to fix this is to start playing harder. Get off some blocks and actually make some blocks in the run game. Dobbins and Weber also need to do their part and actually break a tackle this year.

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

Most teams are rolling at this time of the year. They may be dealing with injuries. Ohio state looks like th er y are in spring ball. There are as many issues with the team, as there are stable parts. Very strange place to be with 4 games left in regular season. Hell I dont know, besides QB, d line, wide receivers, and kicking game...this team has not performed at a level near their ranking. Well, we only have 1 loss, can win the east, big ten, and maybe slip into the playoffs...hope the bye week gets em ready.

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NoVAsmitty's picture

To this point, I’d say only QB and WR room and punt have performed at or above expectations. D line has under-performed IMO. Other than 4th and 5 at PSU and some other flashes, the D line hadn’t been dominant or at expectations to date.  Bosa left 3Q and 5 games/6 weeks ago.  Our D seems to have too many chiefs. From what I’ve read Grinch is more a zone guy, Schiano 4-3, m2m guy, Davis 3-4, and LJ. None of it meshes. 

Watching MSU muck things up for Purdue and MSU D keeping Purdue in front of them in coverage. Purdue looks like tOSU in the red zone. Must be a bunch of rocket scientists up in EL. 

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Zonabuck's picture

I would say on O, the QB and WR have racked up some impressive stats, but we’re doing it with a lot of pitch and catch. We just don’t seem to be attacking downfield ever since the TCU game, and instead have become a dink and dunk team. It allows the defenses - even overmatched defenses like Purdue - to pin their ears back and come downhill at our O. We don’t even try to put the D on their heels. Now, that’s not on the QB and WRs - they’re doing what they are being asked to do - but I’d much rather see lower completion percentages but growth in routes, reads and conversions. 

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NoVAsmitty's picture

I agree Zona. With Dixon, McLaurin, Victor, and even Hill we should be able to exploit downfield much more than we have. Put Ruckert in and work him into seam routes.  It seems tOSU could be doing so much more downfield. 

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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static_chaser's picture

Look at how many true freshman Bama played in the National Championship.  We should try that and I bet we'll get some surprises.

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Buckets At Fletcher's's picture

We have become Florida State. A roster rich with NFL talent year in and year out, but they do not consistently play as a team. The talent is there but that only gets you so far. If it was 100% about better talent it would be FSU almost every year; those guys are always LOADED with NFL talent.

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okiebuck's picture

You may need a reality check there Buckets; we haven't lost 3-5 games in a season in many moons. We may have got beat in the playoff a few years ago by Clemson; but ain't no way they would walk into the Shoe and be up 45 zip in the third quarter; oops make that 45-3.
 

The only hard day was yesterday

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southbay's picture

Lots of joking and ribbing about the Buckeyes on BTN tailgate this morning. Same guys spoke highly about the talent on this team at the start of the season. But not so much lately.

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rkylet83's picture

I don’t know if we’ll turn around any of the glaring issues we have.  One thing I do know is that this media coverage is the best thing for us.  Our guys listen to this stuff intently.  Michigan guys are as well.  The more they hammer us, the more our guys feel threatened and the more Michigan gets loved the softer they get.  

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southbay's picture

Well, since coaches have been going public saying they are getting better, then what you're saying is a good thing.

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kmp10's picture

Just a quick talking point. All this week the media has taken its shots at Ohio St and basically said we’re overrated and have too many problems to fix.

Ohio State IS overrated and they DO have lots of problems to fix. Personally, I think if you're expecting the problems to disappear because the coaches have two weeks to work on them, then you're going to be disappointed. This team lacks more than a leaky defense and a soft o-line. It has systemic issues that a bye week cannot remedy. This thing requires an overhaul, and I hope Urban Meyer can admit that to himself and get it done. Those who couldn't see the Purdue loss coming weren't paying attention, and anyone who believes this thing will magically start to roll, in week nine, isn't being realistic, imo. The talent is SUPPOSEDLY such that if they can just somewhat improve and plug a few holes then they can compete with most teams, including everyone left on their schedule... but I'm skeptical that they'll change enough to even do that. I hope I'm wrong. 

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OfficerRabbit's picture

I think it's a culture issue, both coaches and players. There's little leadership, and no accountability. Meyer needed to can Bill Davis Monday morning... EVERYONE (including former players) can see he has no business being on OSU's sideline. I know Meyer has said before that he is reluctant to bench guy's for penalties.. And I agree with him for the first few games. We're in the last stretch of the regular season.. Guys like Prince need to be pulled when they start accruing penalties.. It's not like the Oline could be much worse without him. Start mixing more youth in at linebacker, Oline, and the secondary. The play may not get any better because of inexperience, but I bet those guys would play much harder.

TL/DR - Meyer needs to make a few fundamental changes to how he coaches, or this team will get walloped a couple more times this year.

 

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O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

If Bill wants to truly be his best man, he should tell Urban he is leaving after this year. It's the right thing to do and will save Urban from having to do it himself. 

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OhioStGoon's picture

It's more than scheme.. This team lacks heart and is soft, it's a few other thing's I also believe is wrong with this team but for now I digress. My point is it starts at the top and that bs with Zach Smith really did a number on Urban's psyche and it trickled down to the team especially when he came off suspension. I believe we will lose atleast one more game due to the aforementioned.

GO BUCKS

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southbay's picture

Except, coach and players alike can still choose to let go of last summer and decide that it is time to show the competition what they really can do. It's up to them.

The football world is watching.

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cmillertime247's picture

I think that technically means they lack leadership. Coaches and captains not doing their jobs to motivate and light a fire in this team. 

Go for two only because you can't go for three

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Buck61's picture

The mentality of the program has changed, at one time it was a four or five year mentality in the program, redshirt or play special teams year one. Year two move into the two deep and be ready to play in year three.

The new mentality is, three years and you are either going  start at OSU, go to the NFL or you transferring out to make way for new talent.

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dwcbuckeye's picture

Media = Fake News

Pay them no attention.  They are not worthy

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BuckminsterFullback's picture

There is a big, big difference between legitimate investigative news media, and sports media.

Sports media is just entertainment. If some former player or coach offers a bad take on a team or a game, it may be agitating, but in the big picture, it does not matter.

The real news has an obligation to get the facts right, and to issue a retraction or correction when they get it wrong. And certain news organizations do a pretty good job of that.

Don't let some knucklehead like Desmond Howard cause you to be disillusioned with real news.

Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.

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mizzer's picture

To OP:

It’s almost like they’ll say things just to get people talking about what they just said.

So, of course they have a clue.  They know exactly what they’re doing and, for your consideration, you’re the proof that it works.

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cmillertime247's picture

You lost me, so there is some type of secret media conspiracy to make people like me think they have no clue what they’re doing? Seems legit 

Go for two only because you can't go for three

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Toilrt Paper's picture

The sports media has one, The general national media  has lost theirs.

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RMLogic's picture

OSU fans need to realize because of the lousy 2015 recruiting class this roster does not have that much NFL talent right now.

Only Bosa is a sure fire NFL starter. Fuller, Jones,Haskins, Campbell, Jordan might be starters. The other WRs/ RBs are  not all that good,

Chase young is a work in progress.

This roster is not as skilled as fans think.

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Rocket Man's picture

Boy, that question can open a can of worms.

 Success - it's what you do with what you've got.  - Woody Hayes

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tomgreg's picture

I kind of think the media pumps the teams that will be the biggest draws for $$...,

Onward and upward! Go Buckeyes!

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chris's picture

sports media = reactionary, not forward looking.

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0H-10's picture

No. Never. Well, except for that whole "who killed JFK" thing. They were spot on for that one.

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aledyard's picture

You can blame the media all you want, but the fact is that given the talent on this OSU team, it is underachieving.  Through 8 games we have seen the run game and the defense regress.  That to me is a coaching/player development issue.  Expecting these same coaches to fix the problem they oversaw in the first place is just not realistic to me.  So yes, can keep bashing the media for OSU's problems, but at some point someone is going to need to hold the coaches accountable.  

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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buckeyenut74's picture

I do think there are many proven examples of the media not having a clue, however, you are spot on when you talk about the Buckeyes issues, underachieving, and having coaches held accountable. Too much talent for how they look. 

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OSU56's picture

Does the media have a clue? Hmmmmmm....NO!

Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.

 

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armyvet83's picture

Does the media have a clue? No for the most part.

The biggest issue the team has it has lost its identity. Power run game and strong defense. Can this be fixed? Yes.

O-line - Have them maul defenses. They have the size, it's a change in mindset. If they need to make changes, make them, especially on the interior.

Get the running backs running down hill. Hit the holes hard and fast.

The defense is scheme and coaching. We have the athletes. Do not bottle neck the linebackers and let them play in space. Play aggressively and change the looks.

Discipline - the stupid penalties is a combination of a poorly disciplined team and over-effort. The failed block punt effort by Hamilton is an example of that.

Most of this falls on the coaches. PERIOD. Re-establish what you do and what you do best historically. Nebraska is a game where this can be (and better be) fixed because the next three games after that will be fights including Maryland.

Losing Bosa hurt but the issues were there before he left. This team can make the changes and we have the players to do it, the coaches simply need to have the balls to make those changes.

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