I Feel We Are at a Huge Crossroads Now.. It Will Either Be a Glorious Return to Indy.. or the Sequel to the 1999 Collapse

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TigerSweat's picture

I don't know. I personally believe that they'll be playing with passion from here on out. That may not be good enough for the defense though as there are a handful of players who probably shouldn't be out there to begin with

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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GIBS_STI's picture

Never go against your gut. I don’t think we will drop 3 more games. More like 2. 

Fortune favors the bold.

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SackMan's picture

What is with you people and Matt Campbell?

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jamesrbrown322's picture

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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Bucktown 5.7x28's picture

If Adrian was in a comma, did that make her a comma chameleon?

You can judge a civilization or lack thereof, by the way mankind treats the wildlife Ghandi

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Earle's picture

No, Rocky is the one who changes (in Rocky IV).

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kmp10's picture

He's a climber, and an Ohioan to boot. He's been both MAC and BIG12 COA, and he's taken an ISU program that has little business being competitive with OU, WVU, OkSU and made them just that. He's a winner, and he 'gets it'... being a Massillon and Mount Union guy, he KNOWS what Ohio State football means and what it represents. I don't want Meyer to go anywhere... but IF he does, which I think is a possibility, then Matt Campbell deserves very serious consideration. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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Graeham's picture

Whoa guy, be careful with the "Massillon" there....he went to perry

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stxbuck's picture

You people=sky is falling fans who WANT EVERYONE FIRED NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!-and will say the same in 18 months if every newly hired staff member doesn't have their unit looking like the 02' defense or 14' B10 championship game offense.

Ramzy and Co. might not like to admit it, but this site is an outlet for fragile fan egos. Community mental health services!

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VanillaStache's picture

GOOBLE GOBBLE ONE OF US

"Let me quote the late great Cornel Sanders, I'm to drunk to taste this chicken"

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BrewstersMillions's picture

He's beaten three top 10 opponents in two years with second tier prospects from Iowa, mostly.

No guarantee that transitions when the lights are brighter and the stakes are higher, but he's the hot name in CFB right now.

Proudly dispensing unbridled arrogance since 1983.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Big difference between Cooper's last two teams and this team. Cooper's last two teams imploded completely, had players fighting in the locker room and getting injured, and couldnt even beat Minnesota or a mediocre South Carolina. Remember Tyson Walter? That team's chemistry was as toxic as they come. I dont think our chemistry is that bad. I just think we are not clicking on all cylinders this year. I dont think our players hate each other. I DO think our assistants are screwing the pooch though.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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Hovenaut's picture

Ugh, man...1999?

Here's what I hope for - get stable, healthy. Wear the blacks for the Nebraska nooner and play hard, smart, and beat the Huskers.

Continue to build on some positivity as November carries on, one game at a time, and see where things stand come that third Saturday.

The program in '99 was flawed to the core, and (even worse) they didn't give a shit about it. The difference now is that I believe there's still a bond among these guys (players) - they'll pull it together and find their way.

I'll worry about the offseason when it's time to worry about the offseason.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Yeah, I don't have another Outback Bowl loss to South Carolina in me... 

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Hovenaut's picture

I'm afraid to even visit SC for fear that someone there will remind me (I don't need reminded) that Ryan Brewer is from Ohio.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Troy, Ohio.

Dude was a one-man wrecking crew

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stxbuck's picture

Tell them Derek Ross was from South Carolina-maybe the biggest talent/brain disconnect in tOSU history-dude was a straight baller for the Cowboys!

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Bucktown 5.7x28's picture

You want to know a real pathetic belief from the delusionals in South Carolina? Those two Outback Bowls against OSU and two against Missagain are their Super Bowl victories. LMAO. Don’t get me wrong. I love the college Bowl season but let’s be honest. A lot of these kids on the teams aren’t going to treat Rose Bowl, Sugar, Cotton or Orange or Fiesta bowl like a measly Outback bowl or Weedeater or Egg White Bowl. Huge differences. It’s embarrassing that Suck Carolina folks view OSU and TTUN as inferior football products compared to their sorry ass teams. 

You can judge a civilization or lack thereof, by the way mankind treats the wildlife Ghandi

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RCRoy45's picture

I'm not seeing the leadership... not from Urban.. and not from any players.. I think Bosa was that guy.. and he left (I don't blame him)...  just a series of unfortunate events I think zapped the soul from the team...  and when asked about Urban's coaching future and he says "I don't even want to talk about it.  We will sit down at the end of the season and discuss it"... to me that is a huge red flag... we will see I suppose... I'm a huge UM3 supporter.. just not sure he wants it anymore... 

“And in the night of death, hope sees a star and listening love hears the rustle of a wing.”

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Hovenaut's picture

You might be right regarding leadership, but I hope not (at least in the locker room anyway).

The '99 team faded going away, Urban (post-Smith saga) just looks burnt out...and it has cascaded towards disastrous results (as seen last Saturday).

I hope that was the wake-up call the team needed, but this is two years in a row we've seen these colossal implosions against seemingly middling competition.

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WestDesMoinesBuckeye's picture

I was sitting in the front row behind the bench this past Saturday and the one thing that I noticed, and even commented on to my wife and daughter, is that there did not seem to be any fire on the sideline.  There was no emotion with the players and seemed as if they felt they could just show up and win.  This team seems to lack a true vocal leader right now.  I hope this loss fuels the fire and we start to see some emotion from this team or it could be a long end to the season.  Nebraska now thinks that they have a chance to beat us, michigan and michigan state will be very tough games, and I’m not sure we can go to Maryland and win if we show up like we did against Purdue.   Hoping for the best, but hearing Schiano yesterday, I have little confidence that they are willing to adapt to the players in the system instead of forcing the players to adapt to the scheme.

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Hovenaut's picture

Man, that's sad to read...but telling for sure.

I'm going to the Maryland game, with seats close to Ohio State's bench (it'll be my son's first OSU game), and what you've described is exactly what I'm concerned about.

Just feels like some of the staff have been getting by with smoke and mirrors, and the ugly truths can no longer be ignored.

Hoping for big changes on-field to finish the season, looking for big changes off it thereafter.

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CauseICouldntGoFor3's picture

Would you say there is a Kerry Coombs level of energy lacking from the sidelines?

I do concur there does seem to be a llack of passion or fire from both the coaches and players.  Its more of a question of, "how bad does this team want to win?"

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WestDesMoinesBuckeye's picture

Yes, it seems to be to business like in my opinion, almost an NFL like feeling on the sidelines.  These are college kids and need pumped up and have some energy.  I watch a lot of college football and see other teams jumping on the sidelines.  As much as I hate the turnover props, something is needed to generate energy.

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ponder10's picture

I'm with RC. The coaches press conference yesterday was pathetic. Urban and Day have been saying for over a month they're "looking at" Tate in short yardage and they're "evaluating" the play of the offensive line and TE's but basically said all their problems are minor errors.

Same thing with Schiano. He said the LB's were consistent and didnt mean consistently bad. He said that with a straight face! He said they were "close"! How embarrassing!

I made the below comment a couple of days ago in another thread:

I really think this team and this coaching staff need to be guarded against thinking too highly of themselves.

We need to understand that we are no above going the way of TTUN under Rodriguez, Texas after Brown, Bama before Saban, USC before Carrol or now, etc. 

Just because a team has talented players doesn't mean they automatically when. I think this team is starting to believe that just by walking into a stadium they'll win the game and their opponents will lay down because Ohio State is full of 4-5 star recruits that will be in the NFL.

They cannot get complacent. They cannot lose the hunger/drive/passion to dominate their opponents. I have seen that hunger against Indiana, Minnesota, or Purdue.

“In the end we will conserve only what we love. We will love only what we understand. We will understand only what we are taught.” ~ Baba Dioum

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buckeye81's picture

Wow. Did he say that? When? If he said that I agree. Huge red flag. From his posture and general demeanor on the sideline he seems tortured. Like he really doesn't want to be there. He has to  know that a huge staff shake up is almost mandatory. He may be so beaten down by the nightmare in August and the crushing losses to Clemson, Iowa and Purdue that he is ready to hang it up. 55 is old for this business. The constant travel. The pressure. All amplified at OSU. I think he will fold it up, especially if we douche the last games of this season. And you're right, as others have posted. I don't care what anybody says on twitter or to the press; when the leader of your team, a co-captain, quits the school and the team to rehab for the draft that sends a message. Other teams, you see the co-captain go down with an injury, he walks out to the coin toss. He's in the defense's ear when the chips are down. Nick Bosa is going to be in southern California rehabbing. Makes it hard to buy all that 'the Brotherhood" stuff in the hype-videos.

JTatumCCS

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

I have a hard time believing that he will want to leave with a loss to UM for tons of reasons. He is big on leaving a legacy for one, and Earle went out a winner against UM so he will want to mirror that out of loyalty to his mentor at the very least.

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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Texbuckbear's picture

I'm starting to wonder if UFM, Schiano, et al have "already left the building."

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

I believe that Bosa wanted away from the team..just seems like he could have been a uniting force for the team if he stayed...but leaving tells me there are some deeper problems with this team.

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RK84's picture

Biggest reach yet.

Quite possibly it was to actually rehab on a timetable and get ready for his multi million dollar contract and career.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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scooby22's picture

i can't say that didn't cross my mind too ... and i don't think its a reach either.  i don't know what it is (i.e.may not be more to the bosa saga), but something is not right with this program.  it's palpable ...

" ... poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king, and a king ain't satisfied 'til he rules everything ..." - The Boss

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Urban Meyer has never won a National Championship without first losing a regular season game. 

Other than the 2014 Orange Bowl, Ohio State has responded to losses well under Meyer. 

In 2015 and 2017, the Bucks responded strong from losses. 

Maybe this wakes them up, maybe it doesn't. But, the players aren't the ones sleepwalking. So, using your analogy, Adrian needs to wake up and tell Mick to win. 

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ApollosGYRO's picture

Agreed! So many fans have given up and its sad. We have work to do but it doesn't mean we fold up the season after a loss (yes I know its bad)

I remember after we lost to vetch in 2014 I kept saying "wait till Braxton is back next year" and "we are only a year away!" That season turned out ok.

This loss will wake us up. I firmly believe it!

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buckeye81's picture

You're probably a nice guy but you are setting yourself up for crushing disappointment.

JTatumCCS

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Mpk07's picture

People on here overreact way too much anymore. The expectations that we should go undefeated every year are just unrealistic. I’m tired of reading about Matt Campbell and Ryan day being the head coach here next year. Stop all the speculation and enjoy football while we have it. Why is it that this team is always expected to win a national title? Losing the talent that we do every year was going to come back to bite us in the ass at some point. And we as fans need to stop putting all this unneeded pressure on urban Meyer we are becoming the fan base that we have all talked shit on for so many years and it’s getting old logging in here and reading all the negativity and terrible takes that a lot of ppl post on here. Does it suck that we lost a game and lost one the way we did yea.. but god damn people we still have one of the best coaches in America and I see ppl on here calling for his job. Probably the same ppl that hated Fickell and now wish that we still had him . Sorry end of rant....

"We've always had the best damn band in the land, now we've got the best damn team in the land" Jim Tressel

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Jumar's picture

100% agree

This is real life, and not a NCAA 2014. The chances of going undefeated and scoring 70+ per game is slim to none.

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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Jumar's picture

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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Jumar's picture

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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Jumar's picture

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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stxbuck's picture

Weak minds don't respond well to harshly spoken common sense.

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scooby22's picture

yep... most people would rather ...

" ... poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king, and a king ain't satisfied 'til he rules everything ..." - The Boss

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CincyBuck's picture

This is real life, and not a NCAA 2014.

Excellent quote.  And I think it can be used to address other annoying parts of our fan base, too.  It annoys the hell out of me when fans, without any actual playing experience, get pissed off when we get "only" 4-5 yards on a play. 

Dude, this isn't a video game.  We're not going to average 9-10 yards/play.

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ponder10's picture

Yeah, but in real life elite teams don't lost 5 games of 3 seasons by an average of 21.8 points per game and still consider themselves an ELITE program.

“In the end we will conserve only what we love. We will love only what we understand. We will understand only what we are taught.” ~ Baba Dioum

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EasyEMoney5's picture

You do not consider Ohio State an elite program?

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ponder10's picture

I think we get put into the elite program category but based on our performances over the past three years we haven't met that qualification. 

Going into the game against Clemson the team just didnt feel like it was up to the same level. Then last years loss to Iowa. Now this year the way we played against PSU, Indiana, and Minnesota I think has taken us out of the elite category. 

Again, the last 5 losses have occured by an average 21.8 points. Is that elite?

“In the end we will conserve only what we love. We will love only what we understand. We will understand only what we are taught.” ~ Baba Dioum

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BeatMeechigun's picture

The game has changed grandpa.  That thing people used to call a Fullback basically doesn't exist.  The days of 17-7 football games are long gone and have been replaced with a combination of spread offense, two-hand touch/wrestling move tackling if you don't want to get tossed from a game, and a ton of pass attempts.  Football has become a game of 1-on-1 and the scoring reflects that.

A 73-8 record since Urbs arrived and 4 straight top 6 finishes is pretty damn elite. (Bama is 77-8 over the same time)

The worst we've done since 2012 is a 12-2, 12th place finish.  When 90% of the D1 schools would sell their souls to have that kind of season that is a sign you are elite.  Every Big Ten program would gladly trade places with us to have our last 3 or 4 seasons. 

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Hovenaut's picture

There's overreacting (I'm in the live threads near every fall Saturday), and then there's venting justified frustrations.

I'd like Ohio State to win every game, but I've been a fan of college football to know that ain't going to happen.

Losses are part of the game...but the way the Buckeyes under Meyer have been inexplicable at times. And again, sometimes that's just the way it goes.

What's getting me is hearing staff come back out and reaffirm sunshine and rainbows...extra effort, and progress is there, and we believe in what we've seen...

Just flat out call me a dumbass to my face, I can take that, but don't fucking bore me with this benign coach-speak. We need, deserve, more than that.

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Jumar's picture

Losses are part of the game...but the way the Buckeyes under Meyer have been inexplicable at times. And again, sometimes that's just the way it goes.

Agreed. These are college kids and there are times professionals don't show up for games for whatever reason.

Just flat out call me a dumbass to my face, I can take that, but don't fucking bore me with this benign coach-speak. We need, deserve, more than that.

Why are fans owed anything? What effort do most fans put into the football team besides turning on a TV? Coach speak can be infuriating, but it would have been good to have coach speak during B1G media days.

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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Hovenaut's picture

Owed - shades of gray...figurative, not literative.

I'm not storming the doors of the WHAC and demanding answers, but I don't expect to be at a loss after such a loss, y'know?

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Jumar's picture

I'm not storming the doors of the WHAC and demanding answers,

Is seemed that some around these parts were preparing for a siege of the WHAC after the game. You are more level headed than they.

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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steve-OH's picture

With ya Hove.

The coach speak gets old. The fact that they won't even admit there's a problem with certain things is old. Schiano getting up and saying he sees good things and doesn't think you can change scheme 8 games in is a joke. 

Look, I know I sit on my couch and he's coached football at its highest levels for years, but don't piss on my back and tell me its raining.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

What effort do most fans put into the football team besides turning on a TV?

I can't even begin to count how many of hours of lost productivity I have invested into these forums (and thus by extension, the team) while at work.

Shandy is not beer

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Jumar's picture

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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RK84's picture

Wait we're not just here to give each other shit and make fun of other schools?

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Nutinpa's picture

Completely agree with you, hove.  No offense meant, but the posts in these forums about "expecting a NC title is unrealistic; expecting an undefeated season is unrealistic;  too much pressure".   What a load of crap.  I am a Bowling Green grad of many years ago.  I have realistic expectations for them, although I'd like to beat Toledo before I die, LOL.  

Urban Meyer was brought to Ohio State to take this program to the proverbial "next level" to coin a cliche.  That was code for beating Alabama, which he did....once.  Since then, he fielded a supremely talented and bored 2015 team and since then, 3 extremely over-rated teams.  His teams have been humiliated on the national scale 3 times....by Clemson and two middle of the road Big Ten teams.  Meyer has ripped down the fence that Jim Tressel built in OH...while recuiting on a national basis for kids and their parents who look at OSU as merely a stepping stone to the NFL, nothing more, nothing less.

Of course going undefeated and making the cf playoff is an immense challenge, but can you imagine an Alabama or Clemson fanbase saying...."we shouldn't put pressure on our coaches or players to have an undefeated season.?"   I couldn't even keep a straight face typing that.  

To be clear, Meyer is a HOF coach and the man I want for this team.  He deserves to right the ship and has earned that right and then some.  With that said, he is in unfamiliar territory staying at a program for this long.   But he is a turnaround artist -- the best there has been.   Nevertheless, at $ 6M per year, the expectations are and should be high....damn high.  And I don't apologize for having those expectations of him and his staff.  

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villain612's picture

Nick Saban and Alabama's current dynasty have really ruined everyone's concept of realistic expectations. Their dynasty is a once-in-a-generation thing, if that. See the recent Miami and USC dynasties that had 3-4 great years and then the programs fell off a cliff. For Alabama to be doing what they're doing for almost a decade now may end up being the greatest run in history. 

Am I pissed about the kinds of losses we've had the last few years? Sure. But there are only two programs who rival or beat our success over the last 6 years. We have a great coach for our team and he's only 54 - I'd like to keep him for a long time. He's been a winner at every school he's been to.

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aj99's picture

They lost one game this season.  They lost one game last season. Calm down with your- they get paid lots so lets put pressure on the coaches.  I'm pretty sure they don't need anymore pressure than they put on themselves.  

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PsyBuck's picture

I don't think it's that we simply lost a game. It's the fact that we have seen issues with this team since week one become worse and worse and then we got absolutely destroyed by a team we had no business even being in a close game against, let alone losing by 29.

And this is the second year in a row this has happened. I do think the reasonable expectation for Ohio State is to be in contention and solidly inside the top 10 every year with maybe the occasional year just outside the top 10. And had we lost to a good team, no one would be crying about the sky falling. But we lost to Purdue, by 29, and were absolutely throttled in nearly all facets of the game and THAT is why people are so upset.

"No we don't give a da*n 'Bout the whole state of *ichigan"

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kmp10's picture

 Why is it that this team is always expected to win a national title?

You should read, "A Shot at a Rose, to the Bite of a Gator." It's the best Ohio State football book ever written, imo, and in it Fred Pagac talks about being a player and a coach at Ohio State, both of which he was, and the insane pressure that goes along with it. Pagac said he loves the pressure... he welcomes it... and says if you're someone who doesn't do well under the constant strain of unusually high expectations then you should go to Indiana or any one of a hundred other schools where they don't really give a rip. We should all LOVE the fact that the expectation at Ohio State is to in a title very year, and then get on bended knee and thank Francis Schmidt, Paul Brown, Woody Hayes, Jim Tressel, and Urban Meyer for making it that way. Even in the 'down tenures' of Bruce and Cooper, OSU was still a national player and a B1G bully. Absurd levels of success begets absurd expectations... and when you're making almost 8 million a year, you can bet your ass that unrealistic expectations are a part of deal. And for anyone who doesn't like it, Fred Pagac has some advice for you.

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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PhillyNut's picture

Fair statements except that CFP level teams do not lose to Iowa by 33 and Purdue by 29.  They lose a heartbreaker on a last minute TD or FG or commit a costly turnover as they drive to what should have been the winning score (think of what the Buckeyes did in 2003 in that Purdue game successfully to win).  Even the loss to VT was not viewed as a complete collapse like these two games in consecutive years.

There are fundamental issues with this team and it has been going on for a few years.  I don't think it is just one thing but the compounding effect has been significant whether it be schemes, loss of critical coaches, trying to make players fit a system that they are not well suited to fit, etc.  Yes, the expectation is high.  That is what happens when a program wins a championship and their recruiting is top 5 every year with a head coach that has 3 national titles. Nobody expects Amazon or Apple or Google to suddenly drop the ball big time either. If they do the scrutiny is going to be huge as it should be.  If it happens to Joe's Garage nobody cares.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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LawClub's picture

Right on. And you have nothing to be sorry for.

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

Ohio State was 5-3 after 8 games in 1999... that team had a lot more reason to quit than this one does. This team can still win a B1G Championship, make the playoff, and be a National Champion.

* I was at the Wisconsin game in '99 when Ron Dayne ran for about 3,500 yards against us in The Shoe... almost all in the second half. That was a stupid day.

** I was also at the Purdue game the following week when the Buckeyes beat Drew Brees 25-22 in the pouring rain.. blocking a tying field goal attempt by Purdue at the end of the game. That was an AWESOME day!

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Johnny Amerikos's picture

I like to make sarcastic jokes because that's my nature and quite honestly I see no value in life without humor. And it was easy this week after that embarrassing performance, and yes it was shit and I'll call it shit rather than excuse it away. I'm still going to try to relax and focus on the positive in the long run.

With that said, after reading the coaches quotes and comments at the press conference... I was [bitterly disappointed] because maybe I missed context, but I just didn't pick up any sense of urgency, any fire, and really no reason to think anything will be fixed or get better. To me, this is not a "But, we're getting better and we're close" sort of moment. I hope internally there's been a "Come to Jesus" meeting. It's been getting worse every week and I feel the biggest problem appears to be attitude and complacency. No scheme or great athlete can fix that.

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Wargor's picture

Perhaps (and I know I'm being wishful in my thinking) they are putting the urgency into the team with a final note of:  "All right, now you sonsabitches know what I think.  I'm now going to go out there and coachspeak my ass off because it is 2018 at OSU and everyone from the Regents on down will pop a gasket if I don't coachspeak."

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Johnny Amerikos's picture

I'd be just fine with that, my dude. In fact, as much as I absolutely hate coachspeak, I also wouldn't fault them for it based on what a couple comments at the B1G conference lead to this year. I hope you're right. Hell, even as a player (many years ago, and not in college), man we used to play for each other, we used to play for our coaches... Find whatever it takes.

But, my problem is that what I see and hear and read from press conferences doesn't look any different than the body language I see on the sideline, and maybe I'm being unreasonable, but I don't believe a week before November is a time when you're "evaluating" or whatever the words were that Day used. At this point in the season, nearly the 11th month of the year, after camps and spring games and practices and 8 opponents... I don't know. I just didn't get much confidence from it. That's just my takeaway. There's a lot of football to be played though. All of the original goals are still in front of the team, on the table. So, here's hoping..

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neo's picture

Urban Meyer has 6 regular season losses in 7 years at Ohio State.

Let's bring in a coach from Iowa State who goes 6-6 every year.

"Let's beat the shit out of Michigan. Have a good night." - UFM

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jamesrbrown322's picture

I don’t get the Matt Campbell infatuation. I really don’t. IMHO, he’s Pat Fitzgerald 2.0. A guy who can occasionally rise up and win 9, maybe 10 games and surprise you, but that’s it.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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stxbuck's picture

He's this year's shiny head coaching object-like Scott Frost last year, or Tom Herman the year before that or Justin Fuente the year before that(I think, maybe last year was his first at V-Tech) or Chris Peterson every year until he went to UW . Nothing wrong with this, he will continue to get interest from bigger fish if the Cyclones continue to play well.

Here is a dirty little secret for all the coach worshippers out there-a coach needs to go to a program w/ the resources and institutional history/recruiting clout to truly build a consistent playoff contender. Mike Leach and Glen Snyder are two of the best in the biz, but they coach at Wazzu and K-State. On the other side of the coin, ANY new hire at tOSU or Georgia or Clemson or USC or Auburn or FSU will stand a puncher's chance of quick success/building a consistent playoff contender-the groundwork is entrenched-and things can fall apart (and be rebuilt again) just as quickly.

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allinosu's picture

We will know as soon as the first quarter ends against Nebraska whether the things coaches are saying are empty promises again. If they continue doing the same thing hoping for a different outcome then there will be more disappointment coming. Sometimes one needs to change things up to get the ball rolling but that doesn't come easy in the Urban era when things are going the wrong direction. If they don't have the defensive strategy down at this point in the season then it probably won't happen. I can't help thinking they are going to waste this two week opportunity going down the same dead end road. UM will eat up our RT who looked the same as he did two years ago. I'm not optimistic that they recognize that the water level is rising in the boat. 

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Cincybuckeye's picture

I highly doubt Urban and crew don't recognize that things aren't great right now. When Urban is saying that we have three glaring issues and has kept the staff in from recruiting to work on it, that seems to me that they understand that there are definitely some major issues and that the "water level is rising".

People are complaining about what Schiano said and what Day didn't say during their interviews. I don't think we'd see them come to the mic and start discussing with the media what exactly they're changing. If they have changed anything, it would make sense not to openly share that to the public. Keep things in house and let the play on the field demonstrate change and adjustments.
 

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allinosu's picture

The problem is that they talk a good game but not much is done to improve it other than keep on doing the same thing. How many times have we heard that 'we need to run the ball better', 'we need to utilize our TEs', 'we need to open things up just' to see the same thing over and over. 

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tampatom's picture

To me it's not just reloading talent, but leadership. When you name nine captains, who is the captain. Since we have gone this route it has impacted chemistry. Being a captain should be earned in off season by working hard and Marotti should name the captains based on work ethic and who the team looks up to, not who is popular. Borland being a captain as a sophomore made no sense and he obviously isn't doing anything to motivate the LB's but I feel that is why he continues to play because we can't bench a captain

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RK84's picture

Has anyone contacted Bone Thugs about this?

Damn man I miss my Uncle Charles y'all

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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stxbuck's picture

Noah Spence rolled w/ the Bone Thugz vibe too  much at tOSU.......................

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Miss Walker's picture

What if it's just a boring ole 3-1 finish, no trip to Indy, but still go win the Rose Bowl?  

At least that keeps Urban around.  Whoever comes in here next won't be as good.  The next Earle Bruce.  

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RK84's picture

Could have said the same about Tress, but Urban happened.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Miss Walker's picture

Well, Saban's not coming so this time there is no Urban.  

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RK84's picture

Guess we wont know til it happens. I'm not completely sold on the only coach out there better than Urban is Saban.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Cincybuckeye's picture

Why is it that the narrative is suddenly turning to possibly replacing Urban? The man has lost SIX regular season games in SEVEN seasons at OSU. Does he look tired? Sure. Does he have flaws? Yes. But, people can go through issues and come out the other side better and stronger. And people can definitely overcome their flaws. This man has given us a national championship and continues to win at a level that is only rivaled by Dabo and Saban. Step away from the ledge, please.

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RK84's picture

I wasn't saying Urban should go, I was just saying, I don't think its Saban or no one that could inherit OSU and be successful.

I do think he's stubborn and prideful to a fault, but hey maybe he just needs a nap and hug. Not one of the people that think the season is over and he's on his way out.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Cincybuckeye's picture

I think just about every head coach is stubborn and prideful. We always hype up Saban as a guy that will make the necessary changes in a timely manner to win it all. Yet, we forget that he was recruiting for and running a defense that was horrible against spread teams for a number of years. It honestly took us beating him in the Sugar Bowl to make that switch to a more athletic defense; especially more athletic linebackers (no offense, chunky Trey Depriest). Likewise, he was running the power-I for the better part of his tenure there and brought on Lane Kiffin after getting run out of the stadium by Oklahoma in the 2014 Sugar Bowl. Most coaches don't make changes until they absolutely need to. And even though it's frustrating to see, Urban's no exception.

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stxbuck's picture

Good point about HC psychology-it is especially prevalent in HS and college coaches w/ long term success. Truly great exceptions to this psychology-Jim Tressel, Pete Carroll, Dick Vermeil-are fairly rare.

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deflection's picture

How is Tress an exception? He kept Bollman around for his entire tenure.

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stxbuck's picture

Look-keeping Bollman made you butt hurt-I get that. That said, Tressel showed a consistent willingness to evolve his offense according to both trends and available talent. Anyone who can't see that Tressel had an adaptable attitude towards offense,anda non-petulant attitude towards change is just being silly. I imagine you were one those fans who was screaming for Tressel's head in 09' non-stop-b/c hewasn't just like usc back then.

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RK84's picture

That's a solid point. +1 to you.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Nutinpa's picture

continues to win at a level that is only rivaled by Dabo and Saban. Step away from the ledge, 

The issue and source of people's angst, cincy......is what is perceived, perhaps rightfully so, as the growing separation between Meyer and his program, from that of Saban and Swinney that you mention. In other words, without kidding ourselves.....how close are these 3 programs?  In the minds of many people, there's your answer.   After last year's Cotton Bowl victory over USC, many people thought there was very little separating the 3.  Now?  Unless things get turned around in a hurry, the answer and comparisons will be clear and really, really sobering.

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Cincybuckeye's picture

Those are good points, Nut. I would say though that I don't think any reasonable and objective college football fan can look at Bama and OSU and say, "Yeah, they're equal." Bama is on a tier of their own. You win 5 out of the last 9 championships, you've earned that right. But, looking at Clemson, it's not like they're just rolling everyone. They've looked very vulnerable and beatable for large chunks of this season. They just blew out a ranked NC State team (that has beaten no one). But, they looked bad against Syracuse and honestly lucked out against Texas A&M. I think the recency of losing to Purdue can make us feel worse than it actually is. Don't get me wrong, we're not playing great right now. But, I wouldn't say we're falling into mediocrity.

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Nutinpa's picture

Fair points, back atcha, Cincy.  Agreed.   The only thing is....as poor or dare I say, uninspiring as Clemson has looked at times in the past 2 seasons, they have never fallen into the abyss that OSU has in a single game.  Even their stunning loss to Syracuse last year and near miss this year....they were in until the end.  And as for Texas A & M, I would contend they are better as of now, than any team the Buckeyes have faced this year.   

No doubt, we are all salty from the Purdue loss.  Had it not come on the heels of last year's Iowa debacle, the falling sky syndrome would not be so pronounced.  But.......it did.

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Earle's picture

I'm sure there are some better ones out there.  Saban is just the only one we can say is objectively better at this point.

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Nutinpa's picture

When considering the "entire body of work", I'd agree, Earle.   But as we sit here today....and unless I have misconstrued your point, I remain amazed as to how quickly we dismiss Dabo Swinney -- he of the 2 wins vs. Meyer in the past 5 years, including 1 woodshed flogging.  Just because he sounds like Andy Griffith doesnt mean he hasn't built the 2nd strongest program in all of college football in the past 4+ years.  I may be guilt of recency bias, but it's a recency world we live in.

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Earle's picture

Oh, I'm not discounting Dabo.  He may well be numbered in those who are better than Urban (he certainly has the edge head-to-head).  I just think it's hard to say (unlike Saban) that he's objectively better, but its definitely up for debate.

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Keze's picture

If we can get the ME mentality out of most  the players' mind then we can win out .... if not at least 2 loses and a shitbowl game.

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Jnut's picture

Yes this season might finish strong, but I think most people see the same thing. This team just doesn’t pass the “eye” test... I think I am starting to realize that of Urban’s many strengths, game planning a scheme is not one of them. He relys heavily on his assistants to set up the scheme and game plan. I think as Urban’s staff has watered down from attrition and so has his teams production on the field. Happened at Florida and is happening here!

JNUT

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TeddyKGB's picture

Yes, we should get rid of one of the most successful coaches in history over the "eye" test.  EyeRoll.gif

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aledyard's picture

I don't see this team losing 3 games the rest of the way, but I don't think 2 loses is out of the question (Michigan and Michigan State).  I do expect the team to rebound against Nebraska, but that doesn't say much against a struggling 1-6 team.  I honestly think this is Urban's last year coaching in Columbus.  Considering Urban's mysterious health problems and how his coaching career unraveled in his last years at Florida, it just kind of seems like the same thing is happening right now with Ohio State.  He just doesn't seem to be all there.  I'm grateful for what he has done for Ohio State, but I think the end is near for Urban and the Buckeyes.  

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

A 10-1 favored Michigan team coming to Columbus would be just what Ohio State needs. A home dog to a team they have owned would be something this team could use a motivation. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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fenger's picture

and now, there is this, it's not just us 11w crazies thinking out loud...

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

It seems like shit on Ohio State and Urban Meyer is a real thing this year. A lot of Big Ten coaches chirping because the sense OSU is weak. A lot of small yapping dogs puffing their chests out. I sure hope someone inside the Woody is keeping track of all of this. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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TeddyKGB's picture

Hey coaches - Put your fucking name on it or STFU.

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Nutinpa's picture

LOL.   Why?   They're saying the same shit we are.....and even being more diplomatic in many cases.  The only difference is....even if you apply a filter which admits a certain amount "Meyer hate and jealousy bias"......tell me what they are saying that seems so far off? And frankly, I like it better that it's anonymous.....more truth serum that way.  

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stxbuck's picture

They are right about the DBs-then again, in the 16' and 17' seasons we have had arguably 3 of the all time best DBs-1st team All Buckeye Forever at tOSU-Ward,Hooker, Lattimore, plus another no brain 1st rounder-Conley.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

So are we worse with Urban? If so I think he needs to either retire or check his ego. It's clear that Urban is unhappy Ryan Day built his team into a better version of itself than he could. THAT is why there is friction. Urban has to put his hands on everything in order to feel like he's still in charge. I'd bet money on it.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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MongosMagic's picture

Maybe it will be good bulletin board material?  Hopefully none of that is true

"Mongo only sausage in bowl of soup"

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BUCKfutter's picture

there hasn't been a season yet where a meyer-coached OSU team hasn't had huge issues through a large part of the season (2014 included - everyone remembers VT but we were behind indiana in the 2nd half the week before the michigan game, unable to move the ball most of that game, and gave up 27 points to them, 24 to minnesota, 28 to cincinnati, 24 to maryland). i agree this season could go two very different directions, but we tend to look at the past with rose-colored glasses. hopefully this will shake the entitlement and stubbornness out of everyone.

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I still believe OSU beats Michigan. I am not buying the Ann Arbor hype. their offense is not very good....esp on the road. Defense can be beaten deep and over the middle 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Kentuckeye's picture

It does feel like this is going to go all one way or all the other.  I also noticed the seeming lack of effort, especially as the game went on.  There seemed to be a resignation that all the problems were finally going to catch up to them.  I do not think the players lack heart as much as they lacking direction at this point.  If they didn't have heart, they would have folded at TCU or Penn St or both.  As much as anything, they need a leader to take command and give them a plan.  I'm confident they will work hard at it and respond in a way that will reflect well on them if given the chance.  I just hope the coaches are able to give them that chance.  E+R=O right?  Well, E just kicked us in the nuts.  Let's hope we get the R required to get things back on track.

How firm thy friendship

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OSU_JD's picture

It's not the "E" that is the problem.  It's the "Rs". 

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RBuck's picture

This team can still reach its' goals and it be hard to see them giving up.

Urban need to get out of his funk, though.

Sooner or later it all gets real.

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Sanantonefan's picture

Prob'ly rain...

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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Buckeyes17's picture

Everyone gets knocked down.

How quick are you gonna get up?

"Khajiit has wares if you have the coin."

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earthpig's picture

Get a grip..  That would be the Matt Campbell error, not era..   Yep the boys got it handed to them by Purdont..  That isn't too rare.  The bottom line is lets see how these next 4 games go.  To be honest I think Nebraska may be in for an epic ass whoopin.  They tighten up the ship, and a one loss, B1G Champion Buckeye team is in the playoffs.. 

Pigskins & Porkrinds

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aj99's picture

Seriously.  I'm starting to think I'm surrounded by mental midgets.  We lose one game and everyone starts crying that the season is over and we need to nuke the coaching staff.  The team lost.  They'll pull it together.  All of this negativity is going to suck the joy out of some amazing football coming up.

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aabucks1996's picture

Regular season finish:

4-0, probably not likely given real gaps in talent we have at LB

3-1, optimistic realism

2-2, would not surprise me, what probably should be expected

1-3, very disappointing, but write if off to bad offseason and Bosa effect

0-4, not very probable, but dumpster fire mode, new HC in 2019, is this a birth in Jacksonville bowl again? -Woody, Fickell, Urban last games as HC for OSU....

You win with people

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

They should finish 4-0. Nebraska, Maryland should be gimmies...Sparty is so beat up on offense and really is painful to watch. Michigan at home and that is a one game season

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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RCRoy45's picture

Yes.. of course.. if UM becomes UFM... then we will win out... my fear is that he will not

“And in the night of death, hope sees a star and listening love hears the rustle of a wing.”

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Nutinpa's picture

Sure hope you are right, stanley.  I am surprised, though.  You are one of the realists on this Forum.  Like I said, I hope you are right, but those S&G glasses might need some serious Windex.

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osu992's picture

If our bounce-backs are give-a-damn (and not scheme) driven, and UFM is our give-a-damn driver, then it depends just how out of it UFM is.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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sstein55's picture

Hope I am wrong, but I think we are going to lose to Mich. St and Michigan. This coaching staff, doesn't seem to get it, and is unable to motivate this team. They seem to think we are getting close, huh? Some of these offensive linemen need to spend some time on the bench, and give some of these younger guys a shot. Can't be any worse than we are getting. This is the worse offensive line I have ever seen at OSU. There is never any push or holes for the running backs. This is the first time I have ever left a game so early, but I saw no hope last Saturday. We left a few minutes into the 4rth quarter.

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TkeBuck's picture

i believe the first quarter against nebraska will paint the canvas on how the rest of the season plays out. redemptive or repulsive. come on coach...ALL of us want to believe this team will play out of their minds next saturday.

klusewski

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

I have no doubt that this team will come out angry against Nebraska and hang maybe as much as 70 on them. 

Where I'm less certain is if this team can maintain that intensity the next week against MSU, avoid getting caught looking ahead to Michigan against Maryland, and can seal the deal against Michigan at home. 

I'm also less certain that the coaching staff will implement the necessary changes to make this team competitive and not predictable. Passion, anger, and a huge talent edge will be enough against Nebraska and Maryland and probably MSU too, but against Michigan we'll need competence, discipline, grit, and smart play-calling, and so far three of those four things have been nowhere in sight this season. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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Boiler Mark's picture

Boiler here - was at game - first one in several decades - it was incredible - but I think it's a huge over reaction that somehow this is turning point for OSU

OSU outgained Purdue and led in time of possession

Purdue had negative yards rushing well into 2nd quarter -  maybe at halftime

It was somewhat of a perfect storm - the plays all went Purdue's way - night game - a program that has not had a big win in several years and has good coach in Brohm and more talented team than recent Purdue squads - Tyler Trent

Every Purdue fan was waiting for the OSU comeback well into the 4th quarter (I saw the 4th quarter of Penn State Game) - Purdue just broke some plays against a tired defense at the end - the game never felt safe until a few minutes left - score shows a rout that wasn't

I'm not an OSU or Urban Meyer fan - but I would say he just needs to steady the ship - OSU owns it's own destiny - and has owned Michigan for awhile - if they win that one all is forgiven (most anyway)

Ohio State fans showed very well at the game - they were loud - not a lot of reasons to cheer though :)

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Earle's picture

Appreciate the perspective, Boiler.  I agree that the game was not as lopsided as the score indicated, but the issues that plagued Ohio State are the same ones that gave a lot of fans heartburn in the weeks leading up to Purdue.  I don't think a lot of fans were shocked that the Buckeyes lost.  The way they lost was pretty jarring, though.

I hope this game ends up being a turning point, because the Buckeyes were trending toward a loss.  Maybe a blowout loss will help reverse that trend, but listening to the coaching staff this week doesn't give me a ton of confidence in that happening.

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SwingGuru's picture

When was the last game that we looked good?  Tulane?  Not too long ago going over the middle of the field to catch a short pass meant you were gonna be laid out by a LB.  Now there isn't anyone around, the middle of the field is wide open.  This entire season hasn't felt right.  Meyer appears to have checked out, the passion is completely gone. There are too many problems to fix here and I'm not talking about the guys on the field. 

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RMLogic's picture

More like USC last year. Defense was solid. If Haskins started that game they would have won 45-7.

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Dan56's picture

Ohio State does the least with the most.  Top  5 recruiting classes every year, these are 4 and 5 start recruits and we lose a game to Purdue by 29.  Talking about a National championship is foolish.  Not going to happen.  It is quite possible that this team will lose 2 more games, let's quit being homers and make a judgement on what you see with your eyes.  The defense is awful, the scheme does not work.   Look when they have everyone including linebackers on the line of scrimmage.   The whole middle of the field is open, a slant or someone crossing the middle works every time.  Any why is Ohio State never prepared for anything the opposing offense does.  How many games this year have started out with the opponent driving right down the field.   I just don't think we can turn this around in 2 weeks.  I hope I am wrong and they win out, but I don't see it.  Hopefully they will be ready for Michigan and we can spoil their season, but I am skeptical about that game, right now Michigan looks like the better team.

Buck Fan

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neo's picture

Ohio State does the least with the most.

I stopped reading after your first sentence. You're talking about a team that - just last year - beat Michigan, won the Big Ten, and beat the Pac-12 Champion (USC) by 3 scores in the Cotton Bowl.

The reactions to this loss at Purdue are extreme.

Urban has lost 6 regular season games in 7 years. On a related note, it's not only possible - but likely - that a team could struggle for a period throughout a 7 year timeframe. If you demonstrate a trend of futility, fine. But even if this season ends up at 9-3 (or God forbid, 8-4), that is not a trend of futility. That is a demonstration of how challenging it is to replace coaches and NFL players on an annual basis and expect everything to go on perfectly. The only example that exists of this is Alabama, and they are on the greatest streak of dominance in the history of college football.

"Let's beat the shit out of Michigan. Have a good night." - UFM

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GrapeApe's picture

Hear, hear! Reading this board, one could be led to believe Ohio State will never win another game and would be better off quitting now

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